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But sarcasm aside:
That was a pretty bad mental fuckup. Mafia can forget the story they are trying to create but town usually doesn't lose track of their grasp on the game like that.
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On October 05 2016 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 22:49 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. What? This has nothing to do with you. He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped. I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment" I don't even get what your argument is here. Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what? I said that a large part of my scum-read on you revolves around scum!bat, not the entire thing. It's a possibility that I was asked about. I don't see how considering other possibilities where you AREN'T scum with batsnacks is a bad thing. As said before, I am skeptical that I have actually found two of the mafia on Day 1. Actually you know what? I'm not going to spend more time exploring this line of thought as it's pre-flip, relies on speculation and I don't even know if batsnacks is scum yet. Ask something more productive. Interesting. So you are weakening your read now when questioned. Very scummy.
Please state where I backtracked on my read of you. I clearly stated that my Grack idea was considering another possibility, not that you were less scummy.
If you're referring to my first line, I already said that earlier in the thread.
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On October 05 2016 22:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:49 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. What? This has nothing to do with you. He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped. I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment" I don't even get what your argument is here. Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what? I said that a large part of my scum-read on you revolves around scum!bat, not the entire thing. It's a possibility that I was asked about. I don't see how considering other possibilities where you AREN'T scum with batsnacks is a bad thing. As said before, I am skeptical that I have actually found two of the mafia on Day 1. Actually you know what? I'm not going to spend more time exploring this line of thought as it's pre-flip, relies on speculation and I don't even know if batsnacks is scum yet. Ask something more productive. Interesting. So you are weakening your read now when questioned. Very scummy. Please state where I backtracked on my read of you. I clearly stated that my Grack idea was considering another possibility, not that you were less scummy. If you're referring to my first line, I already said that earlier in the thread.
I am not interested in this shitfight which is about to ensue. I won't waste more time than this post on it.
Fact is your read on me is 99 % association with batsnacks and you just now completely "forgot" it. Now that I called you out on it you suddenly aren't interested in pre flip associations anymore. How convenient.
But sure. Let's stop making associations like that - they suck anyways.
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On October 05 2016 22:59 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 22:53 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:49 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. What? This has nothing to do with you. He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped. I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment" I don't even get what your argument is here. Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what? I said that a large part of my scum-read on you revolves around scum!bat, not the entire thing. It's a possibility that I was asked about. I don't see how considering other possibilities where you AREN'T scum with batsnacks is a bad thing. As said before, I am skeptical that I have actually found two of the mafia on Day 1. Actually you know what? I'm not going to spend more time exploring this line of thought as it's pre-flip, relies on speculation and I don't even know if batsnacks is scum yet. Ask something more productive. Interesting. So you are weakening your read now when questioned. Very scummy. Please state where I backtracked on my read of you. I clearly stated that my Grack idea was considering another possibility, not that you were less scummy. If you're referring to my first line, I already said that earlier in the thread. I am not interested in this shitfight which is about to ensue. I won't waste more time than this post on it. Fact is your read on me is 99 % association with batsnacks and you just now completely "forgot" it. Now that I called you out on it you suddenly aren't interested in pre flip associations anymore. How convenient. But sure. Let's stop making associations like that - they suck anyways.
My read is not entirely based on pre-flips and I didn't 'forget' about it as I've already said.
Yes, why don't you tell us where your reads are at? I'm having a hard time gauging your positions here.
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On October 05 2016 23:03 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 22:59 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:53 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:49 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?
