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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 06 2016 07:34 GMT
#19
/in
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 07 2016 01:07 GMT
#50
Just started work today, and starting school back up tomorrow. Definitely best time to return to mafia ^^
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 07 2016 08:08 GMT
#58
I don't remember receiving this test
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 08 2016 18:30 GMT
#93
I am in class until about 5-6 hours after we start, I believe. Just a heads up ^^
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 08 2016 22:45 GMT
#156
Hi, got a quick break.

I'm feeling a lot of indignation from calix, which I usually consider to be more of a town tell.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 00:22 GMT
#190
On September 09 2016 08:17 Vivax wrote:
The calix issue for me is that she was so intent on proceeding to splitting atoms with me when I pointed it out.

I'd have felt better about the post if I just had gotten back as answer "alright it's fluffy but I wanted to talk about setup so it's obvious that it's going to be fluffy" instead of her defending the points she made so rabidly (for example in fear of looking bad if not able to defend them).

It's early enough for me to still chill and force silent people to post without having to jump into tunnels, so I'll just judge calix based on other stuff as well, but this will definitely be an argument should I decide for myself that she's mafia.

Actually a good point, may have to reexamine your argument when I get out of class.

And I've used my 2 15 minute break to at least say something about the game (regardless of how minimal it is). Not sure I fit with anyone who's trolled or called everyone boring and skipped off.

@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 02:33 GMT
#229
On September 09 2016 09:26 Tumblewood wrote:
fuba also seems pretty cool

While I appreciate it, it always makes me uncomfortable when people town read me, especially D1 XD
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 02:34 GMT
#230
On September 09 2016 09:29 Grackaroni wrote:
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On September 09 2016 07:25 Shapelog wrote:
Vivax point is good (or at least points out the inconsistent in agenda)
On September 09 2016 07:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On September 09 2016 07:14 Shapelog wrote:
So....Your scum reading her, based off of (meta) pro-noun usage.


Incorrect. It's based off her fluff, her LW setup spec that didn't advantage town, and her misreading the setup.

The town roles are so straightforward, no town would think that there are PRs D1.

But you said the bold was NAI?
Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot.


I can kinda understand the rest.

I was expecting to find some good stuff here, but Vivax's points are actually really meh.

We're talking about the set up here. There's no reason whatsoever why scum would have worse thoughts on the setup than town.

Also fair warning: If I get lynched day 1 I'm totally shooting.

Second paragraph also a great point. Occurred to me as well, but I forgot :/
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 02:46 GMT
#237
On September 09 2016 11:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2016 11:33 fuba wrote:
On September 09 2016 09:26 Tumblewood wrote:
fuba also seems pretty cool

While I appreciate it, it always makes me uncomfortable when people town read me, especially D1 XD


A) "seems pretty cool" =/= Town-read. Can hardly even call it a read.

B) I agree that you've done nothing worthy of being town-read so far. 4 "I'm alive" posts shouldn't warrant a t-r.

C) Why did you specify "especially D1"?

A) what else would it mean in the context of a mafia game?

B) Cool story bro.

C) I have no idea what to do D1. It tends to get me in hot water early. Really, I'm not all that great until a few days have passed. Great at hyper-analyzing everything everyone's said at a later date, though.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 03:03 GMT
#242
I can't point at anything explicitly wrong with your case, aside from the fact that the weakest reasons (at least in my eyes) could apply to me as well. The rest is enough to make it easily best case so far.

*sheeps*
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 03:10 GMT
#245
Meh, I can live with that for now.

Only the "I like this post" part. Not a big deal.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 03:10 GMT
#246
And it wasn't so much straight up weak as much as I don't find it compelling because I do that too.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 12:32 GMT
#371
On September 09 2016 20:41 Superbia wrote:
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On September 09 2016 20:37 Calix wrote:
On September 09 2016 20:31 Superbia wrote:
On September 09 2016 20:26 Calix wrote:
Yo. Doesn't look like much happened. What I got was:

- Superbia is really townie given his setup-spec talk and stream-of-consciousness style posting and I don't see scum ever entering the thread like that. Also I agree with the reads he's posted. Palmar's flippancy is also kinda town although that might just be his personality. He wasn't amazingly involved in the setup talk but the way the conversation progressed made me feel good about him.

- Don't like Grackaroni. It feels like he's just hanging on the sidelines; he wasn't very involved in the discussion and most of the posts I read while catching up seemed like he was posting for the sake of looking active. Like there were a lot of places where he could have posted something substantial and he just made some joke comment instead.

- I don't like Tumblewood still.

On September 09 2016 14:03 Tumblewood wrote:
On September 09 2016 11:00 Holyflare wrote:
You shouldn't expect a follow up from Tumblewood that guy is 100% free madia lynch bait.


i'm just not gonna waste 4 hours explaining myself to some scrub who thinks he's caught me in a lie
On September 09 2016 10:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On September 09 2016 10:21 Tumblewood wrote:
pls stop making me explain myself


It's kind of the point of the game.

