[M][N] Murder on the Cruise Trip Mafia

On September 21 2016 23:28 Grackaroni wrote:
Let this be a study on the effect of Marvellosity on mafia signups.

On September 24 2016 06:21 Palmar wrote:
No need, mafia is so random, it's like poker.

Even consistently good players are just slightly more often right or good than terrible ones, because it's such a marginal game.

And no, my comment was sarcastic, there's absolutely nothing wrong with playing in this game as a newbie.

On September 28 2016 16:46 Koshi wrote:

10 vs 3
9 vs 3 ml
8 vs 3 nk
7 vs 3 ml
6 vs 3 nk
5 vs 3 ml
4 vs 3 nk into lylo

I think that if a 3 men mafia team needs to win after a 5th ml when town didn't play their roles superb is not balanced. I am not sure if both vet getting shot and doc saving 1 person is superb play. Not bad play though. But 5 ml is insane!!! Such a long game as well. Town leaders being alive for a long time. Blueclaims... Not balanced imo.

2 veterans I could live with if rb cancels the vest. It was so last game you hosted so that is fine.
2 docs is imbalanced.
2 vigis I can live with. But pretty insane.
2 cops are maybe even more imbalanced than 2 docs.

Random all roles is fun and stuff. But you want to keep your game balanced. Like cop + vigi puts so much pressure on the mafia team to look extremely good. Town gets a lynch, a copcheck and a vigi shot before Day 2. And on Day 2 could potentially claim 2 blue roles (they are unlynchable). That is information on 6 players by the start of D2 in a 13 player game, at least 2 of those are dead. And mafia wins on 3rd ml on 3rd day but still...

Maybe introduce a miller? So mafia has an out when they get redchecked. Or a framer instead of gf. Or both.


If you really 100% random and have potential double roles on all I think I will out. 2 any roles are always good enough for town with a chance to become batshit crazy.

On September 28 2016 21:31 beentheredonethat wrote:

I was aware of this when I gave my setup to foolishness and specifically asked for how to deal with that. The risk of having setups like vet/doc vs. gf and framer is there but I take this risk as I think that having this possibility in will increase speculations. After all, it's a guessing game.

On October 01 2016 19:18 marvellosity wrote:

Swingy is fine. Town loses a ml if they hit town and don't gain one if they hit mafia

Could make the cop parity in setup 4 though

On October 02 2016 05:13 marvellosity wrote:

tangentially, i've always quite liked the idea of a mafia vigi in 13 player setups when there's a town vigi

mafia having an extra shot takes away a ml for town, but then if town vigi hits mafia it's obviously good news anyway, and then if town vigi hits town you don't lose an extra mislynch.

i'd play in a 10-3 open setup with one vigi per side

On October 04 2016 15:17 marvellosity wrote:
Up to here

On October 04 2016 15:40 Holyflare wrote:
nEVERuNLUCKY probably bs confirmed himself town and koshi is either abusing it and bsing or is also town. Calix bad or mafia for even voting that way.

More wishy washy statements on koshi to come.

On October 04 2016 18:34 Koshi wrote:

I am dismissing the entire event.

A jury in a murder case also has to sometimes dismiss extreme good looking evidence because it is obtained outside the law. I always imagined that was the hardest thing to do and that in reality the jury wouldn't dismiss it at all. But I will completely dismiss it.

I encourage the other judges to follow my example.

On October 04 2016 19:02 Calix wrote:
He was pretty lurkish, unresponsive and making terrible posts in the last game we were in and he was town so not sure how AI that is for him. Will keep your point in mind though.

On October 04 2016 19:55 Holyflare wrote:
Simply, I find it quite hilarious that someone that proposes they can read NU so well and he's the easiest mafia in the world to spot and that he gets lynched every game day 1 as mafia is trying to shit all over NU this early instead of seeing whether he follows this obvious pattern of play.

On October 04 2016 20:23 marvellosity wrote:
nu (he directly asked to be called nu, everyone do it)

On October 04 2016 20:42 marvellosity wrote:

yes, unfortunately i did read this completely unnecessary pointless post.

