On October 20 2016 08:04 iamperfection wrote: im reporting whatever host came up with my ult.
Looking at my role for me to be effective i'm gonna need some heals.
I have been struggling to think of which is the best way to approach this game with the ultra complicated roles like this. Usually i think town goes to willy nilly with information in these types of games but since our roles seems so complicated i feel some coordination is going to be needed to kill some scum.
At least you got an ult -.- Are you radiant or dire? And I guess there are dire town as well as radiant scum, right? I liked Exo_s posts, but I don't necessarily know if claiming a healer is bad in this setup, since you might also somehow have to end up next to your heal-target on the list to actually heal. That might be hard without coordinating.
On October 20 2016 09:41 Bill Murray wrote: Plus we can see who is gonna read ... or at least how many aren't
I read your poll, but didn't vote. Does that screw things up?
me neither
But anyway, good morning. Most notable thing that happened is Iamperfection role fishing. He complains about his role needing healing. And then starts regarding about coordinating claims. So much angst about how to enter the thread he forgets that town way of killing scum is by lynching them. Scum are the ones that depend entirely on roles.
##unvote ##vote: Iamperfection
The WoS/ExO_ gives me a slight town read on Exo: scum reveal their revelations in scumchat. If he were scum and had uncovered a breadcrumb, he wouldn't be yelling so in the thread. It's also far less significant than he thinks. WoS could have been given any of the characters with a shadow (shaman, fiend, etc.) Or even wave (morphing). Still neutral on WoS: defense is not indicative of alignment.[/QUOTE] Or QoP
I agree with that, yes. Imo, he should just have stuck with his claim and it might have been useful to town (if he is town). Like this, it definitely doesn't help town. I'm not sure if your idea of him wanting to use the doctor claim late game really was his reasoning, but I fail to see a good reasoning anyhow.
On October 20 2016 11:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm honestly baffled anyone would think I'd come out and fully claim my role what, two hours into a heavily themed game with all sorts of shit flyin' around at any given moment?
I'm stunned speechless. Silent, even.
Claim dazzle --> You might not be mafia. Even though softclaiming a healer is extremely mafia behavior.
Yes, but might make sense with all other abilities and possible necessary coordination, that is not present in a regular game.
Claim anything else --> You are mafia.
which is what he did later
Atm I am going to think you are dazzle and you made this post to cover up your "stupidity".
what about where he started claiming "anything else"?
If I have to explain myself: Town!WoS sees his role have "wa
On October 20 2016 18:23 Koshi wrote: EBWOB (dnu why it posted it when I just alt tabbed):
Town!WoS sees his role have "wave of shadow" and happy as a child makes a post about it. Gets rekt by Exo and backtracks on his claim because he understands he made a mistake. Town!WoS clearly did not made the claim to bait scum shooting him. So being silly is the only acceptable explanation.
But back-tracking serves nothing here. If he is dazzle and town, we have some very powerful abilities that we can use for the good of town. And even then, if he fails to help town with them (like we say grave a town-read guy with low hp or sth.) we can still lynch him as mafia. Back-tracking just tries to take focus off of him for no reason imo.
On October 20 2016 18:47 Koshi wrote: Hmm I am going to lynch all people that fakeclaim or fake crumb as well. I can't have that shit. The game might be breakable on D3/4 if we mass claim. So people who fakeclaimed at that point will get instant lynched.
I have seen crumbs already. There is 0 reason to do it as town. Just shut up.
Also, try to crumb better than literally saying what your ulti is.
if you mean me: my in-game hero has an ult, it just got balanced out of this game
On October 20 2016 19:32 Lunaticman wrote: I just can't handle more of Koshi's platitudes. Obvious scum play as usual.
#Vote Koshi
100% of Lunatic's filter, and he's gone again. That's either huge disinterest or scummy.
This reads a lot like the newbie-game where he was scum and just stepped into the thread with an obvious town-read on stutters without anything to back it up tbh.
On October 21 2016 01:30 Dandel Ion wrote: lets talk ptmc's #544 (soz cant link atm just look it up bois it his last post) i thought it was fine at first but i like it less and less
basically repeats btdts content with something thats not exactly relevant to the situation but that looks like it is.
how is it not relevant to the situation? It's pretty much the exact same thing he did in the newbie-game, just that he chose to hard scum-read instead of hard town-read this time.
I have to say that Lunatics later posts both substantiated his scum read and gave some other reads, so he's off my lynch immediately pile. I still don't like Wave tho. Lots of filler, wrong mechanics discussion (that he at least acknowledges). Gonna check out his two scum reads now.
On October 21 2016 01:30 Dandel Ion wrote: lets talk ptmc's #544 (soz cant link atm just look it up bois it his last post) i thought it was fine at first but i like it less and less
basically repeats btdts content with something thats not exactly relevant to the situation but that looks like it is.
how is it not relevant to the situation? It's pretty much the exact same thing he did in the newbie-game, just that he chose to hard scum-read instead of hard town-read this time.
do you think koshi is 'obviously' mafia then? Better question, that he was obviously mafia at the time?
because what you're describing is following thread sentiment, and while the thread may have that sentiment now, it didn't at the time it was posted. (plenty people said they'd like to kill koshi on principle, not really because he's scum tho)
What does me thinking if Koshi is mafia have to do with it? At the time I did have him as a town lean, although he fell of at the end. Someone with meta-reads might make something more of it, but I can't.
On October 21 2016 01:30 Dandel Ion wrote: lets talk ptmc's #544 (soz cant link atm just look it up bois it his last post) i thought it was fine at first but i like it less and less
basically repeats btdts content with something thats not exactly relevant to the situation but that looks like it is.
how is it not relevant to the situation? It's pretty much the exact same thing he did in the newbie-game, just that he chose to hard scum-read instead of hard town-read this time.
do you think koshi is 'obviously' mafia then? Better question, that he was obviously mafia at the time?
because what you're describing is following thread sentiment, and while the thread may have that sentiment now, it didn't at the time it was posted. (plenty people said they'd like to kill koshi on principle, not really because he's scum tho)
What does me thinking if Koshi is mafia have to do with it? At the time I did have him as a town lean, although he fell of at the end. Someone with meta-reads might make something more of it, but I can't.
well if you didn't think so, and the thread didn't think so the read was hardly obvious was it
Which is exactly what I called Lunatic out for? Like I don't get what you are saying?
On October 21 2016 01:30 Dandel Ion wrote: lets talk ptmc's #544 (soz cant link atm just look it up bois it his last post) i thought it was fine at first but i like it less and less
basically repeats btdts content with something thats not exactly relevant to the situation but that looks like it is.
how is it not relevant to the situation? It's pretty much the exact same thing he did in the newbie-game, just that he chose to hard scum-read instead of hard town-read this time.
do you think koshi is 'obviously' mafia then? Better question, that he was obviously mafia at the time?
because what you're describing is following thread sentiment, and while the thread may have that sentiment now, it didn't at the time it was posted. (plenty people said they'd like to kill koshi on principle, not really because he's scum tho)
What does me thinking if Koshi is mafia have to do with it? At the time I did have him as a town lean, although he fell of at the end. Someone with meta-reads might make something more of it, but I can't.
well if you didn't think so, and the thread didn't think so the read was hardly obvious was it
Which is exactly what I called Lunatic out for? Like I don't get what you are saying?
This reads a lot like the newbie-game where he was scum and just stepped into the thread with an obvious town-read on stutters without anything to back it up tbh.
yes, instead of randomly town-reading he randomly scum-read. It doesn't make it the opposite tho.
On October 21 2016 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyone wanna lynch tolk?
Also Johannes what did you want before
its over
On October 21 2016 02:36 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:29 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:08 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 01:30 Dandel Ion wrote: lets talk ptmc's #544 (soz cant link atm just look it up bois it his last post) i thought it was fine at first but i like it less and less
basically repeats btdts content with something thats not exactly relevant to the situation but that looks like it is.
how is it not relevant to the situation? It's pretty much the exact same thing he did in the newbie-game, just that he chose to hard scum-read instead of hard town-read this time.
do you think koshi is 'obviously' mafia then? Better question, that he was obviously mafia at the time?
because what you're describing is following thread sentiment, and while the thread may have that sentiment now, it didn't at the time it was posted. (plenty people said they'd like to kill koshi on principle, not really because he's scum tho)
What does me thinking if Koshi is mafia have to do with it? At the time I did have him as a town lean, although he fell of at the end. Someone with meta-reads might make something more of it, but I can't.
well if you didn't think so, and the thread didn't think so the read was hardly obvious was it
Which is exactly what I called Lunatic out for? Like I don't get what you are saying?
no? the opposite:
This reads a lot like the newbie-game where he was scum and just stepped into the thread with an obvious town-read on stutters without anything to back it up tbh.
yes, instead of randomly town-reading he randomly scum-read. It doesn't make it the opposite tho.
....
please explain how his read on koshi was obvious if you leaned town on him. thanks.
If his read had been obvious it wouldn't have been something to call him out on. Am I not writing this clearly enough? He made a 100% obvious definitive read in the newbie-game in his first post without any reasoning. This is exactly how he started here. His read was not obvious to me, that is my whole point.
On October 21 2016 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyone wanna lynch tolk?
Also Johannes what did you want before
its over
On October 21 2016 02:36 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:29 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:08 ptmc wrote: [quote]
how is it not relevant to the situation? It's pretty much the exact same thing he did in the newbie-game, just that he chose to hard scum-read instead of hard town-read this time.
do you think koshi is 'obviously' mafia then? Better question, that he was obviously mafia at the time?
because what you're describing is following thread sentiment, and while the thread may have that sentiment now, it didn't at the time it was posted. (plenty people said they'd like to kill koshi on principle, not really because he's scum tho)
What does me thinking if Koshi is mafia have to do with it? At the time I did have him as a town lean, although he fell of at the end. Someone with meta-reads might make something more of it, but I can't.
well if you didn't think so, and the thread didn't think so the read was hardly obvious was it
Which is exactly what I called Lunatic out for? Like I don't get what you are saying?
no? the opposite:
This reads a lot like the newbie-game where he was scum and just stepped into the thread with an obvious town-read on stutters without anything to back it up tbh.
yes, instead of randomly town-reading he randomly scum-read. It doesn't make it the opposite tho.
....
please explain how his read on koshi was obvious if you leaned town on him. thanks.
If his read had been obvious it wouldn't have been something to call him out on. Am I not writing this clearly enough? He made a 100% obvious definitive read in the newbie-game in his first post without any reasoning. This is exactly how he started here. His read was not obvious to me, that is my whole point.
apparantly not because what i'm getting is 1) in response to someone suspecting lunatic, you say he "reads a lot like the newbie-game where he was scum" because he entered the thread with an obvious and unexplained read on a townie 2) i point out that that is a different situation because his read this game is not obvious (also not a TR). in fact the only similarity is that he doesnt explain it. It looks like you're likening a dude to his scum meta for shoddy reasons. 3) i actually have no idea what your response is supposed to be
1) Yes 2) His read in the previous game was also not obvious? Yes, it was a TR instead of a SR. 3) Lunatics SR was getting picked up on by btdt, and I added meta-reasoning to this initial suspicion.
let me explain the issue even further because it looks to be necessary:
His read was not obvious to me, that is my whole point.
spot the difference, and why i might think it's not exactly the same.
Ok, i see where your problem is. Quote one is paraphrasing his statement: he says that the person (here Koshi) is 100% something (here scum). Quote three is about mine (and others) sentiment, that this read is far from obvious.
Lunatic giving a 100% certain read without any reasoning doesn't help change that sentiment. That Koshi started posting like crap after Lunatic called him scum did, however I don't see a connection between the two.
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote: apparantly you're not the only one
at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean
Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.
Also ritoky is definitely mafia.
Yeh, pmtc or whatever his name is pretty on point. Lunatic's read on koshi was after everyone else started calling out koshi.
Lunatic's other reads are one liners that are throwaway comments despite making a post that only important things should be posted. Then he calls me town and mafia like to do that.
was it i thought it was before the serious swing
dropping it even more i guess
It was before. at least the way I read Koshi's posts. You're right, I should have put the "obvious" in quotation marks, so that it is clearer that the read was only obvious to Lunatic and to (basically) noone else. If you reread my post with the quotation marks, all my explaining here should also make a lot more sense. And if you look at the newbie game, his read there was also only "obvious" to him. Sorry for the confusion.
You are picking Holyflare over Lord Tolkien or Hopeless1der or beentheredonethat? I am supposed to be the insane one.
Yes. I actually didn't mind LT's single action so far and want to see more. H1der I don't really have a read on, but he has at least been around enough to ask questions of (at one point). You can say what you like about btdt, but he's not lurking. Convince us to lynch him if you think he's scum.
Holyflare is a great target for damaging. He has one shitty post with a throwaway reason for voting. He is a better player than that.
You see nothing wrong in claiming KP and claiming your target so early? Besides it being on the wrong person.
pretty sure everyone (or at least close) has basic KP so why not?
1) I didn't know that. 2) Openly claiming KP might let Mafia protect or stack on the person KP is claimed on. If I remember the scraps of the OP I read correctly, we won't get any information in regards to that. 3) If this claim is to make Holyflare post it's dumb. He's not around. Even if he was, he would most likely ignore it. It's not newb101 who's going to get baited.
i he keeps being afk and we attempt to policy kill a town HF mafia stacking kp on him is benificial to our goals (aka they won't) if he doesnt thats way better if hes mafia and they protect him somehow we can just lynch him
i dont see the downside tbh
if everyone just basic attacks a different guy we'll never get enough damage together to flip a guy
Thing is I remember there being doto heroes getting stronger through killing people. No idea if items exist or how they work, but we might also donate these to Mafia. You want to lynch him - fine, but as it stands he looks like a piss poor lynch.
Iamperfection claimed he needs heals to be effective. That reeks of Abaddon or Pudge. Pudge does also get stronger from kills. So maybe don't allow Iamp to kill shit until we are surer of his alignment.
look maybe i dont know shit about doto champs so i cant speak to that
but we can potentially have enough combined dmg to vig a scummy (or at least a useless) dude every night essentially if we do it right we get a bonus lynch per cycle that cant be that terrible im pretty sure it's better than some people getting some minor bonuses im pretty sure it's worth that one time we get screwed with, we can just do it all over again
worst case we end up lynching the scummies and shooting lurkers. you'll note that this worst case is not very bad. because i dont think it is.
unless you think theres something completely crazy that could happen but i actually think this game isn't going to be too wild, that's host wifom tho
Not being able to hit anybody who isn't next to you in the player list kinda puts a damper on that.
On October 21 2016 00:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Also iamp I can hit anyone I want so maybe melee/ranged is a thing?
PS before anyone starts on me, scum absolutely know all of this already.
I move in order to hit
I just thought some more about this, and what would happen if more than one melee guy hits the same target and so on. In the resolution it says that attacks are carried out before movement, so I figure that you always hit your designated target, regardless of where you two are in regards to each other. Then in the movement phase you are moved together, and if more than one melee guy attacks then the one closer to the top stays closer to the target.
You are picking Holyflare over Lord Tolkien or Hopeless1der or beentheredonethat? I am supposed to be the insane one.
Yes. I actually didn't mind LT's single action so far and want to see more. H1der I don't really have a read on, but he has at least been around enough to ask questions of (at one point). You can say what you like about btdt, but he's not lurking. Convince us to lynch him if you think he's scum.
Holyflare is a great target for damaging. He has one shitty post with a throwaway reason for voting. He is a better player than that.
You see nothing wrong in claiming KP and claiming your target so early? Besides it being on the wrong person.
pretty sure everyone (or at least close) has basic KP so why not?
1) I didn't know that. 2) Openly claiming KP might let Mafia protect or stack on the person KP is claimed on. If I remember the scraps of the OP I read correctly, we won't get any information in regards to that. 3) If this claim is to make Holyflare post it's dumb. He's not around. Even if he was, he would most likely ignore it. It's not newb101 who's going to get baited.
i he keeps being afk and we attempt to policy kill a town HF mafia stacking kp on him is benificial to our goals (aka they won't) if he doesnt thats way better if hes mafia and they protect him somehow we can just lynch him
i dont see the downside tbh
if everyone just basic attacks a different guy we'll never get enough damage together to flip a guy
Thing is I remember there being doto heroes getting stronger through killing people. No idea if items exist or how they work, but we might also donate these to Mafia. You want to lynch him - fine, but as it stands he looks like a piss poor lynch.
Iamperfection claimed he needs heals to be effective. That reeks of Abaddon or Pudge. Pudge does also get stronger from kills. So maybe don't allow Iamp to kill shit until we are surer of his alignment.
look maybe i dont know shit about doto champs so i cant speak to that
but we can potentially have enough combined dmg to vig a scummy (or at least a useless) dude every night essentially if we do it right we get a bonus lynch per cycle that cant be that terrible im pretty sure it's better than some people getting some minor bonuses im pretty sure it's worth that one time we get screwed with, we can just do it all over again
worst case we end up lynching the scummies and shooting lurkers. you'll note that this worst case is not very bad. because i dont think it is.
unless you think theres something completely crazy that could happen but i actually think this game isn't going to be too wild, that's host wifom tho
Not being able to hit anybody who isn't next to you in the player list kinda puts a damper on that.
On October 21 2016 00:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Also iamp I can hit anyone I want so maybe melee/ranged is a thing?
PS before anyone starts on me, scum absolutely know all of this already.