If you have reads but can't express them, no one's going to follow them, and you're as useless as town-Palmar.

Explain them.

see?
it's not even my reads that are unexplained. it's my non-reads. like I have to waste my time explaining why you're all scrubs and I'm not scum for saying something but not drawing a conclusion from it
The worst post of this game and I've only read like 8 posts.

but that makes it seem less bad if it's only one of 8 posts you've seen
On September 09 2016 11:33 fuba wrote:
On September 09 2016 09:26 Tumblewood wrote:
fuba also seems pretty cool

While I appreciate it, it always makes me uncomfortable when people town read me, especially D1 XD

sorry nvm you're scum + Show Spoiler [in case you couldn't tell] +
that was a j o k e and I still think he is town

can I just complain about new players for a sec? cause I'm reading some posts by NU and he keeps attacking people for being lazy. I get the intentions and that may or not be valid on your home site but here on TL lazy is the meta. it's like a competition for who can look the laziest each game.

I want to sheep you hf but after last game I'm paranoid


I'll take "avoiding the main points being raised against me" for £200, Alex.

Add a dose of unnecessary off-topic whining about Teh N00bs. Oh noes.

That last line is really scummy. It's the classic "oh I'll give lip service to lynching X scummy person but then I'll give some bullshit excuse to not follow up on it" scum tactic when the scum feel compelled to talk about their scummy partners but don't actually want to bus them - there is literally NO reason to not vote for Ticktock at this point in time. Paranoia isn't a logical excuse - wouldn't you want to clarify your suspicions by pressuring Ticktock? Why is no-voting better exactly?

- The only point of Holyflare's that I find compelling is Ticktock's contradiction ("I find setup spec boring, here's some setup spec") since it makes his point look like filler. Everything else is just background noise compared to that point imo.

tl;dr: Grackaroni/ Tumblewood/ Ticktock are my scum-reads and the fact that they are low-key defending each other just makes me feel more confident that lynching among these three is the best option.


So:
- I'm town
- My one townread is town.
- All my mafia reads are mafia.

Good reads.

In all seriousness, nice pocket regardless of your alignment. Townpass-ish!

What do you think of NeverUnlucky? You've played with him before, right?


I have.

He's a scrub but he's town. He's more proactive and abrasive compared to his scum play. He gets mislynched a lot given he's presumptuous, arrogant, prone to trolling, has poor persuasion abilities, etc, so I am not surprised that he's under some suspicion.

I am also 99% sure that he's read like, one or two past games on this site and that's why he's acting like he knows what everyone's meta is. Recently, he read one of my scum games from five months ago and now thinks he's an expert. That's how he rolls.


Is he prone to be abrasive and yet form no actual opinion on someone? He calls TW 'lynchbait', which suggests he is TRing him, but nothing suggests he is reaching any actual conclusion. Seems weird to put seemingly that much energy/emotion into something but reach no real conclusion.

This was the one thing that really stood out to me from last night. He seems to be, at best, town reading TW and at worst, accidentally admitting he knows TW is town. I'm willing to trust calix's meta knowledge atm though. Would revisit him if something crazy happens or TW does end up flipping town.

In any case, ticktock not returning after dinner last night makes me feel even better about my vote.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 12:34 GMT
#374
On September 09 2016 21:33 Holyflare wrote:
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about my vote


Wow.

You mean my vote, you belong to me now.

My apologies.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 17:53 GMT
#571
I'd thought that "lynchbait" is when a player is prone to attracting votes as town, which would indicate a TW town read from NU, given that he doesn't have any knowledge of TW's meta. And I was well aware that this is contrary to his general thoughts on TW at that point in the game. That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip.

Actually, mentioning that he's lynchbait is counterproductive to getting TW lynched, so why even mention it? Gonna need to think about this more after work - need my computer in front of me XD
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 21:12 GMT
#610
On September 10 2016 03:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 02:53 fuba wrote:
I'd thought that "lynchbait" is when a player is prone to attracting votes as town, which would indicate a TW town read from NU, given that he doesn't have any knowledge of TW's meta. And I was well aware that this is contrary to his general thoughts on TW at that point in the game. That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip.

Actually, mentioning that he's lynchbait is counterproductive to getting TW lynched, so why even mention it? Gonna need to think about this more after work - need my computer in front of me XD


Odd that you change your stance on this point after Vivax and I called you out for it.

Calling him bad =/= town-reading him.

What does my knowledge of TW's meta have to do with any of this?

"That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip."
So you know he is going to flip town with the addition of the 'when'. I do not see why else you found the need to add this word after 'if' which is a conditional, meaning you know he's town. Scumslip.
You're also trying to tie up TW's flip to me which is scummy as fuck. IE - X flipped town and was pushed by Y, therefore Y is scum. You are already setting up a mislynch on me knowing that TW will flip town.

What makes you say that I wanted him lynched? Scum-read =/= desire to lynch

Fuba is scum.

This is the single most nonsensical response to any post I have ever written. Excited to get home and absolutely tear it to tiny bits of terrible case.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 21:26 GMT
#616
On September 10 2016 06:08 Vivax wrote:
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On September 10 2016 04:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share.