On October 04 2016 20:49 Superbia wrote:


I know how you read me JAT; So I kinda like this post.

On October 04 2016 20:54 Superbia wrote:


I give you my 100% truthful double promise word that I am town. You can now continue looking at other people while I go back to lurking.

On October 04 2016 21:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:


I absolutely have no idea where she got that from. I never did anything of the sort.



No, it's not clear. Am I allowed to paraphrase what I received via PM? That is what is not clear. It's clear on our homesite. Rules state that we cannot quote PMs but may paraphrase them.

On October 04 2016 21:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:


She can claim that she knows my play and get others to lynch me. Doesn't matter if I can rebut her, as long as the others trust her voice over mine.

I don't really understand why you ask this question. Power Wolfs do this all the time. There isn't really a 'why'.

On October 04 2016 21:34 Calix wrote:


So you think I am scummy but you vote for Superbia?

You're going to have to walk me through that one.

(also NU said he agreed with me about Stutters)

On October 04 2016 22:11 Superbia wrote:
I am stuck between Oats or JAT. While I liked JATs early reason on me I feel the town JAT would've chased that shit down instead of backing off and saying "lal".

On October 04 2016 23:32 marvellosity wrote:

i can't be bothered to explain if you can't just read the few posts preceding this where i quoted you directly saying "i don't get why you asked the question"

anyway

##Vote: Palmar

Highest % mafia right now

On October 04 2016 23:00 Calix wrote:
I don't know if Oats is mafia. There was one post he made a while back which I felt was kind-of town.

Other than that, I don't understand him whatsoever.

On October 04 2016 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote:

Intent over already.
I think koshi has been skating by on pithy little comments.
I seem to remember other people promising shit but not delivering. I think it's stutters so he's leaning scum. Pretty sure Marv and Palmar are town. They don't give enough of a shit.

On October 04 2016 23:41 marvellosity wrote:


He's rolled mafia a lot lately

He signed up minutes after me, after I haven't played in 4 months, makes a comment about enjoying playing with me

Decides not to engage

Don't like it. Think he'd want to at least play with me. Think lurking is a good way for him to hide because people say things like you just did.

Obviously this is all just conjecture / my feelings but I like it

On October 04 2016 23:45 marvellosity wrote:

I'll let you know near eod if I really really want to lynch him, at which point you should listen.

For now, just staking mah space

On October 05 2016 00:29 Koshi wrote:
Am I not underwhelming?

On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.

On October 05 2016 01:11 Calix wrote:


Eh?

I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot.

In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter.

Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals.

#266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well"

#334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands.

This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm.



HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this.

Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand.

On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote:
Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here.

On October 04 2016 21:45 batsnacks wrote:
lol someone said "Power Wolf" that sounds like a sex thing

On October 04 2016 22:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also check out this skit I'm imagining

Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS
People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat
They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons

Pretty good right?

On October 05 2016 01:19 Calix wrote:


First two look like typical shit-posts to me.

Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him.

So not terribly convinced here but I'll see.

On October 05 2016 01:23 Calix wrote:
I'm not bothered about his shit-posts; they don't factor into the main issues I have with him.

I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum.

On October 05 2016 01:33 Palmar wrote:

I was mafia that game, I'm actually a really nice guy, except when I'm an asshole. But most of the time that I'm not an asshole I am nice.

What do you think of Holyflare? Particularly this reply to you voting NU:



The bad is leaving himself an out, but he's essentially saying it's scummy that you voted him.

On October 05 2016 01:40 Palmar wrote:


I have none.

I want to lynch him, but that is completely unrelated to whether or not I think he's mafia.

On October 05 2016 02:01 Palmar wrote:
I kinda want to bully someone, but I'm also lazy and I need to go soon, so I'm not gonna.

excellent bully targets are jat and superbia. They're both kinda.... here, but not doing much. Which isn't really scummy for either of them, as that's what they do all the time, but we need to make them commit to shit to figure out what they actually think.

On October 05 2016 02:10 Palmar wrote:

sure is

if you commit wrong, you scum.

On October 05 2016 02:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Why are we voting all of the townie people?

