[M][N] Murder on the Cruise Trip Mafia

On October 01 2016 19:18 marvellosity wrote:

Swingy is fine. Town loses a ml if they hit town and don't gain one if they hit mafia

Could make the cop parity in setup 4 though

On October 04 2016 20:36 marvellosity wrote:

no, i get that, but to vote him you have to think he does that as mafia otherwise you would also find it townie, hence the baying mob asking for you to provide an example of him doing such a thing as mafia. It doesn't have to be exactly that even, but if you can provide an example of him doing something weird to try to confirm himself when he's mafia, that would be lovely.

if you can't, you should be able to see why hf and whoever else is getting on your bum, it's just logic

On October 04 2016 20:41 marvellosity wrote:

you may as well provide it for the sake of completeness :p

tbh i don't think your vote on him looks very good, but on the other hand I know it's very easy to have your own thoughts and make sweeping statements about players you know without being able to back it up very well.

On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol.

On October 04 2016 21:02 marvellosity wrote:

For the sake of argument, why would he try force a read on the one person who can most easily rebut him ?

On October 04 2016 22:11 Superbia wrote:


Wow! I am hurt.

HF.
Palmar.

66.67%

On October 04 2016 22:17 Calix wrote:


What the fuck kind of logic is that? You ask questions to pry into someone's thought processes which you are STILL NOT EXPLAINING.

You stated "Calix is scummy"

You voted for Superbia.

You did not state a scum-read on Superbia.

Why the fuck are you not explaining your vote?

If it's 'lul randum xD' then why are you random-voting over a scum-read?

On October 04 2016 23:19 marvellosity wrote:

maybe shit power wolves where you come from.

here people have brains (he says tentatively)

like seriously, no-one is going to lynch someone at someone's word like that without asking for proof. i'm shocked anyone at your homesite would get away with it because "please show me evidence" is pretty strong tictac

On October 04 2016 21:02 marvellosity wrote:

For the sake of argument, why would he try force a read on the one person who can most easily rebut him ?

On October 04 2016 22:24 Superbia wrote:


I'm looking forward to ignoring the forced read.

On October 04 2016 22:44 Calix wrote:


I can't help you out much, lol. I didn't have a read on him with those posts because he said he was planning on lurking on Day 1 in the pre-game so while repeating that is redundant, I just read them as generic "check-in" posts.

On October 04 2016 23:28 marvellosity wrote:
like my question was 100% legit, if i start making shit up about someone i know well on here, i'm gonna get called out on it and it's a lot more trouble than its worth

hence my question to you asking why he would call you out on something that isn't true / he can't prove

that's why i ask the question

On October 04 2016 23:32 marvellosity wrote:

i can't be bothered to explain if you can't just read the few posts preceding this where i quoted you directly saying "i don't get why you asked the question"

anyway

##Vote: Palmar

Highest % mafia right now

On October 04 2016 23:41 marvellosity wrote:


He's rolled mafia a lot lately

He signed up minutes after me, after I haven't played in 4 months, makes a comment about enjoying playing with me

Decides not to engage

Don't like it. Think he'd want to at least play with me. Think lurking is a good way for him to hide because people say things like you just did.

Obviously this is all just conjecture / my feelings but I like it

On October 04 2016 23:46 marvellosity wrote:

Inconclusively town.

Don't think his calix push was particularly shit flingy

On October 05 2016 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:

Seemed like the right thing to do at the time. Who do you suggest instead?

On October 05 2016 02:33 marvellosity wrote:
Still want to know why superbia phrased his question to me like there wasn't a shadow of doubt calix is town

On October 05 2016 02:37 marvellosity wrote:

But I don't care what you want, whereas what you wrote suggests knowledge of alignments

Like the fact he is town was the premise, it wasn't even a debatable point

On October 05 2016 05:03 Damdred wrote:


I said it was not bad, and sometimes my mind changes when I am,just spouting out opinions and dwelling deeper.

Doesn't always have to make sense just to me. I understand the sentiment though

@Super that wasn't you pressuring marv imo that was as I out it poking at marv and you should know harboring accomplish much. Also unless my memory is wrong you were pressuring,marv who was starting to,bring the pressure on your scum read palmar... Not sure why marv deserves pressure for going after someone you scum read.

And mind you someone who marv is great friends with and has a super long history of not going after as scum. (For the most part)
So what was marv doing to deserve pressyre?