I don't see anything wrong about this? Isn't she allowed to have a few reads that are the same as yours? Or to change her mind?

Doesn't really seem like a reason to be suspicious of anything to me. I'm glad somebody else sees that fuba is playing very timidly to say the least. On top of it he attacked you with superbia for calling TW lynch bait, but not HF. Seems especially strange cause you were more vocal about the opinion on TW.

HF has the right to call TW lynchbait based off of meta. NU has to call him lynchbait based on his knowledge from this game. Which means he thinks or knows that TW is town. If that is not the case, then he should just think he is scum. Calling him lynchbait is at the least inconsistent with his scumread of TW. At worst it is a slip. And his intentional misinterpretation of the post he quoted is making me think slip.

How is this not obvious?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 21:44 GMT
#626
On September 10 2016 06:33 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 06:26 fuba wrote:
On September 10 2016 06:08 Vivax wrote:
On September 10 2016 04:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share.


I don't see anything wrong about this? Isn't she allowed to have a few reads that are the same as yours? Or to change her mind?

Doesn't really seem like a reason to be suspicious of anything to me. I'm glad somebody else sees that fuba is playing very timidly to say the least. On top of it he attacked you with superbia for calling TW lynch bait, but not HF. Seems especially strange cause you were more vocal about the opinion on TW.

HF has the right to call TW lynchbait based off of meta. NU has to call him lynchbait based on his knowledge from this game. Which means he thinks or knows that TW is town. If that is not the case, then he should just think he is scum. Calling him lynchbait is at the least inconsistent with his scumread of TW. At worst it is a slip. And his intentional misinterpretation of the post he quoted is making me think slip.

How is this not obvious?


FYI Tumble is not lynch bait. When he started playing around here he was perfectly capable of concise , informative posts with lists and reasoning and stuff, and he was jailkeeper a while back and got NKd N1. Not lynched.

Not sure why he's started to go into wobbly land with his posting, but when he posts differently than in those games it's never a bad call to lynch him.

And what does this have to do with you bitching about NU for using that term but not finding it suspicious in the slightest in HF? Is there any particular wording I missed that NU used that makes it more worth noticing?

I could at least see HF having a different view of TW than you. I read the first few pages of the last game and thought TW was scum. HF was there, and said he had felt the same. In any case, it doesn't matter, because he at least has a right to an opinion of whether TW is lynchbait or not. He's seen him play as town before.

NU has not. He has no reference point from which to call TW lynchbait. Except for this game. You are lynchbait if, as town, you behave in a scummy manner. UN only has this game from which to draw a conclusion.

As I say this, I realize that I'm assuming it's his first game here rather than one of his first games here. However, assuming he's never played with TW before, my point stands strong.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 21:49 GMT
#631
And if the issue is that we have different definitions of lynchbait, I may have e to reevaluate everything I said, and so should he.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 21:49 GMT
#632
Gonna address your earlier post once I get home and walk the dog. Need quotes and such.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 21:58 GMT
#638
On September 10 2016 06:44 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 06:33 Vivax wrote:
On September 10 2016 06:26 fuba wrote:
On September 10 2016 06:08 Vivax wrote:
On September 10 2016 04:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share.


I don't see anything wrong about this? Isn't she allowed to have a few reads that are the same as yours? Or to change her mind?

Doesn't really seem like a reason to be suspicious of anything to me. I'm glad somebody else sees that fuba is playing very timidly to say the least. On top of it he attacked you with superbia for calling TW lynch bait, but not HF. Seems especially strange cause you were more vocal about the opinion on TW.

HF has the right to call TW lynchbait based off of meta. NU has to call him lynchbait based on his knowledge from this game. Which means he thinks or knows that TW is town. If that is not the case, then he should just think he is scum. Calling him lynchbait is at the least inconsistent with his scumread of TW. At worst it is a slip. And his intentional misinterpretation of the post he quoted is making me think slip.

How is this not obvious?


FYI Tumble is not lynch bait. When he started playing around here he was perfectly capable of concise , informative posts with lists and reasoning and stuff, and he was jailkeeper a while back and got NKd N1. Not lynched.

Not sure why he's started to go into wobbly land with his posting, but when he posts differently than in those games it's never a bad call to lynch him.

And what does this have to do with you bitching about NU for using that term but not finding it suspicious in the slightest in HF? Is there any particular wording I missed that NU used that makes it more worth noticing?

I could at least see HF having a different view of TW than you. I read the first few pages of the last game and thought TW was scum. HF was there, and said he had felt the same. In any case, it doesn't matter, because he at least has a right to an opinion of whether TW is lynchbait or not. He's seen him play as town before.

NU has not. He has no reference point from which to call TW lynchbait. Except for this game. You are lynchbait if, as town, you behave in a scummy manner. UN only has this game from which to draw a conclusion.

As I say this, I realize that I'm assuming it's his first game here rather than one of his first games here. However, assuming he's never played with TW before, my point stands strong.

