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On December 02 2016 02:16 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 02:04 emperorchampion wrote:On December 02 2016 01:36 mahrgell wrote:On December 02 2016 01:23 Tictock wrote:
Having internet issues at home so I'm better Nguyen forced to read and post via mobile. Means I won't be doing the filter dives of death and Shape that I wanted too.
Thinking about the game this morning I'm thinking the answer might be as easy as Shape/Ch8. Otherwise I have a hard time seeing what mafia was doing in the latter half of the day as NU became the lynch. Checkm8 is also reminding me a bit of foreman from last game, who was a newbie that rolled scum and gave up posting after a day when he realized he had no way to keep up.
It's possible Onegu is scum but his posts right after the lynch seem fairly towns to me actually. He was more happy about his own filter length than having caught scum. I feel like scum would feel more pressure to fake being happy about the lynch. LOL If this is true, there is the possibility the game ends in few hours. Nobody is killed, because scum fails to vote a kill. Instead Shlog and CM8 get modkilled for failing to post, after being already warned for failing to vote. Game ends, 0 town lost. Just thinking about this possibility kills my motivation to do my last 2 filter dives. -.- Let's not get ahead of our selves since there's a lot of tin-foil that could be out there. I am fully aware. But my last game, I died N1, but the game ended D2, because one scum went inactive and got modkilled, and the other one was an easylynch D2 without defending himself. I thought it can't be shorter. So I'm just tinfoiling a possibility how it can be shorter in this game. I don't think (and hope) this is gonna happen but while the idea is demotivating I still enjoy it, if you know what I mean :D
Last game I played mafia won easily, the two people who were universally most town were actually mafia.
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Reposting this top of page because i'm an attention whore
A few other points worth nothing:
I knew my vote on NU near the deadline wasn't going to get me town-cred either way, but I wanted to solidify the wagon so the vote couldn't be influenced by 3 non-voters coming back <30 min before deadline and doing shenanigans. Also voted for NU because that one post about "it's a great case, you're right :/" was so fucking different from the last game I played with town!NU that I was comfortable voting for him.
That response, especially given his flip leads me to believe one of two hypotheses: he intentionally tried to keep the only viable train on himself so at least one partner could gain much needed town-cred through EoD. This is ESPECIALLY true considering NU was the framer and it's 11v2 EoD1! You need to make sure at least one of your partners will not be cop checked for at least a few nights, so at least one of your partners needs to gain enough town-cred through your death that he will never be a cop check until D3/D4.
The other, more lazy, scenario is that both of his mafia partners were inactive EoD (e.g. Shapelog/Checkm8) and he didn't care enough to set up anything because of how shit his teammates were being.
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I said, I just enjoy tinfoiling  Or call it reverse tinfoiling. Lemme be, but let's drop this. This isn't getting us anywhere.
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@DF
You said you suspected TT at end of town, but now I don't see how he fits in your new scenarios... What do you make of him?
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On December 02 2016 02:20 darthfoley wrote:
Reposting this top of page because i'm an attention whore
A few other points worth nothing:
I knew my vote on NU near the deadline wasn't going to get me town-cred either way, but I wanted to solidify the wagon so the vote couldn't be influenced by 3 non-voters coming back <30 min before deadline and doing shenanigans. Also voted for NU because that one post about "it's a great case, you're right :/" was so fucking different from the last game I played with town!NU that I was comfortable voting for him.
That response, especially given his flip leads me to believe one of two hypotheses: he intentionally tried to keep the only viable train on himself so at least one partner could gain much needed town-cred through EoD. This is ESPECIALLY true considering NU was the framer and it's 11v2 EoD1! You need to make sure at least one of your partners will not be cop checked for at least a few nights, so at least one of your partners needs to gain enough town-cred through your death that he will never be a cop check until D3/D4.
The other, more lazy, scenario is that both of his mafia partners were inactive EoD (e.g. Shapelog/Checkm8) and he didn't care enough to set up anything because of how shit his teammates were being.
