[T] Dota 2 Mafia - Page 5

On October 25 2016 19:53 beentheredonethat wrote:

Acro, ptmc, as you stay on a hard Koshi scumread, please elaborate in a big case post which we can evaluate. I am not able to put the work in right now as I'm on lunch break at work - and I'd really like to see where exactly there is inconsistency.

Koshi, please put in the work and summarize in a clean and readable and insult-free post what exactly your passive is, who attacked you and claimed to have received 5 damage, and let me know why you were so shit D1.

Please, Koshi, if you're town, don't refuse this.

On October 25 2016 20:14 beentheredonethat wrote:

Bad reading comprehension on my part. I read "There's literally no consistency in it". But you wrote "There's literally no inconsistency in it". My bad.

On October 26 2016 01:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
So, main wagon is Tictock. Fine. Second wagon is Koshi, assumed town!Koshi.

That makes a total of 7 votes that are outside of the main wagons, not committing to anything.
People voting outside of wagons are:
Hamazura, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, Kurumi, WaveOfShadow, ptmc, ExO_, Glowingbear.

The thing is that we have literally 1, and only one confirmed town on the Tictock wagon. The other kill was a replacement that did not vote.

ptmc, why did you stay on WoS during D1?
Kurumi, WoS, why did you vote Lord Tolkien at that time?
ExO_, why did you vote Dandel and rode it through although it was not happening?
GB, why ritoky? Why not a main wagon?
HamazuraXTakitsubo, why did you leave your vote on Lunaticman?

Sadly, only ptmc and maybe WoS will probably answer those questions as the rest is afk, not interested, or scum.

On October 26 2016 01:22 sicklucker wrote:
also it looks like this 5 dmg thing was a mafia aoe attack. (no town has claimed it. I did not recieve damage like koshi says because I didnt attack him)

This means the people who are in the area are most likely town. bill wos me art iamp? and should be offlimits today and a scum claim if you attack them

On October 26 2016 01:50 sicklucker wrote:
someone really needs to keep an pudated track of playerlist movements on a single page with what date it changed for situations like this. town points~

On October 26 2016 07:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
also

Players:
1 Bill Murray
2 Rels replaced by Artanis[Xp]
3 Koshi
4 iamperfection
5 Skynx
6 beentheredonethat
7 Lunaticman
8 HamazuraXTakitsubo
9 Dandel Ion
10 Koroko
11 ExO_
12 Acrofales
13 Kurumi
14 Hopeless1der
15 Vivax
16 ritoky
17 Tubesock
18 ptmc
19 GlowingBear
20 Lord Tolkien
21 sicklucker
22 WaveofShadow

Players:
1 Rels replaced by Artanis[Xp]
2 Koshi
3 iamperfection
4 Skynx
5 Lunaticman
6 ptmc
7 HamazuraXTakitsubo
8 Dandel Ion
9 Koroko
10 ExO_
11 Acrofales
12 Kurumi
13 Hopeless1der
14 Vivax
15 Bill Murray
16sicklucker
17 ritoky
18 Tubesock
19 GlowingBear
20 WaveofShadow


BM -> sicklucker
ptmc -> lunatic
sl -> vivax
seem to be the only movements?

On October 26 2016 06:37 disformation wrote:

Starting Day 3 the following ability becomes available:
Track
Using his elevated senses of sight and smell, Gondar's hits have quite a good chance of success.
Track target player. This can be roleblocked, but not redirected.
Cooldown - One phase. I.e. if you use this ability you can't use it the next phase. It becomes available again the phase after the next.
Please submit a PM to the main host account as:
##Track: disformation

On October 26 2016 09:31 iamperfection wrote:

has to be cool-down or it be a one off on that shit so it shouldnt matter find out if koshi is lying or kill 2 scum right

On October 26 2016 15:49 ExO_ wrote:
The first thing I notice is this. On day 1 we had:

+ Show Spoiler +

HF came in and voted TT, and then you have iamp, Tubesock, Dandel, Ritoky all within 5 minutes of each other. This made him the lead wagon at 7 votes, with lunatic man being 2nd closest at 3. Tubesock then bails for Koshi, a few other random votes happen, before BM/Koshi/bndt all come in to seal the deal.

