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On December 01 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:
You are crazy if you think NU / EC is mafia on mafia.
NU attacked LS and EC in a way they are most likely both town. (Trying to convince town in multiple posts)
The fake outrage on the sl push by NU is way more likely mafia on mafia. (He never really tried to convince people to vote sl, especially painfully obvious in that last quote. )
Actually, I don't feel NU tried to get town to lynch EC until the very end. On the other hand I didn't reread how EC pushed him so from this view it might be different.
I disagree on SL. That was at a point in his filter where NU had the liberty to chose any target. I think it's unlikely he went on a partner of his this hard over this little.
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@Koshi
so do you think Rels is bad town or does that make him scum?
Not sure where you are going here.
Like you lock SL to be scum, then do you think Rels is desperately trying to defend him here? Or do you just think he is doing terrible "reads"?
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@HF
Just update me, I get that you are on the "Rels is scum" train, but who else would you pick as second scum right now? Or who are the likely candidates for you?
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On December 01 2016 23:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:
You are crazy if you think NU / EC is mafia on mafia.
NU attacked LS and EC in a way they are most likely both town. (Trying to convince town in multiple posts)
The fake outrage on the sl push by NU is way more likely mafia on mafia. (He never really tried to convince people to vote sl, especially painfully obvious in that last quote. ) Actually, I don't feel NU tried to get town to lynch EC until the very end. On the other hand I didn't reread how EC pushed him so from this view it might be different. I disagree on SL. That was at a point in his filter where NU had the liberty to chose any target. I think it's unlikely he went on a partner of his this hard over this little.
Because that is why we lynched NU. As mafia he can't bring the fire he does as town. Ofc this also shows in the fact he can't get his scumreads lynched. BUT it is blatantly obvious he tried to "sell" the ls and ec scumreads to town.
While he didn't try to sell the sl read. It looks possible that he just made something on a scummate that wasn't really that impressive to start with. It was a good out of the box case on a scumbuddy.
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On December 01 2016 23:11 mahrgell wrote:
@Koshi
so do you think Rels is bad town or does that make him scum?
Not sure where you are going here.
Like you lock SL to be scum, then do you think Rels is desperately trying to defend him here? Or do you just think he is doing terrible "reads"?
I don't know. sl is not locked scum at all. It is possible Rels and cm8 are mafia for example. And then this "bad" analysis is because Rels is simply not looking for mafia.
I also dislike how he so easily in that analysis disregards or ignores everything else EC did. EC is almost never mafia just based on his posting. Even if NU flipped town I wouldn't call EC mafia.
But Rels thinks EC is mafia? Very weak.
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On December 01 2016 23:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:10 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:
You are crazy if you think NU / EC is mafia on mafia.
NU attacked LS and EC in a way they are most likely both town. (Trying to convince town in multiple posts)
The fake outrage on the sl push by NU is way more likely mafia on mafia. (He never really tried to convince people to vote sl, especially painfully obvious in that last quote. ) Actually, I don't feel NU tried to get town to lynch EC until the very end. On the other hand I didn't reread how EC pushed him so from this view it might be different. I disagree on SL. That was at a point in his filter where NU had the liberty to chose any target. I think it's unlikely he went on a partner of his this hard over this little. Because that is why we lynched NU. As mafia he can't bring the fire he does as town. Ofc this also shows in the fact he can't get his scumreads lynched. BUT it is blatantly obvious he tried to "sell" the ls and ec scumreads to town. While he didn't try to sell the sl read. It looks possible that he just made something on a scummate that wasn't really that impressive to start with. It was a good out of the box case on a scumbuddy.
Basically we agree that his treatment of SL and EC are quite different. But I think you're wrong deciding which is scummier and wihch is townier.
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I don't even agree with half of them.
His tt read could be anything since nu has seen tt do absolutely 0 things as town and die dunno about his mafia play.
His df read is just sheeping sentiment from other players, could easily be a partner (not likely based on df posts tonight).
Nu was in a shit spot from the start of the day and could have easily bussed sl to try and get out/distance
Pretty sure emp is town from play too, spew means nothing. I'm town I also barely played the game for nu to mention me.
Lack of mentioning doesn't mean partner either for shape (shape probably mafia for other reasons).
