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On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him.
Way to miss the point.
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On October 06 2016 00:21 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:17 Holyflare wrote:On October 06 2016 00:09 Calix wrote:On October 06 2016 00:05 Holyflare wrote:On October 06 2016 00:03 Calix wrote:On October 06 2016 00:00 Holyflare wrote:On October 05 2016 23:48 Calix wrote:
NU, you raise a good point about JAT's defense re: meta. However, what makes you conclude that JAT/ Bats isn't scum defending scum? He switches between defending bats and distancing from him and it's a weird approach for scum/ town imo.
re: HF's post, that can be easily disproven by the fact that I have pushed NU, pushed Oats, pushed Superbia (to an extent) and helped start the batsnacks train. Anyone saying that I'm not pushing the game forward is either illiterate or scum at this point. All of those pushes were bad apart from the Superbia and batsnacks one which other people are pushing instead. You're supposed to be town leaders-y and you seem more reactive. Your argument was that I hadn't been really pushing anyone. I refute this point. You change the argument to "Calix's pushes are bad" Your last line is a terrible attempt at a meta-read. There is no One True Way for me to play and you have no idea how I 'usually' play given that you've seen me in ONE game. Thing is I don't care. Maybe my original post should have been "calix has only pushed dumb shit all game and been reactive" instead. Yes, I think I'm ninja editing it to that instead. I don't care if you're the meta God I know your ego type like the back of my hand, you don't like being wrong, you like being right, other people are pretty dumb. I know your pushes look shitty to me and that's what I'm sticking with. Question. How can my all of my pushes look shitty when you're voting for the same person I am? Why are you not trying harder to sort out myself/ batsnacks when we're clearly not on the same team? What does my 'ego type' have to do with anything? If you make a list of your pushes and two of them are bad and the other two other people have started (myself basically) then the only pushes you have made yourself are crap and the other two are REACTIVE based on the sentiment of the thread. Basically your posts seem entirely reactive and contain a plethora of things to assuage other people's fears. Even if we disregard two pushes of mine which I started, I was the first person to make a case against batsnacks. In literally no universe does your narrative of "Calix is entirely reactive" hold. You are just making up bullshit at this point. Read the thread and stop talking out of your arse.
Then why are you the last person to vote on batsnacks?
Why is jat and batsnacks a team but then if batsnacks is mafia grackaroni is ALSO part of that team while
On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.
he doesn't appear in your list of scum reads at all initially:
On October 05 2016 18:17 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 18:12 Holyflare wrote:
Calix can you give me a rundown of your scum reads and why in some short sentences? Pointless question, given that I have literally said "batsnacks and JAT are in cahoots" I don't have a third full-on scum-read. I just think that this group [Koshi/ Palmar/ HF/ Stutters] have scum among them.
You think batsnacks is mafia. It's incredibly weird that you think jat is mafia for all of this association bs but then have grack as a "town lean" but he's probably mafia if batsnacks is mafia. It doesn't make sense in the slightest.
All I did was ask you for a list of scum reads but then when I called you out on your bs reads that you can't possibly make you backtrack and say it's a list of people if your reads are WRONG.
That's not what I asked for at all, it's scummy as shit, it's another inconstancy with the reads that you don't remember. Furthermore, you haven't expressed the majority of these reads. You tell me that your pushes are Superbia and Batsnacks but your read on me is entirely unqualified. I made good pushes/cases on both of these people and they are both people that you want to lynch and think are mafia.
If I ask a person for a mafia read and they give me a list of people that "oh if i'm wrong these people are mafia maybe" then that's fucking dirty and scummy.
If a person is asked about a possible world where someone is mafia and that world is the world that already exists in that persons mind why do they say the opposite?
I'll give you the answer, it's because that person is mafia.
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On October 06 2016 00:37 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him. Way to miss the point.
I didn't. She said that you have been too reactive not that you are only scum because you are on a team with Batsnacks.