No response vivax?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 22:08 GMT
#642
On September 10 2016 07:03 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 06:58 fuba wrote:
On September 10 2016 06:44 fuba wrote:
On September 10 2016 06:33 Vivax wrote:
On September 10 2016 06:26 fuba wrote:
On September 10 2016 06:08 Vivax wrote:
On September 10 2016 04:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share.


I don't see anything wrong about this? Isn't she allowed to have a few reads that are the same as yours? Or to change her mind?

Doesn't really seem like a reason to be suspicious of anything to me. I'm glad somebody else sees that fuba is playing very timidly to say the least. On top of it he attacked you with superbia for calling TW lynch bait, but not HF. Seems especially strange cause you were more vocal about the opinion on TW.

HF has the right to call TW lynchbait based off of meta. NU has to call him lynchbait based on his knowledge from this game. Which means he thinks or knows that TW is town. If that is not the case, then he should just think he is scum. Calling him lynchbait is at the least inconsistent with his scumread of TW. At worst it is a slip. And his intentional misinterpretation of the post he quoted is making me think slip.

How is this not obvious?


FYI Tumble is not lynch bait. When he started playing around here he was perfectly capable of concise , informative posts with lists and reasoning and stuff, and he was jailkeeper a while back and got NKd N1. Not lynched.

Not sure why he's started to go into wobbly land with his posting, but when he posts differently than in those games it's never a bad call to lynch him.

And what does this have to do with you bitching about NU for using that term but not finding it suspicious in the slightest in HF? Is there any particular wording I missed that NU used that makes it more worth noticing?

I could at least see HF having a different view of TW than you. I read the first few pages of the last game and thought TW was scum. HF was there, and said he had felt the same. In any case, it doesn't matter, because he at least has a right to an opinion of whether TW is lynchbait or not. He's seen him play as town before.

NU has not. He has no reference point from which to call TW lynchbait. Except for this game. You are lynchbait if, as town, you behave in a scummy manner. UN only has this game from which to draw a conclusion.

As I say this, I realize that I'm assuming it's his first game here rather than one of his first games here. However, assuming he's never played with TW before, my point stands strong.

No response vivax?


It's a response that seemed reasonable, but that's it. In the context of him actually scumreading TW, I don't see how you reach the conclusion that he's mafia for calling him lynch bait in whatever way.

I assume you think he spewed him town there having TMI? Important question.

I'm gonna come up with an analogy that will explain my current thought process about this eventually.

To answer your question, I didn't originally think so, but since I was brought up, and I started to think about it more closely, yes. From my perspective, the only way UN could see TW as lynchbait is if he knows he's town.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 22:11 GMT
#645
Though this also now depends on whether or not I believe UN's definition of lynchbait is what he says it is. If it's actually more like mine, and he's downplaying it, then he's scum. If it's actually the way he describes it, I'll have to rethink it when I'm not in my current bias-mode.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 22:12 GMT
#646
On September 10 2016 07:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
^ Yes, it is what he thinks I did. I think he did the same thing in another post (to which he hasn't replied).

Chill. That will be handled on a point-by-point basis when I'm home.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 22:19 GMT
#649
On September 10 2016 07:17 Damdred wrote:
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On September 10 2016 07:12 fuba wrote:
On September 10 2016 07:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
^ Yes, it is what he thinks I did. I think he did the same thing in another post (to which he hasn't replied).

Chill. That will be handled on a point-by-point basis when I'm home.


This looks like a town post, 5 points to anyone who can say why.

Because I wrote it. I will accept my points if and when I flip.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 22:19 GMT
#650
Wait, you said looks like, not "is".

Nvm -_-
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 23:38 GMT
#669
On September 10 2016 03:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On September 10 2016 02:53 fuba wrote:
I'd thought that "lynchbait" is when a player is prone to attracting votes as town, which would indicate a TW town read from NU, given that he doesn't have any knowledge of TW's meta. And I was well aware that this is contrary to his general thoughts on TW at that point in the game. That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip.

Actually, mentioning that he's lynchbait is counterproductive to getting TW lynched, so why even mention it? Gonna need to think about this more after work - need my computer in front of me XD


Odd that you change your stance on this point after Vivax and I called you out for it.

What did I change my mind about? Nothing really changed about what I said earlier, aside from my second from last sentence bringing up a point I hadn't considered before.

Calling him bad =/= town-reading him.

I may have rushed my explanation, but I didn't think you were townreading him. That is why it's strange you would call him lynchbait in your first game with him. It implied believing TW was town despite your push against him.

What does my knowledge of TW's meta have to do with any of this?

Covered this.

"That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip."
So you know he is going to flip town with the addition of the 'when'. I do not see why else you found the need to add this word after 'if' which is a conditional, meaning you know he's town. Scumslip.

Flimsiest "scumslip" I've ever heard of. Like, it's so insignificant that it's ridiculously hard to come up with any response. People say "if and when" all the time. They say it when they mean "if". It's not indicative of anything whatsoever.