On October 05 2016 05:09 marvellosity wrote:

No one gives a shit because it was and is irrelevant, dear

On October 05 2016 05:14 marvellosity wrote:

I'm a dick, that's why I was doing it. You should have played with me enough to know I might do that sort of thing

On October 05 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote:
And really if you think the best way to get a handle on marv is poking him just doesn't work like that tbh

On October 05 2016 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:

Lol wait wait you really need to expand on this. Cause it's really important

On October 05 2016 20:33 marvellosity wrote:
And jat is frightfully dull. I also have less time than historically (hence first game in 4 months) but at least I say things occasionally interesting while i'm here

On October 05 2016 20:35 marvellosity wrote:
also yeah, jat's push on Stutters looks quite bad.

On October 06 2016 03:35 marvellosity wrote:
i'm on page 51 and the lynch on calix seems fine, gonna chill my vote on bats though.

good chance maf maf i suppose

On October 06 2016 03:35 marvellosity wrote:
i'm on page 51 and the lynch on calix seems fine, gonna chill my vote on bats though.

good chance maf maf i suppose

On October 06 2016 03:37 marvellosity wrote:
although now i'm preferring batsnacks more

i really think there's a much lower percentage of the time bats is town than calix

On October 06 2016 03:40 marvellosity wrote:

thought HF had a compelling post, can't now remember what it said. some 3 point thing

something about being around a lot but only being reactive particularly.

but vote bats.

On October 06 2016 03:43 marvellosity wrote:

we never agree on anything koshi

palmar can be anything, sadly i don't know yet

On October 06 2016 03:44 marvellosity wrote:

then vote bats

On October 06 2016 03:45 Calix wrote:
Fuck Palmar, what about JAT? Has he even done anything townie this game aside from compare himself to his town games?

I looked at Palmar's filter and he actually has some okayish posts in there.

I'm not saying that they're amazing contributions - we're talking about the Town Tard here - but there is some effort there imo.

On October 06 2016 03:47 Koshi wrote:

Traitor!!!!

On October 06 2016 03:49 marvellosity wrote:

how is it?

On October 06 2016 03:52 marvellosity wrote:

okay but jat does that as both alignments and bat doesn't

so.......

On October 06 2016 03:54 marvellosity wrote:

just look in the database

that's what i did. that's when i voted him, directly after i did that

i mean if my case isn't convincing enough on its own and you cba to do that, then meh :>

On October 06 2016 04:00 marvellosity wrote:

like if you don't think he's the best lynch after you've done that, then fair enough. not here to bully votes ^^

On October 06 2016 05:12 Grackaroni wrote:

Go defend yourself so that I can incriminate you in the eyes of Calix.

On October 06 2016 06:17 Palmar wrote:
check marv, he was wrong on a townie sounding guy.

maybe shoot him, who cares.

On October 06 2016 20:21 marvellosity wrote:

Palmar would never say this about me as town. ever.

On October 06 2016 20:26 marvellosity wrote:

still don't understand how you can think this given the last game we played together

seriously blows my mind.

?????

On October 06 2016 20:35 marvellosity wrote:

he didn't need to?? like palmar needed 3 more votes to be lynched with about 3 minutes to go.

why are you asking me this??

On October 06 2016 20:36 marvellosity wrote:

that's wrong so you're bad.

On October 06 2016 20:43 marvellosity wrote:

he didn't dick over his team. he didn't get lynched. 2 votes were needed on him with 3 minutes to go. it's a calculated risk.

plus he always reserved the opportunity to vote batsnacks if it looked like he was getting lynched, and he could say "it's always better to vote someone other than yourself who isn't town". he always had that in reserve.

basically don't get why you're putting any importance at all on what was essentially an anti-town move by his own logic.

On October 06 2016 20:34 Holyflare wrote:
Why would mafia palmar not vote to save himself?

On October 06 2016 20:46 Koshi wrote:

This is a really bad argument and you need to stop pushing it in the thread. He did the axect same thing in Star Wars mafia. I was mafia with him and the votes were 7-7 and he didn't vote to save himself. I think he eventually voted 1 minute after the deadline but got saved because the other guy reached 7 first.

Like... He did this as mafia before.

On October 06 2016 20:21 marvellosity wrote:

Palmar would never say this about me as town. ever.

On October 06 2016 23:07 Superbia wrote:


I have come to the conclusion that all brits are somewhat infuriating. No love lost, though.

On October 07 2016 00:45 Grackaroni wrote:
This Superbia/JAT spat has got to be one of the most boring fights I have seen.

On October 07 2016 00:54 Grackaroni wrote:

We don't do dick measuring competitions on TL because we already determined that Marv has the largest.

On October 07 2016 02:08 Holyflare wrote:
Jat meta is solid over time underwhelming play that is so easily fact checked and you won't do it. It looks incredibly like you're clutching at straws for a reason if "underwhelming play" is all you have.

On October 07 2016 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
Jat is only in my mafia list for underwhelming play.