To me it looks like you've stretched this really thin to make it fit and forge content because nothing you have said is relevant since it came from a Mafia's filter whose whole gameplan is to misconstrue, mislead and lie. I'm pretty sure I've even coached NU and calix in a qt that bussing is good if you do it lightly and to interact a lot and give partners space after bussing.
Do something not nu filter related since koshi already did all this.
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On December 01 2016 23:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:15 Koshi wrote:On December 01 2016 23:10 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:
You are crazy if you think NU / EC is mafia on mafia.
NU attacked LS and EC in a way they are most likely both town. (Trying to convince town in multiple posts)
The fake outrage on the sl push by NU is way more likely mafia on mafia. (He never really tried to convince people to vote sl, especially painfully obvious in that last quote. ) Actually, I don't feel NU tried to get town to lynch EC until the very end. On the other hand I didn't reread how EC pushed him so from this view it might be different. I disagree on SL. That was at a point in his filter where NU had the liberty to chose any target. I think it's unlikely he went on a partner of his this hard over this little. Because that is why we lynched NU. As mafia he can't bring the fire he does as town. Ofc this also shows in the fact he can't get his scumreads lynched. BUT it is blatantly obvious he tried to "sell" the ls and ec scumreads to town. While he didn't try to sell the sl read. It looks possible that he just made something on a scummate that wasn't really that impressive to start with. It was a good out of the box case on a scumbuddy. Basically we agree that his treatment of SL and EC are quite different. But I think you're wrong deciding which is scummier and wihch is townier.
Well that is incomprehensible for me.
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At this point it seems like mafia can't grasp how townie EC looks.
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On December 01 2016 23:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:11 mahrgell wrote:
@Koshi
so do you think Rels is bad town or does that make him scum?
Not sure where you are going here.
Like you lock SL to be scum, then do you think Rels is desperately trying to defend him here? Or do you just think he is doing terrible "reads"? I don't know. sl is not locked scum at all. It is possible Rels and cm8 are mafia for example. And then this "bad" analysis is because Rels is simply not looking for mafia. I also dislike how he so easily in that analysis disregards or ignores everything else EC did. EC is almost never mafia just based on his posting. Even if NU flipped town I wouldn't call EC mafia. But Rels thinks EC is mafia? Very weak.
The bolded is wrong. I didn't plan to only focus on NU filter, I started to read his filter and started to make a post and finally it took all my time, and more actually. Good thing it's night time.
Also, nothing is bad in my analysis, these are not absolutes tells but I think they are all quite good.
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On December 01 2016 23:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:18 Koshi wrote:On December 01 2016 23:11 mahrgell wrote:
@Koshi
so do you think Rels is bad town or does that make him scum?
Not sure where you are going here.
Like you lock SL to be scum, then do you think Rels is desperately trying to defend him here? Or do you just think he is doing terrible "reads"? I don't know. sl is not locked scum at all. It is possible Rels and cm8 are mafia for example. And then this "bad" analysis is because Rels is simply not looking for mafia. I also dislike how he so easily in that analysis disregards or ignores everything else EC did. EC is almost never mafia just based on his posting. Even if NU flipped town I wouldn't call EC mafia. But Rels thinks EC is mafia? Very weak. The bolded is wrong. I didn't plan to only focus on NU filter, I started to read his filter and started to make a post and finally it took all my time, and more actually. Good thing it's night time. Also, nothing is bad in my analysis, these are not absolutes tells but I think they are all quite good.
about EC vs NU
You are clearly not reading the posts between them carefully enough. NU didn't have conversations with anybody xcept with EC, which means it came completely from EC his side. But the way EC kept asking questions to NU with an open mind and the way NU kept painfully defending against it shows that it was not Mafia vs Mafia.
That is almost 99% certain. Like... How can you even put EC at this point in the game as red....
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And I still didn't like how we had a conversation and NU didn't engage us at all. Makes me believe I was talking to a fellow mafia.
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About EC I really stand with Koshi.
And it confuses the hell out of me what Rels is arguing here. I should probably stop townreading people for making completely outlandish and weird reads... Soon I'm out of targets if I continue doing that. Unless its the axis of inactivity, shlog+cm8 (would be a shame and a waste of time ^.^)
@Rels
really, can you post some stuff not related to NUs filter... I don't feel like this is getting us anywhere right now.
