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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 05 2016 12:37 GMT
#881
btw, there's about 99% chance I sheep marv day 1.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 05 2016 12:37 GMT
#882
On October 05 2016 21:36 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 21:32 Palmar wrote:
On October 05 2016 21:29 Calix wrote:
The fact that you think that I'm a good player automatically tells me that you're overestimating my play.

Did you know that this should make me scumread you.

And I'm tempted to, I don't know though.

Thing is, when given credit in mafia, you should always take it as town. If I control the lynch as a townie, because people are willing to listen to me, I am automatically increasing town chances of succeeding by a tiny bit. I'm not going to lynch myself, so statistically I'm more likely to hit mafia from my pov.

Even then, it's always beneficial as town to have people listen to me. On the other hand, as mafia it's the other way around. If I know people won't listen to me as mafia, I'll just bus every day and call everyone bad until the game is over.

So, no matter your intention here, you did something that is objectively scummy. Thing is though, people do objectively scummy things all the time as all alignmnets.


tl;dr: You're accusing me of marginalising my own contributions.

Except I wasn't doing that because I didn't put down my own points. All I did was say "I'm not a good player" which is true as I'm not that experienced.

If you think it's 'objectively scummy' but you don't think it makes me scum then that means that you're accusing me of playing badly...which supports my point.


Essentially yes

For example, I am #1 player, therefore people listen to me.
Computer says mafia
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 05 2016 12:39 GMT
#883
On October 05 2016 21:37 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 21:36 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 21:32 Palmar wrote:
On October 05 2016 21:29 Calix wrote:
The fact that you think that I'm a good player automatically tells me that you're overestimating my play.

Did you know that this should make me scumread you.

And I'm tempted to, I don't know though.

Thing is, when given credit in mafia, you should always take it as town. If I control the lynch as a townie, because people are willing to listen to me, I am automatically increasing town chances of succeeding by a tiny bit. I'm not going to lynch myself, so statistically I'm more likely to hit mafia from my pov.

Even then, it's always beneficial as town to have people listen to me. On the other hand, as mafia it's the other way around. If I know people won't listen to me as mafia, I'll just bus every day and call everyone bad until the game is over.

So, no matter your intention here, you did something that is objectively scummy. Thing is though, people do objectively scummy things all the time as all alignmnets.


tl;dr: You're accusing me of marginalising my own contributions.

Except I wasn't doing that because I didn't put down my own points. All I did was say "I'm not a good player" which is true as I'm not that experienced.

If you think it's 'objectively scummy' but you don't think it makes me scum then that means that you're accusing me of playing badly...which supports my point.


Essentially yes

For example, I am #1 player, therefore people listen to me.


I'm not sure what the point of writing up a substantial post just to conclude "you're playing badly" is then, but this has already been covered.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 05 2016 12:46 GMT
#884
Ok now I'm gonna sheep Marv, so my vote is not useless Palmar....
Honestly though bats re-entry did not include a scum-read or Vote and it did include some stupid shit about "if I'm mafia and super is town, I have nothing to gain by hard defending super" except that 1, when super flips you get cred for being right, 2, your influence is so low that you aren't going to change anyone's minds. Vote threads suxk
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 05 2016 12:49 GMT
#885
Lol Palmar isn't making sense calix.

Don't get sidetracked by this shit

Talk to me about grack
No gg, No skill.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 05 2016 12:50 GMT
#886
On October 05 2016 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok now I'm gonna sheep Marv, so my vote is not useless Palmar....
Honestly though bats re-entry did not include a scum-read or Vote and it did include some stupid shit about "if I'm mafia and super is town, I have nothing to gain by hard defending super" except that 1, when super flips you get cred for being right, 2, your influence is so low that you aren't going to change anyone's minds. Vote threads suxk

I don't think your vote is useless. Why are you telling me that?
Computer says mafia
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 05 2016 12:58 GMT
#887
On October 05 2016 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol Palmar isn't making sense calix.

Don't get sidetracked by this shit

Talk to me about grack


I don't think he has done anything strongly town/ scum. He has made some points that I can see where he is coming from, however, such as his reasoning for town-reading Superbia.

But most of his filter is isolated points and stray comments with little commitment to anything, so hard to tell for sure.

Anything you want to say on him one way or the other?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 05 2016 13:00 GMT
#888
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 05 2016 13:09 GMT
#889
You fellas and ladies should start thinking about who other than me would be a good lynch today. Damdred is my preferred lynch right now I'll keep checking in though to see if i can find any chances to save myself

##vote: Damdred
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 05 2016 13:19 GMT
#890
You calix, tomato tomato, same thing
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 05 2016 13:20 GMT
#891
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 05 2016 13:21 GMT
#892
On October 05 2016 22:09 batsnacks wrote:
You fellas and ladies should start thinking about who other than me would be a good lynch today. Damdred is my preferred lynch right now I'll keep checking in though to see if i can find any chances to save myself

##vote: Damdred

Lol why would we do that when you don't even care about saving yourself?
No gg, No skill.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 05 2016 13:26 GMT
#893
On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.

Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 05 2016 13:31 GMT
#894
On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.


Ok sounds good.
No gg, No skill.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
October 05 2016 13:35 GMT
#895
On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.


huh

I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 05 2016 13:39 GMT
#896
On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.


huh

I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all.


What? This has nothing to do with you.

He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped.

I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment"

I don't even get what your argument is here.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
October 05 2016 13:42 GMT
#897
On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.


huh

I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all.


What? This has nothing to do with you.

He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped.

I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment"

I don't even get what your argument is here.

Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 13:43 GMT
#898
Oh look calix forgot her associations again.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 05 2016 13:49 GMT
#899
On October 05 2016 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.


huh

I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all.


What? This has nothing to do with you.

He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped.

I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment"

I don't even get what your argument is here.

Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what?


I said that a large part of my scum-read on you revolves around scum!bat, not the entire thing.

It's a possibility that I was asked about. I don't see how considering other possibilities where you AREN'T scum with batsnacks is a bad thing. As said before, I am skeptical that I have actually found two of the mafia on Day 1.

Actually you know what? I'm not going to spend more time exploring this line of thought as it's pre-flip, relies on speculation and I don't even know if batsnacks is scum yet. Ask something more productive.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
October 05 2016 13:51 GMT
#900
On October 05 2016 22:49 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.


huh

I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all.


What? This has nothing to do with you.

He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped.

I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment"

I don't even get what your argument is here.

Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what?


I said that a large part of my scum-read on you revolves around scum!bat, not the entire thing.

It's a possibility that I was asked about. I don't see how considering other possibilities where you AREN'T scum with batsnacks is a bad thing. As said before, I am skeptical that I have actually found two of the mafia on Day 1.

Actually you know what? I'm not going to spend more time exploring this line of thought as it's pre-flip, relies on speculation and I don't even know if batsnacks is scum yet. Ask something more productive.

Interesting. So you are weakening your read now when questioned. Very scummy.
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