On day 2 Vivax was basically a lock, before lunatic started really picking up some steam. TS says some really interesting things in this time period:

+ Show Spoiler +

The really interesting thing here is these posts are about 50 minutes apart. Instead of seeing something then drawing a conclusion based on what he saw, TS first drew the conclusion that lunaticman is town, then found the evidence to back it up.

I find TS highly suspicious.He hops off the Vivax wagon (after being the first to vote him), and then he hops off the TT wagon day 1 as soon as it got a majority. He defends lunaticman as the lunatic wagon is gaining steam on day 2. And then surprise No lynch on day 2. I think this heavily implicates Tubesock. I could see Lunaticman being either scum or town here. It makes a lot more sense to me if Lunaticman is scum, as it would explain why day 2 ends without a lynch with the threat of Koshi's Double lynch. However for me to accept this idea Koshi has to be telling the truth. I can't stand playing with Koshi b/c of how intolerable he is to everyone. It makes me think he's a lying and scum even when he is telling the truth.

On the other side of the coin, I could also see TS making a case for Lunaticman in an attempt to earn towncred for later. But then I'm left with the question: why did day 2 end without a lynch? Maybe scum didn't end the day maybe it was a 3rd party role? Or maybe Vivax is scum and the move was purely to keep him alive?...hmmm I'm not sure.

Either way, my initial thoughts are that TS looks very scummy to me. I think I'm gonna check out Koshi now. But I think TS is my strongest scum read after Vivax.

On October 26 2016 13:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
My thoughts on Koshi:


So i feel the need to say that the fact that Koshi failed to produce a double lynch is not *necessarily* his fault. He proclaimed it to the world and it got struck down.

A) he thought it was nearly foolproof (and is town)
B) he's scum
C) hes 3p (super unlikely, this is only here for the sake of addressing all options...at this point Planar Dragon is a thing)

So, while it'd be great to be able to just lynch him and be done with it, the flavor/end of the day strongly suggests the presence of Balanar (nightstalker). If we are approaching LYLO/MYLO territory, then sure lets get rid of him on the chance the he is in fact responsible for causing the no-lynch. However, I still think Koshi is more likely town than scum and I dont want to remove him, especially since he claims to have taken so much damage and is liable to die to random aoe damage without our intervention anyways, so we dont need to look at him for lynch for a couple days imo..

I'll spend more time worrying about the rest of the game after Vivax dies, but I at least want to say that I think Koshi is town atm. If I die in the meantime, oh welp, I'm not that strong imo, so not a huge deal to me. I've been hitting acro, 'protecting' lamp and annoying dandel so far this game.

On October 26 2016 13:08 GlowingBear wrote:
We were probably hitting Mafia yesterday. Darkness indicates it

On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:

Clues:
There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.

On October 26 2016 16:09 Acrofales wrote:


Too many mental gymnastics. They stopped the lynch to prevent Vivax from getting lynched, and obviously frustrating the hell out of town. Added bonus, if koshi is town then they have a double reason to no-lynch: wasting town ultimates is always good for scum.

@koshi: can you confirm you still have your vote-damage/double lynch ability?

If so, i trust WoS and we need a 2nd wagon on gb by the end of the day.

On October 26 2016 15:14 sicklucker wrote:


i also checked his hp and its low. have at er boys

On October 26 2016 09:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
##vote: Vivax

My list as of last night still stands, except without the giant bold red letters on sicklucker.
Assuming most (if not all) of the town believes I am town as well, why exactly did so many people still shoot into LT tonight? I suppose I can't blame you guys entirely, but Tubesock you especially (assuming you did the brunt of the damage) wasting a massive KP for town on him when I didn't list him as scum----especially when you've had me hard town forever? Bleh.