On October 07 2016 06:15 marvellosity wrote:
why even vote palmar koshi?

you know you're going to end up scumreading me in about 24-36 hours and do something else anyway

On October 07 2016 06:23 marvellosity wrote:

i'm super obvious mafia to you in about 95% games i'm town when we play together, so yes, i am planning on being super obvious mafia to you.

On October 07 2016 20:11 marvellosity wrote:

reading your filter now as first course of action

let's suppose i'm mafia, and as we both know and you've admitted, i tend to read you excellently. We also both know that if you decide to "turn it on" as town, it's very difficult to lynch you and I could easily end up looking quite bad.

Do you think my tactic as mafia would be to try lynching you and just cross my fingers you don't do your usual townie thing as town?
Or that I'll try to lynch you while it looks plausible and back out gracefully at a convenient time (but why?)?

On October 07 2016 20:15 marvellosity wrote:
okay I kinda see Superbia. I'm asking Palmar to explain my motivation for my actions in the scenario I outlined.

That's not a defence, that's me wanting to know if he has a reasonable explanation.

On October 07 2016 20:16 Superbia wrote:


Read his stuff and then call him mafia or town plox.

On October 07 2016 20:17 marvellosity wrote:

go away. every time you talk to me you ask me stupid things or want me to do things. do your own things. i'll do my things.

thx.

On October 07 2016 20:15 marvellosity wrote:
okay I kinda see Superbia. I'm asking Palmar to explain my motivation for my actions in the scenario I outlined.

That's not a defence, that's me wanting to know if he has a reasonable explanation.

On October 07 2016 20:18 marvellosity wrote:

You know the reason I have a great record reading / lynching Palmar is because I don't make premature calls on his alignment and actually take as much time as I need to figure him out?

how do you not get this?

On October 07 2016 20:15 marvellosity wrote:
okay I kinda see Superbia. I'm asking Palmar to explain my motivation for my actions in the scenario I outlined.

That's not a defence, that's me wanting to know if he has a reasonable explanation.

On October 07 2016 18:46 Palmar wrote:
It jives rather well with what I've been thinking about this game.

Batsnacks sounded like a townie
Oats sounds like a townie
NU sounds like a special snowflake
Grack is not as funny as I would've thought he should be, but I do like him nonetheless, for now.

Superbia is being an ass, but he does that all the time as all alignments, don't think he's been overtly scummy. One of the big milestones today is going to be whether or not he realizes what is up. If he doesn't, he needs to be dropped very low on everyone's lists when I flip town. Superbia is smart, knows me well, and a good player in general. If he votes for me when I'm town, that's super concerning.

Damdred and Stutters are players I have completely ignored.

Marv is going to drop his vote on me. If he actually stays he's 100% mafia. He reads me better than any player in the history of TL mafia, he has basically a 100% rate on figuring my alignment by day 2 when he's town. If I ever flip town, and he is still calling me mafia, he is scum. there is NO WAY AROUND IT. Thing is, I also know that he knows exactly this. He CAN'T be wrong on me, so I know he's going to end up drop his vote on me today. Depending on whether I believe the reasoning there's a tiny chance I'm wrong. But the NK, his play, his lack of enthusiasm for some things and just some tonally weird things, all point to marv-mafia. Not to mention, both HF and I picked up a townie vibe from batsnacks, and marv completely failed to recognize it. He is better at town than both of us, and that is super concerning.

JAT/Koshi/Calix <--- Three strong players who have been atrociously wrong throughout the game. There is definitely town in this group, probably even two. Whichever ones of you are town need to pull head out of asses and start playing reasonably. It is very likely that one of the townies is Koshi, because him tunneling stupid things is kind of what he does as town, the other two are slightly better so who knows.

Regarding Calix specifically, my day 1 read of her is mostly tonal. She felt very analytical and willing to try to solve the game when she was town in the last game I was with her. This contrasts her more timid and reserved tone here. I am also slightly suspicious of how she could read me so well on day 1 (against all odds she was calling me town) and then dropped it with some complete bullshit reasoning on n1, that is worrying.

On October 08 2016 03:57 marvellosity wrote:
most of the game is just other people asking people (e.g. me) to 'do things' as if that's doing something themselves. it isn't. no-one is actually doing anything.

On October 08 2016 04:02 marvellosity wrote:
i wish you guys had just gone along with me more on the palmar thing, because he had a half hour flurry of decent posts and now he's coasting on it because everyone went 'oooh that looked nice'. it's so dull

On October 07 2016 18:46 Palmar wrote:
It jives rather well with what I've been thinking about this game.

Batsnacks sounded like a townie
Oats sounds like a townie
NU sounds like a special snowflake
Grack is not as funny as I would've thought he should be, but I do like him nonetheless, for now.