If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. What? This has nothing to do with you. He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped. I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment" I don't even get what your argument is here. Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what? I said that a large part of my scum-read on you revolves around scum!bat, not the entire thing. It's a possibility that I was asked about. I don't see how considering other possibilities where you AREN'T scum with batsnacks is a bad thing. As said before, I am skeptical that I have actually found two of the mafia on Day 1. Actually you know what? I'm not going to spend more time exploring this line of thought as it's pre-flip, relies on speculation and I don't even know if batsnacks is scum yet. Ask something more productive. Interesting. So you are weakening your read now when questioned. Very scummy. Please state where I backtracked on my read of you. I clearly stated that my Grack idea was considering another possibility, not that you were less scummy. If you're referring to my first line, I already said that earlier in the thread. I am not interested in this shitfight which is about to ensue. I won't waste more time than this post on it. Fact is your read on me is 99 % association with batsnacks and you just now completely "forgot" it. Now that I called you out on it you suddenly aren't interested in pre flip associations anymore. How convenient. But sure. Let's stop making associations like that - they suck anyways. My read is not entirely based on pre-flips and I didn't 'forget' about it as I've already said. Yes, why don't you tell us where your reads are at? I'm having a hard time gauging your positions here.
I will give you guys a lynchpool before I have to leave in a few hours. Don't worry. But that takes more time than casually responding to the thread.
Why don't you start since you seem to have all the time in the world?
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On October 05 2016 23:05 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 23:03 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:59 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:53 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:49 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
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If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)
If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.
I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.
huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. What? This has nothing to do with you. He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped. I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment" I don't even get what your argument is here. Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what? I said that a large part of my scum-read on you revolves around scum!bat, not the entire thing. It's a possibility that I was asked about. I don't see how considering other possibilities where you AREN'T scum with batsnacks is a bad thing. As said before, I am skeptical that I have actually found two of the mafia on Day 1. Actually you know what? I'm not going to spend more time exploring this line of thought as it's pre-flip, relies on speculation and I don't even know if batsnacks is scum yet. Ask something more productive. Interesting. So you are weakening your read now when questioned. Very scummy. Please state where I backtracked on my read of you. I clearly stated that my Grack idea was considering another possibility, not that you were less scummy. If you're referring to my first line, I already said that earlier in the thread. I am not interested in this shitfight which is about to ensue. I won't waste more time than this post on it. Fact is your read on me is 99 % association with batsnacks and you just now completely "forgot" it. Now that I called you out on it you suddenly aren't interested in pre flip associations anymore. How convenient. But sure. Let's stop making associations like that - they suck anyways. My read is not entirely based on pre-flips and I didn't 'forget' about it as I've already said. Yes, why don't you tell us where your reads are at? I'm having a hard time gauging your positions here. I will give you guys a lynchpool before I have to leave in a few hours. Don't worry. But that takes more time than casually responding to the thread. Why don't you start since you seem to have all the time in the world?
No can do. I am going out shortly. (will probably be back before EOD though)
Unless you want me to clarify my position on individual players or whatever, then I'll leave you to it.
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On October 05 2016 20:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 20:33 marvellosity wrote:
And jat is frightfully dull. I also have less time than historically (hence first game in 4 months) but at least I say things occasionally interesting while i'm here You are dull. Also I remember you saying the exact same thing the last time I had little time to play. We all know how that ended. Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 20:35 marvellosity wrote:
also yeah, jat's push on Stutters looks quite bad. What about it looks bad exactly? It was an observation and I did not follow up on it since stutters did not post since then. Hardly a push.
well, i didn't mention stutters because there's nothing more to be expected from him, so it's maybe a bit weird you did
(plus i forgot about him, but shh)
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On October 05 2016 21:26 Palmar wrote:
I don't like Calix all that much. I was super impressed with her when I was mafia, but I don't think her approach this game is nearly as good. Maybe it's because I'm not aware of whether or not she's being clever (you tend to overestimate townies when you're scum) but who knows.
Calix's tone is too aggressive/lecturey for me to be paying that much attention to her posts
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I have the same conclusion s as cypherbia on grasp and bats. I think they are town.
I would Lynch jat 10 times before voting bats. Jat s defense on #811 ( can't quote from phone) was him saying that his play this game corresponds to his town meta. This is a prime example of a scum being aware of his town palsy and trying to replicate it.
Also, calix, why Re you using the bats. Jat interaction against bats? Jat defense of bats makes jat and jat only scummy.
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On October 05 2016 23:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 21:26 Palmar wrote:
I don't like Calix all that much. I was super impressed with her when I was mafia, but I don't think her approach this game is nearly as good. Maybe it's because I'm not aware of whether or not she's being clever (you tend to overestimate townies when you're scum) but who knows.