I move in order to hit
I just thought some more about this, and what would happen if more than one melee guy hits the same target and so on. In the resolution it says that attacks are carried out before movement, so I figure that you always hit your designated target, regardless of where you two are in regards to each other. Then in the movement phase you are moved together, and if more than one melee guy attacks then the one closer to the top stays closer to the target.
Hopeless' arguing feels town Exo prob town for his interaction with Wave Wave's arguing feels town Iam feels scum likes BM's post about Wave/Exo dislikes HF dislikes me for my post on Wave likes Acro dislikes Dandel's return on pg 23 as well as all his shitposting, but feels he has some good posts says it is normal to not like sicklucker
votes ritoky for meta-reads dislikes coordinated attacks dislikes sicklucker dislikes koshi for only town-reads and then going afk wary of wave, since he is only coasting dislikes the same post that ticktock likes by BM dislikes more posts by BM, but downgrades to a maybe mafia because he could just be retarded Thinks Skynx has a shit filter Thinks lunatics filter is scummy thinks i'm on point thinks ritoky hedges a lot dislikes that GB only placeholder-votes for ritoky dislikes ticktock for his general style and liking BM's post
needs a healer wants to coordinate slightly town on ritoky townreads hopeless, acro, wave, btdt thinks acro is bad tho thinks koshi could be town for tone dislikes HF's lack of activity, gets in argument with Kurumi about it dislikes Kurumis defense of HF and pushes for votes on him agrees with HF's assessment of BM
Lists all his reads, null: Tubesock, no interactions with the thread Acro, now has a bad feeling about his posts Kurumi, "nothing he does makes sense to me" Lunaticman, "I dont fucking now" BM, doesn't want to read his filter Holpess, ain't doing shit, no longer tr Ticktock, dislikes his post on BM, but waiting to see what he does me, I voted for him and now vote for Wave because he plays sub-optimally, I might be scum scum: GB: scum, doesn't do anything LT, lurker with only trash posts Skynx: doesn't try to lynch mafia Exo: unnatural tone, only talks about Wave, vote on Dandel lurker: Eversince, Vivax, Rels
Votes Exo, direkting KP towards Lurkers or GB
Wave calls iamp out for not having LT in his list, copies the same reason as he had in his list again Tries to get Exo out of his tunnel
claims Bloodseeker wants coordination HF leans town Acro is mafia (soul reading) dislikes GB not sold wave is town iamp is town, because he townread sl and hf now does not want to stack kp
Exo's post on Wave feels towny Dandel is only posting shit, votes him likes acros, dislikes Lunatics vote (disinterest or scummy) Koshi is wishy-washy, might be scum tries to keep the thread clean, towny tone scumleans dandel, but will not push him atm starts to push koshi instead votes koshi
calls Koshi scum for still only being reactive Sees even dandel trying to solve the game, but not koshi dislikes sicklucker dislikes iamp: not much content, soft koshi defense dandel sucks again sticks on Lunatic as well, no longer wants Wave dead, Iamp instead. Says BM's weird posts fit his meta back to disliking Wave for dodging questions
Calls out Wave for (fake) claiming Dazzle dislikes the way Wave follows up on his claim Dislikes how Dandel clutters the thread, changes vote to dandel slight town lean on ritoky
not a lot of variance in his filter, but I like that he sticks with his read. -> town lean
Koshi is "obviously" scum does not want to clutter the thread btdt gets a tone town read not sure on HF gets sr by HF, now HF is scum for defending Koshi
I wanted to sr him, but he makes good sense in his defense and provided arguments for his reads -> town lean
Likes Acro, Exo, Wave, not sure who to lynch dislikes Koshi, Hamazura, and vivax' inactivity unsure on GB, doesn't see why people scumread SL while also wanting to consolidate asks people for their reads might end up on me, tries to decide about Koshi hasn't had his eureka moment that gets him productive
Kurumi is trolling shitposts for days gut feeling on ritoky, one of him and hopeless will be mafia (but he could be wrong) Wave is probably scum, Exo put into words what BM was thinking dislikes Hopeless Town: iamp, exo, ritoky, kurumi, Dandel Scum: WoS, hopeless Wave has provided enough to unvote likes tubesock likes lunatic thinks koshi is genuine votes HF posts self meta as to why he is not mafia ticktock is mafia is fine with lynching kurumi for his weird defense of HF likes Ticktock
I dislike the self-meta stuff, his read progression makes little sense to me -> likely scum
joke-votes Skynx? votes Iamp for role-fishing slight tr on exo, null o Wave wants exo to stop tunneling, but wants to know why wave semi-claimed scum vibes of koshi -> koshi is town thread police is a role scum like to take -> btdt calls lunatic scum for his Koshi-vote calls HF scum for his ritoky-vote in the same vein He can't move on his own? Has claimed roshan unvotes iamp, because he wants to figure him out later Playing erratic is Kurumis thing?
List: Not liking Skynx, Tubesock, me, GB, Koshi, on the fence: Wave, iamp, btdt Town: Damdrel, Exo, Kurumi (good vibe)
Wants to ignore BM New list with Lunatic, GB, Hamazu, Tubesock as lynches, and Koshi and me -> Skynx missing LT is useless but he sympathises with LT's list
rereads Helpful, and thinks he is Scum for being a useless lurker still thinks i am a good lynch
Can you please look at BM? other than that, probably town
Koshi: starts with a town tone, gets way worse after #493 nothing actually noteworthy in his filter -> scumlean
Eversince: afk -> null
Kurumi: his posts are not really helpful, and i disagree a fair bit with his lists (if i even decipher them correctly). Posts #1009 and 1012 are decent tho. -> null/scum lean
likes dandel, dislikes hopeless because he was present and contributed nothing exo tentatively town Wave tentatively town likes that hopeless digs exo out of the tunnel also town HF, iamp, btdt (for activity), me, kurumi, dandel GB gets a scum lean for not fighting with HF gives two cases, for lunatic (not pushing Koshi hard enough as his scum read, his HF read is funky) and GB (no excitement)
omgus pushes ritoky, but puts him back to null after answers Charge of Darkness is very close to Wave of Shadow? dislikes Exo's push -> Vote Exo tries to get exo out of his tunnel
little meaningful content so far -> scum lean. Said he will play properly today
claims Techies reads iamp town because he is funny gets called out for shitposting by btdt thinks exo is scum I liked how he brought up my point on Lunatic, and the interaction we had after it dislikes Vivax
(disregarding his "claim" post) doubts Dandel is scum suspicious of btdt Acro and Kurumi are town lot of filler Hamazu gets townread wants to coordinate sicklucker reeks of scum, would lynch SL or btdt wants to make LT squirm scumreads me for voting for him
Still not sure about him, so my vote seems good still. What happened with SL or btdt being your lynches? -> scumlean
GB: HF and Acro might be town votes ritoky as placeholder
useless lurk -> scum lean
LT: wants to lynch people he hasn't played with before wants to kill Kurumi for emote spam
useless lurk -> scum lean
Now some of this has been outdated (started around page 61 i think), but that is where i am at right now
On October 21 2016 11:49 iamperfection wrote: Kurumi- i dont understand this kid. I dont like the way he plays i dont like his list i dont like the self post for no reason i dont even like his name. but on reread seems to be confident he wont be lynched post 1009 he might be trying to figure things out i guess. ill put as null and unvote. Noithing he does makes sense to me though.
Skynx- scum read. Posting stuff but does not seem in my view to be trying to kill mafia. Example post 868 throws some shade on me but does nothing with it.
ExO_- something about his tone just seems unatural to me. Post 368 for example does come across to me as genuine. Literally the only thing in his filter talks about wos and could be that thing were scum catch a mistake by town try to make it scummy and focus on it entirely. Post 420 is bad after some time brings nothing to the table and then later on just talks about wave again. votes for dandel but dosent seem interested in actually killing and talks about wave more
not like the content of the list or just that he posts lists?
i should read skynx filter im just writing this to remind myself
agreed on exo, hes like a btnd without the redeeming activity, but at least with less spamming. 'go down list of scumtells, push those scumtells, ignore everything else' bookkeepers, man
On October 21 2016 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Also iamp you are like...opposite to me on so many reads. I don't know why you think any of BTDT's activity makes him top town. He is literally playing the easiest way for a newer player to do so as either alignment, and that's the way you're 'supposed to.'
its the easiest way, but it's still more effort than most noob scums put into scummering. i'm kinda just sitting here waiting if he can keep it up. if he drops we can revisit him but until then im not really concerned. just annoyed.
On October 21 2016 11:49 Acrofales wrote: It's 4:30 AM and I'm awake because bed bugs wanted to eat me. I am angry and a bit delirious. Who wants to chat.
If tictock's stream of consciousness is real, he feels townie. Still deciding if real or clever scum-ploy.
post your spreadsheet
Is that allowed? I thought that got forbidden after Chrono trigger mafia.
do what i did
I have a list post. It's still mostly up to date.
I'd be happy with lynching any of the following:
Lunaticman Glowingbear Hazura Tako bell Tubesock
All for being useless lurkers.
Would also lynch
Koshi: abrasive, but useless. No reads of his own. No pressure Ptmc: blending
this sounds pretty good. ptmc coming in when called out, just defending himself, leaving. (sorry there was also a post purely about game mechanics) the defense itself was fine actually but i still dont like the whole package. i backed off to give him room to do his thing, and no thing was done feels bad man
This is my second game, i played in the last newbie game. The reads for low content could easily change, if good content comes from those players. Anything specific you disagree with?
On October 21 2016 20:02 Dandel Ion wrote: fucking ebwop
On October 21 2016 11:49 iamperfection wrote: Kurumi- i dont understand this kid. I dont like the way he plays i dont like his list i dont like the self post for no reason i dont even like his name. but on reread seems to be confident he wont be lynched post 1009 he might be trying to figure things out i guess. ill put as null and unvote. Noithing he does makes sense to me though.
Skynx- scum read. Posting stuff but does not seem in my view to be trying to kill mafia. Example post 868 throws some shade on me but does nothing with it.
ExO_- something about his tone just seems unatural to me. Post 368 for example does come across to me as genuine. Literally the only thing in his filter talks about wos and could be that thing were scum catch a mistake by town try to make it scummy and focus on it entirely. Post 420 is bad after some time brings nothing to the table and then later on just talks about wave again. votes for dandel but dosent seem interested in actually killing and talks about wave more
not like the content of the list or just that he posts lists?
i should read skynx filter im just writing this to remind myself
agreed on exo, hes like a btnd without the redeeming activity, but at least with less spamming. 'go down list of scumtells, push those scumtells, ignore everything else' bookkeepers, man
On October 21 2016 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Also iamp you are like...opposite to me on so many reads. I don't know why you think any of BTDT's activity makes him top town. He is literally playing the easiest way for a newer player to do so as either alignment, and that's the way you're 'supposed to.'
its the easiest way, but it's still more effort than most noob scums put into scummering. i'm kinda just sitting here waiting if he can keep it up. if he drops we can revisit him but until then im not really concerned. just annoyed.
On October 21 2016 11:59 iamperfection wrote:
On October 21 2016 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
On October 21 2016 11:51 iamperfection wrote:
On October 21 2016 11:49 Acrofales wrote: It's 4:30 AM and I'm awake because bed bugs wanted to eat me. I am angry and a bit delirious. Who wants to chat.
If tictock's stream of consciousness is real, he feels townie. Still deciding if real or clever scum-ploy.
post your spreadsheet
Is that allowed? I thought that got forbidden after Chrono trigger mafia.
do what i did
I have a list post. It's still mostly up to date.
I'd be happy with lynching any of the following:
Lunaticman Glowingbear Hazura Tako bell Tubesock
All for being useless lurkers.
Would also lynch
Koshi: abrasive, but useless. No reads of his own. No pressure Ptmc: blending
this sounds pretty good. ptmc coming in when called out, just defending himself, leaving. (sorry there was also a post purely about game mechanics) the defense itself was fine actually but i still dont like the whole package. i backed off to give him room to do his thing, and no thing was done feels bad man
On October 21 2016 14:13 GlowingBear wrote: I think Holyflare might be town because he thought ritoky might be mafia for the forced funny gifs
that's the part that made you feel town? uh ok.
Hey, i said i would do stuff today
im an impatient man
fair enough. Do you think Wave had tmi on his amount-of-mafia post?
Hopeless' arguing feels town Exo prob town for his interaction with Wave Wave's arguing feels town Iam feels scum likes BM's post about Wave/Exo dislikes HF dislikes me for my post on Wave likes Acro dislikes Dandel's return on pg 23 as well as all his shitposting, but feels he has some good posts says it is normal to not like sicklucker
votes ritoky for meta-reads dislikes coordinated attacks dislikes sicklucker dislikes koshi for only town-reads and then going afk wary of wave, since he is only coasting dislikes the same post that ticktock likes by BM dislikes more posts by BM, but downgrades to a maybe mafia because he could just be retarded Thinks Skynx has a shit filter Thinks lunatics filter is scummy thinks i'm on point thinks ritoky hedges a lot dislikes that GB only placeholder-votes for ritoky dislikes ticktock for his general style and liking BM's post
needs a healer wants to coordinate slightly town on ritoky townreads hopeless, acro, wave, btdt thinks acro is bad tho thinks koshi could be town for tone dislikes HF's lack of activity, gets in argument with Kurumi about it dislikes Kurumis defense of HF and pushes for votes on him agrees with HF's assessment of BM
Lists all his reads, null: Tubesock, no interactions with the thread Acro, now has a bad feeling about his posts Kurumi, "nothing he does makes sense to me" Lunaticman, "I dont fucking now" BM, doesn't want to read his filter Holpess, ain't doing shit, no longer tr Ticktock, dislikes his post on BM, but waiting to see what he does me, I voted for him and now vote for Wave because he plays sub-optimally, I might be scum scum: GB: scum, doesn't do anything LT, lurker with only trash posts Skynx: doesn't try to lynch mafia Exo: unnatural tone, only talks about Wave, vote on Dandel lurker: Eversince, Vivax, Rels
Votes Exo, direkting KP towards Lurkers or GB
Wave calls iamp out for not having LT in his list, copies the same reason as he had in his list again Tries to get Exo out of his tunnel
claims Bloodseeker wants coordination HF leans town Acro is mafia (soul reading) dislikes GB not sold wave is town iamp is town, because he townread sl and hf now does not want to stack kp
Exo's post on Wave feels towny Dandel is only posting shit, votes him likes acros, dislikes Lunatics vote (disinterest or scummy) Koshi is wishy-washy, might be scum tries to keep the thread clean, towny tone scumleans dandel, but will not push him atm starts to push koshi instead votes koshi
calls Koshi scum for still only being reactive Sees even dandel trying to solve the game, but not koshi dislikes sicklucker dislikes iamp: not much content, soft koshi defense dandel sucks again sticks on Lunatic as well, no longer wants Wave dead, Iamp instead. Says BM's weird posts fit his meta back to disliking Wave for dodging questions
Calls out Wave for (fake) claiming Dazzle dislikes the way Wave follows up on his claim Dislikes how Dandel clutters the thread, changes vote to dandel slight town lean on ritoky
not a lot of variance in his filter, but I like that he sticks with his read. -> town lean
Koshi is "obviously" scum does not want to clutter the thread btdt gets a tone town read not sure on HF gets sr by HF, now HF is scum for defending Koshi
I wanted to sr him, but he makes good sense in his defense and provided arguments for his reads -> town lean
Likes Acro, Exo, Wave, not sure who to lynch dislikes Koshi, Hamazura, and vivax' inactivity unsure on GB, doesn't see why people scumread SL while also wanting to consolidate asks people for their reads might end up on me, tries to decide about Koshi hasn't had his eureka moment that gets him productive
Kurumi is trolling shitposts for days gut feeling on ritoky, one of him and hopeless will be mafia (but he could be wrong) Wave is probably scum, Exo put into words what BM was thinking dislikes Hopeless Town: iamp, exo, ritoky, kurumi, Dandel Scum: WoS, hopeless Wave has provided enough to unvote likes tubesock likes lunatic thinks koshi is genuine votes HF posts self meta as to why he is not mafia ticktock is mafia is fine with lynching kurumi for his weird defense of HF likes Ticktock
I dislike the self-meta stuff, his read progression makes little sense to me -> likely scum
joke-votes Skynx? votes Iamp for role-fishing slight tr on exo, null o Wave wants exo to stop tunneling, but wants to know why wave semi-claimed scum vibes of koshi -> koshi is town thread police is a role scum like to take -> btdt calls lunatic scum for his Koshi-vote calls HF scum for his ritoky-vote in the same vein He can't move on his own? Has claimed roshan unvotes iamp, because he wants to figure him out later Playing erratic is Kurumis thing?