On October 05 2016 02:40 Superbia wrote:
As I've said before, the Calix/NU thing is the most interesting thing so far. You've danced around alignments like a ballerina. Your push on Palmar was decent and founded. Palmar has shown up and done somewhat okay shit.

What now Marv?

On October 05 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:

Why is your mafia team Marv/Palmar? Doesn't add up if you believe this ↑

On October 05 2016 03:42 Damdred wrote:
And hf push on calix really wasn't that bad so kind if just want to take him off the table today and it was kind of a weak Poe anyway. But I'd like to leave him there so he won't ignore me this game.

But on another note- <3 you town jat

On October 05 2016 03:59 Calix wrote:
I really do like Damdred's posts though. He's making sense, has a good scum pool and I was going to make a similar point about Stutters/ Batsnacks while catching up so that's a bonus.

Unsure on Koshi. His contributions aren't amazing but something about his tone makes me lean town.

On October 05 2016 04:34 Calix wrote:
I really do like how dismissive the two people I'm pushing are being, lol.

I'm being incredibly tame and polite here but you'd think that I called them a bunch of twats from how they're reacting.

On October 05 2016 04:35 Superbia wrote:
I'm kind of annoyed with people but I know if I'm too defensive I'll be called scum.

On October 05 2016 04:38 Superbia wrote:


I am? I evaluated on the NU/Calix fight. I also (tried to) start(ed) pressure on HF/Palmar.

On October 05 2016 04:56 Holyflare wrote:
Everyone should be voting Grackaroni by the way.

On October 05 2016 04:58 Superbia wrote:


I'll see what happens with your grack push. I don't hate the direction.

I'll also see how Palmar does now that he's active.

On October 05 2016 05:05 Calix wrote:
You are either being incredibly childish or you're scum throwing a temper tantrum.

Either way, it can be fixed with a rope.

On October 05 2016 05:11 Superbia wrote:
Like how hard is it to answer a simple question.

On October 05 2016 05:14 Calix wrote:
You guys ever consider just looking at what he's done this game so far?

It'll be 100% less misleading as all the information relates to that game.

(and I've already demonstrated that meta reads are not usually that accurate )

On October 05 2016 05:29 marvellosity wrote:

this is right

i said before i don't mind his posts this game, and i don't. but i opened about 5 of his more recent towngames and there's a vote on page 1 on every single one that i looked at, and randomly calling things scummy

the mafia game i opened (aperture) there's no vote and no really calling things scummy.

On October 05 2016 05:38 Koshi wrote:

ln my defense. I skim over a lot of posts. I try to read yours though.
-insert joke around the fact that now that my mind is superweak and mush it is equal to yours-

On October 05 2016 05:41 Koshi wrote:

Not really. You do it always a minute or something right after somebody says it. Or even 30 seconds. I didn't check but I probably did it way long after you said it.

On October 05 2016 05:46 Calix wrote:
Is this JAT/ Koshi interaction relevant? I haven't been reading it.

On October 05 2016 05:48 Calix wrote:


Brilliant. Now I can divert both of you to the actual interesting events in the chat to give thoughts on.

On October 05 2016 05:51 Superbia wrote:


Because it feels like he's playing like when I was mafia vs his town.

On October 05 2016 05:50 batsnacks wrote:

Being afraid leads to him being town I guess because it doesn't make sense to be afraid as mafia. I'm sure I've played with super in the past but it's been years since I've played with any of you and I don't really remember anything about how super plays.

On October 05 2016 05:58 batsnacks wrote:
I was just thinking jat can be mafia though. There were some moments, one where Carix was yelling at super, where he's maybe been egging bad town behavior. Like this is one

That's not the first one I just don't want to find the rest.

On October 05 2016 06:04 batsnacks wrote:

Yes that's what I meant like I don't think Calix is helping town by being unpleasant and I think you hurt town by encouraging it

On October 05 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote:
And really if you think the best way to get a handle on marv is poking him just doesn't work like that tbh

On October 05 2016 06:42 Calix wrote:
Dude, I'm being serious. Don't clog up the chat with bullshit.