I think the first scenario is plausible. It's pretty much an admission of "bus me".
Scenario 2 I don't think makes sense. If both my partners were afk I would try twice as hard and spite lynch them, cause fuck it.
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On December 02 2016 02:22 mahrgell wrote:
@DF
You said you suspected TT at end of town, but now I don't see how he fits in your new scenarios... What do you make of him?
Well the biased part of me wants to town-read everyone who put pressure on me post-flip then backed off and gave me the benefit of the doubt based off of my posting style (including TT). I think it's a lot easier to keep putting pressure on me instead of backing off. He did a pretty even-handed analysis imo. However, there's so much time left in this day that mafia doesn't want to seem like they're coming to a conclusion this early so maybe this point is moot.
I need to sort out the mess between you, Rels, and HF for the time being. I agree that EC is almost certainly town and Koshi is still in my town pile. You also strike me as pretty town.
As of now, I think Shapelog is the obvious lynch, and i'm still confused why Checkm8 is still not in top 2/3 for lynches. The dude is literally MIA. Town points for TT as well for equating him to Foreman. The comparison is spot on, except that Foreman was a huge cock to people D1 while Checkm8 was doing his best not to ruffle any feathers.
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Darth I think you are pretty off base with this "NU tried to keep himself the only wagon so his buddy could get cred" most of what I saw from NU was legit trying to not get lynched.
Let's assume you are right for a moment though. Who do you think is the mafia on NU's wagon?
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On December 01 2016 06:51 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1 Vote Count![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/Ya5eRNQUcNGQ8/giphy.gif)
- emperorchampion (2) -
Onegu, Tictock, NeverUnlucky, Onegu
- LightningStrike (0) -
Onegu
- Koshi(0) -
Onegu
- Ticktock (0) -
Koshi
- Holyflare(1) - Rels,
Koshi
- sicklucker(0) -
NeverUnlucky
- NeverUnlucky(6) - emperorchampion, sicklucker,
Koshi, mahrgell, Koshi, Tictock, mahrgell, darthfoley
- mahrgell(0) -
Koshi
- Rels(1) - Holyflare,
mahrgell
Not voting (3): Shapelog, LightningStrike, Checkm8
Remember, voting is mandatory.
Day 1 will end in at Wednesday, Nov 30 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Currently, NeverUnlucky is slated to be lynched.
Only votes in the voting thread and with the correct format will be counted.
The vote didn't count my vote on NU. Was it really because I didn't bold it? Lol meh. I moved myself into the NU VC even though I wasn't technically there FYI, for clarity.
For right now, I'm thinking something like this? Checkm8 has been so bad with activity that idk. I have a very hard time seeing everyone on the NU train as town considering the next closest wagon had 2 votes.
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Another thing that I think puts TT into a townlean for me is that he's doing this town circle thing he did last game and using it quite a bit. Maybe this is too easy to replicate but the tone of it reminds me of the newbie game we just played
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United Kingdom30775 Posts
My lynch pool/order is:
Shape
Sl if shape is town, off list completely if mafia
Checkm8
Rels (confirmed town)
Onegu
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United Kingdom30775 Posts
Maybe rearrange a few.
Also thanks df your explanations were really good.
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United Kingdom30775 Posts
Oh yeh add ls to the bottom of the list too.
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On December 02 2016 02:37 Tictock wrote:
Darth I think you are pretty off base with this "NU tried to keep himself the only wagon so his buddy could get cred" most of what I saw from NU was legit trying to not get lynched.
Let's assume you are right for a moment though. Who do you think is the mafia on NU's wagon?
