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ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 15 2016 09:17 GMT
#83
On October 15 2016 07:12 Koshi wrote:
/in

I am actually extremely busy though.


#2
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 15 2016 10:14 GMT
#85
actually /in
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 08:07 GMT
#421
On October 20 2016 08:04 iamperfection wrote:
im reporting whatever host came up with my ult.

Looking at my role for me to be effective i'm gonna need some heals.

I have been struggling to think of which is the best way to approach this game with the ultra complicated roles like this. Usually i think town goes to willy nilly with information in these types of games but since our roles seems so complicated i feel some coordination is going to be needed to kill some scum.


At least you got an ult -.-
Are you radiant or dire?
And I guess there are dire town as well as radiant scum, right?
I liked Exo_s posts, but I don't necessarily know if claiming a healer is bad in this setup, since you might also somehow have to end up next to your heal-target on the list to actually heal. That might be hard without coordinating.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 08:14 GMT
#423
On October 20 2016 15:55 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 09:41 Bill Murray wrote:
Plus we can see who is gonna read ... or at least how many aren't

I read your poll, but didn't vote. Does that screw things up?

me neither

But anyway, good morning. Most notable thing that happened is Iamperfection role fishing. He complains about his role needing healing. And then starts regarding about coordinating claims. So much angst about how to enter the thread he forgets that town way of killing scum is by lynching them. Scum are the ones that depend entirely on roles.



##unvote
##vote: Iamperfection


The WoS/ExO_ gives me a slight town read on Exo: scum reveal their revelations in scumchat. If he were scum and had uncovered a breadcrumb, he wouldn't be yelling so in the thread. It's also far less significant than he thinks. WoS could have been given any of the characters with a shadow (shaman, fiend, etc.) Or even wave (morphing). Still neutral on WoS: defense is not indicative of alignment.[/QUOTE]
Or QoP
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 08:23 GMT
#426
I agree with that, yes. Imo, he should just have stuck with his claim and it might have been useful to town (if he is town). Like this, it definitely doesn't help town. I'm not sure if your idea of him wanting to use the doctor claim late game really was his reasoning, but I fail to see a good reasoning anyhow.

## Vote WaveofShadow
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 09:23 GMT
#432
On October 20 2016 18:08 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 11:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm honestly baffled anyone would think I'd come out and fully claim my role what, two hours into a heavily themed game with all sorts of shit flyin' around at any given moment?

I'm stunned speechless.
Silent, even.

Claim dazzle --> You might not be mafia. Even though softclaiming a healer is extremely mafia behavior.

Yes, but might make sense with all other abilities and possible necessary coordination, that is not present in a regular game.

Claim anything else --> You are mafia.

which is what he did later


Atm I am going to think you are dazzle and you made this post to cover up your "stupidity".

what about where he started claiming "anything else"?


If I have to explain myself:
Town!WoS sees his role have "wa

i feel like somethings missing here
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 09:26 GMT
#435
On October 20 2016 18:23 Koshi wrote:
EBWOB (dnu why it posted it when I just alt tabbed):

Town!WoS sees his role have "wave of shadow" and happy as a child makes a post about it. Gets rekt by Exo and backtracks on his claim because he understands he made a mistake. Town!WoS clearly did not made the claim to bait scum shooting him. So being silly is the only acceptable explanation.


But back-tracking serves nothing here. If he is dazzle and town, we have some very powerful abilities that we can use for the good of town. And even then, if he fails to help town with them (like we say grave a town-read guy with low hp or sth.) we can still lynch him as mafia.
Back-tracking just tries to take focus off of him for no reason imo.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 09:27 GMT
#437
On October 20 2016 18:25 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 18:22 Acrofales wrote:
Getting scum vibes off Koshi. Based on my recall from a 2-y.o. meta, that means he's probably town.

Also #dedgaem

That doesn't make any sense.


maybe he always misreads you as town?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 09:28 GMT
#438
On October 20 2016 18:27 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 18:23 ptmc wrote:

Claim anything else --> You are mafia.

which is what he did later

Yeah, but he is probably just dazzle.


so why not stick to his claim?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 09:50 GMT
#445
On October 20 2016 18:47 Koshi wrote:
Hmm I am going to lynch all people that fakeclaim or fake crumb as well. I can't have that shit. The game might be breakable on D3/4 if we mass claim. So people who fakeclaimed at that point will get instant lynched.

I have seen crumbs already. There is 0 reason to do it as town. Just shut up.

Also, try to crumb better than literally saying what your ulti is.


if you mean me: my in-game hero has an ult, it just got balanced out of this game
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 11:57 GMT
#544
On October 20 2016 20:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 16:37 Lunaticman wrote:
/in

but please pm me before it starts.

Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 19:32 Lunaticman wrote:
I just can't handle more of Koshi's platitudes. Obvious scum play as usual.

#Vote Koshi

100% of Lunatic's filter, and he's gone again. That's either huge disinterest or scummy.