HF exaggerating shit...what would you call his horrendous TT push in HM then? lol

On October 05 2016 09:34 Grackaroni wrote:

No I'm actually working on it right now, but it's a slow process.

My first instinct was to look at JAT and I'm still a bit undecided. There's nothing in his filter for me to really fault but he seems very agreeable.

On October 05 2016 14:06 Grackaroni wrote:
JAT (Because of general agreeability. Also he weakens his reads whenever questioned.)

On October 05 2016 14:07 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't really want to go for the Holyflare hat trick on day 1, so I propose JAT.

On October 05 2016 16:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I do agree though that JAT spends a lot of time arguing people are acting normally.

Palmar is normal

Batsnacks is normal

Then whenever somebody argues otherwise he agrees with them.

On October 05 2016 08:18 batsnacks wrote:
jat was on the ground floor with NU vs Calix, said later that he has "0 idea why anyone [Superbia] would find that fight interesting." He's been there a few times egging Calix on when what Calix was doing at the time was at best anti town.

I know I'm speaking as someone who himself is guilty of not taking stances but jat is also there sort of directing traffic a lot of the time and similarly not taking stances.

On October 05 2016 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like what bats has been doing recently, especially since he returned pretty quickly after his peace out post.

Super still whining and not being proactive.

Koshi and stutters no-show.

Koshi if you really don't have the time, just find one read and push it. Don't do this fluffy shit.

Jat a lot of activity but not a lot of content, leaning scum on him.

On October 05 2016 15:37 Holyflare wrote:
He's always been a parrot but now he's a boring parrot. There's posts jat picks up on such as early game where he bolded one of my posts and said "is this true?" in regards to calix and nu and then dropped it entirely. Then there's another thing somewhere he dropped let me find it.

On October 05 2016 15:46 Holyflare wrote:
That's a wasted vote.

Anyway, I don't like that jat's only vote is palmar. He's been far too conservative. He did some weird batsnacks defence and then found out he didn't realise what batsnacks did post but still defended him anyway and then when batsnacks gets called out jat says he looks bad but doesn't shift his vote.

If he admits that palmar doing not much isn't really indicative (he says to marv that palmar isn't scummy for it) then his vote should be on the people he is actually calling scummy but it's not. He doesn't really have scum reads and the only time he does mention scum reads really is to agree with a damdred list.

On October 05 2016 15:49 Holyflare wrote:
I also thought jat's earlier call out of stutters was extremely out of place on a person who posted 3 posts at the start of the game and it sidetracked from actual discussion.

It's weird because:

A) it's really the only person jat has called out the entire game.

B) he ignored scummy things going on for it.

C) he knows stutters is a lurker and doesn't post much

Looked really forced read.

On October 05 2016 16:01 Holyflare wrote:
This game is gonna get boring really fast when jat returns to post some inane drivel retort.

On October 05 2016 16:10 Holyflare wrote:
Why do i think the complete opposite then? Batsnacks looks like a complete emotionless robot that posts reads and has no passion behind them.

On October 05 2016 12:36 Oatsmaster wrote:

Ah ok, I see where Marv is going here. Super proposed a throwaway question with no doubt in his mind that calix was town. I'm not sure if super is saying that mafia is latching onto to hf's push or that hf is latching on.

Scum slips don't exist though so i agree with you

On October 05 2016 13:12 Grackaroni wrote:
@JAT: You quoted some posts from Batsnacks that made you think he wouldn't be scum. Superbia has made a lot of posts similar to those, yet you agreed with Palmar that he would be a good push. Do you think that Superbia would be more capable of making those posts as scum or is this something that you have missed?

On October 05 2016 15:55 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't think that scum becomes genuinely annoyed at somebody for not answering a question because they don't actually care about the answer. This is something that Superbia has to actively think of to fake.

If you're going for the cocky useless scum play, then you are drawing a lot more attention to yourself. It can be harder to pull off than you would think, and it's always a riskier gambit than just contributing more than the shittiest players.

Marv isn't going to roll over this game as scum because he hasn't played in months.

HF point was something that I noticed as well.

On October 05 2016 18:00 Calix wrote:
Is everyone terrible/ possible scum for accusing you? Because that's what I'm getting out of your posts so far.