List: Not liking Skynx, Tubesock, me, GB, Koshi, on the fence: Wave, iamp, btdt Town: Damdrel, Exo, Kurumi (good vibe)
Wants to ignore BM New list with Lunatic, GB, Hamazu, Tubesock as lynches, and Koshi and me -> Skynx missing LT is useless but he sympathises with LT's list
rereads Helpful, and thinks he is Scum for being a useless lurker still thinks i am a good lynch
Can you please look at BM? other than that, probably town
Koshi: starts with a town tone, gets way worse after #493 nothing actually noteworthy in his filter -> scumlean
Eversince: afk -> null
Kurumi: his posts are not really helpful, and i disagree a fair bit with his lists (if i even decipher them correctly). Posts #1009 and 1012 are decent tho. -> null/scum lean
likes dandel, dislikes hopeless because he was present and contributed nothing exo tentatively town Wave tentatively town likes that hopeless digs exo out of the tunnel also town HF, iamp, btdt (for activity), me, kurumi, dandel GB gets a scum lean for not fighting with HF gives two cases, for lunatic (not pushing Koshi hard enough as his scum read, his HF read is funky) and GB (no excitement)
omgus pushes ritoky, but puts him back to null after answers Charge of Darkness is very close to Wave of Shadow? dislikes Exo's push -> Vote Exo tries to get exo out of his tunnel
little meaningful content so far -> scum lean. Said he will play properly today
claims Techies reads iamp town because he is funny gets called out for shitposting by btdt thinks exo is scum I liked how he brought up my point on Lunatic, and the interaction we had after it dislikes Vivax
(disregarding his "claim" post) doubts Dandel is scum suspicious of btdt Acro and Kurumi are town lot of filler Hamazu gets townread wants to coordinate sicklucker reeks of scum, would lynch SL or btdt wants to make LT squirm scumreads me for voting for him
Still not sure about him, so my vote seems good still. What happened with SL or btdt being your lynches? -> scumlean
GB: HF and Acro might be town votes ritoky as placeholder
useless lurk -> scum lean
LT: wants to lynch people he hasn't played with before wants to kill Kurumi for emote spam
useless lurk -> scum lean
Now some of this has been outdated (started around page 61 i think), but that is where i am at right now
The good: Seems like actual note-taking and effort went into reading the thread.
The bad: Waffly and wishy washy. There's no reason scum can't make list posts, and simply calling half the players "scum leans" is not very useful. Then again, half the players are scummy bastards, so hard to make much else of that. Voting for WoS seems meh. We're not gonna kill WoS today, so put in some effort on finding someone else. For instance, you could join me on the H1 train to scumlandia!
The ugly: DI claimed techies? Whut?
He claimed the LoL-analogue. I'd want to wait to see if hopeless stays hopeless or if he actually starts playing like he promised. If he doesn't, he's definitely high on the chopping block for actually being in the thread without actually contributing.
Are you not still on the fence for Wave? Or did that change lately? I don't feel like his push on me was based on much more than "omg he voted me", which is pretty terrible.
Hopeless' arguing feels town Exo prob town for his interaction with Wave Wave's arguing feels town Iam feels scum likes BM's post about Wave/Exo dislikes HF dislikes me for my post on Wave likes Acro dislikes Dandel's return on pg 23 as well as all his shitposting, but feels he has some good posts says it is normal to not like sicklucker
votes ritoky for meta-reads dislikes coordinated attacks dislikes sicklucker dislikes koshi for only town-reads and then going afk wary of wave, since he is only coasting dislikes the same post that ticktock likes by BM dislikes more posts by BM, but downgrades to a maybe mafia because he could just be retarded Thinks Skynx has a shit filter Thinks lunatics filter is scummy thinks i'm on point thinks ritoky hedges a lot dislikes that GB only placeholder-votes for ritoky dislikes ticktock for his general style and liking BM's post
needs a healer wants to coordinate slightly town on ritoky townreads hopeless, acro, wave, btdt thinks acro is bad tho thinks koshi could be town for tone dislikes HF's lack of activity, gets in argument with Kurumi about it dislikes Kurumis defense of HF and pushes for votes on him agrees with HF's assessment of BM
Lists all his reads, null: Tubesock, no interactions with the thread Acro, now has a bad feeling about his posts Kurumi, "nothing he does makes sense to me" Lunaticman, "I dont fucking now" BM, doesn't want to read his filter Holpess, ain't doing shit, no longer tr Ticktock, dislikes his post on BM, but waiting to see what he does me, I voted for him and now vote for Wave because he plays sub-optimally, I might be scum scum: GB: scum, doesn't do anything LT, lurker with only trash posts Skynx: doesn't try to lynch mafia Exo: unnatural tone, only talks about Wave, vote on Dandel lurker: Eversince, Vivax, Rels
Votes Exo, direkting KP towards Lurkers or GB
Wave calls iamp out for not having LT in his list, copies the same reason as he had in his list again Tries to get Exo out of his tunnel
claims Bloodseeker wants coordination HF leans town Acro is mafia (soul reading) dislikes GB not sold wave is town iamp is town, because he townread sl and hf now does not want to stack kp
Exo's post on Wave feels towny Dandel is only posting shit, votes him likes acros, dislikes Lunatics vote (disinterest or scummy) Koshi is wishy-washy, might be scum tries to keep the thread clean, towny tone scumleans dandel, but will not push him atm starts to push koshi instead votes koshi
calls Koshi scum for still only being reactive Sees even dandel trying to solve the game, but not koshi dislikes sicklucker dislikes iamp: not much content, soft koshi defense dandel sucks again sticks on Lunatic as well, no longer wants Wave dead, Iamp instead. Says BM's weird posts fit his meta back to disliking Wave for dodging questions
Calls out Wave for (fake) claiming Dazzle dislikes the way Wave follows up on his claim Dislikes how Dandel clutters the thread, changes vote to dandel slight town lean on ritoky
not a lot of variance in his filter, but I like that he sticks with his read. -> town lean
Koshi is "obviously" scum does not want to clutter the thread btdt gets a tone town read not sure on HF gets sr by HF, now HF is scum for defending Koshi
I wanted to sr him, but he makes good sense in his defense and provided arguments for his reads -> town lean
Likes Acro, Exo, Wave, not sure who to lynch dislikes Koshi, Hamazura, and vivax' inactivity unsure on GB, doesn't see why people scumread SL while also wanting to consolidate asks people for their reads might end up on me, tries to decide about Koshi hasn't had his eureka moment that gets him productive
Kurumi is trolling shitposts for days gut feeling on ritoky, one of him and hopeless will be mafia (but he could be wrong) Wave is probably scum, Exo put into words what BM was thinking dislikes Hopeless Town: iamp, exo, ritoky, kurumi, Dandel Scum: WoS, hopeless Wave has provided enough to unvote likes tubesock likes lunatic thinks koshi is genuine votes HF posts self meta as to why he is not mafia ticktock is mafia is fine with lynching kurumi for his weird defense of HF likes Ticktock
I dislike the self-meta stuff, his read progression makes little sense to me -> likely scum
joke-votes Skynx? votes Iamp for role-fishing slight tr on exo, null o Wave wants exo to stop tunneling, but wants to know why wave semi-claimed scum vibes of koshi -> koshi is town thread police is a role scum like to take -> btdt calls lunatic scum for his Koshi-vote calls HF scum for his ritoky-vote in the same vein He can't move on his own? Has claimed roshan unvotes iamp, because he wants to figure him out later Playing erratic is Kurumis thing?
List: Not liking Skynx, Tubesock, me, GB, Koshi, on the fence: Wave, iamp, btdt Town: Damdrel, Exo, Kurumi (good vibe)
Wants to ignore BM New list with Lunatic, GB, Hamazu, Tubesock as lynches, and Koshi and me -> Skynx missing LT is useless but he sympathises with LT's list
rereads Helpful, and thinks he is Scum for being a useless lurker still thinks i am a good lynch
Can you please look at BM? other than that, probably town
Koshi: starts with a town tone, gets way worse after #493 nothing actually noteworthy in his filter -> scumlean
Eversince: afk -> null
Kurumi: his posts are not really helpful, and i disagree a fair bit with his lists (if i even decipher them correctly). Posts #1009 and 1012 are decent tho. -> null/scum lean
likes dandel, dislikes hopeless because he was present and contributed nothing exo tentatively town Wave tentatively town likes that hopeless digs exo out of the tunnel also town HF, iamp, btdt (for activity), me, kurumi, dandel GB gets a scum lean for not fighting with HF gives two cases, for lunatic (not pushing Koshi hard enough as his scum read, his HF read is funky) and GB (no excitement)
omgus pushes ritoky, but puts him back to null after answers Charge of Darkness is very close to Wave of Shadow? dislikes Exo's push -> Vote Exo tries to get exo out of his tunnel
little meaningful content so far -> scum lean. Said he will play properly today
claims Techies reads iamp town because he is funny gets called out for shitposting by btdt thinks exo is scum I liked how he brought up my point on Lunatic, and the interaction we had after it dislikes Vivax
(disregarding his "claim" post) doubts Dandel is scum suspicious of btdt Acro and Kurumi are town lot of filler Hamazu gets townread wants to coordinate sicklucker reeks of scum, would lynch SL or btdt wants to make LT squirm scumreads me for voting for him
Still not sure about him, so my vote seems good still. What happened with SL or btdt being your lynches? -> scumlean
GB: HF and Acro might be town votes ritoky as placeholder
useless lurk -> scum lean
LT: wants to lynch people he hasn't played with before wants to kill Kurumi for emote spam
useless lurk -> scum lean
Now some of this has been outdated (started around page 61 i think), but that is where i am at right now
Who do you want to kill I can't tell from this post
Currently Wave. I can handily settle for BM or hopeless, if hopeless doesn't keep his promise to start playing. The others would be borderline policy lynches, but from best lynch to worst: Tube > Koshi > Hamazu > LT > Vivax = Rels = GB
On October 21 2016 22:58 Hopeless1der wrote: I should be in and out most of today.
Acro's case is on me is quite lulzy...and cherry picks a pretty small filter. Could you just...not sheep that terrible excuse of a case? Multiple people have expressed doubt about the case itself, and its relevance since I am notorious for living up to my name.
I dont like ptmc recently setting me up for a lynch that he can easily back off of by saying "oh look, hopeless is posting, not lynching anymore" regardless of how good/bad my content actually is.
Going to check up on Koshi meta in a bit.
I don't care if you post. If you post good stuff I dont want to vote you, if you keep posting bad stuff (and Wave keeps on having no votes) I will vote you.
Koshi also moves closer to my lynch-block for not providing content. I also like the guys on his train.
On October 21 2016 23:23 Tubesock wrote: Vivax has done this a few times. Posts just enough to not get modkilled. Then the next game he's town he plays again.
Can you give an example? I looked at HM3, where he posted a lot more actively than here.
On October 21 2016 20:01 beentheredonethat wrote: I skimmed the last 20 pages, and before I go offline again, I wanted to bring up Koshi again. My case still stands and he disappeared. He's playing exactly like he did in the last 3 games where he was scum.
This is actually a blatant lie. So annoying.
Will lunatic correct this lie? He knows I played super active in the Palmar Themed Game.
On October 21 2016 23:24 ptmc wrote: are you dire or radiant iamp?
Why do you want to know?
I have healing targeting specifically one of them, and i would like to know if you are among them. If you don't want to tell me i'll just have to try at some point.
On October 21 2016 23:24 ptmc wrote: are you dire or radiant iamp?
Why do you want to know?
I have healing targeting specifically one of them, and i would like to know if you are among them. If you don't want to tell me i'll just have to try at some point.
That seems odd. But if your town and your heal only works on one faction it then would be possible scum have stuff that works like that as well. I would heal your top town regardless. if it's me and it works great. I will say I am almost positive I'm taking dmg in fact I guarantee it.
You would additionally have to move a bit tho. Can you be between #12 and #17 tonight? I'll try to be here at deadline, but it will be tight. maybe the last 30 mins.
On October 21 2016 23:24 ptmc wrote: are you dire or radiant iamp?
Why do you want to know?
I have healing targeting specifically one of them, and i would like to know if you are among them. If you don't want to tell me i'll just have to try at some point.
That seems odd. But if your town and your heal only works on one faction it then would be possible scum have stuff that works like that as well. I would heal your top town regardless. if it's me and it works great. I will say I am almost positive I'm taking dmg in fact I guarantee it.
You would additionally have to move a bit tho. Can you be between #12 and #17 tonight? I'll try to be here at deadline, but it will be tight. maybe the last 30 mins.
I ain't moving I believe
Ok. Should things get desperate with your health we can figure something out.
I'll be here for a very limited time only over the whole weekend, maybe some more this evening. I attacked BM and it appears to haev gone through. Has Wave done anything towny lately? And why do we dislike HF?
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote: apparantly you're not the only one
at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean
Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.
Also ritoky is definitely mafia.
Yeh, pmtc or whatever his name is pretty on point. Lunatic's read on koshi was after everyone else started calling out koshi.
Lunatic's other reads are one liners that are throwaway comments despite making a post that only important things should be posted. Then he calls me town and mafia like to do that.
Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around.
On October 21 2016 09:22 WaveofShadow wrote: If you're referring to the plan to stack KP, I still think that needs to happen, and I will push for it as best I can. I think the worry about a potential PGO/bus driver/whatever/etc is silly.
In fact, I'm going to propose three town!KP targets right now that I suggest everyone with KP stack on (that doesn't have another ability they plan on using this phase).
Lord Tolkien sicklucker Glowingbear.
Stack your KPs on one of those three. I don't see a point in KPing the straight up non-posters because they will be replaced.
What about tictock and the other one avoiding mod kill with 1 single post
Ticktock is playing now. It's barely over 24h in, he didn't just 'avoid modkill.'
I don't want to shoot into modkill potentials because they're more likely to be replaced this early. If it becomes a problem we can kill them going forward.
On October 21 2016 13:00 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm sorry I legitimately couldn't help it.
Let's be real for a second here. You are being asked to do anything, anything to make yourself more useful than you have been, and somehow that's just not possible for you because you're just stuck on this one thing?
It's a little ridiculous if you think about it.
Face the fact that you're not getting what you want, and move on. I'm more than willing to have a little chat, but not for much longer 'cause its getting late.
On October 22 2016 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Hopeless. I have been a host, and having your game and hard work ruined because of mod confirms and shit like that SUCKS. I don't want to do it to Onegu and co. If you promise me to drop this shit I will answer you and only then.
On October 20 2016 11:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm honestly baffled anyone would think I'd come out and fully claim my role what, two hours into a heavily themed game with all sorts of shit flyin' around at any given moment?
I'm stunned speechless. Silent, even.
So then you were literally just trolling with:
On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.
Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k?
You've contributed literally nothing to the thread then. I've noticed after this post and after me pointing out you're claiming dazzle you start throwing out all sorts of other hints towards other heroes trying to backaway from the idea that you were claiming.
I think you were attempting to fake claim a doctor role. And instead of trying to have a discussion with me you just keep posting trolly stuff. My conclusion from this is you are probably scum trying to fake claim, to what end though I'm not sure
On October 21 2016 02:06 Holyflare wrote: Wave do you think my summation of your play is wrong? You've not really done anything.
I never suggested it was wrong. Is there a problem?
On October 21 2016 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Part of me wishes I had enough time to attempt to care more about this game and attempt to take control of things because there is zero direction in this thread
And then I remember I've played like 2 games in 2 years for very good reason
On October 21 2016 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Part of me wishes I had enough time to attempt to care more about this game and attempt to take control of things because there is zero direction in this thread
And then I remember I've played like 2 games in 2 years for very good reason
Carry on everybody
If you had the will to direct the thread to look more closely at say....4 people, at a glance who would those 4 people be?
Hey HF, is this a scum post?
Could you just answer it? This feels like you're scum, knowing that ritoky and HF are town, and you want to start a fire.
Ugh this is so baaaaad Stop making posts like this
On October 21 2016 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Part of me wishes I had enough time to attempt to care more about this game and attempt to take control of things because there is zero direction in this thread
And then I remember I've played like 2 games in 2 years for very good reason
Carry on everybody
If you had the will to direct the thread to look more closely at say....4 people, at a glance who would those 4 people be?
Hey HF, is this a scum post?
I don't indulge crappy games. Ritoky drops townreads has no real drive to lynch people properly, hedges at every point and asks questions with no real follow up and doesn't seemingly care about answers. No gifs still either.
Lynch plz.
And yet a call to engage a seemingly disinterested waveofshadow to pay attention to the game?
Fuck your meta right in the ear, good sir, because for now I'm not voting him.
Will you be around later? Like...3h ish? I want to engage with someone fun.
On October 21 2016 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Part of me wishes I had enough time to attempt to care more about this game and attempt to take control of things because there is zero direction in this thread
And then I remember I've played like 2 games in 2 years for very good reason
Carry on everybody
If you had the will to direct the thread to look more closely at say....4 people, at a glance who would those 4 people be?
Hey HF, is this a scum post?
I don't indulge crappy games. Ritoky drops townreads has no real drive to lynch people properly, hedges at every point and asks questions with no real follow up and doesn't seemingly care about answers. No gifs still either.
Lynch plz.
And yet a call to engage a seemingly disinterested waveofshadow to pay attention to the game?
Fuck your meta right in the ear, good sir, because for now I'm not voting him.
Will you be around later? Like...3h ish? I want to engage with someone fun.
It's 90% in game posts wtf are you talking about?
Aren't you calling him scum based on how different from usual his gifs and tryahrdiness and shit is? Or am I misunderstanding?
Also Kurumi why am I a cow now and not a king?
Can I be the cow king?
Mooooooooooo
Posts by Wave that i have reasons to scum-read him for:
On October 21 2016 12:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Also why is pmtc's vote still on me? Where has he even been? Did he park his vote at an opportune time and leave? gotta check
Why are you that afraid of a vote?
On October 21 2016 20:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Lynch the above
I post a (imo decent) reads list that also explains my vote on you further, why is this the reaction?
On October 21 2016 21:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol ptmc you should count your scum team there
This looks like tmi to me, but even if not, why limit my scum leans to the (presumed) amount of scum in the game?
On October 22 2016 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm cool to lynch vivax and/or koshi tomorrow, but at some point I guess I'll come up with some ideas of my own maybe?
So now all your previous ideas are wrong? What happened to LT and GB?
On October 22 2016 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh I get it, the ninja. Yes. Well.