You're also trying to tie up TW's flip to me which is scummy as fuck. IE - X flipped town and was pushed by Y, therefore Y is scum. You are already setting up a mislynch on me knowing that TW will flip town.

I'm thinking about the game. That is what you are accusing me of. People decide that if something happens, it would likely indicate something else literally all the time. It's like a core aspect of the game. You're making it seem as though what I said requires that I know TW is town, which it does not. Whole point is null and void. (see how I could have just said null, but I said both together because it is a thing that people say?)

You're also saying this despite the fact that you strongly feel TW is scum. Do you see the problem here? You're saying both of us are scum, while at the same time saying that my supposition that a town TW could mean a scum UN is setting you up for a lynch. It's impossible in your scenario for both of us to be scum, but that is what you would have us believe. While I said that if TW flips town, you might be scum, you are calling me scum NOW for something that goes against your own belief in what's going on in the thread.

Man this feels good.

What makes you say that I wanted him lynched? Scum-read =/= desire to lynch

That is, in fact, the definition of a scum read for me. Not sure how you could not want to lynch scum reads. I suppose that from your PoV as someone who plays with more scumreads than there are scum, you don't want to lynch them all maybe? However, this is a silly nonsensical thing to point out. It's obvious what I meant.

Fuba is scum.

Uh, false.


Going through this actually made me more confident in you being scum. Especially that second (technically third) response from the end. You're looking at the game as someone who has to make himself see people as scum because he knows they're not. The whole "lynchbait" thing doesn't even need to come into play, even though I still think it holds weight.

Time to eat.
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
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September 09 2016 23:42 GMT
#671
On September 10 2016 07:28 Vivax wrote:
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On September 10 2016 07:08 fuba wrote:
On September 10 2016 07:03 Vivax wrote:
On September 10 2016 06:58 fuba wrote:
On September 10 2016 06:44 fuba wrote:
On September 10 2016 06:33 Vivax wrote:
On September 10 2016 06:26 fuba wrote:
On September 10 2016 06:08 Vivax wrote:
On September 10 2016 04:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share.


I don't see anything wrong about this? Isn't she allowed to have a few reads that are the same as yours? Or to change her mind?

Doesn't really seem like a reason to be suspicious of anything to me. I'm glad somebody else sees that fuba is playing very timidly to say the least. On top of it he attacked you with superbia for calling TW lynch bait, but not HF. Seems especially strange cause you were more vocal about the opinion on TW.

HF has the right to call TW lynchbait based off of meta. NU has to call him lynchbait based on his knowledge from this game. Which means he thinks or knows that TW is town. If that is not the case, then he should just think he is scum. Calling him lynchbait is at the least inconsistent with his scumread of TW. At worst it is a slip. And his intentional misinterpretation of the post he quoted is making me think slip.

How is this not obvious?


FYI Tumble is not lynch bait. When he started playing around here he was perfectly capable of concise , informative posts with lists and reasoning and stuff, and he was jailkeeper a while back and got NKd N1. Not lynched.

Not sure why he's started to go into wobbly land with his posting, but when he posts differently than in those games it's never a bad call to lynch him.

And what does this have to do with you bitching about NU for using that term but not finding it suspicious in the slightest in HF? Is there any particular wording I missed that NU used that makes it more worth noticing?

I could at least see HF having a different view of TW than you. I read the first few pages of the last game and thought TW was scum. HF was there, and said he had felt the same. In any case, it doesn't matter, because he at least has a right to an opinion of whether TW is lynchbait or not. He's seen him play as town before.

NU has not. He has no reference point from which to call TW lynchbait. Except for this game. You are lynchbait if, as town, you behave in a scummy manner. UN only has this game from which to draw a conclusion.

As I say this, I realize that I'm assuming it's his first game here rather than one of his first games here. However, assuming he's never played with TW before, my point stands strong.

No response vivax?


It's a response that seemed reasonable, but that's it. In the context of him actually scumreading TW, I don't see how you reach the conclusion that he's mafia for calling him lynch bait in whatever way.

I assume you think he spewed him town there having TMI? Important question.

I'm gonna come up with an analogy that will explain my current thought process about this eventually.

To answer your question, I didn't originally think so, but since I was brought up, and I started to think about it more closely, yes. From my perspective, the only way UN could see TW as lynchbait is if he knows he's town.


This is what I wanted to hear. Cause you pointed him spewing TW town at a time when you were scumreading TW, which makes it in my opinion a very unlikely thought to come to your mind when reading NUs post.

Or explained differently. If you're holding the belief that TW is scum, you wouldn't hold the belief that somebody just scumslipped that he's town.

Which is one more reason you're a good lynch !

I don't actually remember saying anything about TW all game. I've only mentioned him in relation to NU's comments about him. Are you thinking about ticktock? Because I am scumreading ticktock. He was really my only scumread until all of this happened.
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 09 2016 23:50 GMT
#672
And before anyone mentions it, I am still voting for TT right now. If my post above didn't convince anyone, then I'm not going to have the impetus today and tomorrow to push it through. Scum NU doesn't eliminate scum TT as far as I can remember.