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On October 06 2016 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:21 Grackaroni wrote:On October 05 2016 20:50 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 20:33 marvellosity wrote:
And jat is frightfully dull. I also have less time than historically (hence first game in 4 months) but at least I say things occasionally interesting while i'm here You are dull. Also I remember you saying the exact same thing the last time I had little time to play. We all know how that ended. On October 05 2016 20:35 marvellosity wrote:
also yeah, jat's push on Stutters looks quite bad. What about it looks bad exactly? It was an observation and I did not follow up on it since stutters did not post since then. Hardly a push. Nobody is accusing you for having little time to play, by the way. There's a reason why you are getting pushed over Koshi. Not really. The only one who is pushing me right now is you and I easily refuted your "case".
Pretty much everyone in the thread has called your play unusually boring. I can assemble a line of quotes if needed.
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Yes but she's been told that's how he plays and she hasn't updated that read.
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On October 06 2016 00:30 Palmar wrote:
Calix is 100% mafia
Why?
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On October 06 2016 00:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:37 justanothertownie wrote:On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him. Way to miss the point. I didn't. She said that you have been too reactive not that you are only scum because you are on a team with Batsnacks.
Wrong.
But irrelevant. Even if she scumread me independently I would still be mafia in her world and this still eould make no sense.
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as an alternative I'll also accept killing Grackaroni
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But no, I know Calix is mafia. I have a red check.
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On October 06 2016 00:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 06 2016 00:37 justanothertownie wrote:On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him. Way to miss the point. I didn't. She said that you have been too reactive not that you are only scum because you are on a team with Batsnacks. Wrong. But irrelevant. Even if she scumread me independently I would still be mafia in her world and this still eould make no sense.
Fact check: Calix has called JAT reactive.
On October 05 2016 16:27 Calix wrote:Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them.
Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out. 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now. Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter). He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far. Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I still maintain that I do not have a particular problem with his filter but I retract my confidence. This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter? Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:19 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:11 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out. 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now. Eh? I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot. In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter. Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals. #266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well" #334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands. This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm. On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 05 2016 00:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 00:14 batsnacks wrote:
Calix said that there was no specific evidence she could produce for NU abusing PMs as Mafia, even though she implied NU did this as Mafia before
Holyflare said "produce evidence or die"
Those events happened in that order. Maybe Mafia Holyflare knowingly issued Calix an impossible task to make the narrative for Calix being Mafia stronger? Anyway that's what I was thinking hopefully it makes sense. Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc. On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him. No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia. offski Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia. Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position. HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this. Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand. Actually there is less of that stuff in his filter than I remembered. But there are still quite a few posts I would label as typical town bats posts. Maybe I didn't use the correct words to describe the tone: On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote:
Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here. On October 04 2016 21:45 batsnacks wrote:
lol someone said "Power Wolf" that sounds like a sex thing On October 04 2016 22:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also check out this skit I'm imagining
Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS
People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat
They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons
Pretty good right? First two look like typical shit-posts to me. Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him. So not terribly convinced here but I'll see. The quality of the content doesn't necessarily correlate with the overall usefullness of a post to get a read. Those ARE shitposts. But in my experience town batsnacks is more likely to make shitposts like that. If you want to judge him on content you will have a bad time if he is town. Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:23 Calix wrote:
I'm not bothered about his shit-posts; they don't factor into the main issues I have with him.
I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum. He is definitely one of thise types. And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts: Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town. His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum.
On October 05 2016 16:38 Calix wrote:
Also while I'm here, if anyone wants to present actual analysis for why batsnacks can be town, I'd like to hear it.
Because so far, I've seen nothing convincing outside of "he's hilarious" (courtesy of NU) and "some of his later posts were okay" (which doesn't invalidate the earlier points)
Both batsnacks and JAT are playing passively imo.
We rate the claim true.
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On October 06 2016 00:46 Palmar wrote:
as an alternative I'll also accept killing Grackaroni
And why would you do such a thing, grand maester Palmar, when I have been doing your job for you?
On October 05 2016 02:01 Palmar wrote:
I kinda want to bully someone, but I'm also lazy and I need to go soon, so I'm not gonna.
excellent bully targets are jat and superbia. They're both kinda.... here, but not doing much. Which isn't really scummy for either of them, as that's what they do all the time, but we need to make them commit to shit to figure out what they actually think.