Um I dunno, let's chat a while. It's how I do my best work (when I do any)
Important things to look at: is there anything to be learned from EoD stuff? Who were people on, who switched to whom, when, and why?
On October 22 2016 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh I get it, the ninja. Yes. Well.
Um I dunno, let's chat a while. It's how I do my best work (when I do any)
Important things to look at: is there anything to be learned from EoD stuff? Who were people on, who switched to whom, when, and why?
We should sift through that.
My problem is that I believe koshi more town than mafia, so the wagons are meaningless to me. The EoD stuff is therefore useless for me to analyze. I dislike HF, lunatic and acro atm. I'd like to lynch Lunatic next, and I'd like to shoot acro most atm. Notwithstanding his rosh claim early on, he basically lied about his availability and showed up to complain about a) we didnt lynch vivax and b) kp speculation type stuff.
Acro is at least posting readable content. I don't think it's an amazing idea to shoot into someone like that when we have Glowingbear, for example.
And so what if you believe koshi is more town than mafia? Do you believe Vivax is scum? If so you should probably be interested in how his train got derailed. If you think everyone under pressure was town in some way, then maybe it's in your best interested to see who spread their votes around?
On October 23 2016 02:18 Acrofales wrote: Ok, been going over the damage and the claims. Biggest discrepancies so far:
Sicklucker claims he can RB AND do a basic attack. I was told I have one action per phase, and basic attacks are actions, so I call bullshit.
WoS didn't take enough damage. Claims 16 dmg. HF claims he hit for 5, LT claims 10, sicklucker claims unknown amount.
ExO_ claims he hit Koshi, but he cannot have moved to Koshi. In fact, he cannot have moved anywhere except to me.
Acro took too much damage. I took 7 dmg. Nobody claims an attack.
Koshi didn't take enough damage. Claims 12 dmg. btdt claims he did 8. ExO_ claims unknown amount (4?).
GB didn't take enough damage. Claims 6 dmg. Iamperfection claims > 6. Koshi claims 7. ritoky claims he tried, but was roleblocked.
ptmc claims he hit BM. He cannot have moved to BM, and can only have hit Hamazooka (host error is possible, because if ptmc moved to where BM was BEFORE his move, then it all works)
Questions: @ExO_: how much do you hit for? Someone could have redirected you to me. Not sure why, but we'll figure that out later. @ptmc: can you ask the hosts if they processed your move correctly?
Will work on reads post and it will be up before just before resolution. I am around for chats.
If you are looking for a target to shoot at tonight, I highly recommend, in order of importance:
Vivax. Kill with fire Koshi. Disruptive scummy dirtbag. Skynx. 100% trash filter, and seriously flying under the radar. H1der. Scum until I say otherwise. LT. Lurker. GB. Lurker. HF. Haven't figured out the TT train yet, and while the case seems sincere (if just plain wrong), there is something off about him. Artanis. Lurker.
That should do it for now.
I don't think you know that damage is processed before movement, and movement from the bottom up? I'm where I expect myself to be after attacking BM and BM attacking Ticktock, which he claimed.
On October 22 2016 21:22 Lord Tolkien wrote: I was on my commute and posted more zzzz.
Btw mods, if you could move EOD back 1 hr that would be nice and convenient for me.
Also, wave. He says "dandel has my axe", fucks off, then comes back to make his (non-)vote on me instead of following dandel OR CONSOLIDATING ON AN ACTUAL WAGON like he couldve by looking at vote tallies for 15 seconds in the vote thread.
Either scum or super derpy and I dont know which, but he has a giant filter that mostly does nothing tbh.
I'll be at a Renn Fair rest of night phase/today so dont expect too many more updates this phase.
Holy fucking shit, a post by LT that isn't crap and that i can mostly agree on? I'll have to reread the whole game if this continues.
On October 23 2016 02:18 Acrofales wrote: Ok, been going over the damage and the claims. Biggest discrepancies so far:
Sicklucker claims he can RB AND do a basic attack. I was told I have one action per phase, and basic attacks are actions, so I call bullshit.
WoS didn't take enough damage. Claims 16 dmg. HF claims he hit for 5, LT claims 10, sicklucker claims unknown amount.
ExO_ claims he hit Koshi, but he cannot have moved to Koshi. In fact, he cannot have moved anywhere except to me.
Acro took too much damage. I took 7 dmg. Nobody claims an attack.
Koshi didn't take enough damage. Claims 12 dmg. btdt claims he did 8. ExO_ claims unknown amount (4?).
GB didn't take enough damage. Claims 6 dmg. Iamperfection claims > 6. Koshi claims 7. ritoky claims he tried, but was roleblocked.
ptmc claims he hit BM. He cannot have moved to BM, and can only have hit Hamazooka (host error is possible, because if ptmc moved to where BM was BEFORE his move, then it all works)
Questions: @ExO_: how much do you hit for? Someone could have redirected you to me. Not sure why, but we'll figure that out later. @ptmc: can you ask the hosts if they processed your move correctly?
Will work on reads post and it will be up before just before resolution. I am around for chats.
If you are looking for a target to shoot at tonight, I highly recommend, in order of importance:
Vivax. Kill with fire Koshi. Disruptive scummy dirtbag. Skynx. 100% trash filter, and seriously flying under the radar. H1der. Scum until I say otherwise. LT. Lurker. GB. Lurker. HF. Haven't figured out the TT train yet, and while the case seems sincere (if just plain wrong), there is something off about him. Artanis. Lurker.
That should do it for now.
I don't think you know that damage is processed before movement, and movement from the bottom up? I'm where I expect myself to be after attacking BM and BM attacking Ticktock, which he claimed.
Oh derp. I was resolving movement from top to bottom. Will have to redo my spreadsheet.
First on the list moves and attacks, then next one on the line etc. thats how i did it aswell.
On October 22 2016 21:22 Lord Tolkien wrote: I was on my commute and posted more zzzz.
Btw mods, if you could move EOD back 1 hr that would be nice and convenient for me.
Also, wave. He says "dandel has my axe", fucks off, then comes back to make his (non-)vote on me instead of following dandel OR CONSOLIDATING ON AN ACTUAL WAGON like he couldve by looking at vote tallies for 15 seconds in the vote thread.
Either scum or super derpy and I dont know which, but he has a giant filter that mostly does nothing tbh.
I'll be at a Renn Fair rest of night phase/today so dont expect too many more updates this phase.
Holy fucking shit, a post by LT that isn't crap and that i can mostly agree on? I'll have to reread the whole game if this continues.
I already explained this. Also Im pretty sure everyone I called scum this game immediately called me scum back.
Tolk, SL, ptmc, Btdt. Like clockwork
It's like the twilight zone
why is ptmc mafia?
He's not anymore. I thought he was earlier in the game which set him off.
You started to scumread me for my vote on you, so its pretty hard to see how I sr you for sring me. Literally the opposite. And i guess you ignore my questions for some decent reason?
I attacked BM again, but I'm starting to feel bad about it. Him fucking up his skills two times in a row just doesn't it my image of mafia. That's about all for me for today, gonna have more time for D2 tomorrow.
On October 24 2016 22:13 Dandel Ion wrote: every lurker is scum until they prove otherwise
I agree. I don't feel strongly for a Skynx-Lynch (only read his filter, did I miss a case?) Lunatic however is still only a weird tunneling lurker, which would be a fine second lynch.
On October 24 2016 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok so hamazura has done legit fucking nothing. I think due to weird 'newbie-to-the-site' statements and questions he's more likely to be town but he got just be one of those tricksy little hobbitses who knows to make himself look like that. Hard to say for sure. I'd say pick him off at night or with KP but again, there are better targets I think.
Overall town really needs to step it up I think or we just lose to ourselves. Of all the people consistently under suspicion:
LT GB Hamazura Exo SL Tubesock Lunatic and so on and so forth
If you are town,if you do not want to lose, pick up the slack and prove to us you're town.
Wave, there's a huge problem in people's suspucions on me: their suspicions are based on me being useless. It is right that effort is a town trait, but lack of effort isn't, per se, a scum trait.
You're basically calling scum every lurker.
I don't get your Iamp argument. What if he has skills that (so far) have not been useful to choose? Or he has not been certain enough to pick a strong ability, instead picking on you bit by bit so that you start playing?
On October 24 2016 22:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: @those scumreading Luna please take a look at Lunatic's last game as mafia here. It's very short and doesn't really look like this one imo.
I don't think we really can compare that game to anything due to him being almost 100% scumread by a majority in the thread after his first post. I even got similar vibes of how he started here, so i don't think (that game) can clear him via meta. Anything else we are missing?
On October 23 2016 21:03 sicklucker wrote: Also I recieved damage last night. (not alot very little acualy) but it was weird because I recieved it during the night stage and not the day. anyone wanna claim that damage?
Why is receiving damage in the night weird?
On October 24 2016 06:58 sicklucker wrote: ok great my first reactions to you were you were scum mostly because of hf things. but ill play nice for now. I dont evenm really have a town circle since you morons killed on my of my town reads day 1
Im like pretty sure bill and ptmc are town like 90%. Then I have no clue really just alot of scummy people. Im going to kill some people tomorrow and it will be glorious. I think everyone's reads are bad and alot of the scum are in the active group
Why do you think BM is town?
Other than those two posts and him being sceptical of Koshi i think his filter is fine.
On October 21 2016 03:24 sicklucker wrote: koshi will never role mafia when im town. so hes clear 100%
On October 22 2016 05:48 sicklucker wrote: the thing going against koshi while I didnt read his posts is that hes roled mafia alot lately so if he got town I would expect him to be into it. so ya hes probably way better then ticktock ill vote him if I have too
On October 22 2016 05:57 sicklucker wrote: koshi littteraly gives no fucks... I expect a fight
--- EOD1. Makes sense, since TT was a solid TR of SL
On October 22 2016 08:29 sicklucker wrote: Koshi was pissing people off and didnt really care about the game. Kind of somewhat standard koshi but he rolled mafia 3 or so games inarow so I would have expected him to try as town in a fun game like this.
this is also how he was when I played against him in star wars minus the pissing people off part, but I haven't played against him in awhile, still good to know.
i mean ya his play is not out of his town range (EXCEPT HIM NOT EVEN TRYING AT DEADLINE WHEN HE WAS A WAGON)
The more I think on it. Hes just rolled mafia again and does not want to try. Its a double edged sword because I would also expect him to try when he has not rolled town in awile
On October 23 2016 13:26 sicklucker wrote: well if koshi is scum hes doing everything a scum should do at the bottom of the barrel. trying to get votes/kp off him
On October 23 2016 13:26 sicklucker wrote: well if koshi is scum hes doing everything a scum should do at the bottom of the barrel. trying to get votes/kp off him
sure, but he's also promised a double lynch, I'm willing to give him a cycle to produce it before he enters auto-lynch territory like vivax. Granted, I'm a little more lenient since I think hes town but nonetheless, he either gives us our double lynch or he gets killed himself.
a second lynch barely favors town tho. infact its completely null
On October 23 2016 13:35 Hopeless1der wrote: do you fundamentally misunderstand how this game works SL? /ignore before i give myself an aneurism
of course I do. you do know if he has that abilty and we lynch a mafai with it he can just choose not to use it
and then we lynch him next...like wtf are you even arguing here?
??? no because we wont know if koshis double lynched didnt work because the target or mafia or if koshi was lying all along because him stalling is also the correct mafia play
On October 23 2016 13:47 sicklucker wrote: like if koshi claims a double lynch and that double lynch does not go through we do not know the alignment of that said person you retard. Because koshi can do it both to save a team mate if he really has the ability or he could completely make up this ability to get kp and lynches off of him onto other towns.
im allowed to say retard because you called me a retard
On October 24 2016 00:09 Koshi wrote: I like how there are so many people calling a double lynch not pro-town and how many people need to know the specifics. Well if my double lynch doesn't go through it is 85% on you all.
No I am not backtracking.
But stop asking dumb shit and just make a second BIG wagon.
its not that a double lynch wouldnt be pro town. its that we kind of have to trust you
like this it makes sense (to me). We just have some trust issues with you, is all.
On October 23 2016 08:22 sicklucker wrote: no but really im bloodseeker I can check your hp
Well if no townie attacked me it must have been mafia.
well then if no one claims it I suggest we dont lynch you so I can check your claim. Like the bloodseeker in dota 2 I can only see your hp if its below a certain threshold tho
Maybe Koshi doesn't answer further since his HP are still too high?
On October 23 2016 13:27 sicklucker wrote: also i brought up my ability to detect his hp but when I did that he dropped. also makes no sense for scum to target him so hes scum
So there are town targetting him without claiming? why?
On October 23 2016 04:26 ritoky wrote: btdt you probably don't want to hear this from a washed up salty dog like me, but if you're town; 2 pieces of advice for future games: 1) posts that list every player are less beneficial than posts that focus hard in on a few and 2) generally speaking don't post glowing town reads during night phase, you only put targets on people/help mafia.
nevertheless, what do you think about my scumreads?
i think you're wrong on hamamuratacobellchalupa but my reason is awful. i realize he has done literal stone nothing, but the suggesting a jester thing as a new player (i think) to this site just seems like such a dumb town tell to me.
the rest of your hard scum reads are very bland and thread sentimenty to me. you said nothing i felt was a keen observation or original that made me think they were more scum or you were more town.
plus you insulted me, and i shed a tear.
That strikes me as odd. Let me explain:
First of all, you brought your argument of a dumbtell on taco bell before already. I know that, so you're not adding anything new. Which is fine as I didn't raise anything new either but I wished that my scumread would make you re-read and reconsider. You chose to hard defend taco bell so you should be interested in doing a bit more than just dropping the same thing again, right?
Then, you say I'd follow thread sentiment. Except I was the one who started the Koshi wagon and pushed for it over the course of day 1. Going with Vivax isn't thread sentimenty as it's objectivally a good thing to lynch him. Same applies to Lunatic. Keep in mind that the goal of listing my scumreads is not to make myself town but instead raise awareness and get others to pursue those guys, too. You're not doing that, you're reading my list only in the context of beentheredonethat's alignment. Why do you focus so hard on me?
It's not directly scummy to do that, yeah, but I think there are plenty of people to talk about. If you choose to try to read me, then ask questions, read my filter or whatever, but don't sacrifice my reads. I actually want to talk about my reads. Please do so .
1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments.
2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you.
i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many.
Do you have any examples of other games, where you caught scum on one detail with none believing you? And do you have other such moments in this game except for Hamazus dumb-tell?
On October 25 2016 01:36 beentheredonethat wrote: So, last 10 minutes for me before I'm off to Volleyball. Training ends at ~10.15/10.30pm so maybe I'll make it in time to deadline. Will be around shortly before or after 11pm.
I don't feel good at believing Koshi's claim. I want to explain my stance on this a bit more before I depart and I ask you guys to carefully consider if you are believing the claim or not.
Contra
1. It was an easy claim. There is no way that a role would counterclaim what Koshi claimed. Given it's a themed game and we do not know which roles are in besides the flipped ones and our own roles, there is absolutely no problem for Koshi to fake claim a double lynch ability.
2. Day and Night 1 Day 1 and Night 1 Koshi was absolutely scummy. At no point he tried to solve the game. His replies under pressure were full of bragging, derailing, and not even close to a serious discussion that would even remotely imply he is town. He has been scumread all game and the reasons for that read are absolutely solid. Besides the claim, there absolutely no reason to not scumread Koshi. His "cases" he put up are salty, WIFOM and bad. There is absolutely no effort that could be interpreted as townie besides the claim.
3. Ability volatility From what Koshi said, he has an ability to make two lynches flip within one day. First of all, reading my own abilities (which fully resolve around HP mechanics and in no way about anything else, yes, that's as close to a VT claim as it gets in this game) makes me feel really uncertain about that kind of ability being town-aligned.
Worst case: two town wagons flip. Medium case: one scum, one town flips. Best case: two scums flip.
I'm not good at math but given the likely scum to town distribution, I think the worst case is way more likely than the best case. This ability will become good in certain scenarios, agreed - but it is such a potential game changer that I don't think hosts will put this ability into the game. Although, if I'm really honest here, if that ability is indeed part of the game then it will most likely be a town ability as scum would be safe and sound to use that ability.
4. Koshi is not today's lynch Which makes his rage hard to believe. Koshi should know he's not going to be the lynch today. He should know that we're all rather calm players that are willing to reconsider if we are given solid stuff to work with. He's however not even trying to go down the reasonable road, although I explicitely offered him the opportunity to do so by asking him to calm down, leave the thread, return with solid reads, analysis and simply more town behaviour. Keep in mind he still hasn't dropped a solid read list that we could work with if he flipped town at any point. There's literally nothing of value in Koshi's filter that we could work with if he flipped town. A worthless Lunatic push is the best he could do thus far.
Pro
1. Most likely, town ability As written above, I do not think that hosts would put that ability in the hands of mafia. That would be really imbalanced, basically allowing mafia to mislynch two people at once. Given we all have attacks and are likely to kill each other that would be really, really tough to deal with.
2. Koshi's rage over the day Although I talked about that at the contra section already, I think there's also the possibility that this is town rage and genuine. Early Koshi felt lackluster, not really caring, and I thought this is highly indicative of his scum style of the previous 3 games of which 2 I hosted. In none of those games I have seen Koshi rage that hard when being under pressure. On the other hand, in none of these games was Koshi as much under pressure as he is right now.