I work tomorrow from 8am-4pm, which is the deadline. I may be able to pop in about 3-4 hours before that for a few minutes, but will be otherwise unavailable.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 10 2016 02:50 GMT
#736
Just want to point out now that this post took me way too long to write, so I go on a bit of a journey with regards to my attitude during it XD Think I've generally cleaned it up enough to give my accurate final thoughts.

I really don't feel like responding to this. Wanted to take a step back from this game.

This bugs the shit out of me, because you bitched so much about me not responding even though I told you exactly when I would respond. Then I respond, and you "don't feel like responding to this". You wanted it a short while ago, when you used it to make me look scummy. Now you don't? Ugh.
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On September 10 2016 08:38 fuba wrote:
What did I change my mind about? Nothing really changed about what I said earlier, aside from my second from last sentence bringing up a point I hadn't considered before.


Go read.

I have. This doesn't clarify anything, only makes it harder for me to respond to you.
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I may have rushed my explanation, but I didn't think you were townreading him. That is why it's strange you would call him lynchbait in your first game with him. It implied believing TW was town despite your push against him.


See, you're contradicting yourself again. You state that you didn't think that I was town-reading him, yet believe that I thought he was town. Town-reading someone IS thinking someone is town.

I have not once contradicted myself. If I'm pointing out a contradiction I've found in what YOU said, it doesn't mean I'm the one making a contradiction. The contradiction is that you are both supposedly scumreading TW, while at the same time declaring him town as lynchbait. That is the contradiction.

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Flimsiest "scumslip" I've ever heard of. Like, it's so insignificant that it's ridiculously hard to come up with any response. People say "if and when" all the time. They say it when they mean "if". It's not indicative of anything whatsoever.

Very cool, very interesting, very dank.

However, the question was: why did you feel the need to add 'when' in there? What does this word tell us that 'if' doesn't? Nothing, but implying that you knew that TW was town.

Completely ignored me. I've already responded to this. It's a ridiculous reason to scumread someone, and is not in any way a scumslip. It's actually impossible for it to be.

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I'm thinking about the game. That is what you are accusing me of. People decide that if something happens, it would likely indicate something else literally all the time. It's like a core aspect of the game. You're making it seem as though what I said requires that I know TW is town, which it does not. Whole point is null and void. (see how I could have just said null, but I said both together because it is a thing that people say?)


You are only thinking about me and TW. All of your posts are about either of us. You're not thinking about the game.

AGAIN, you talk theoretically without making connections to the game which is a scumtell!

So you're not players in the game? I've made clear connections to the game. You're the one talking theoretically. As I mentioned before, you're the one making calls now based on some perceived future theoretical town-flip of TW. You. Are. The. One. Talking. Theoretically. (at least in this dialogue between us that no one seems to want to comment on )
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You're also saying this despite the fact that you strongly feel TW is scum. Do you see the problem here? You're saying both of us are scum, while at the same time saying that my supposition that a town TW could mean a scum UN is setting you up for a lynch. It's impossible in your scenario for both of us to be scum, but that is what you would have us believe. While I said that if TW flips town, you might be scum, you are calling me scum NOW for something that goes against your own belief in what's going on in the thread.


I don't strongly feel that TW is scum, that's not true. The only read I am confident in is my Vivax TR. If I strongly felt that TW was scum, I'd be voting him.

Lmao, you talk about pre-flip associations Day 1. I scum-read you both individually, not as a team. No one should read players off of others, especially not D1.

I called you scum a while back, sir.

What is the "something that goes against my own belief in what's going on in the thread"?

You gave reasons for me to be at least slightly townie 10 hours ago. You decided I was scum 7 hours ago. Wouldn't really call that "calling me scum a while back". In any case, you clearly thought TW was scum. The level of that read is irrelevant. And YOU ARE THE ONE TALKING ABOUT PRE FLIP ASSOCIATIONS DAY ONE AND VOTING ON THAT ASSOCIATION. I mentioned a single thing: that in the future if TW flips town then I would reinvestigate what you had said. This is not at all alignment indicative. Half of the game has already done that. You, however, are deciding that I'm setting you up for a lynch by doing so and voting me for that. Nearly exclusively. The rest being "I didn't like his posts earlier and he said 'when'". I realize that's minimizing what your actual arguments are from your point of view, but that's really all they are to me.

And I'm just going to repeat that my read on you has nothing to do with anyone else's alignment. I don't really know how to make it any clearer, but I guess I'll try. My first point was that you, while supposedly scumreading TW, called him lynchbait, which in my mind indicates you on some level see him as town. The thought was that the only reason you would say that is as an accident (because "town NU" thinks TW is scummy), and it would be because you ultimately know him to be town. It doesn't have anything to do with me knowing his alignment. He could be whatever. It's that the only reason you would call him lynchbait when you think he's scum, without knowing from previous games that he might be perceived as lynchbait by some people (i.e. you have no personal meta read of him) is that you know he is town in this game, and accidentally reveal that fact. However, if we simply have different definitions of lynchbait, most of this can't be guaranteed true.