Superbia is being an ass, but he does that all the time as all alignments, don't think he's been overtly scummy. One of the big milestones today is going to be whether or not he realizes what is up. If he doesn't, he needs to be dropped very low on everyone's lists when I flip town. Superbia is smart, knows me well, and a good player in general. If he votes for me when I'm town, that's super concerning.

Damdred and Stutters are players I have completely ignored.

Marv is going to drop his vote on me. If he actually stays he's 100% mafia. He reads me better than any player in the history of TL mafia, he has basically a 100% rate on figuring my alignment by day 2 when he's town. If I ever flip town, and he is still calling me mafia, he is scum. there is NO WAY AROUND IT. Thing is, I also know that he knows exactly this. He CAN'T be wrong on me, so I know he's going to end up drop his vote on me today. Depending on whether I believe the reasoning there's a tiny chance I'm wrong. But the NK, his play, his lack of enthusiasm for some things and just some tonally weird things, all point to marv-mafia. Not to mention, both HF and I picked up a townie vibe from batsnacks, and marv completely failed to recognize it. He is better at town than both of us, and that is super concerning.

JAT/Koshi/Calix <--- Three strong players who have been atrociously wrong throughout the game. There is definitely town in this group, probably even two. Whichever ones of you are town need to pull head out of asses and start playing reasonably. It is very likely that one of the townies is Koshi, because him tunneling stupid things is kind of what he does as town, the other two are slightly better so who knows.

Regarding Calix specifically, my day 1 read of her is mostly tonal. She felt very analytical and willing to try to solve the game when she was town in the last game I was with her. This contrasts her more timid and reserved tone here. I am also slightly suspicious of how she could read me so well on day 1 (against all odds she was calling me town) and then dropped it with some complete bullshit reasoning on n1, that is worrying.

On October 08 2016 03:57 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar isn't being supertown despite his own proclamations, so i can basically conclude he's unable to give any reasonable explanation for his actions

On October 08 2016 04:15 marvellosity wrote:

i explained so i won't again.

On October 08 2016 04:29 marvellosity wrote:
don't understand how you don't get the paragraph above the bolded one isn't correct/relevant either

especially as he's more prone to it as mafia (hence providing it as an example).

but it's simply scummy on its own to bitch about a lynch while doing nothing about it.

On October 08 2016 04:34 marvellosity wrote:
funny question given my push on bats was the one convincing enough for town to lynch him and then today i'm the only one actually sustaining any pressure on a scumread

it's kinda surreal tbh.

On October 08 2016 04:11 marvellosity wrote:
koshi doesn't even have to be town either tbh. didn't like the fact that he didn't understand i was making a joke when i commented on his palmar vote at the beginning of the day

On October 08 2016 04:48 marvellosity wrote:
calix, is nu terrible?

if not i'm gonna have to downgrade him

On October 08 2016 16:09 scott31337 wrote:
Sorry Damdred, I've had car accidents happen and still was able to at least voice my opinion. My vote is for you.

On October 11 2016 20:30 marvellosity wrote:

I did read Palmar and I don't think we should lynch him today.

tbh i'm not totally convinced he's town and he can do the 'angry' thing as mafia, but it doesn't read to me that way particularly. I can believe he thinks I'm 100% mafia at this point if he's town

i know i attacked him for his weird HF-switch reading around d1 deadline, but for some reason I got the opposite reaction to what he said about Superbia. (the fact the posts were so close together in his filter)

On October 11 2016 23:04 marvellosity wrote:

it just means i don't think he's mafia.

On October 11 2016 23:11 marvellosity wrote:

it's not really stupid at all.

On October 11 2016 23:15 marvellosity wrote:
just to be super clear: I'm not saying Oats is lock town because he has 7 pages of filter. Of course he is capable of that as mafia. But when I am very short of time, someone having 7 pages of filter when his last 5 games have 2-5 pages of filter as mafia is a helpful metric

On October 12 2016 05:06 marvellosity wrote:

exactly, you don't.

if scott is town, mafia is happy with the lynch.

if scott is mafia, he may as well get lynched now (from mafia's perspective) as pushing against the lynch would look odd.

unfortunately that makes wagonomics kinda useless for today

On October 12 2016 05:06 marvellosity wrote:

exactly, you don't.

if scott is town, mafia is happy with the lynch.

if scott is mafia, he may as well get lynched now (from mafia's perspective) as pushing against the lynch would look odd.

unfortunately that makes wagonomics kinda useless for today

On October 05 2016 06:05 Superbia wrote:


No. My working theory is that I thought your push on me for the marv interaction was scummy (as it heavily assumed Marv was town out of nowhere) and that I need to evaluate more at some later point (pretty done for today). My working theory on snacks is that he's getting some light pressure put on him and posting a thesis on how I'm town.

No connection (yet!).