Those are the cons and pros that I can come up with at this point. For my judgement, this is not enough pro to believe the claim. This is why I would like you guys to only start a second wagon that was started by a more or less townread person. I would suggest taco bell hamazuro guy to be the second wagon. Yes, there's a chance he might be replaced or modkilled - but as ritoky said, we can't be sure of that. We should definitely go for the people that are not playing the game at all, as others already mentioned, and I think that guy is a good target. Why not Lunatic or Skynx? Lunatic is the easy target. He's doing not much. But the thing is that Koshi has been pushing him a lot. So either it's bussing, starting from D1, or scum!Koshi trying to direct one more mislynch, or town!Koshi vs. whatever Lunatic, I don't care. Either way, we should re-evaluate Lunatic once Koshi has flipped. Koshi will flip (or not) depending on what's happening at this very deadline. This is why I wouldn't choose Lunatic for today's second wagon, although he's worth a lynch, vig shot, or simply stacked damage after all.
Skynx on the other hand is actually every now and again trying to play the game. I have him as a scumread but I really need to reevaluate his filter, I haven't done so yet, so a full day cycle is currently missing in my read of Skynx. Also, note how Koshi voted him, then switched to Lunatic.
(Also, look at Artanis, who was scumread by HF (confirmed town) and voted with Koshi on Skynx and on Lunatic, which can be coincidence, but it worries me. Talking more about Artanis: his thoughts over the day feel reasonable and I tend to actually like what he's writing. However his push on GlowingBear in the context of Lunatic, Skynx, and Vivax being the lynches today, it feels empty. Pressuring GB when town is on other persons with a single vote won't work. It's also very safe to go for GB as scum since GB is not playing the game, low hanging fruits and shit, easy target to appear pushy but stay under the radar).
Also, still, someone should evaluate NocturneMage's filter! There must be a reason why he was killed N1 shortly after having replaced in.
Contra 1: We'll see in some hours if it was a legit claim? It's not like an uncontested doc claim that can save you in lylo or sth. Contra 2: Koshi also claimed that his ability gets weaker over time. And it is very possible that such a strong ability only got unlocked today, so he played sub-par to not get killed by mafia as a strong townie. Contra 3: if it's not part of the game, why push for it? Vivax was more than likely the kill today, so it's not like he is saving himself with a fake claim. Contra 4: see Contra 2 again, maybe it will be too weak to kill people D3, so he is under pressure to get it off today?
I'd rather flip Luna than Vivax tho, since the chance of mafia is about equal in them and Luna at least has some interaction with people. And regarding SL: I have a ridiculous anti town ability and my heal can easily be anti town as well (especially now that i'm not even allowed to coordinate it). I'm just running around like a melee creep tickling people. I can see how that would be too boring tho.
And Wave is still in my scum pile, so I can even agree on the target.
On October 25 2016 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Koshi, I did not attack you.
Also, if no one claims their AA on me I'll have to presume it came from scum.
Well. I did not do 5 damage to you. My basic damage is 7 btw, which I claimed before, of course this could be fake but come on... Does anybody has an attack that is 5? Or lower?
I have, but my other abilities make up for it. Oh, wait! my ult was balanced out, and people can just void votes. wtf. I need a break, be back later.
On October 25 2016 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Koshi, I did not attack you.
Also, if no one claims their AA on me I'll have to presume it came from scum.
Well. I did not do 5 damage to you. My basic damage is 7 btw, which I claimed before, of course this could be fake but come on... Does anybody has an attack that is 5? Or lower?
So I got so much damage and nobody from town claims it. I have a feeling I got the ulti from Wynter Wyvern on me and Artanis and iamp attacked me or something.
How much damage did you 2 do last night? Could it be over 35 together?
I have a basic attack of 4. I have a powerful attack ability and I have attacked you three times now. I claimed that. I said I townread you because I wasn't roleblocked at all and I bought your rage.
Mafia wouldn't do a no-lynch if Koshi hadn't claimed his ability. That means Vivax and Lunatic are scum. Else it would make NO sense for scum to save Vivax as he will be lynched/shot anyways.
Either Vivax and Lunatic are scum and the no-lynch should make us kill Koshi OR Koshi is scum, Vivax/Luna alignment is not sure and Scum wasted a no-lynch to save what, an inactive Scum!Vivax?
I don't think so. To me, Luna and Vivax are as close to confirmed scum as it gets, and Koshi is as close to confirmed town as it gets.
Sicklucker's play doesn't make sense as scum IMHO.
We should attack the fuck out of Vivax and Luna and I really want town to coordinate attacks. I will attack Lunatic. Sicklucker, ptmc, WoS, please do so, too, with the maximum attack damage you have. Dandel, iamp, Acro, please attack Vivax. Artanis, you too. At this point, I am considering Ritoky to be scum. Not enough activity, and he's popping up every now and then to not fall into afk category, and his posts imply that he's actively reading the thread.
imo a no-lynch ability will get used on cooldown. It is just too powerful. Anything else is just wifom. It also probably means we have D3 to lynch the no-lynch-guy, since it will probably be off cooldown D4. Happy fun times.
Winter Wyvern freezes an enemy in place while striking those nearby with a maddening curse which causes them to attack their frozen ally with increased attack speed. The frozen ally and those cursed to attack their ally are immune to all damage from their enemies.
On October 25 2016 19:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I'm confused. You think I hit you, am lying about it but also think I'm town? wut?
Exactly. Too many inconsistencies in Koshi's claims. Kill with fire.
there is literally no inconsistency in it.
Acro, ptmc, as you stay on a hard Koshi scumread, please elaborate in a big case post which we can evaluate. I am not able to put the work in right now as I'm on lunch break at work - and I'd really like to see where exactly there is inconsistency.
Koshi, please put in the work and summarize in a clean and readable and insult-free post what exactly your passive is, who attacked you and claimed to have received 5 damage, and let me know why you were so shit D1.
Please, Koshi, if you're town, don't refuse this.
I'm not scum-reading Koshi? I think he is more likely town but about to die soon. I also really dislike either acros posts or his reading comprehension.
On October 25 2016 19:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I'm confused. You think I hit you, am lying about it but also think I'm town? wut?
Exactly. Too many inconsistencies in Koshi's claims. Kill with fire.
there is literally no inconsistency in it.
Acro, ptmc, as you stay on a hard Koshi scumread, please elaborate in a big case post which we can evaluate. I am not able to put the work in right now as I'm on lunch break at work - and I'd really like to see where exactly there is inconsistency.
Koshi, please put in the work and summarize in a clean and readable and insult-free post what exactly your passive is, who attacked you and claimed to have received 5 damage, and let me know why you were so shit D1.
Please, Koshi, if you're town, don't refuse this.
I'm not scum-reading Koshi? I think he is more likely town but about to die soon. I also really dislike either acros posts or his reading comprehension.
Bad reading comprehension on my part. I read "There's literally no consistency in it". But you wrote "There's literally no inconsistency in it". My bad.
The Acro/Koshi interaction doesn't feel weird to you? I can not see where Acro's posts are coming from, except trying to paint Koshi in a bad light.
On October 26 2016 01:14 beentheredonethat wrote: So, main wagon is Tictock. Fine. Second wagon is Koshi, assumed town!Koshi.
That makes a total of 7 votes that are outside of the main wagons, not committing to anything. People voting outside of wagons are: Hamazura, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, Kurumi, WaveOfShadow, ptmc, ExO_, Glowingbear.
The thing is that we have literally 1, and only one confirmed town on the Tictock wagon. The other kill was a replacement that did not vote.
ptmc, why did you stay on WoS during D1? Kurumi, WoS, why did you vote Lord Tolkien at that time? ExO_, why did you vote Dandel and rode it through although it was not happening? GB, why ritoky? Why not a main wagon? HamazuraXTakitsubo, why did you leave your vote on Lunaticman?
Sadly, only ptmc and maybe WoS will probably answer those questions as the rest is afk, not interested, or scum.
I was too late to make a reasonable switch. I came in with like 5-10 mins maximum, and that was not enough time to convince me of killing TT (one of my solid TR's) or Koshi. Since it didn't matter much for the final votes, I just stuck to what I knew, which was that Wave felt scummy.
On October 26 2016 01:22 sicklucker wrote: also it looks like this 5 dmg thing was a mafia aoe attack. (no town has claimed it. I did not recieve damage like koshi says because I didnt attack him)
This means the people who are in the area are most likely town. bill wos me art iamp? and should be offlimits today and a scum claim if you attack them
A lot of attacks are 5 dmg, i think. But coupled with this:
On October 26 2016 01:50 sicklucker wrote: someone really needs to keep an pudated track of playerlist movements on a single page with what date it changed for situations like this. town points~
we could maybe make something happen. I'll work on it tomorrow if it isn't done by then. And shit was i ever salty today. People in my office even asked if everything was ok.
BM -> sicklucker ptmc -> lunatic sl -> vivax seem to be the only movements?
I attacked Luna, yes.
On October 26 2016 06:37 disformation wrote:
Starting Day 3 the following ability becomes available: Track Using his elevated senses of sight and smell, Gondar's hits have quite a good chance of success. Track target player. This can be roleblocked, but not redirected. Cooldown - One phase. I.e. if you use this ability you can't use it the next phase. It becomes available again the phase after the next. Please submit a PM to the main host account as: ##Track: disformation
On October 26 2016 09:18 iamperfection wrote: if koshi can still use his thing i have no problem putting gb in the second slot. GB has already taken damage
Yes he has.
Yesterday was just a no-lynch, right? If it was vote-rigger we risk that shit happening again, no? They won't be able to use a no lynch ability twice (or if they can I just quit right now), but a vote-rigger in theory could mess us up again? Actually probably not because even if they took away votes or nullified some or whatever it still wouldn't have cause a no lynch. I'm going to assume we're safe and Koshi's ability, if true, is safe as well.
has to be cool-down or it be a one off on that shit so it shouldnt matter find out if koshi is lying or kill 2 scum right
One-off abilities don't fit doto.
On October 26 2016 15:49 ExO_ wrote: The first thing I notice is this. On day 1 we had:
Not voted (4): Tictock, Rels, Eversince, WaveofShadow
It looks like Vivax is about to be owned. Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) and resolves one hour later, at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
HF came in and voted TT, and then you have iamp, Tubesock, Dandel, Ritoky all within 5 minutes of each other. This made him the lead wagon at 7 votes, with lunatic man being 2nd closest at 3. Tubesock then bails for Koshi, a few other random votes happen, before BM/Koshi/bndt all come in to seal the deal.
On day 2 Vivax was basically a lock, before lunatic started really picking up some steam. TS says some really interesting things in this time period:
On October 25 2016 02:48 Tubesock wrote: I don't think Lunatic is mafia. But I don't have any solid reasons. Mostly I didn't like the wagon yesterday.
##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax ##Vote: Skynx
On October 25 2016 03:39 Tubesock wrote: I think Luna is town. I won't vote for him. Looking through his filter, I tried to gather his reads.
Towns: beentheredonethat 1 of Koshi/Artanis (and only because of dead HF) I think that's it.
Scums: HolyFlare Koshi (if not Koshi then Artanis[Xp] and 100% sheep of HF)
I don't know Lunaticman. Never played with him. But if he is mafia, is he lunatic enough to tunnel hard on 2 strong willed players? Like right out the gate. He immediately votes Koshi, then still within the first 12 hours or so of the game he starts on HF. And Never leaves either of them the ENTIRE time. He's still on Koshi. Mafia or town, going headstrong on HF kinda means you just may die. Lunaticman attacks and goes after him.
He doesn't veer off from them. WHich i think is towny too. I know when I start thinking strongly that someone is mafia, I get more obstinate. It pretty much dominates my conversation if no one is listening or agreeing. There was shade on HF when he wasn't playing. Then he did and everyone thought he was town (otherwise why follow his TT case?). Lunatic still scum'd him till HF died. He had perfect opportunity to town HF and get off HF's bad side and still look good for going up against him. But town doesn't do that.
I spoiled a few of his posts but not all. The ones I skipped either were repeats of earlier posts (like HF is scum for making him appear bad) etc.
I think his main crime isn't putting in 12 hours a day here and only giving 5 player reads. Maybe a bit defensive but I've seen worse from town.
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote: apparantly you're not the only one
at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean
Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.
Also ritoky is definitely mafia.
That is some shady accusations without any reasons and I beg to differ greatly. I have been on point, I think you are trying to undermine my credibility. Typical mafia play.
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote: apparantly you're not the only one
at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean
Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.
Also ritoky is definitely mafia.
Yeh, pmtc or whatever his name is pretty on point. Lunatic's read on koshi was after everyone else started calling out koshi.
Lunatic's other reads are one liners that are throwaway comments despite making a post that only important things should be posted. Then he calls me town and mafia like to do that.
Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around.
On October 21 2016 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote: Holyflare, you've been in a game scum with Koshi and town with Koshi. Please skim his filter and tell me if you also think he's scum.
On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote: Oh I forgot about Luna
hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah?
I didn't buss anyone.
What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF?
I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.
So omgus?
haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc.
Skynx (list post struck me as wrong but can't place finger on it) Lunaticman (crap tunnel based on nothing followed by nothing) ExO_ (why) Kurumi Vivax Koshi GlowingBear WaveofShadow
Null:
Bill Murray (said atrocious things all game but some hidden le gems)
Artanis (maybe up to scummy soon)
Btdt (artanis making me hesitant but deadline stuff was scummy)
Hamazura (need more)
Acrofales (not read at all but i don't think towny whenever read what he says)
ritoky (i think he tried to pocket me with gb/luna read but playing too stiff maybe move to scummy)
Lord Tolkien (hesitant to remove but probably should based on dmg on wave)
Tubesock (zzzz?)
HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi.
You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation.
For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing.
A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not.
On October 22 2016 18:54 Holyflare wrote: I also literally just told you how the wagon formed, it was me. I also talked about btdt's actioms at deadline whicj you just undermined for no reason.
You're all talk and no substance.
Chill, maybe I was a bit vague.
I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not.
For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader.
Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective.
The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose.
On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote: There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3
On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote: Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die.
The really interesting thing here is these posts are about 50 minutes apart. Instead of seeing something then drawing a conclusion based on what he saw, TS first drew the conclusion that lunaticman is town, then found the evidence to back it up.
I find TS highly suspicious.He hops off the Vivax wagon (after being the first to vote him), and then he hops off the TT wagon day 1 as soon as it got a majority. He defends lunaticman as the lunatic wagon is gaining steam on day 2. And then surprise No lynch on day 2. I think this heavily implicates Tubesock. I could see Lunaticman being either scum or town here. It makes a lot more sense to me if Lunaticman is scum, as it would explain why day 2 ends without a lynch with the threat of Koshi's Double lynch. However for me to accept this idea Koshi has to be telling the truth. I can't stand playing with Koshi b/c of how intolerable he is to everyone. It makes me think he's a lying and scum even when he is telling the truth.
On the other side of the coin, I could also see TS making a case for Lunaticman in an attempt to earn towncred for later. But then I'm left with the question: why did day 2 end without a lynch? Maybe scum didn't end the day maybe it was a 3rd party role? Or maybe Vivax is scum and the move was purely to keep him alive?...hmmm I'm not sure.
Either way, my initial thoughts are that TS looks very scummy to me. I think I'm gonna check out Koshi now. But I think TS is my strongest scum read after Vivax.
Will look at TS. About the no-lynch I am fairly certain that it would be used on cooldown. If vivax is scum: he gets saved for one day, town wastes one lynch.. If he is town: he gets saved for one day, town wastes two lynches. Either way mafia win, and to not use this ability is stupid.
On October 26 2016 13:04 Hopeless1der wrote: My thoughts on Koshi:
So i feel the need to say that the fact that Koshi failed to produce a double lynch is not *necessarily* his fault. He proclaimed it to the world and it got struck down.
A) he thought it was nearly foolproof (and is town) B) he's scum C) hes 3p (super unlikely, this is only here for the sake of addressing all options...at this point Planar Dragon is a thing)
So, while it'd be great to be able to just lynch him and be done with it, the flavor/end of the day strongly suggests the presence of Balanar (nightstalker). If we are approaching LYLO/MYLO territory, then sure lets get rid of him on the chance the he is in fact responsible for causing the no-lynch. However, I still think Koshi is more likely town than scum and I dont want to remove him, especially since he claims to have taken so much damage and is liable to die to random aoe damage without our intervention anyways, so we dont need to look at him for lynch for a couple days imo..
I'll spend more time worrying about the rest of the game after Vivax dies, but I at least want to say that I think Koshi is town atm. If I die in the meantime, oh welp, I'm not that strong imo, so not a huge deal to me. I've been hitting acro, 'protecting' lamp and annoying dandel so far this game.
On October 26 2016 13:08 GlowingBear wrote: We were probably hitting Mafia yesterday. Darkness indicates it
On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
Clues: There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.
I mean, sure, the flavour could be a clue, but I personally would take offense to that.
Not voted (4): Tictock, Rels, Eversince, WaveofShadow
It looks like Vivax is about to be owned. Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) and resolves one hour later, at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
HF came in and voted TT, and then you have iamp, Tubesock, Dandel, Ritoky all within 5 minutes of each other. This made him the lead wagon at 7 votes, with lunatic man being 2nd closest at 3. Tubesock then bails for Koshi, a few other random votes happen, before BM/Koshi/bndt all come in to seal the deal.
On day 2 Vivax was basically a lock, before lunatic started really picking up some steam. TS says some really interesting things in this time period:
On October 25 2016 02:48 Tubesock wrote: I don't think Lunatic is mafia. But I don't have any solid reasons. Mostly I didn't like the wagon yesterday.