How is this trying legitimately to not get lynched? (in order)
On December 01 2016 00:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Koshi's case on me is great, but I'm town :/
On December 01 2016 03:14 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 03:11 darthfoley wrote:On December 01 2016 00:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Koshi's case on me is great, but I'm town :/ wtf who says this as town???? especially you of all people. last game if someone hinted that you might be mafia, you flipped shit. I understand you might not be motivated to play or something but that does not "normalize" this response from a player like you. like mahrgell or checkm8 would do this type of post but i can't see a world in which you just lie down and take it like this I flipped shit at Calix and Skynx because their cases on me were FUCKING GARBAGE and factually incorrect. This game I hinted that at emperor and LS's posts on me while trying not to be toxic, but Koshi's case on me makes sense. Yes, I am town, 100%.
On December 01 2016 04:04 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 04:04 Koshi wrote:
Well you will lose vs EC everyday. But fine. You can get lynched. I am 100% town.
On December 01 2016 04:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I have to go and can't be there before EoD. If I'm lynched, so be it, I didn't do my job of being town-read. Perhaps I really need to rely on other shit to be town-read. I'm VT fwiw. Good luck.
He doesn't post fuck all or try to get another train going. He doesn't give himself enough outs to jump on any of the other lynch trains. He just parrots over and over that he's town. WEAKSAUCE
On December 01 2016 04:10 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 04:08 darthfoley wrote:On December 01 2016 04:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 13:25 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 13:08 LightningStrike wrote:
EC I seen you made some posts on NU is your conclusion on him so far is that you think he's scum? That what I getting from your posts on him. Not ready to come to a conclusion like that atm, esp. since some of your posts have been suspect, and there is some friction there. Just someone to read more on. He wasn't ready to commit a read on me ESPECIALLY because he suspects LS???????????????? On November 30 2016 02:55 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 02:39 Shapelog wrote:On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote:
NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now. What has made NU town for you now? Also, you think LS is setting up to act like there is mafia between you and NU? For now he seems to understand why he's not mafia, albeit a little rudely, but I'll take it for now. Feels like it yeah. That's how he justifies his town read? How is that even an argument to town-read someone? It's also like he's saying that he tried to reaction-test me to see if I understand if I'm not mafia or something, it's fucking shady. On November 30 2016 03:38 emperorchampion wrote:
@Koshi:
1. Rels
2. Holyflare
4. Onegu
8. Checkm8
11. sicklucker
12. Tictock
Maybe only 1 of sl and c8? Waiting for c8 since I have something I'm curious about. All of those who were trolling/inactive are his scum-reads at the time. He can't take a stance on the more active players like his posts on me and this post show: + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2016 04:14 emperorchampion wrote:Not sure at the moment. Right now, seems to me like either misguided town, or devious mafia. More likely would be misguided town out of those to me. Could also be the case that NU is actually mafia, and he's on-track-town.That considered, doesn't presently look like a good lynch target to me. You want to go after him? Also, this last sentence sounds like something mafia would ask another mafia but that's pre-flip association. I'm voting EC. NU outside of emp where's your head? Does this mean you think TT is town? EC - SL - Mahr I liked TT's response to me asking to comment on if he is disconnected or not. It was transparent. I didn't particularly connect with the cases made against him.
EC, Mahrgell and SL???? REALLY? EC and mahrgell were town read pretty hard by everyone, and SL wasn't going to happen D1. These were terrible scum reads for the purpose of starting another actual wagon. Don't know how you think this is him actually trying to get out of a lynch. Seems very obvious to me that he was playing for the team.
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I'm really suspicious/tin foil about ls if anyone asks btw. Being blunt I'll find it really weird that he said nu vs ec was mvt but couldn't say why or name which one was which.
Then the slip thing. If he's right and town then he's playing very well, better than I've ever seen him tbh.
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On December 02 2016 02:46 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really suspicious/tin foil about ls if anyone asks btw. Being blunt I'll find it really weird that he said nu vs ec was mvt but couldn't say why or name which one was which.
Then the slip thing. If he's right and town then he's playing very well, better than I've ever seen him tbh.