The second point was that while scumreading TW, you decide that I am scum, trying to push a mislynch on you when TW flips town. You think he's scum, but you think he's town, so you think I'm scum. Or you think he's scum, and you want to be able to say you think I'm scum, so you decide he's going to flip town. I kept running through the scenarios and it comes down to you claiming in thread that you think he's scum, but you're mentally making him town for the purpose of getting me lynched. Essentially, you're having trouble keeping your reads straight because you know the people you're accusing are town.
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That is, in fact, the definition of a scum read for me. Not sure how you could not want to lynch scum reads. I suppose that from your PoV as someone who plays with more scumreads than there are scum, you don't want to lynch them all maybe? However, this is a silly nonsensical thing to point out. It's obvious what I meant.


I'm standing at 6 scum-reads, there are 3 scums. Of course I do not want to lynch all of my scum-reads even more so because I am not confident enough in most of them.

Yes, it's a common thing for players not to systematically want to lynch their scum-reads. i.e. I wouldn't ever lynch Calix day 1 even if I scum-read her because she at least posts and tries to contribute, and I respect that.

I think this little debate isn't really going anywhere. We play in different ways, so while I don't have scumreads unless I want to lynch them, you have plenty of scumreads and therefore don't want to lynch them all. Just gonna have to agree to disagree, and it doesn't really help the discussion. Kinda sorry I brought it up.

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Going through this actually made me more confident in you being scum. Especially that second (technically third) response from the end. You're looking at the game as someone who has to make himself see people as scum because he knows they're not. The whole "lynchbait" thing doesn't even need to come into play, even though I still think it holds weight.


If you look at my posts on people, it's clear that I do not know anyone's alignment. My reads have always been nuanced and always had reasoning (like it or not, I have reasoning to sr you).

Perhaps the second to last sentence is true. You're right that I've mostly focused on this one scenario to the exclusion of much else. It's kind of what I do - see something and latch onto it. I still don't think I'm wrong, but I'll look at your filter tomorrow. Thing is, I feel like you can often distill entire games down into individual moments. Defining moments. Like someone accidentally revealing his scumread is town, or subconsciously allowing privileged information to color their reads and explanations of their reads on other players.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 10 2016 12:46 GMT
#747
Woke up an hour late, so this will be a real quick pop in as I go to work. I might have a few minutes around 4.5 hours from now. Not sure when my break is.

Regarding NU: there are things I really want to clarify from his last post about me, but no one seems to agree with my case, so I'm setting it aside for now. No one agreeing tends to mean I'm on the wrong track, anyway. Thinking back, I do remember thinking he was town before I went all paranoid (I guess) about the lynchbait thing. I can't reaffirm that without going back and rereading his filter, which I don't have e time for atm, so I'm just going to entertain the idea that he's town for now.

I can read a single filter on the way to work. Likely a short one. Got any more info on your damdred scum read NU, or is it already in your filter.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 10 2016 12:57 GMT
#748
I know I want to hear his reason for that one post of mine being a town post.
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 10 2016 17:59 GMT
#840
My current thoughts on TT are that no one could really defend him if he's not going to defend himself. It kind of eliminates that entire line of reasoning. On one hand, scum could more easily push a mislynch. On the other, scum couldn't defend him too much without associating themselves with him. I could see the scum waiting to drop onto his side until he started posting again, but being unable to because he never came back.

And he has been defended, in a way. Pushing another lynch defends the current lynch leader. I'm not at all saying that everyone iffy about a TT lynch is scum. I'm saying that if we're voting for someone else, then we're not voting for tt. Scum could push a counter lynch, or simply hop onto one, and not have to worry all that much about being associated with him because he's "just a lurker lynch".

I have to get back to work soon. Might be able to sneak a peak at the game before lynch time. Staying on TT because despite HF's overconfidence in the case, I remember finding it compelling at the time and nothing TT has done has convinced me otherwise. Also, the fact that he disappeared right after the votes popped up, and the fact that HF appeared to be (and still is) dead set on lynching him may have sapped his will to fight back. I know it's projecting, but I would be disheartened if HF declared me so strongly scum so early. Anyone know if this would apply to TT too?

Like, is he more likely to disappear when he's town being wrongly accused, or scum being correctly accused? Or maybe is neither more likely?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 10 2016 18:02 GMT
#843
On September 11 2016 02:35 Damdred wrote:
You forgot a option tbh, the third option is tt didn't want to play as scum and at least one team mate is light budding with the intent to jump on when the train looks like it,had no breaks,for cred.

COukd it be town tt just going down with the ship, yes it could. But there is no logical reasoning town should defend tt is there? For such a easy target the amount of push back,that has been received from the tt while no one town reads him is staggering tbh.

But really there is so much time left and so few people voting it coups,mean any number of things.

Liking damdred for this post. Basically in line with my thoughts.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 10 2016 22:50 GMT
#1402
That is an unfortunate flip.