##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax ##Vote: Skynx
On October 25 2016 03:39 Tubesock wrote: I think Luna is town. I won't vote for him. Looking through his filter, I tried to gather his reads.
Towns: beentheredonethat 1 of Koshi/Artanis (and only because of dead HF) I think that's it.
Scums: HolyFlare Koshi (if not Koshi then Artanis[Xp] and 100% sheep of HF)
I don't know Lunaticman. Never played with him. But if he is mafia, is he lunatic enough to tunnel hard on 2 strong willed players? Like right out the gate. He immediately votes Koshi, then still within the first 12 hours or so of the game he starts on HF. And Never leaves either of them the ENTIRE time. He's still on Koshi. Mafia or town, going headstrong on HF kinda means you just may die. Lunaticman attacks and goes after him.
He doesn't veer off from them. WHich i think is towny too. I know when I start thinking strongly that someone is mafia, I get more obstinate. It pretty much dominates my conversation if no one is listening or agreeing. There was shade on HF when he wasn't playing. Then he did and everyone thought he was town (otherwise why follow his TT case?). Lunatic still scum'd him till HF died. He had perfect opportunity to town HF and get off HF's bad side and still look good for going up against him. But town doesn't do that.
I spoiled a few of his posts but not all. The ones I skipped either were repeats of earlier posts (like HF is scum for making him appear bad) etc.
I think his main crime isn't putting in 12 hours a day here and only giving 5 player reads. Maybe a bit defensive but I've seen worse from town.
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote: apparantly you're not the only one
at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean
Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.
Also ritoky is definitely mafia.
That is some shady accusations without any reasons and I beg to differ greatly. I have been on point, I think you are trying to undermine my credibility. Typical mafia play.
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote: apparantly you're not the only one
at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean
Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.
Also ritoky is definitely mafia.
Yeh, pmtc or whatever his name is pretty on point. Lunatic's read on koshi was after everyone else started calling out koshi.
Lunatic's other reads are one liners that are throwaway comments despite making a post that only important things should be posted. Then he calls me town and mafia like to do that.
Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around.
On October 21 2016 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote: Holyflare, you've been in a game scum with Koshi and town with Koshi. Please skim his filter and tell me if you also think he's scum.
On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote: Oh I forgot about Luna
hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah?
I didn't buss anyone.
What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF?
I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.
So omgus?
haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc.
Skynx (list post struck me as wrong but can't place finger on it) Lunaticman (crap tunnel based on nothing followed by nothing) ExO_ (why) Kurumi Vivax Koshi GlowingBear WaveofShadow
Null:
Bill Murray (said atrocious things all game but some hidden le gems)
Artanis (maybe up to scummy soon)
Btdt (artanis making me hesitant but deadline stuff was scummy)
Hamazura (need more)
Acrofales (not read at all but i don't think towny whenever read what he says)
ritoky (i think he tried to pocket me with gb/luna read but playing too stiff maybe move to scummy)
Lord Tolkien (hesitant to remove but probably should based on dmg on wave)
Tubesock (zzzz?)
HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi.
You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation.
For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing.
A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not.
On October 22 2016 18:54 Holyflare wrote: I also literally just told you how the wagon formed, it was me. I also talked about btdt's actioms at deadline whicj you just undermined for no reason.
You're all talk and no substance.
Chill, maybe I was a bit vague.
I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not.
For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader.
Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective.
The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose.
On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote: There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3
On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote: Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die.
The really interesting thing here is these posts are about 50 minutes apart. Instead of seeing something then drawing a conclusion based on what he saw, TS first drew the conclusion that lunaticman is town, then found the evidence to back it up.
I find TS highly suspicious.He hops off the Vivax wagon (after being the first to vote him), and then he hops off the TT wagon day 1 as soon as it got a majority. He defends lunaticman as the lunatic wagon is gaining steam on day 2. And then surprise No lynch on day 2. I think this heavily implicates Tubesock. I could see Lunaticman being either scum or town here. It makes a lot more sense to me if Lunaticman is scum, as it would explain why day 2 ends without a lynch with the threat of Koshi's Double lynch. However for me to accept this idea Koshi has to be telling the truth. I can't stand playing with Koshi b/c of how intolerable he is to everyone. It makes me think he's a lying and scum even when he is telling the truth.
On the other side of the coin, I could also see TS making a case for Lunaticman in an attempt to earn towncred for later. But then I'm left with the question: why did day 2 end without a lynch? Maybe scum didn't end the day maybe it was a 3rd party role? Or maybe Vivax is scum and the move was purely to keep him alive?...hmmm I'm not sure.
Either way, my initial thoughts are that TS looks very scummy to me. I think I'm gonna check out Koshi now. But I think TS is my strongest scum read after Vivax.
Too many mental gymnastics. They stopped the lynch to prevent Vivax from getting lynched, and obviously frustrating the hell out of town. Added bonus, if koshi is town then they have a double reason to no-lynch: wasting town ultimates is always good for scum.
@koshi: can you confirm you still have your vote-damage/double lynch ability?
If so, i trust WoS and we need a 2nd wagon on gb by the end of the day.
On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote: anyway afk until vivax' flip
This is scummy
you have someone saying they have check on you saying your mafia dear.
i also checked his hp and its low. have at er boys
I want the second wagon on someone with actual hp, that we can not finish off easily with our kp.
On October 26 2016 09:00 WaveofShadow wrote: ##vote: Vivax
My list as of last night still stands, except without the giant bold red letters on sicklucker. Assuming most (if not all) of the town believes I am town as well, why exactly did so many people still shoot into LT tonight? I suppose I can't blame you guys entirely, but Tubesock you especially (assuming you did the brunt of the damage) wasting a massive KP for town on him when I didn't list him as scum----especially when you've had me hard town forever? Bleh.
Anyway, THIS LIST, in case people have ignored it so far:
They all need to die. In something like this order, preferably. (I added Exo)
Glowingbear is scum. I have confirmed this, and no, you don't need to know how. Why am I claiming this now when Vivax is already up? In case other people have some daytime stuff we can do to remove him. I'd give Koshi a chance here to do his thing today, but the reason he is on the list, is as I stated last night, it is nearly impossible to tell if he performed the no lynch action himself or if it was instigated by scum. If he is able to do it again today, we'll obviously know but until he proves himself town somehow (since a secret vote-damage-killing ability is not even remotely solely pro-town like he says) he needs to be on the block. As I believe he is likely at low life, this shouldn't be difficult.
There are probably one or two people I'm missing and maybe someone who's wrong on there. The lurk makes things fairly difficult, but I don't believe I am massively wrong. The people who are under some amount of suspicion like Ritoky (who I have zero reason not to believe his claim), Skynx, Tubesock and Bill Murray I am fine with.
As far as sicklucker---ugh. What I said about him last night is basically true. He's in Koshi tier right now because I can't be absolutely certain he isn't being the ballsiest scum ever---I could swear he has flat out claimed or made massive fakeclaims as scum before and had it work out for him. I don't know why I think this either but I'm not going to do the legwork involved. If somebody else wants to they're more than welcome. In any case, probabyl low priority right now but eventually he may have to be removed.
Iamp you're in HF tier for me right now---that is I'm a little paranoid. You're universally townread I believe and since you can't be 3P anymore (probably) the fact that you're still alive and mostly unscathed is concerning, but not to such a degree that I;m willing to even remotely focus on you above anyone else I've listed. Just some thoughts for the future (and I say HF tier because I'm sure you could be thinking the same about me if you're town---this is how HF and I play every game together. Neither of us ever truly trust the other.)
I can't be certain if protection was used on me last night (well I can, but you guys don't need to know how I'd know that either) but I didn't take any damage. Don't claim if you helped me out.
Random thoughts: Scum KP likely works (I hope) similarly to how I did it in LoL mafia. There is likely some large amount of factional KP (whether this has to be delivered is a hosting choice I guess, and only somewhat relevant right now), and hopefully this can be reduced once we finally start picking them off. I would say if they can somehow prevent Vivax from dying AGAIN today we're probably super fucked because it seems as though they decided to chunk a few people last night instead of outright killing any one person just in case of protection. As such, use protection accordingly.
I should be able to do a bunch more going forward assuming I'm not silenced again or somebody does something real derpy.
I know this was kinda disjointed but I wanted to get some thoughts out while they were somewhat fresh. There might be more.
I'm still not certain on you, but i can agree with the list. So let's go!
On October 26 2016 20:30 Dandel Ion wrote: well i guess now we know how LT took so much damage.
i think we'll have to kill artanis, cant afford to keep him around until d5 (as d4 is already kurumi's exclusive)
sicklucker (i think?) had the damage% amp yeah? well get on it footsoldiers, i'll mightily lead the charge.
Or you can just help me achieve my objectives and I'll disappear from the game whilst not having to waste a lynch on someone who will never flip scum in a game where not a single scum has died yet. That might be a better idea.
On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.
can you elaborate on your "help"?
Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
but what is the incentive for someone up for lynch?
You lynch them if they don't agree.
Just to make sure that i understand what you are saying: You want the top lynch to tell you his role so that you kill him instead of him being the lynch? And us to then take your word for it, stop our lynch on that guy and lynch the next on the list?
On October 26 2016 20:40 Koshi wrote: I healed myself. Shouldn't really count as me visiting myself but w.e I guess. Not sure if I believe ritokys claim but at least I correctly read him as not town. Really suspicious I got hit so much each day and now suddenly nobody comes to finish me off when there is a watcher ward on me. Could be that mafia tried to frame a townie killing me.
I still have my double lynch but it can probably be stopped by mafia. I am 100% sure I got stunned yesterday and that the people around me attacked me. Even if you don't believe me, it is what happened. It makes too much sense. btdt flipped town and CONFIRMED getting 5 damage D1, N1, D2 each time he attacked me. iamp and artanis CONFIRMED getting 5 damage D2. For me it is CONFIRMED I got hit for 30ish D2 alone. What else can it be?
##vote Vivax
For me the core of the mafia team is still Skynx/Luna/Vivax.
PS I still have to read some pages but wanted to make a quick post.
I don't think it was (only) you getting stunned, since we got no lynch at all. Let's get the double wagon rolling again and you do your thing. GB is low, as SL says, so lets kp him and lynch Vivax/Luna.
On October 26 2016 20:30 Dandel Ion wrote: well i guess now we know how LT took so much damage.
i think we'll have to kill artanis, cant afford to keep him around until d5 (as d4 is already kurumi's exclusive)
sicklucker (i think?) had the damage% amp yeah? well get on it footsoldiers, i'll mightily lead the charge.
Or you can just help me achieve my objectives and I'll disappear from the game whilst not having to waste a lynch on someone who will never flip scum in a game where not a single scum has died yet. That might be a better idea.
On October 26 2016 20:30 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:23 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:16 ptmc wrote: [quote] can you elaborate on your "help"?
Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
but what is the incentive for someone up for lynch?
You lynch them if they don't agree.
Just to make sure that i understand what you are saying: You want the top lynch to tell you his role so that you kill him instead of him being the lynch? And us to then take your word for it, stop our lynch on that guy and lynch the next on the list?
If there's a bunch of lynchbait like Kurumi and GB around, you make them claim their roles and I hit one whilst town lynches the other.
But the lynchbait is at least some days off from their designated lynch time. And even then I don't see why they should humour you. Damn you flood control...
On October 26 2016 20:30 Dandel Ion wrote: well i guess now we know how LT took so much damage.
i think we'll have to kill artanis, cant afford to keep him around until d5 (as d4 is already kurumi's exclusive)
sicklucker (i think?) had the damage% amp yeah? well get on it footsoldiers, i'll mightily lead the charge.
Or you can just help me achieve my objectives and I'll disappear from the game whilst not having to waste a lynch on someone who will never flip scum in a game where not a single scum has died yet. That might be a better idea.
On October 26 2016 20:30 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:23 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 ptmc wrote: [quote]
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
but what is the incentive for someone up for lynch?
You lynch them if they don't agree.
Just to make sure that i understand what you are saying: You want the top lynch to tell you his role so that you kill him instead of him being the lynch? And us to then take your word for it, stop our lynch on that guy and lynch the next on the list?
If there's a bunch of lynchbait like Kurumi and GB around, you make them claim their roles and I hit one whilst town lynches the other.
But the lynchbait is at least some days off from their designated lynch time. And even then I don't see why they should humour you. Damn you flood control...
Meh, I guess. I can just keep shooting who town wants me to shoot and hope it's people on my deathlist. Should be easy to make sure I'm keeping my part of the bargain.
Just stick kp on GB for a start and he should flip today.
On October 26 2016 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm pretty annoyed with the lack of discussion of the stuff I posted.
Especially the vote count thing.
Does everyone really just agree with me blindly? I mean that's cool and all but I'm not really used to it.
The vote count looks decent, but there are some more constellations that would make sense. I agree with the top of your list, have no reason (yet) to doubt you on GB so I don't have a lot to discuss. Is there something specific you would want to talk about?
On October 26 2016 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm pretty annoyed with the lack of discussion of the stuff I posted.
Especially the vote count thing.
Does everyone really just agree with me blindly? I mean that's cool and all but I'm not really used to it.
The vote count looks decent, but there are some more constellations that would make sense. I agree with the top of your list, have no reason (yet) to doubt you on GB so I don't have a lot to discuss. Is there something specific you would want to talk about?
On October 26 2016 21:06 Dandel Ion wrote: my feedback would be that it looks very neat and coordinated, but if that is the scumteam they're definitely neither of those things
so if you're right on the people (which is possible) i doubt it's because of this
pretty much what i meant. And i still don't trust you, Wave. But with the claim on GB you have now given something to confirm you of, I have not found a lot to disagree with in your last posts and you have pretty much the same lynch targets as me.
I would feel even better about you if you could explain why you explained your scum read on me with me scum reading you after you having pushed me, while it actually was you scum reading me after my vote on you with barely if any direct interaction between us?
Will check on GB/you soon, but I'm fairly certain it fits into my image of he is scum, you don't post stuff that i disagree with.
On October 26 2016 21:36 Koshi wrote: ritoky claims that placing an item that he got from the hosts costed his entire turn? I find that hard to believe.
On October 23 2016 02:46 GlowingBear wrote: Also, I remember a guy that said I was playing like my most recent town meta, which made him think I was town. I don't remember if it was Tubesock or Tictock. At first it seemed genuine but now I think it reeks TMI. If it was TT then it was genuine LOL.
On October 24 2016 10:00 Lord Tolkien wrote: 1) I would really like it if we could find a way to confirm BTDT as town, despite his flagrant filter padding. That would certainly make this game easier. The best way would be for koshi to flip scum, but he is claiming the ability to double lynch, which basically confirms him town unless we don't get a double lynch. But then again, why the would he claim the ability to double lynch when there's obviously a mafia roleblock going around. That's actually a stupid thing to do even if you're under pressure from KP, it mildly makes sense given death will cancel the ability out (because it would probably fall under "other"), but actually. This is retarded and we likely have 0 way to verify because he'll never get it off.
So Koshi, please explain your double lynch more thoroughly and tell us why you'd claim it like this or die. Today, preferably. Because it makes no sense.
2) The complete lack of defense or attempt to deflect off of Vivax at all is mildly disconcerting. Plus he's on track to be modkilled D2 so...I'm not sold on the lynch anymore.
3) I'm going to assume Dandel is Schrodinger's scummer, since I obv. cannot read him from the 1 game i played with him.
4) Is HxT just confused noob town or mafia using noob shield. idk, could just kill him today instead of Vivax because he's using noob shield excuse, and if he actually flips scum I can confirm BTDT. But then again he might also be modkilled and replaced so argh.
5) So GB. Why haven't you done anything if you aren't scum. You're always low-key when scum and super-active as town, so tell me. Why shouldn't we lynch you today?
6) Fun fact, I get unblockable/unredirectable KP with my basic attacks now. coo'.
7) The fuck is with this 3p meepo claim. It mildly makes sense, but when 1 meepo dies all meepos die. But then again they decided to classify my hero as an offlaner, lul, so. I'll rule it plausible.
8) SL claims BS. Hrm. Hmmmmmm. What town role does checking HP even serve for town as opposed to mafia, who are better able to coordinate KP to kill off town.
9) I will reverse my call to kill Kurumi for today. Mostly because I don't trust wave still and mostly because I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in re. to time constraints. Even if all he's promising to do is give fucking lists.
10) meh, I like iamp, but then again I know he's not posting mostly because we're playing DotA.
I'm off to play DotA, but I'm prob going to give NocturneMage a read tonight to figure out why the fuck mafia killed him tonight. Might've been rolechecked D1 but eh, think it's probably his filter.
If you skim my filter you'll notice I'm out of time Also, recent meta shows that you're wrong. I don't have meta. That's a fact
Does not fit.
On October 25 2016 02:30 GlowingBear wrote: Wtf how am I not playinf the game, I'm postibg here every couple if hours and I already gave reads I'VE got.
I'm not being useless, I'm giving bits of information every time.
I already said I think ptmc is town. I now think Artanis is town based on meta - I don't think this is the way he plays as mafia, he is not too try hard and he is not accusing people and sticking to that argument without rethinking them. His approach on me looks pretty townie IMO. I also think Koshi might be town, his posts seems very fluid with not so much thought put on them.
Ritoky is a question mark. He doesn't seem very interested into solving the game. Could be mafia.
Acrofales was very invested in the game, but his efforts kinda dropped. He was (or is) one of the most active players in the game, but I don't see him putting effort into actually having his targets lynched. Yes, I know Vivax is getting lynched, but I don't remember him being thoughtful about the future cycles.