HF is opportunistic.

batsnacks' push is "so terrible that it might not come from mafia"

Grack's push "does not require a townie mindset"

Oats is not even a good argument. You're attacking him for a 'throwaway comment' (lol) and for saying that he doesn't believe in scum-slips.

Terrible.

On October 05 2016 18:01 Holyflare wrote:




Town read on Superbia above.

Only ever mention or interaction with Superbia until I started pushing him below.




That is quite clearly not a push by any stretch of the imagination.

On October 05 2016 18:02 Calix wrote:
tl;dr: You're playing extremely reactively and you've only just started to accuse players of being scum once you were pushed into the spotlight...and all of those players are accusing you.

I remain unconvinced.

On October 05 2016 18:02 Holyflare wrote:
And what, are you now saying that you scum read batsnacks after hks posts at night?

On October 05 2016 16:27 Calix wrote:
Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them.



Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter).

He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far.



This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter?





And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts:

Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town.

His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum.

On October 05 2016 18:09 Holyflare wrote:
That doesn't answer the question.

On October 05 2016 18:13 Calix wrote:


That's not what I was arguing. I think it's an odd thing to add onto a town read because it weakens said read. Nowhere did I suggest that you should scum-read batsnacks because he might have possibly improved his scum game.

Your other two points are not complete shite.

On October 05 2016 18:17 Calix wrote:


Pointless question, given that I have literally said "batsnacks and JAT are in cahoots"

I don't have a third full-on scum-read. I just think that this group [Koshi/ Palmar/ HF/ Stutters] have scum among them.

On October 05 2016 18:21 Holyflare wrote:


So I just bussed my entire team pointlessly despite you seeing me write in your last game how shit bussing day 1 is..........??????????????????????


?????


????

..???..?

On October 05 2016 20:33 marvellosity wrote:
And jat is frightfully dull. I also have less time than historically (hence first game in 4 months) but at least I say things occasionally interesting while i'm here

On October 05 2016 20:35 marvellosity wrote:
also yeah, jat's push on Stutters looks quite bad.

On October 05 2016 21:04 batsnacks wrote:
K Im caught up now nice rant post HF I similarly agree I wouldn't be that surprised if most of you flipped Mafia. Maybe I'm wrong and I'm going to borrow from what palmar said earlier but I think at least several of you are too caught up in yourselves to be as successful as town could be on this first day. the game is less about what's going now on in Cruise Boat Mafia more about maybe a select few egos.

i think a large majority agree that Calix vs <X> has been a pretty consistent, useless shit show. I don't think I've seen anyone move forward in any conversation with this person without moving two steps backward into unnecessary defensiveness or unpleasantness

I'm being pushed, I think, because I suggested in the that superbia was frustrated town dealing with a (self admitted) anti town person and a whole train of other people all at once. I'll repeat my superbia story because I still don't think it's an unreasonable perspective. Superbia started the game afraid to post their reads they commented several times that it was in their, and town's, best interest that superbia stay on the sidelines. He finally got pressured into sharing some reads and immediately got met with pretty much everyone insulting him and saying he was Mafia.

Then HF, OUTRAGED that I could possibly suggest superbia may be showing signs of frustration in the HEAT OF PASSION started the push on me. Like how on earth does it ever benefit me as Mafia to suddenly pop in with the most unpopular of all opinions ever. Even if my read on superbia is trash, which hey it might be!, why am I ever sharing that?

People should look at what people are posting IN THIS GAME like who cares that jat is capable of being a parrot/pushing an anti town agenda as town. He could be pushing a Mafia agenda in this game by doing that.

Damdred too in his all stars bio it says Damdred is a slow starter, in his all start game he was slow with questions at the start and was very careful to take stances before being solve-y first. Here he just popped in midway through the game with a few sudden conclusions and no questions. Can Damdred do this as town sure but he could also be pushing a Mafia agenda.

What Mafia agenda am I pushing when I say "hey guys superbia looks like frustrated town here" in the midst of half the thread calling him terrible?

On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:


If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.

On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:


What? This has nothing to do with you.