I'm with you on that brother. Calling that out so early, not deciding which was which, and then NOT VOTING ON EITHER (he didn't vote for anyone the entire day) is fucking weird
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Post D1 mafia is so fun, love it
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The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally. That's literally the only way I can understand his EoD play
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On December 02 2016 02:45 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 04:10 NeverUnlucky wrote:On December 01 2016 04:08 darthfoley wrote:On December 01 2016 04:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 13:25 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 13:08 LightningStrike wrote:
EC I seen you made some posts on NU is your conclusion on him so far is that you think he's scum? That what I getting from your posts on him. Not ready to come to a conclusion like that atm, esp. since some of your posts have been suspect, and there is some friction there. Just someone to read more on. He wasn't ready to commit a read on me ESPECIALLY because he suspects LS???????????????? On November 30 2016 02:55 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 02:39 Shapelog wrote:On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote:
NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now. What has made NU town for you now? Also, you think LS is setting up to act like there is mafia between you and NU? For now he seems to understand why he's not mafia, albeit a little rudely, but I'll take it for now. Feels like it yeah. That's how he justifies his town read? How is that even an argument to town-read someone? It's also like he's saying that he tried to reaction-test me to see if I understand if I'm not mafia or something, it's fucking shady. On November 30 2016 03:38 emperorchampion wrote:
@Koshi:
1. Rels
2. Holyflare
4. Onegu
8. Checkm8
11. sicklucker
12. Tictock
Maybe only 1 of sl and c8? Waiting for c8 since I have something I'm curious about. All of those who were trolling/inactive are his scum-reads at the time. He can't take a stance on the more active players like his posts on me and this post show: + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2016 04:14 emperorchampion wrote:Not sure at the moment. Right now, seems to me like either misguided town, or devious mafia. More likely would be misguided town out of those to me. Could also be the case that NU is actually mafia, and he's on-track-town.That considered, doesn't presently look like a good lynch target to me. You want to go after him? Also, this last sentence sounds like something mafia would ask another mafia but that's pre-flip association. I'm voting EC. NU outside of emp where's your head? Does this mean you think TT is town? EC - SL - Mahr I liked TT's response to me asking to comment on if he is disconnected or not. It was transparent. I didn't particularly connect with the cases made against him. EC, Mahrgell and SL???? REALLY? EC and mahrgell were town read pretty hard by everyone, and SL wasn't going to happen D1. These were terrible scum reads for the purpose of starting another actual wagon. Don't know how you think this is him actually trying to get out of a lynch. Seems very obvious to me that he was playing for the team.
Not that I disagree with your general idea, but imho this part is factually incorrect.
At this point, I had still said, that EC was one of my scumreads, if NU is green. I actually lobbied for opinion for Emp vs EC from pretty much everyone. And I'm pretty sure to recall that Emp was distrusted by others too. Just the redflip made everyone hardtown Emp.
Similarly, myself. Just from my own feeling, I felt like I wasn't getting lynched anytime soon. (so same category as SL, I guess) But others may correct me, but I don't think I was close to top town on many lists.
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On December 02 2016 02:46 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really suspicious/tin foil about ls if anyone asks btw. Being blunt I'll find it really weird that he said nu vs ec was mvt but couldn't say why or name which one was which.
Then the slip thing. If he's right and town then he's playing very well, better than I've ever seen him tbh.
Okay the bolded is bullshit. I did say out of those two I thought it was NU I will give you the quote. Yes about the not voting looks bad on me I didn't think my test would last from 2 hours from EoD to EoD.
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On December 02 2016 02:40 Holyflare wrote:
My lynch pool/order is:
Shape
Sl if shape is town, off list completely if mafia
Checkm8
Rels (confirmed town)
Onegu
Really? What makes you think SL and Shape are never a team?
I think if Shape flips scum then that makes SL more likely to be scum. Granted that is largely based on the one weird town read Shape made on SL.
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