Iamp may be town and I can be paranoid, but I think I have a solid argument on him being town.
I haven't read Skynx's post with much attention but I have a gut feeling he could be mafia. I can't explain why. It's a feeling.
On October 22 2016 23:58 GlowingBear wrote: Btw perfection seems townie to me
GB when you can, mind giving us your top three scum reads? I don't have an idea where your head is at the moment.
I don't have scum reads. I've barely read the thread tbh. From times to times I come to the thread and try to get impressions from posts.
I am a bit suspicious of Ritoky because Ritoky knows how my mind as mafia works and this is definitely not how I play as Mafia. But I don't have stronger grounds on him. Nothing really stands out as scummy from his posts. His gifs gave me a bad impression in the beginning of the game, but that is very weak to form a scumread on someone.
In the other hand, Holyflare had the same impression as me, so a mindmeld occurred. That made me think Holyflare is town.
I saw a genuine post from a guy that I forgot his username. I even quoted it. And now I think iamperfection comes from a very townie POV. So there's that.
On October 24 2016 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok so hamazura has done legit fucking nothing. I think due to weird 'newbie-to-the-site' statements and questions he's more likely to be town but he got just be one of those tricksy little hobbitses who knows to make himself look like that. Hard to say for sure. I'd say pick him off at night or with KP but again, there are better targets I think.
Overall town really needs to step it up I think or we just lose to ourselves. Of all the people consistently under suspicion:
LT GB Hamazura Exo SL Tubesock Lunatic and so on and so forth
If you are town,if you do not want to lose, pick up the slack and prove to us you're town.
Wave, there's a huge problem in people's suspucions on me: their suspicions are based on me being useless. It is right that effort is a town trait, but lack of effort isn't, per se, a scum trait.
You're basically calling scum every lurker.
Even if he is town we are only losing numbers without him. And i for sure don't want to go to lylo with him as a possible town.
On October 25 2016 05:44 GlowingBear wrote: Wait, today is a double lynch?
Supposedly koshi's ability kills the second person in the tally or it deals damage based on votes or something
Oh we should definetly form a second wagon, shouldn't we?
Have you opened the vote thread at all?
Just did
Btw I'm rethinking ritoky. He may be mafia, after all. I think I'll check his fikter by the night
Never did, drops anything he (might have) had on ritoky because of Holyflares reads D1, adapts them as his own. Anything he ever had as slightly scummy he doesn't follow up at all, just waffles on about how being useless is not AI (which it isn't per se) and how we shouldn't kill him (we should).
On October 26 2016 21:36 Koshi wrote: ritoky claims that placing an item that he got from the hosts costed his entire turn? I find that hard to believe.
I believe him
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm ok then. That is just weird though. Why force somebody to waste a turn?
there are a lot of questions regarding balance i may or may not post at some time after the game has concluded and we can check what everyone had as possible actions.
On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.
can you elaborate on your "help"?
Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote: That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off
I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.
Wtf wtf wtf.
Okay. Too bizar a time to claim to really mistrust right now... but this is bizar. If you have 15 heroes, that's greater than half the game. Presumably you had a winching with one of the guys that flipped already. Tell us what you had to do or face death by basic attack...
true, just calculated some probabilities (x of 5 trials, 15/25 chance): 0 successes: 1% 1 or less: 8.7% 2 or less: 31.7%
So unless in his list of 15 some heroes aren't even in the game, some of his wincons are not related to the death of heroes or he straight up lies, he is a very unlucky man and should almost certainly have won already.
On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.
can you elaborate on your "help"?
Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote: That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off
I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.
Wtf wtf wtf.
Okay. Too bizar a time to claim to really mistrust right now... but this is bizar. If you have 15 heroes, that's greater than half the game. Presumably you had a winching with one of the guys that flipped already. Tell us what you had to do or face death by basic attack...
Spectre died and was in there. He was one of the heroes I needed to deliver fatal dmg to for one of my objectives.
ok, if you actually have more complex wincons then disregard my previous post
On October 26 2016 22:37 ExO_ wrote: Yeah I'm done with you wave. I've yet to see your contributes amount to anything substantial for town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you flip scum. You couldn't care less about finding scum just about trying to appear important to survive
I don't think that has been true at least since D2. I liked your case on TS and dug some more in his filter:
On October 26 2016 22:37 ExO_ wrote: Yeah I'm done with you wave. I've yet to see your contributes amount to anything substantial for town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you flip scum. You couldn't care less about finding scum just about trying to appear important to survive
I don't think that has been true at least since D2. I liked your case on TS and dug some more in his filter:
On October 25 2016 07:07 Tubesock wrote:
On October 25 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Wtf happened? Koshi? Also I got dealt 5 damage somehow.
someone attacked you.
I attacked Skynx.
Tonight I attack either Vivax or Koshi. Koshi was hit for 30 yesterday so is already wounded.
On October 26 2016 07:44 Tubesock wrote: I hit LT with a gift. It said it would do critical damage.
I didn't receive any damage.
##Vote: Vivax
Why would he do this? Maybe to actually kill of a townie? Let Koshi live for us to lynch?
Ding ding ding ding
TS has been extremely transparent with his reads and actions. This is a silyl thing for scum to do, and not worth the attempt to 'make a play.' I also don't think he's ever required prompting. Unlike SOME people I can think of (AHEMBEARAHEM) For that matter, Exo have you ever claimed your actions or actions taken on you either?
Yes I have. I've claimed attacking Koshi and I've claimed taking 5hp damage. Maybe if you'd stick your head out of your own ass you could read some of my posts?
On October 26 2016 22:37 ExO_ wrote: Yeah I'm done with you wave. I've yet to see your contributes amount to anything substantial for town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you flip scum. You couldn't care less about finding scum just about trying to appear important to survive
I don't think that has been true at least since D2. I liked your case on TS and dug some more in his filter:
On October 25 2016 07:07 Tubesock wrote:
On October 25 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Wtf happened? Koshi? Also I got dealt 5 damage somehow.
someone attacked you.
I attacked Skynx.
Tonight I attack either Vivax or Koshi. Koshi was hit for 30 yesterday so is already wounded.
On October 26 2016 07:44 Tubesock wrote: I hit LT with a gift. It said it would do critical damage.
I didn't receive any damage.
##Vote: Vivax
Why would he do this? Maybe to actually kill of a townie? Let Koshi live for us to lynch?
Ding ding ding ding
TS has been extremely transparent with his reads and actions. This is a silyl thing for scum to do, and not worth the attempt to 'make a play.' I also don't think he's ever required prompting. Unlike SOME people I can think of (AHEMBEARAHEM) For that matter, Exo have you ever claimed your actions or actions taken on you either?
Yes I have. I've claimed attacking Koshi and I've claimed taking 5hp damage. Maybe if you'd stick your head out of your own ass you could read some of my posts?
what about my post
it was a fine contribution and you're a good boy.
hey, no pocketing! but i rather wanted to hear exo_s thoughts
On October 26 2016 22:37 ExO_ wrote: Yeah I'm done with you wave. I've yet to see your contributes amount to anything substantial for town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you flip scum. You couldn't care less about finding scum just about trying to appear important to survive
I don't think that has been true at least since D2. I liked your case on TS and dug some more in his filter:
On October 26 2016 22:37 ExO_ wrote: Yeah I'm done with you wave. I've yet to see your contributes amount to anything substantial for town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you flip scum. You couldn't care less about finding scum just about trying to appear important to survive
I don't think that has been true at least since D2. I liked your case on TS and dug some more in his filter:
On October 25 2016 07:07 Tubesock wrote:
On October 25 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Wtf happened? Koshi? Also I got dealt 5 damage somehow.
someone attacked you.
I attacked Skynx.
Tonight I attack either Vivax or Koshi. Koshi was hit for 30 yesterday so is already wounded.
On October 26 2016 07:44 Tubesock wrote: I hit LT with a gift. It said it would do critical damage.
I didn't receive any damage.
##Vote: Vivax
Why would he do this? Maybe to actually kill of a townie? Let Koshi live for us to lynch?
it's literally on this page
hmmmm, why would he do which part?
Why would he say that he will either attack vivax/koshi and then, after LT has flipped town, claim his damage on him as well? And why would he even attack LT in the first place?
On October 25 2016 02:35 GlowingBear wrote: Oh and I'm okay with WoS, might be town I dislike hopeless, would lynch in a pinch And I dislike sicklucker but I always think he is mafia
You didn't have a problem with me here even though HF was suspicious of me longer before this
Like....you are literally calling me scum now right after you called me TOWN after posting this:
On October 24 2016 22:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2016 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok so hamazura has done legit fucking nothing. I think due to weird 'newbie-to-the-site' statements and questions he's more likely to be town but he got just be one of those tricksy little hobbitses who knows to make himself look like that. Hard to say for sure. I'd say pick him off at night or with KP but again, there are better targets I think.
Overall town really needs to step it up I think or we just lose to ourselves. Of all the people consistently under suspicion:
LT GB Hamazura Exo SL Tubesock Lunatic and so on and so forth
If you are town,if you do not want to lose, pick up the slack and prove to us you're town.
Wave, there's a huge problem in people's suspucions on me: their suspicions are based on me being useless. It is right that effort is a town trait, but lack of effort isn't, per se, a scum trait.
You're basically calling scum every lurker.
oh GB
poor, poor GB.
I can call you town and change my mind, it's the nature of people who doesn't have perfect information
But having different opinions based on the same data is kinda weird, no?
On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote: anyway afk until vivax' flip
This is scummy
how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho
On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:02 ritoky wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:32 ritoky wrote: also if iamp is mafia, it is because he takes more than he gives. dunno if he is though.
So are you voting alongside us/helping us for now so the game continues? I assume you just leave the game if you just get to where you want?
Is there anything that you're not telling us that can affect us in any particular way? Like can you recruit as some people were suggesting?
i need 1 or 2 mafia to die for enough phases to win i believe. i don't recruit, i don't get more votes, and i believe i disappear upon completing my objective.
i have a move + attack each day phase.
that's pretty much it. so yes i need to town side.
Who wants to CC ritoky? because otherwise I advocate straight up ignoring him until we clear out a couple mafia.
I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him
idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e.
wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys
On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote: He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia.
On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote: WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman
Probs mafia team
so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me.
On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote: I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day
have you tried KISSing yet
I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax
On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
Clues: There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.
and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?
On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote: anyway afk until vivax' flip
This is scummy
how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho
On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:02 ritoky wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:32 ritoky wrote: also if iamp is mafia, it is because he takes more than he gives. dunno if he is though.
So are you voting alongside us/helping us for now so the game continues? I assume you just leave the game if you just get to where you want?
Is there anything that you're not telling us that can affect us in any particular way? Like can you recruit as some people were suggesting?
i need 1 or 2 mafia to die for enough phases to win i believe. i don't recruit, i don't get more votes, and i believe i disappear upon completing my objective.
i have a move + attack each day phase.
that's pretty much it. so yes i need to town side.
Who wants to CC ritoky? because otherwise I advocate straight up ignoring him until we clear out a couple mafia.
I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him
idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e.
wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys
On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote: He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia.
On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote: WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman
Probs mafia team
so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me.
On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote: I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day
have you tried KISSing yet
I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax
On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
Clues: There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.
and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?
Why would town use no lynch that day? There is no town motivation to do so.
There is Mafia motivation to do so. What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia
What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
On October 26 2016 23:30 GlowingBear wrote: I ask all of you willingness to interact with me. I have 5 pages of filter, it's not that much to read, and if you keep ignoring me/tunneled on me and not willing to reconsider your positions I'll just peace out and let you lose to goddammn obv Mafia
I have read your filter and have found nothing helpful for town in it. If you are scum or town doesn't even matter to me at that point, since even as town you apparently are not willing to help town win. And i don't want a harder check claim than this (you even quoted it):
On October 26 2016 09:00 WaveofShadow wrote: ##vote: Vivax
My list as of last night still stands, except without the giant bold red letters on sicklucker. Assuming most (if not all) of the town believes I am town as well, why exactly did so many people still shoot into LT tonight? I suppose I can't blame you guys entirely, but Tubesock you especially (assuming you did the brunt of the damage) wasting a massive KP for town on him when I didn't list him as scum----especially when you've had me hard town forever? Bleh.
Anyway, THIS LIST, in case people have ignored it so far:
They all need to die. In something like this order, preferably. (I added Exo)
Glowingbear is scum. I have confirmed this, and no, you don't need to know how. Why am I claiming this now when Vivax is already up? In case other people have some daytime stuff we can do to remove him. I'd give Koshi a chance here to do his thing today, but the reason he is on the list, is as I stated last night, it is nearly impossible to tell if he performed the no lynch action himself or if it was instigated by scum. If he is able to do it again today, we'll obviously know but until he proves himself town somehow (since a secret vote-damage-killing ability is not even remotely solely pro-town like he says) he needs to be on the block. As I believe he is likely at low life, this shouldn't be difficult.
There are probably one or two people I'm missing and maybe someone who's wrong on there. The lurk makes things fairly difficult, but I don't believe I am massively wrong. The people who are under some amount of suspicion like Ritoky (who I have zero reason not to believe his claim), Skynx, Tubesock and Bill Murray I am fine with.
As far as sicklucker---ugh. What I said about him last night is basically true. He's in Koshi tier right now because I can't be absolutely certain he isn't being the ballsiest scum ever---I could swear he has flat out claimed or made massive fakeclaims as scum before and had it work out for him. I don't know why I think this either but I'm not going to do the legwork involved. If somebody else wants to they're more than welcome. In any case, probabyl low priority right now but eventually he may have to be removed.
Iamp you're in HF tier for me right now---that is I'm a little paranoid. You're universally townread I believe and since you can't be 3P anymore (probably) the fact that you're still alive and mostly unscathed is concerning, but not to such a degree that I;m willing to even remotely focus on you above anyone else I've listed. Just some thoughts for the future (and I say HF tier because I'm sure you could be thinking the same about me if you're town---this is how HF and I play every game together. Neither of us ever truly trust the other.)
I can't be certain if protection was used on me last night (well I can, but you guys don't need to know how I'd know that either) but I didn't take any damage. Don't claim if you helped me out.
Random thoughts: Scum KP likely works (I hope) similarly to how I did it in LoL mafia. There is likely some large amount of factional KP (whether this has to be delivered is a hosting choice I guess, and only somewhat relevant right now), and hopefully this can be reduced once we finally start picking them off. I would say if they can somehow prevent Vivax from dying AGAIN today we're probably super fucked because it seems as though they decided to chunk a few people last night instead of outright killing any one person just in case of protection. As such, use protection accordingly.
I should be able to do a bunch more going forward assuming I'm not silenced again or somebody does something real derpy.
I know this was kinda disjointed but I wanted to get some thoughts out while they were somewhat fresh. There might be more.
When I flip green you know who to lynch
Your last sentence is however correct. It's kinda sad that you help town the most when you have died.
On October 26 2016 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote: No what I thought you were saying was before when you called me town for something earlier in the game, nothing actually changed, and now you're calling me scum for it.
Then you just explained it as being because some townies are dead who called me scum, when those townies (HF specifically) called me scum much earlier in the game when you still thought I was town.
Nothing has changed except for the fact that HF is dead now.
Care to explain it better then?
Two townies that suspected you being dead by Mafia reinforces my scum read on you. It's not the basis of it.
My opinion on why you're scun is that you're soft claimibg a check on me when it's impossible, and because you're tunneled on me since day1 without a clear reason for why I would be Mafia, and avoiding answering the questions I direct to you.
So why am i not scum? because no dead townies thought i was scum? I've also had you on my scum-pile since D1.
On October 26 2016 23:30 GlowingBear wrote: I ask all of you willingness to interact with me. I have 5 pages of filter, it's not that much to read, and if you keep ignoring me/tunneled on me and not willing to reconsider your positions I'll just peace out and let you lose to goddammn obv Mafia
I have read your filter and have found nothing helpful for town in it. If you are scum or town doesn't even matter to me at that point, since even as town you apparently are not willing to help town win. And i don't want a harder check claim than this (you even quoted it):
On October 26 2016 11:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2016 09:00 WaveofShadow wrote: ##vote: Vivax
My list as of last night still stands, except without the giant bold red letters on sicklucker. Assuming most (if not all) of the town believes I am town as well, why exactly did so many people still shoot into LT tonight? I suppose I can't blame you guys entirely, but Tubesock you especially (assuming you did the brunt of the damage) wasting a massive KP for town on him when I didn't list him as scum----especially when you've had me hard town forever? Bleh.
Anyway, THIS LIST, in case people have ignored it so far:
They all need to die. In something like this order, preferably. (I added Exo)
Glowingbear is scum. I have confirmed this, and no, you don't need to know how. Why am I claiming this now when Vivax is already up? In case other people have some daytime stuff we can do to remove him. I'd give Koshi a chance here to do his thing today, but the reason he is on the list, is as I stated last night, it is nearly impossible to tell if he performed the no lynch action himself or if it was instigated by scum. If he is able to do it again today, we'll obviously know but until he proves himself town somehow (since a secret vote-damage-killing ability is not even remotely solely pro-town like he says) he needs to be on the block. As I believe he is likely at low life, this shouldn't be difficult.
There are probably one or two people I'm missing and maybe someone who's wrong on there. The lurk makes things fairly difficult, but I don't believe I am massively wrong. The people who are under some amount of suspicion like Ritoky (who I have zero reason not to believe his claim), Skynx, Tubesock and Bill Murray I am fine with.