He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped.

I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment"

I don't even get what your argument is here.

On October 05 2016 22:49 Calix wrote:


I said that a large part of my scum-read on you revolves around scum!bat, not the entire thing.

It's a possibility that I was asked about. I don't see how considering other possibilities where you AREN'T scum with batsnacks is a bad thing. As said before, I am skeptical that I have actually found two of the mafia on Day 1.

Actually you know what? I'm not going to spend more time exploring this line of thought as it's pre-flip, relies on speculation and I don't even know if batsnacks is scum yet. Ask something more productive.

On October 05 2016 22:53 Calix wrote:


Please state where I backtracked on my read of you. I clearly stated that my Grack idea was considering another possibility, not that you were less scummy.

If you're referring to my first line, I already said that earlier in the thread.

On October 05 2016 23:03 Calix wrote:


My read is not entirely based on pre-flips and I didn't 'forget' about it as I've already said.

Yes, why don't you tell us where your reads are at? I'm having a hard time gauging your positions here.

On October 05 2016 23:25 marvellosity wrote:

Calix's tone is too aggressive/lecturey for me to be paying that much attention to her posts

On October 05 2016 23:41 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I have the same conclusion s as cypherbia on grasp and bats. I think they are town.

I would Lynch jat 10 times before voting bats. Jat s defense on #811 ( can't quote from phone) was him saying that his play this game corresponds to his town meta. This is a prime example of a scum being aware of his town palsy and trying to replicate it.

Also, calix, why Re you using the bats. Jat interaction against bats? Jat defense of bats makes jat and jat only scummy.

On October 06 2016 00:21 Grackaroni wrote:

Nobody is accusing you for having little time to play, by the way. There's a reason why you are getting pushed over Koshi.

On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:

This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him.

On October 06 2016 00:40 Grackaroni wrote:

I didn't. She said that you have been too reactive not that you are only scum because you are on a team with Batsnacks.

On October 06 2016 00:49 Grackaroni wrote:

Fact check: Calix has called JAT reactive.


We rate the claim true.

On October 06 2016 00:59 Grackaroni wrote:

I read the post, I just don't agree. Calix has been townie this game and I don't expect her to have 100% confidence that her scum team is right.

I have to go. Let us pray for Marv's benevolence.

On October 06 2016 01:11 Grackaroni wrote:

Clearly

On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:

This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him.

On October 06 2016 01:37 Holyflare wrote:
I don't know why you town read marv, I think he's been underwhelming at best and definitely doesn't have much of a total thread awareness.

On October 06 2016 01:45 Holyflare wrote:
I don't get it jat you've scum read bats, no vote on him, you've scum read calix and she's done this bs that you're arguing with grack about and you don't vote her, you've just said to lynch grack and aren't voting him.

Why?

On October 06 2016 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
because you're not going to be here at deadline.............?

On October 06 2016 02:04 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Lmao. You are proving my point. You think simply playing aling your town meta should warrant a town read. That's what scum thinks. Town just plays the way they want, not bring worries of following a certain predefined meta.

Justanotherscum

On October 06 2016 02:35 justanothertownie wrote:
So, those are the people I would not be willing to lynch today as of now:

Koshi: There is no point in wasting my time on him. When he comes back he is either normal town Koshi or you lynch him. Pretty straight forward.

Marv: Not 100 % town but he has done enough typical stuff that I won't even entertain lynching him.

nu: Not gonna lie - his play since the very active start has been less than subpar. But he has that gamey shit going for him which almost always comes from town.

These I wouldn't lynch without a good case (which has to come between now and like 30 minutes later because I will be gone):

Palmar: If you want to lynch him you need to get the wagon going way earlier. You can never know his alignment before he is forced to actually play the damn game. He is really underwhelming though and his aimless rambling earlier did not feel very palmarlike.

Holyflare: Always hard to tell with him and like I said his push on me was really opportunistic and bad. Shitflingy if you want. But I think a mafia HF wouldn't have stopped going after me this easily once he had already started to. Felt like he actively avoided an unnecessary shitfight which I do not think scum HF would do. If he suddenly turns against me again when I am gone he is probably mafia.