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3. Shapelog
11. sicklucker
1. Rels
4. Onegu
8. Checkm8
2. Holyflare
6. darthfoley
12. Tictock
5. LightningStrike
10. emperorchampion
9. mahrgell
Punishing some inactivity.
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On December 01 2016 23:19 Holyflare wrote:
I don't even agree with half of them.
His tt read could be anything since nu has seen tt do absolutely 0 things as town and die dunno about his mafia play.
His df read is just sheeping sentiment from other players, could easily be a partner (not likely based on df posts tonight).
Nu was in a shit spot from the start of the day and could have easily bussed sl to try and get out/distance
Pretty sure emp is town from play too, spew means nothing. I'm town I also barely played the game for nu to mention me.
Lack of mentioning doesn't mean partner either for shape (shape probably mafia for other reasons).
To me it looks like you've stretched this really thin to make it fit and forge content because nothing you have said is relevant since it came from a Mafia's filter whose whole gameplan is to misconstrue, mislead and lie. I'm pretty sure I've even coached NU and calix in a qt that bussing is good if you do it lightly and to interact a lot and give partners space after bussing.
Do something not nu filter related since koshi already did all this.
- I do exactly what I want
- I didn't strech anything, I didn't even plan to make this post, I just had the idea after reading his filter
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On December 01 2016 23:32 mahrgell wrote:
About EC I really stand with Koshi.
And it confuses the hell out of me what Rels is arguing here. I should probably stop townreading people for making completely outlandish and weird reads... Soon I'm out of targets if I continue doing that. Unless its the axis of inactivity, shlog+cm8 (would be a shame and a waste of time ^.^)
@Rels
really, can you post some stuff not related to NUs filter... I don't feel like this is getting us anywhere right now.
Are you blind or did you miss the numerous times where I said I used all my time reading NU filter and reacting to it, and more things will have to come out later
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I will have a quick point about it. HF and marhgell in particular, you are very, very annoying to play with, regardless of your alignment. STOP asking me to do things. Marghell you don't know that, HF you do, I'm super active when I have time to play. In particular, calling me "bad town or scum" is making me want to fucking quit.
You don't agree with the things I've said ? Fine. You think I'm scum ? OK. Stop telling me to do things that you prefer me to be doing and stop being calling me bad or scum.
I know it's hypocritical 'cause I tend to do the same but I try to not do it when I catch myself doing it.
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Just read HF:
Is he always such a tunnel dweller? He spends the first 36 hours with nobody except me, then goes on with focusing on Rels entirely. There is like one comment on DF, and a 2 post conversation with Koshi in his filter.
All questions outside of that are blocked with excuses of him being too lazy to do that.
Like his entire play can be seen as a super tunnely townie, or a scum player who uses the tunnel excuse to never talk about anything else.
I guess he is on my Neut-pile too.
Gimme vig, and I will shoot him for his name butchery though.
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On December 01 2016 23:51 Rels wrote:
I will have a quick point about it. HF and marhgell in particular, you are very, very annoying to play with, regardless of your alignment. STOP asking me to do things. Marghell you don't know that, HF you do, I'm super active when I have time to play. In particular, calling me "bad town or scum" is making me want to fucking quit.
You don't agree with the things I've said ? Fine. You think I'm scum ? OK. Stop telling me to do things that you prefer me to be doing and stop being calling me bad or scum.
I know it's hypocritical 'cause I tend to do the same but I try to not do it when I catch myself doing it.
Okay, I will try. Sorry. Given my own rather emotional reactions to similar instances I can understand you here.
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On December 01 2016 23:54 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:51 Rels wrote:
I will have a quick point about it. HF and marhgell in particular, you are very, very annoying to play with, regardless of your alignment. STOP asking me to do things. Marghell you don't know that, HF you do, I'm super active when I have time to play. In particular, calling me "bad town or scum" is making me want to fucking quit.
You don't agree with the things I've said ? Fine. You think I'm scum ? OK. Stop telling me to do things that you prefer me to be doing and stop being calling me bad or scum.
I know it's hypocritical 'cause I tend to do the same but I try to not do it when I catch myself doing it. Okay, I will try. Sorry. Given my own rather emotional reactions to similar instances I can understand you here.
TY, sorry for the rant.
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