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My case boils down to sass
Calix is meek
Scum are meek
Calix is scum
QED
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I renounce my scumread on Grack, politifact is always good
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On October 06 2016 00:49 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:42 justanothertownie wrote:On October 06 2016 00:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 06 2016 00:37 justanothertownie wrote:On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him. Way to miss the point. I didn't. She said that you have been too reactive not that you are only scum because you are on a team with Batsnacks. Wrong. But irrelevant. Even if she scumread me independently I would still be mafia in her world and this still eould make no sense. Fact check: Calix has called JAT reactive. Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 16:27 Calix wrote:Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them.
On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out. 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now. Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter). He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far. On October 05 2016 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I still maintain that I do not have a particular problem with his filter but I retract my confidence. This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter? On October 05 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:19 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:11 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out. 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now. Eh? I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot. In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter. Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals. #266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well" #334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands. This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm. On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 05 2016 00:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 00:14 batsnacks wrote:
Calix said that there was no specific evidence she could produce for NU abusing PMs as Mafia, even though she implied NU did this as Mafia before
Holyflare said "produce evidence or die"
Those events happened in that order. Maybe Mafia Holyflare knowingly issued Calix an impossible task to make the narrative for Calix being Mafia stronger? Anyway that's what I was thinking hopefully it makes sense. Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc. On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him. No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia. offski Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia. Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position. HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this. Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand. Actually there is less of that stuff in his filter than I remembered. But there are still quite a few posts I would label as typical town bats posts. Maybe I didn't use the correct words to describe the tone: On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote:
Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here. On October 04 2016 21:45 batsnacks wrote:
lol someone said "Power Wolf" that sounds like a sex thing On October 04 2016 22:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also check out this skit I'm imagining
Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS
People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat
They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons
Pretty good right? First two look like typical shit-posts to me. Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him. So not terribly convinced here but I'll see. The quality of the content doesn't necessarily correlate with the overall usefullness of a post to get a read. Those ARE shitposts. But in my experience town batsnacks is more likely to make shitposts like that. If you want to judge him on content you will have a bad time if he is town. On October 05 2016 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:23 Calix wrote:
I'm not bothered about his shit-posts; they don't factor into the main issues I have with him.
I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum. He is definitely one of thise types. And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts: Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town. His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum. Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 16:38 Calix wrote:
Also while I'm here, if anyone wants to present actual analysis for why batsnacks can be town, I'd like to hear it.
Because so far, I've seen nothing convincing outside of "he's hilarious" (courtesy of NU) and "some of his later posts were okay" (which doesn't invalidate the earlier points)
Both batsnacks and JAT are playing passively imo. We rate the claim true.
Why are you going out of your way to avoid the actual issue? Calix admitted herself that the association with batsnacks was a major part of her read. And knowing that what she said just makes 0 sense.
Go read HFs post about it instead of trying to sidestep. It sums it up pretty well.
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On October 06 2016 00:54 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:49 Grackaroni wrote:On October 06 2016 00:42 justanothertownie wrote:On October 06 2016 00:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 06 2016 00:37 justanothertownie wrote:On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him. Way to miss the point. I didn't. She said that you have been too reactive not that you are only scum because you are on a team with Batsnacks. Wrong. But irrelevant. Even if she scumread me independently I would still be mafia in her world and this still eould make no sense. Fact check: Calix has called JAT reactive. On October 05 2016 16:27 Calix wrote:Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them.
On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out. 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now. Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter). He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far. On October 05 2016 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I still maintain that I do not have a particular problem with his filter but I retract my confidence. This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter? On October 05 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:19 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:11 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out. 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now. Eh? I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot. In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter. Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals. #266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well" #334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands. This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm. On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 05 2016 00:26 Calix wrote:
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Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc.
On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him. No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia. offski Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia. Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position. HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this. Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand. Actually there is less of that stuff in his filter than I remembered. But there are still quite a few posts I would label as typical town bats posts. Maybe I didn't use the correct words to describe the tone: On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote:
Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here. On October 04 2016 21:45 batsnacks wrote:
lol someone said "Power Wolf" that sounds like a sex thing On October 04 2016 22:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also check out this skit I'm imagining
Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS
People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat
They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons
Pretty good right? First two look like typical shit-posts to me. Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him. So not terribly convinced here but I'll see. The quality of the content doesn't necessarily correlate with the overall usefullness of a post to get a read. Those ARE shitposts. But in my experience town batsnacks is more likely to make shitposts like that. If you want to judge him on content you will have a bad time if he is town. On October 05 2016 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:23 Calix wrote:
I'm not bothered about his shit-posts; they don't factor into the main issues I have with him.