Anyway, THIS LIST, in case people have ignored it so far:

Vivax
Glowingbear
Lunatic
Kurumi
Exo
Hamazura (???)
Artanis
sicklucker
Koshi


They all need to die. In something like this order, preferably. (I added Exo)

Glowingbear is scum.
I have confirmed this, and no, you don't need to know how.
Why am I claiming this now when Vivax is already up?
In case other people have some daytime stuff we can do to remove him. I'd give Koshi a chance here to do his thing today, but the reason he is on the list, is as I stated last night, it is nearly impossible to tell if he performed the no lynch action himself or if it was instigated by scum. If he is able to do it again today, we'll obviously know but until he proves himself town somehow (since a secret vote-damage-killing ability is not even remotely solely pro-town like he says) he needs to be on the block. As I believe he is likely at low life, this shouldn't be difficult.

There are probably one or two people I'm missing and maybe someone who's wrong on there. The lurk makes things fairly difficult, but I don't believe I am massively wrong. The people who are under some amount of suspicion like Ritoky (who I have zero reason not to believe his claim), Skynx, Tubesock and Bill Murray I am fine with.

As far as sicklucker---ugh. What I said about him last night is basically true. He's in Koshi tier right now because I can't be absolutely certain he isn't being the ballsiest scum ever---I could swear he has flat out claimed or made massive fakeclaims as scum before and had it work out for him. I don't know why I think this either but I'm not going to do the legwork involved. If somebody else wants to they're more than welcome. In any case, probabyl low priority right now but eventually he may have to be removed.

Iamp you're in HF tier for me right now---that is I'm a little paranoid. You're universally townread I believe and since you can't be 3P anymore (probably) the fact that you're still alive and mostly unscathed is concerning, but not to such a degree that I;m willing to even remotely focus on you above anyone else I've listed. Just some thoughts for the future (and I say HF tier because I'm sure you could be thinking the same about me if you're town---this is how HF and I play every game together. Neither of us ever truly trust the other.)

I can't be certain if protection was used on me last night (well I can, but you guys don't need to know how I'd know that either) but I didn't take any damage. Don't claim if you helped me out.

Random thoughts:
Scum KP likely works (I hope) similarly to how I did it in LoL mafia. There is likely some large amount of factional KP (whether this has to be delivered is a hosting choice I guess, and only somewhat relevant right now), and hopefully this can be reduced once we finally start picking them off. I would say if they can somehow prevent Vivax from dying AGAIN today we're probably super fucked because it seems as though they decided to chunk a few people last night instead of outright killing any one person just in case of protection. As such, use protection accordingly.

I should be able to do a bunch more going forward assuming I'm not silenced again or somebody does something real derpy.

I know this was kinda disjointed but I wanted to get some thoughts out while they were somewhat fresh.
There might be more.

On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.

On October 26 2016 20:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Removing would be an apt way of putting it.

On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'

On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

That you save a lynch on them?

On October 26 2016 20:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Or you can just help me achieve my objectives and I'll disappear from the game whilst not having to waste a lynch on someone who will never flip scum in a game where not a single scum has died yet. That might be a better idea.

You lynch them if they don't agree.

On October 26 2016 20:40 Koshi wrote:
I healed myself. Shouldn't really count as me visiting myself but w.e I guess.
Not sure if I believe ritokys claim but at least I correctly read him as not town. Really suspicious I got hit so much each day and now suddenly nobody comes to finish me off when there is a watcher ward on me. Could be that mafia tried to frame a townie killing me.

I still have my double lynch but it can probably be stopped by mafia. I am 100% sure I got stunned yesterday and that the people around me attacked me. Even if you don't believe me, it is what happened. It makes too much sense. btdt flipped town and CONFIRMED getting 5 damage D1, N1, D2 each time he attacked me. iamp and artanis CONFIRMED getting 5 damage D2. For me it is CONFIRMED I got hit for 30ish D2 alone. What else can it be?