Damdred: His presence is severely lacking and batsnacks is right when he says that there was very little damdy questioning going on. But I really liked his perspective on the game when he arrived. It mirrored my own quite well.

Oats: Made an easy thowaway scumread against me and then didn't care about me at all anymore (I might be biased but that seems quite disinterested to me). Some really bad logic that I pointed out but I guess thats par for the course for him. Really really forgettable though.

I could lynch (roughly in order from worst to best lynch):


Stutters: If this was an open setup with a vig I would be against lynching him but we don't know that. Maybe it still would be optimal to wait for a night and see if he gets shot by a vigilante before getting rid of him by a lynch but if you for some reason need to shennany onto someone eod he is a good target.

Calix: At first I was really sold by the fearless and aggressive way she plays but I have to remember that she is only new to this site and apparently a decent scumplayer. If you have that in mind then there are several problems with her play. Starting from the way she treated nu in the beginning despite him apparently being the easiest read in the world up to the total brainfart she made when asked about her grack read.

batsnacks: This is not the batsnacks I know. I don't know if it is mafia batsnacks but he is very different. Incomprehensible defense of Superbia because "being afraid makes no sense as mafia". But he has really been digging himself a hole all game if he is mafia. Besides the superbia read there is also his accusation against me (mafia for encouraging anti-town behaviour) which is so poor and weak that it is almost comical. Why does mafia batsnacks try to attack me like that? It is so pointless. Really horrible politician posts though...

Superbia: Refuses to play the game. Agressive/hostile tone fit his scummeta perfectly. Nowhere to be seen all day today.

Grackaroni:
Made a case against me immediately when 1-2 people suddenly started suspecting me when I was gone yesterday. A really lazy and factual problematic case as I have explained lately. He also just harddefended Calix without even knowing what the problem was with her posting. Otherwise he is just existing in this game without doing much.

On October 06 2016 02:48 Holyflare wrote:
I'm up for a superbia shenanigan

On October 06 2016 03:04 Grackaroni wrote:
HF, do you not see what I see with Palmar?

On October 06 2016 03:09 Calix wrote:
Also we have three replacements so surely one of them can replace Stutters?

On October 06 2016 03:11 Calix wrote:
None of the things described for Superbia make him scum. Sorry not sorry.

On October 06 2016 03:13 Calix wrote:
I don't give a flying fuck about 'scum meta'.

We're lynching batsnacks/ you/ HF.

End of discussion.

On October 06 2016 16:12 Superbia wrote:
Hmm did JAT have an opinion on Palmar or Bats?

On October 06 2016 16:12 Superbia wrote:
Only vote outside the wagons outside of Bats and stutters (who will hopefully get MKed).

On October 06 2016 18:21 Superbia wrote:
If the wagons are TvT then the outlying votes are more scummy.

On October 06 2016 18:39 Holyflare wrote:
You think he's mafia and doesn't vote to save himself? I think that's bull shit unless his entire team was on batsnacks and even then I think it's incredibly unlikely.

On October 06 2016 20:24 Koshi wrote:

Hilarious.

On October 06 2016 20:51 Holyflare wrote:
Actually no I'm gonna call bs.

Star wars is the game where none of us were ever getting lynched. I don't remember palmar ever being at 7 votes.

On October 06 2016 20:53 Koshi wrote:

Weren't you all in the game though? JAT for sure. I think you as well. For sure.

On October 06 2016 20:58 Holyflare wrote:
I'll just shoot calix and we can get palmar, whatever.

On October 06 2016 21:00 Holyflare wrote:
Why kill stutters when we can clear up wagons and motives and stutters is already mod warned?

On October 06 2016 21:20 Superbia wrote:
Stutters is a pretty shit shot.

If you want to policy shoot, shoot Palmar (for info).

If you want to hit mafia probably shoot Damdred.

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On October 06 2016 21:34 Holyflare wrote:
Killing a potential town guy is extremely sub optimal too, more so in fact. He might even get replaced...

On October 06 2016 21:42 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Marv could be replaced with HF and the sentence would still make sense.