Calix's tone is too aggressive/lecturey for me to be paying that much attention to her posts
You're soft
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I get the opposite feeling tbh, that she's trying to appease whatever is asked of her while trying to appear lecture-y.
She backed down on the nu thing, she's not really pushing much, she's got hidden things like "oh i town read grack for silly things etc" that aren't fleshed out, she's forgotten reads multiple times and she put me in a mafia list when I shouldn't ever be there if she's thinking logically.
There's a big lapse in logic and a lot of barking imo.
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Calix dw about 791. I'm studying health science
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On October 05 2016 23:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 21:26 Palmar wrote:
I don't like Calix all that much. I was super impressed with her when I was mafia, but I don't think her approach this game is nearly as good. Maybe it's because I'm not aware of whether or not she's being clever (you tend to overestimate townies when you're scum) but who knows.
Calix's tone is too aggressive/lecturey for me to be paying that much attention to her posts
How is your time schedule? The likelihood that I will put my vote where you want it before I leave is pretty high so if I have to force myself to have time at some point it would be good if you were around aswell.
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NU, you raise a good point about JAT's defense re: meta. However, what makes you conclude that JAT/ Bats isn't scum defending scum? He switches between defending bats and distancing from him and it's a weird approach for scum/ town imo.
re: HF's post, that can be easily disproven by the fact that I have pushed NU, pushed Oats, pushed Superbia (to an extent) and helped start the batsnacks train. Anyone saying that I'm not pushing the game forward is either illiterate or scum at this point.
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On October 05 2016 23:41 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I have the same conclusion s as cypherbia on grasp and bats. I think they are town.
I would Lynch jat 10 times before voting bats. Jat s defense on #811 ( can't quote from phone) was him saying that his play this game corresponds to his town meta. This is a prime example of a scum being aware of his town palsy and trying to replicate it.
Also, calix, why Re you using the bats. Jat interaction against bats? Jat defense of bats makes jat and jat only scummy.
No, this is a prime example of someone getting scumread for playing his townmeta.
Your logic doesn't work. "He says he is playing his townmeta so obviously he is just trying to replicate it". Retarded.
If you don't believe me you can easily check if I am telling the truth.
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I'm going out in ~30 minutes, going to be out for a few hours and then I'm in for the evening. Generally my schedule is light because I'm at uni but today is busy for me so I might not get back before you leave.
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okay let's murder Calix and see what happens.
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On October 05 2016 23:48 Calix wrote:
NU, you raise a good point about JAT's defense re: meta. However, what makes you conclude that JAT/ Bats isn't scum defending scum? He switches between defending bats and distancing from him and it's a weird approach for scum/ town imo.
re: HF's post, that can be easily disproven by the fact that I have pushed NU, pushed Oats, pushed Superbia (to an extent) and helped start the batsnacks train. Anyone saying that I'm not pushing the game forward is either illiterate or scum at this point.
All of those pushes were bad apart from the Superbia and batsnacks one which other people are pushing instead.
You're supposed to be town leaders-y and you seem more reactive.
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On October 06 2016 00:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 23:48 Calix wrote:
NU, you raise a good point about JAT's defense re: meta. However, what makes you conclude that JAT/ Bats isn't scum defending scum? He switches between defending bats and distancing from him and it's a weird approach for scum/ town imo.
re: HF's post, that can be easily disproven by the fact that I have pushed NU, pushed Oats, pushed Superbia (to an extent) and helped start the batsnacks train. Anyone saying that I'm not pushing the game forward is either illiterate or scum at this point. All of those pushes were bad apart from the Superbia and batsnacks one which other people are pushing instead. You're supposed to be town leaders-y and you seem more reactive.
Your argument was that I hadn't been really pushing anyone.
I refute this point.
You change the argument to "Calix's pushes are bad"
Your last line is a terrible attempt at a meta-read. There is no One True Way for me to play and you have no idea how I 'usually' play given that you've seen me in ONE game.
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I still get weird feelings from every batsnacks post which is meh.
Batsnacks come back.
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