##vote Vivax

For me the core of the mafia team is still Skynx/Luna/Vivax.



PS I still have to read some pages but wanted to make a quick post.

On October 26 2016 20:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

If there's a bunch of lynchbait like Kurumi and GB around, you make them claim their roles and I hit one whilst town lynches the other.

On October 26 2016 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Meh, I guess. I can just keep shooting who town wants me to shoot and hope it's people on my deathlist. Should be easy to make sure I'm keeping my part of the bargain.

On October 26 2016 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm pretty annoyed with the lack of discussion of the stuff I posted.

Especially the vote count thing.

Does everyone really just agree with me blindly? I mean that's cool and all but I'm not really used to it.

On October 26 2016 20:59 ptmc wrote:


The vote count looks decent, but there are some more constellations that would make sense. I agree with the top of your list, have no reason (yet) to doubt you on GB so I don't have a lot to discuss. Is there something specific you would want to talk about?

On October 26 2016 21:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
my feedback would be that it looks very neat and coordinated, but if that is the scumteam they're definitely neither of those things

so if you're right on the people (which is possible) i doubt it's because of this

On October 26 2016 21:36 Koshi wrote:
ritoky claims that placing an item that he got from the hosts costed his entire turn? I find that hard to believe.

On October 23 2016 02:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, I remember a guy that said I was playing like my most recent town meta, which made him think I was town. I don't remember if it was Tubesock or Tictock. At first it seemed genuine but now I think it reeks TMI. If it was TT then it was genuine LOL.

On October 24 2016 10:50 GlowingBear wrote:


If you skim my filter you'll notice I'm out of time
Also, recent meta shows that you're wrong. I don't have meta. That's a fact

On October 25 2016 02:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Wtf how am I not playinf the game, I'm postibg here every couple if hours and I already gave reads I'VE got.

I'm not being useless, I'm giving bits of information every time.

I already said I think ptmc is town.
I now think Artanis is town based on meta - I don't think this is the way he plays as mafia, he is not too try hard and he is not accusing people and sticking to that argument without rethinking them. His approach on me looks pretty townie IMO.
I also think Koshi might be town, his posts seems very fluid with not so much thought put on them.

Ritoky is a question mark. He doesn't seem very interested into solving the game. Could be mafia.

Acrofales was very invested in the game, but his efforts kinda dropped. He was (or is) one of the most active players in the game, but I don't see him putting effort into actually having his targets lynched. Yes, I know Vivax is getting lynched, but I don't remember him being thoughtful about the future cycles.

Iamp may be town and I can be paranoid, but I think I have a solid argument on him being town.

I haven't read Skynx's post with much attention but I have a gut feeling he could be mafia. I can't explain why. It's a feeling.

That's all I have for now

On October 23 2016 02:44 GlowingBear wrote:


I don't have scum reads. I've barely read the thread tbh. From times to times I come to the thread and try to get impressions from posts.

I am a bit suspicious of Ritoky because Ritoky knows how my mind as mafia works and this is definitely not how I play as Mafia. But I don't have stronger grounds on him. Nothing really stands out as scummy from his posts. His gifs gave me a bad impression in the beginning of the game, but that is very weak to form a scumread on someone.

In the other hand, Holyflare had the same impression as me, so a mindmeld occurred. That made me think Holyflare is town.

I saw a genuine post from a guy that I forgot his username. I even quoted it. And now I think iamperfection comes from a very townie POV. So there's that.

On October 24 2016 22:11 GlowingBear wrote:


Wave, there's a huge problem in people's suspucions on me: their suspicions are based on me being useless. It is right that effort is a town trait, but lack of effort isn't, per se, a scum trait.

You're basically calling scum every lurker.

On October 25 2016 05:51 GlowingBear wrote:


Just did

Btw I'm rethinking ritoky. He may be mafia, after all. I think I'll check his fikter by the night

On October 26 2016 21:46 Koshi wrote:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm ok then. That is just weird though. Why force somebody to waste a turn?