As far as sicklucker---ugh. What I said about him last night is basically true. He's in Koshi tier right now because I can't be absolutely certain he isn't being the ballsiest scum ever---I could swear he has flat out claimed or made massive fakeclaims as scum before and had it work out for him. I don't know why I think this either but I'm not going to do the legwork involved. If somebody else wants to they're more than welcome. In any case, probabyl low priority right now but eventually he may have to be removed.
Iamp you're in HF tier for me right now---that is I'm a little paranoid. You're universally townread I believe and since you can't be 3P anymore (probably) the fact that you're still alive and mostly unscathed is concerning, but not to such a degree that I;m willing to even remotely focus on you above anyone else I've listed. Just some thoughts for the future (and I say HF tier because I'm sure you could be thinking the same about me if you're town---this is how HF and I play every game together. Neither of us ever truly trust the other.)
I can't be certain if protection was used on me last night (well I can, but you guys don't need to know how I'd know that either) but I didn't take any damage. Don't claim if you helped me out.
Random thoughts: Scum KP likely works (I hope) similarly to how I did it in LoL mafia. There is likely some large amount of factional KP (whether this has to be delivered is a hosting choice I guess, and only somewhat relevant right now), and hopefully this can be reduced once we finally start picking them off. I would say if they can somehow prevent Vivax from dying AGAIN today we're probably super fucked because it seems as though they decided to chunk a few people last night instead of outright killing any one person just in case of protection. As such, use protection accordingly.
I should be able to do a bunch more going forward assuming I'm not silenced again or somebody does something real derpy.
I know this was kinda disjointed but I wanted to get some thoughts out while they were somewhat fresh. There might be more.
When I flip green you know who to lynch
Your last sentence is however correct. It's kinda sad that you help town the most when you have died.
Then I won't waste more of my time. If you think there's nothing informational in my filter, then I'm over with this game. Kill me and keep losing. Bye bye
I just re-read your filter again, and the most exciting thing in it was that HF also scum-read you. Have you tried to read it? Anything specific you want to point out to being helpful towards town? + Show Spoiler +
On October 27 2016 00:18 Dandel Ion wrote: when i claimed teemo i didn't know dota had a teemo too
like i actually did plenty of soft crumbs on random mobo tropes early d1 to troll and confuse people into maybe thinking i was champs im not in case there were assassins (turns out there may be!) but thats not even one of those that was just joke
well now we're never going to find out if vivax could have been spooked out of his claim And damn, never trusting lol sites again. What a bunch of bastards.
On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote: anyway afk until vivax' flip
This is scummy
how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho
On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:02 ritoky wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote: [quote] So are you voting alongside us/helping us for now so the game continues? I assume you just leave the game if you just get to where you want?
Is there anything that you're not telling us that can affect us in any particular way? Like can you recruit as some people were suggesting?
i need 1 or 2 mafia to die for enough phases to win i believe. i don't recruit, i don't get more votes, and i believe i disappear upon completing my objective.
i have a move + attack each day phase.
that's pretty much it. so yes i need to town side.
Who wants to CC ritoky? because otherwise I advocate straight up ignoring him until we clear out a couple mafia.
I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him
idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e.
wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys
On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote: He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia.
On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote: WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman
Probs mafia team
so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me.
On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote: I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day
have you tried KISSing yet
I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax
On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
Clues: There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.
and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?
Why would town use no lynch that day? There is no town motivation to do so.
There is Mafia motivation to do so. What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia
What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
Who cares? Vivax IS scum...
Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.
gut feels from least likely to most: SL, BM(seems too uninvested, claims to not even do night actions), Hama(is he even still alive?), Acro, Skynx, Ritoky, Kurumi, as good as confirmed: GB, Luna, Vivax
On October 22 2016 11:49 Hopeless1der wrote: WoS, I'm not asking for you to give us the post itself, I'm asking the timestamp associated with the post/message that told you that you did take damage/ your KP was reduced. Surely you understand why I might give a shit about that, considering I'm keeping a record of claimed KP/HP/actions and you made a point of telling me you were "pristine".
On October 27 2016 05:39 sicklucker wrote: You guys need to respect each other man. I have completely checked out of this game which I have never done ever before. Everytime I make a post its berated by half the thread this game is the most cancer game I have ever been in.
But you're town. Keep playing plz. We're well on track to lynching scum. And we have more lined up for the next days too. Town gonna win!
On October 27 2016 06:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Or Lunatic. Forgot all about Lunatic. Lunatic or Kurumi? Which is the better shot?
Let's go Lunatic. We can kill him.
You still have your double-kill, right?
On October 27 2016 06:14 Koshi wrote: Does anybody know how to kill meepo? Do we lynch ritoky?
meepo according to doto dies if any meepo dies. He might switch hp between them, but actually only having one targetable per night seems a tad op, unless he has as good as no hp. So spreading kp amongst all meepos might work, or hitting one for more than dandel was able to last night. So the 40 dmg comes from gb? what a weird play.
On October 27 2016 06:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Or Lunatic. Forgot all about Lunatic. Lunatic or Kurumi? Which is the better shot?
I think Lunatic already took more damage. Funny story: yesterday I was almost certain Lunatic was my enemy and about to just shoot him in the face rather than actually checkin him, because some things made sense. But I checked him and the rest is history. Anyway, that means he's probably just scum.
Kurumi is playing even less than normal. Good chance he's also scum, but I wouldn't be surprised if he flips town or 5th party planar dragon.
so you checked Luna and just got back that he was not your enemy or what?
On October 27 2016 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'll just name the others. Juggernaut, Riki, Meepo, Oracle. We've already got a meepo claim from ritoky and an oracle claim from hopeless.
We had someone claim oracle iirc. And you want to be the last hit on them or what?
On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote: anyway afk until vivax' flip
This is scummy
how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho
On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote: [quote] Who wants to CC ritoky? because otherwise I advocate straight up ignoring him until we clear out a couple mafia.
I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him
idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e.
wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys
On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote: He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia.
On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote: WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman
Probs mafia team
so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me.
On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote: I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day
have you tried KISSing yet
I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax
On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
Clues: There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.
and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?
Why would town use no lynch that day? There is no town motivation to do so.
There is Mafia motivation to do so. What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia
What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
Who cares? Vivax IS scum...
Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.
This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.
If it is a one off ability, which i don't believe.
On October 26 2016 18:29 Dandel Ion wrote: [quote] how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho
[quote] idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e.
wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys
[quote] [quote] so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me.
[quote] have you tried KISSing yet
I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax
On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
Clues: There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.
and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?
Why would town use no lynch that day? There is no town motivation to do so.
There is Mafia motivation to do so. What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia
What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
Who cares? Vivax IS scum...
Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.
This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.
If it is a one off ability, which i don't believe.
On October 27 2016 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:25 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:15 Skynx wrote:[...] and i think there is only one 3p.
uhm yeah about that...
Oh you're one aswell? Nice nice 5v5v5v5 doto nice mod
aaaaaalmost how about u read thread, come back then oh and punch lunatic
now that sounds like a plan!
I don't follow you here. No-lynch is one off you say so it must be precious for mafia. Their motivation is to use it this early can only be explained by saving mafia members to have increased presence in the night.
That confirms Vivax as mafia.
I say no lynch is one off? No. Could it be? Maybe, but i don't think so. Any indication of Vivax' alignment from the no lynch is wifom.
and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?
Why would town use no lynch that day? There is no town motivation to do so.
There is Mafia motivation to do so. What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia
What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
Who cares? Vivax IS scum...
Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.
This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.
If it is a one off ability, which i don't believe.
On October 27 2016 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:25 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:15 Skynx wrote:[...] and i think there is only one 3p.
uhm yeah about that...
Oh you're one aswell? Nice nice 5v5v5v5 doto nice mod
aaaaaalmost how about u read thread, come back then oh and punch lunatic
now that sounds like a plan!
I don't follow you here. No-lynch is one off you say so it must be precious for mafia. Their motivation is to use it this early can only be explained by saving mafia members to have increased presence in the night.
That confirms Vivax as mafia.
I say no lynch is one off? No. Could it be? Maybe, but i don't think so. Any indication of Vivax' alignment from the no lynch is wifom.
If they have a regular cooldown no-lynch ability and you think using it doesn't confirm a lynch target mafia we might aswell give up this game right now...
Think simple man, no-lynch used to save the lynch target. Thats just the most logical assumption possible here not wifom.
so why would you (as mafia) not use a no-lynch mechanic as often as possible, even if the lynch is on a town?
On October 27 2016 21:07 Acrofales wrote: If scum has a multiple no-lynch ability the balance for this game is fucked. Forget it. It's a one-off. Probably like Lina's ultimate non-refundable if roleblocked too.
Oh, nice catch. Apparently didn't read her role pm well enough. But still, a one-off to deny two kills is still fine for mafia to use even if both are town, no?
On October 27 2016 21:20 Dandel Ion wrote: yes, but saving mafia gives bonus points
and at this point, i really dont think explaining to anybody why vivax was mafia is necessary. dude posted a Seal. make up your own funny stories if you really feel the need, or just accept things as they are.
I'm not saying Vivax is not mafia. I'm saying Vivax is mafia for reasons other than the no-lynch. Which really isn't important.
On October 27 2016 23:51 Acrofales wrote: Also, I won't ever be able to use my sentry ward, so I might as well tell everyone exactly how they work.
I received a sentry ward at the start of N2. I figured a townie gave it to me, but it might be the mods distribute items randomly. It is a one-off watcher ability that can onlybe used at night. It is returned if roleblocked and doesn't mention redirection at all. It can't be given away and counts as an action. If you talk about the item before using it, it disappears. The ward goes to the grave with me if i die.
I believe ritoky really is actually neutral 3p mainly because of the claim. Scum/SK wouldn't use a sentry ward if they got it, and koshi targeting himself panned out. Ritoky and koshi being in the same team could be, but given the heat on koshi, is stupidly risky play. So ritokynot scum.
Thanks! Also, to those that will still be alive when the voting happens: We need some votes off Vivax and on Luna. Currently its 10:2, something like 7:5 should be good? Or do you need even more votes, koshi?
On October 28 2016 01:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi, sorta here but watching blizzcon. Should I switch to luna y/n?
yes, unless too many switch. Are you here EoD?
On October 28 2016 01:53 Skynx wrote: Stay on Vivax ffs. Lunatic doesn't care so he's not gona defend, Koshi should be ignored he's just trying to stir shit up.
On October 26 2016 23:26 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
Why would town use no lynch that day? There is no town motivation to do so.
There is Mafia motivation to do so. What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia
What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
Who cares? Vivax IS scum...
Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.
This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.
If it is a one off ability, which i don't believe.
On October 27 2016 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:25 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:15 Skynx wrote:[...] and i think there is only one 3p.
uhm yeah about that...
Oh you're one aswell? Nice nice 5v5v5v5 doto nice mod
aaaaaalmost how about u read thread, come back then oh and punch lunatic
now that sounds like a plan!
I don't follow you here. No-lynch is one off you say so it must be precious for mafia. Their motivation is to use it this early can only be explained by saving mafia members to have increased presence in the night.
That confirms Vivax as mafia.
I say no lynch is one off? No. Could it be? Maybe, but i don't think so. Any indication of Vivax' alignment from the no lynch is wifom.
If they have a regular cooldown no-lynch ability and you think using it doesn't confirm a lynch target mafia we might aswell give up this game right now...
Think simple man, no-lynch used to save the lynch target. Thats just the most logical assumption possible here not wifom.
so why would you (as mafia) not use a no-lynch mechanic as often as possible, even if the lynch is on a town?
On October 28 2016 01:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi, sorta here but watching blizzcon. Should I switch to luna y/n?
yes, unless too many switch. Are you here EoD?
On October 28 2016 01:53 Skynx wrote: Stay on Vivax ffs. Lunatic doesn't care so he's not gona defend, Koshi should be ignored he's just trying to stir shit up.
have a free scum read
I mean I really have hard time comprehending you guys when we have confirmed scum alive and people wanna vote other wagons. On top of that I get sr when i suggest thats a bad idea.
ok, why exactly is having lunatic as a second wagon a bad idea?
On October 27 2016 00:34 Acrofales wrote: [quote] Who cares? Vivax IS scum...
Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.
This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.
If it is a one off ability, which i don't believe.
On October 27 2016 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:25 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote: [quote] uhm yeah about that...
Oh you're one aswell? Nice nice 5v5v5v5 doto nice mod
aaaaaalmost how about u read thread, come back then oh and punch lunatic
now that sounds like a plan!
I don't follow you here. No-lynch is one off you say so it must be precious for mafia. Their motivation is to use it this early can only be explained by saving mafia members to have increased presence in the night.
That confirms Vivax as mafia.
I say no lynch is one off? No. Could it be? Maybe, but i don't think so. Any indication of Vivax' alignment from the no lynch is wifom.
If they have a regular cooldown no-lynch ability and you think using it doesn't confirm a lynch target mafia we might aswell give up this game right now...
Think simple man, no-lynch used to save the lynch target. Thats just the most logical assumption possible here not wifom.
so why would you (as mafia) not use a no-lynch mechanic as often as possible, even if the lynch is on a town?
I'm still waiting for an answer on this.
On October 28 2016 02:04 Skynx wrote:
On October 28 2016 01:57 ptmc wrote:
On October 28 2016 01:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi, sorta here but watching blizzcon. Should I switch to luna y/n?
yes, unless too many switch. Are you here EoD?
On October 28 2016 01:53 Skynx wrote: Stay on Vivax ffs. Lunatic doesn't care so he's not gona defend, Koshi should be ignored he's just trying to stir shit up.
I mean I really have hard time comprehending you guys when we have confirmed scum alive and people wanna vote other wagons. On top of that I get sr when i suggest thats a bad idea.
ok, why exactly is having lunatic as a second wagon a bad idea?
1) Its not a bad idea, no-lynch benefits mafia almost always, especially D2. But first, that was not the point of that whole conversation and 2nd it is as Acro and I mentioned, most likely to be single use ability, if not we're fucked anyway and we should prolly call gg cuz they can just save Koshi/Lunatic tomorrow even if it has some phase cooldown.
2) Technically none. Its about the psychologic part of the game. When everyone votes for Vivax and he flips mafia, it means everything is going well for town and we just continue our path by lynching Koshi/Lunatic. Whats gona happen right now with 4 votes on Luna is that, Vivax gona flip mafia, some people gona accuse Lunatic voters for stupid reasons etc. and much unnecessary drama and town is gona get more lost which is exactly what mafia is aiming for.
TL;DR: everyone voting Vivax=undisputable result phase where town can simply move on to next objective.
1) The point of the discussion was that vivax is not confirmed scum because of the no lynch, and it still holds. 2) So killing Lunatic now just puts us ahead in our plan and gives a better read on Koshi. You just sound scummier by the minute, mate.
On October 28 2016 02:32 Skynx wrote: Like literally, imagine the koshi double lynch claim bs never happened, do you have any reason to doubt that no-lynch only happened to ensure Vivax survives another day?
of course the no lynch only happened so that vivax survived another day (disregarding the possible double). but how does that make vivax scum? It is just one more cycle with one more mafia either way (unless the mafia are scum read and killed off in a relatively earlier cycle because of the extra time to fuck up)
On October 28 2016 05:30 ExO_ wrote: Kurumi just switched votes to Vivax, but as far as I can tell isn't saying anything in the thread.
Not that there's any way Vivax gets off the hook today I just found it odd that Kurumi would even bother to switch back to the Vivax wagon with so little time left
On October 28 2016 05:30 ExO_ wrote: Kurumi just switched votes to Vivax, but as far as I can tell isn't saying anything in the thread.
Not that there's any way Vivax gets off the hook today I just found it odd that Kurumi would even bother to switch back to the Vivax wagon with so little time left
On October 28 2016 04:57 Kurumi wrote:
On October 28 2016 04:56 iamperfection wrote:
On October 28 2016 04:55 Kurumi wrote: anything I should know of?
Yeah your wasting your vote
It doesn't really matter, does it? Well, where should I put it then to prevent shenanigans?
On October 28 2016 04:58 Bill Murray wrote: Put it on vivax or lunatic
On October 28 2016 04:59 Kurumi wrote: Okay. Anything else?
On October 28 2016 03:09 ptmc wrote:
On October 28 2016 03:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 28 2016 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 28 2016 02:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: kk switching to Luna. I'll be here around EoD. ##Unvote ##Vote Lunaticman
Should I switch my attack to Kurumi in case Lunatic gets shafted through this?
IF GB dies in the next little while, sure.
wat? do you read the thread?
sometimes i feel like i'm the only one, for real
RIP my reading skills
i guess that's what i'm here for now. And annoying skynx.
Lunaticman, as Arc Warden has transcended time and space.
Starting Night 1 the following ability becomes available: Flux An infinitesimal fraction of the power which imprisoned the Ancients. Alignment check a player of your choosing. Unfortunately this power is somewhat unstable working only on Radiant Heroes. An attempted check on a Dire Hero will return: Dire. This ability can be roleblocked, but not redirected. This ability can only be used in night phases. Please submit a PM to the main host account as: ##Flux: disformation
well, that might have been useful. What's your hero, Koshi?
On October 29 2016 01:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: One of my abilities is basically a greencheck on someone. I can instakill someone and I doubt that's on a mafia but I'm gonna sit on it for now. Prob punching Skynx.
EPT
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