This reads a lot like the newbie-game where he was scum and just stepped into the thread with an obvious town-read on stutters without anything to back it up tbh.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 17:08 GMT
#796
On October 21 2016 01:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
lets talk ptmc's #544 (soz cant link atm just look it up bois it his last post)
i thought it was fine at first but i like it less and less

basically repeats btdts content with something thats not exactly relevant to the situation but that looks like it is.


how is it not relevant to the situation? It's pretty much the exact same thing he did in the newbie-game, just that he chose to hard scum-read instead of hard town-read this time.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 17:18 GMT
#798
I have to say that Lunatics later posts both substantiated his scum read and gave some other reads, so he's off my lynch immediately pile.
I still don't like Wave tho. Lots of filler, wrong mechanics discussion (that he at least acknowledges). Gonna check out his two scum reads now.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 17:29 GMT
#803
On October 21 2016 02:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 02:08 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 01:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
lets talk ptmc's #544 (soz cant link atm just look it up bois it his last post)
i thought it was fine at first but i like it less and less

basically repeats btdts content with something thats not exactly relevant to the situation but that looks like it is.


how is it not relevant to the situation? It's pretty much the exact same thing he did in the newbie-game, just that he chose to hard scum-read instead of hard town-read this time.

do you think koshi is 'obviously' mafia then? Better question, that he was obviously mafia at the time?

because what you're describing is following thread sentiment, and while the thread may have that sentiment now, it didn't at the time it was posted. (plenty people said they'd like to kill koshi on principle, not really because he's scum tho)


What does me thinking if Koshi is mafia have to do with it?
At the time I did have him as a town lean, although he fell of at the end. Someone with meta-reads might make something more of it, but I can't.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 17:31 GMT
#804
At the end being after Lunatics first post.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 17:36 GMT
#811
On October 21 2016 02:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 02:29 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:08 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 01:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
lets talk ptmc's #544 (soz cant link atm just look it up bois it his last post)
i thought it was fine at first but i like it less and less

basically repeats btdts content with something thats not exactly relevant to the situation but that looks like it is.


how is it not relevant to the situation? It's pretty much the exact same thing he did in the newbie-game, just that he chose to hard scum-read instead of hard town-read this time.

do you think koshi is 'obviously' mafia then? Better question, that he was obviously mafia at the time?

because what you're describing is following thread sentiment, and while the thread may have that sentiment now, it didn't at the time it was posted. (plenty people said they'd like to kill koshi on principle, not really because he's scum tho)


What does me thinking if Koshi is mafia have to do with it?
At the time I did have him as a town lean, although he fell of at the end. Someone with meta-reads might make something more of it, but I can't.

well if you didn't think so, and the thread didn't think so the read was hardly obvious was it


Which is exactly what I called Lunatic out for? Like I don't get what you are saying?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 17:38 GMT
#814
On October 21 2016 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Anyone wanna lynch tolk?

Also Johannes what did you want before


He hasn't really done anything so far, if that doesn't change he's as good as any policy lynch imo.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 17:44 GMT
#820
On October 21 2016 02:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Anyone wanna lynch tolk?

Also Johannes what did you want before

its over

Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 02:36 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:29 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:08 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 01:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
lets talk ptmc's #544 (soz cant link atm just look it up bois it his last post)
i thought it was fine at first but i like it less and less

basically repeats btdts content with something thats not exactly relevant to the situation but that looks like it is.


how is it not relevant to the situation? It's pretty much the exact same thing he did in the newbie-game, just that he chose to hard scum-read instead of hard town-read this time.

do you think koshi is 'obviously' mafia then? Better question, that he was obviously mafia at the time?

because what you're describing is following thread sentiment, and while the thread may have that sentiment now, it didn't at the time it was posted. (plenty people said they'd like to kill koshi on principle, not really because he's scum tho)


What does me thinking if Koshi is mafia have to do with it?
At the time I did have him as a town lean, although he fell of at the end. Someone with meta-reads might make something more of it, but I can't.

well if you didn't think so, and the thread didn't think so the read was hardly obvious was it


Which is exactly what I called Lunatic out for? Like I don't get what you are saying?


no? the opposite:
Show nested quote +

This reads a lot like the newbie-game where he was scum and just stepped into the thread with an obvious town-read on stutters without anything to back it up tbh.


yes, instead of randomly town-reading he randomly scum-read. It doesn't make it the opposite tho.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 17:54 GMT
#823
On October 21 2016 02:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 02:44 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Anyone wanna lynch tolk?

Also Johannes what did you want before

its over

On October 21 2016 02:36 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:29 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:08 ptmc wrote:
On October 21 2016 01:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
lets talk ptmc's #544 (soz cant link atm just look it up bois it his last post)
i thought it was fine at first but i like it less and less

basically repeats btdts content with something thats not exactly relevant to the situation but that looks like it is.


how is it not relevant to the situation? It's pretty much the exact same thing he did in the newbie-game, just that he chose to hard scum-read instead of hard town-read this time.

do you think koshi is 'obviously' mafia then? Better question, that he was obviously mafia at the time?

because what you're describing is following thread sentiment, and while the thread may have that sentiment now, it didn't at the time it was posted. (plenty people said they'd like to kill koshi on principle, not really because he's scum tho)


What does me thinking if Koshi is mafia have to do with it?
At the time I did have him as a town lean, although he fell of at the end. Someone with meta-reads might make something more of it, but I can't.

well if you didn't think so, and the thread didn't think so the read was hardly obvious was it


Which is exactly what I called Lunatic out for? Like I don't get what you are saying?


no? the opposite:

This reads a lot like the newbie-game where he was scum and just stepped into the thread with an obvious town-read on stutters without anything to back it up tbh.


yes, instead of randomly town-reading he randomly scum-read. It doesn't make it the opposite tho.

....

please explain how his read on koshi was obvious if you leaned town on him. thanks.


If his read had been obvious it wouldn't have been something to call him out on. Am I not writing this clearly enough?
He made a 100% obvious definitive read in the newbie-game in his first post without any reasoning. This is exactly how he started here.
His read was not obvious to me, that is my whole point.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 20 2016 18:04 GMT
#824
On October 21 2016 02:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ughhhhhh game is boring
Can't wait for night phase

I guess I'll make a short list of KP targets for later we should all follow

And if people don't trust me then we can get acro or Dandel or somebody people like to agree with me


Oh also everyone needs to claim damage at phase change

Oh also I dunno I can't think of anything to say I just want to post



Yeah, I agree with the claim damage.
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