That was much of an overreaction to Super's inquiries. Defensive for no reason.

Do you prefer Justanothermafia or Justanotherscum?

On October 06 2016 21:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:


If you could send your mafioso to shank her, it would be appreciated. It would let me time to catch up to her post count and would get us townies rid of the town tard.

On October 06 2016 22:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:

If that is why you think I'm being town-read then you are very very very very bad. I will need to read the setup to see if town retard is a unique role. If it is then you are undoubtedly mafia.

It was not a defense.

I think she's an obvious town, but I am not opposed to her lynched because the idea looks entertaining.

On October 06 2016 22:48 Superbia wrote:


And you would question people who are outside of the wagons first because they apparently did not care about the lynches.

Why are you getting so defensive? Like you're a natural stand out if Palmar is town.

Do you think Palmar is town?

On October 06 2016 22:58 Superbia wrote:


I really really don't know why you are being this defensive dude.

On October 07 2016 00:17 Superbia wrote:


Thanks for letting me know why I do stuff. I had no idea. ;p

On October 07 2016 00:18 Superbia wrote:
Though if you keep following the Ritoky "everything you do is mafia because you're mafia" route I'm going to lynch you.

On October 07 2016 00:22 Superbia wrote:


Scary!

On October 07 2016 00:25 Superbia wrote:
Now my confidence is a mafia tell? Dayum.

On October 07 2016 00:33 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Oh yeah? Funny how none of it was present in your town-read of me, hmm? In fact, you had another argument to town-read me. Nice contradiction.

On October 07 2016 00:35 NeverUnlucky wrote:


This post is so bad and so scummy. Prepare the guillotine, boys.

On October 07 2016 00:37 Superbia wrote:
Jat what is my town meta?

On October 07 2016 00:42 Superbia wrote:


Unremarkable. Ha!

On October 07 2016 00:41 NeverUnlucky wrote:

This is so scummy as well. "Don't lynch me because last time you did it did not go well."

Guillotine! Guillotine! Guillotine!


oh oh oh scumslip oh oh oh

On October 07 2016 00:43 NeverUnlucky wrote:


"But he has that gamey shit going for him which almost always comes from town."

It fucking proves my point. GTFO.

On October 07 2016 00:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:


You wish. This is the first time I play the way I am playing. I usually play similarly to Calix without the nerdy cases and with on-point mafia reads.

This is just much more fun.

On October 07 2016 00:47 Superbia wrote:


Literally not even trying. I hope jat is not either

On October 07 2016 00:49 Superbia wrote:


If you want me as an opponent become more mafia than palmar tomorrow

On October 07 2016 00:50 Grackaroni wrote:

I think there's a chance it could be bussing.

JAT isn't giving any reasons why people should scum read you.

You aren't giving any reasons why people should scum read him.

Yet you both want to make it clear that you are suspecting each other.

On October 07 2016 00:54 Grackaroni wrote:

We don't do dick measuring competitions on TL because we already determined that Marv has the largest.

On October 07 2016 00:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:


All I see is NAI traits with a meta point seasoned with overreacting defensiveness.

On October 07 2016 01:07 Grackaroni wrote:
Do you actually believe I am pocketing Marv by saying he has a large dick or was this a joke?

On October 07 2016 01:11 Grackaroni wrote:

I legitimately can't tell because I feel like you've been spewing out a lot of shitty accusations this game.

On October 07 2016 01:15 Grackaroni wrote:

We can let this be an example of one.

On October 07 2016 01:23 Grackaroni wrote:


What I meant was that I didn't get the impression that either of you were concerned with convincing anyone of anything.

For the shitty accusations, I remember you accusing me for defending Calix saying that I had predetermined I would defend Calix, and aside from that I remember mostly omgus from you.

I went back to check after you posted a list of things Superbia had done and this whole argument was just an extension of that omgus. He made an off the cusp remark that if Palmar is town we should look into people off the wagon.

On October 07 2016 01:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Everybody seems to have forgotten DDD.

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Shit, I'm awful at filter-diving. Anybody who wants to get a feel of this guy should filter dive him themselves and see how lackluster his posts are.