I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum. He is definitely one of thise types. And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts: Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town. His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum. On October 05 2016 16:38 Calix wrote:
Also while I'm here, if anyone wants to present actual analysis for why batsnacks can be town, I'd like to hear it.
Because so far, I've seen nothing convincing outside of "he's hilarious" (courtesy of NU) and "some of his later posts were okay" (which doesn't invalidate the earlier points)
Both batsnacks and JAT are playing passively imo. We rate the claim true. Why are you going out of your way to avoid the actual issue? Calix admitted herself that the association with batsnacks was a major part of her read. And knowing that what she said just makes 0 sense. Go read HFs post about it instead of trying to sidestep. It sums it up pretty well.
I read the post, I just don't agree. Calix has been townie this game and I don't expect her to have 100% confidence that her scum team is right.
I have to go. Let us pray for Marv's benevolence.
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Also HF's JAT read in his rant post was super timid.
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On October 06 2016 00:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:54 justanothertownie wrote:On October 06 2016 00:49 Grackaroni wrote:On October 06 2016 00:42 justanothertownie wrote:On October 06 2016 00:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 06 2016 00:37 justanothertownie wrote:On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?
If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him. Way to miss the point. I didn't. She said that you have been too reactive not that you are only scum because you are on a team with Batsnacks. Wrong. But irrelevant. Even if she scumread me independently I would still be mafia in her world and this still eould make no sense. Fact check: Calix has called JAT reactive. On October 05 2016 16:27 Calix wrote:Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them.
On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out. 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now. Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter). He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far. On October 05 2016 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I still maintain that I do not have a particular problem with his filter but I retract my confidence. This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter? On October 05 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:19 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:11 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out. 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now. Eh? I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot. In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter. Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals. #266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well" #334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands. This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm. On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia.
offski Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia. Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position. HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this. Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand. Actually there is less of that stuff in his filter than I remembered. But there are still quite a few posts I would label as typical town bats posts. Maybe I didn't use the correct words to describe the tone: On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote:
Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here. On October 04 2016 21:45 batsnacks wrote:
lol someone said "Power Wolf" that sounds like a sex thing On October 04 2016 22:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also check out this skit I'm imagining
Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS
People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat
They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons
Pretty good right? First two look like typical shit-posts to me. Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him. So not terribly convinced here but I'll see. The quality of the content doesn't necessarily correlate with the overall usefullness of a post to get a read. Those ARE shitposts. But in my experience town batsnacks is more likely to make shitposts like that. If you want to judge him on content you will have a bad time if he is town. On October 05 2016 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:23 Calix wrote:
I'm not bothered about his shit-posts; they don't factor into the main issues I have with him.
I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum. He is definitely one of thise types. And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts: Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town. His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum. On October 05 2016 16:38 Calix wrote:
Also while I'm here, if anyone wants to present actual analysis for why batsnacks can be town, I'd like to hear it.
Because so far, I've seen nothing convincing outside of "he's hilarious" (courtesy of NU) and "some of his later posts were okay" (which doesn't invalidate the earlier points)
Both batsnacks and JAT are playing passively imo. We rate the claim true. Why are you going out of your way to avoid the actual issue? Calix admitted herself that the association with batsnacks was a major part of her read. And knowing that what she said just makes 0 sense. Go read HFs post about it instead of trying to sidestep. It sums it up pretty well. I read the post, I just don't agree. Calix has been townie this game and I don't expect her to have 100% confidence that her scum team is right. I have to go. Let us pray for Marv's benevolence.
THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DISAGREE ON.
She literally said it. Do I really need to look for the exact post?
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Grack = pretty decent lynch.
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He clearly decided he would defend calix no matter what before actually reading what has been said about her.
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On October 06 2016 01:07 justanothertownie wrote:
He clearly decided he would defend calix no matter what before actually reading what has been said about her.
Clearly
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