Gonna go subscribe to the replacement thread now :S
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 11 2016 14:46 GMT
#1544
Morning.

Got a few minutes before work. To answer NU's questions (paraphrasing, on my phone):

What are my thoughts on the calix discussion? I think she probably could have defended tt as either alignment. I disagree that starting the defense because of VCA is accurate, though. I don't see how 3v2v2v1v1v6-no-votes (generalizing, can't look at the vote list right now) indicates a lack of defense. There were other wagons trying throughout the day to get onto someone other than tt. Once the votes were skewed to what they became at EoD, I might have gotten concerned, but she was on it much earlier than that. Might lean slight scum for that, but I also recall thinking that many of her posts just felt like frustrated town. Might be able to find some and quote them later. At the moment I'm considering her town.

Why did I vote for tt? The narrative HF originally laid out made sense to me, and then tt disappearing after it just reinforced it. At the end of the day, I could still see scum behaving as he had, so my vote didn't change. I didn't see any reason that HF exaggerating his sureness was indicative of the case being bad. Though iirc he later mentions that he no longer had a scum read (or maybe it was just a weaker scum read? Would have to look it up) on tt and was lynching for information at that point. That bugs me. Mostly because I'm not sure how much reasonably confident information we got from the lynch. Maybe that'll come to me when I reread EoD.

Who are my scum reads? I'll have to get back to you on that one. My two yesterday were you and tt, which is more that I usually have d1 XD. One was proven wrong, the other I'm currently believing is town. Have to dive some filters and probably reread EoD to develop some more.

I also have some thoughts on TW that are almost completely unrelated to this game, and actually take place in an obs QT for another game that he wasn't in as far as I remember, but there are similarities to this game and I was wondering what other people's thoughts were on it. In one of my previous town games I made a case on a suspected scum being town. In the obs QT, it was declared that I was town for doing so by most people present, even if they were unsure of me before. Does anyone feel that this could apply to TW in this game? I could try to find the game, but would have to wait until a few hours after start of day.

On one hand, I understand that scum have an easy time town reading people (if they're town) because they know they're town. They know it's from a town perspective because everything has to be. On the other, why defend a high content poster once the thread starts swinging slightly against them if your goal is to get them killed? The ability to defend town is greater, but the reason for doing it seems far less so. I know that these scenarios assume tw scum and calix town, but I'm leaving out the possibility that they're both scum because that would be a hard defense of a scum buddy. Which I guess could happen, but it doesn't feel likely? The scenario feels like either both town or one scum.

I needed to ask because it'll be on my mind until it's resolved (think NU's lynchbait comment).
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
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September 12 2016 02:51 GMT
#1829
Unfortunately, I need to focus on schoolwork tonight. After class tomorrow, I don't work for 4 days, so my availability should open up.

I'm glad I stopped tunneling you NU, I really liked your last few posts. The stuff about a TW lynch feeling a lot like the TT lynch was exactly what I was thinking at the moment. At least as it pertains to HF. Not saying it makes him scummy, it just has the exact same feeling to it. And if you want my response to the calix NK, it's generally that very few conclusions can be drawn. That's not to say I have no ideas about why it was done, but there's no way to narrow it down from 50 possibilities to even a reasonable fraction of them, so I'm not gonna throw my speculation out there XD

Was gonna call vivax out for trying to get HF to fight his battles for him, but I reread his filter really quick and it actually seems like his read on me has been fluctuating pretty reasonably all game. Incorrect whenever he thinks I'm scum, but I can see the thought behind it, and I think I can remember the approximate timing of most of the posts and I can understand them. He doesn't really push too hard, but at least I think I can see a townie thought process.

Also, without having reread any cases on anyone, so many of TW's posts feel like posts that I make or have made as town that I have trouble really seeing him as scum. He seems better able to let himself post freely, regardless of the consequences, than I do, but I feel some kind of "bad townie" (for lack of a better term) kinship.

Oh, and I really, really wouldn't rely too much on the ghosts or speculation about it. Like, anyone who knows scott shadowed HF or whatever could have set up that little code. Scum can control the LW and scum can control the votes. I don't want to lose because we trust in something we know that scum will try to use against us.

Yay townreads! Scum will come once I have the time to reread more filters XD (should be around the second half of D2 :S)
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 12 2016 02:57 GMT
#1830
Oh, and I just remembered, what was the townieness of my earlier post, damdred?
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
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September 12 2016 19:52 GMT
#1909
On September 13 2016 00:09 Vivax wrote:
Picking up where I left yesterday, I'm snipping out one part here (when he talks about the Calix discussion, doesn't yield anything interesting). My comments are in [] brackets.

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On September 11 2016 23:46 fuba wrote:
Morning.

Got a few minutes before work. To answer NU's questions (paraphrasing, on my phone):

Why did I vote for tt? The narrative HF originally laid out made sense to me, and then tt disappearing after it just reinforced it. At the end of the day, I could still see scum behaving as he had, so my vote didn't change. I didn't see any reason that HF exaggerating his sureness was indicative of the case being bad. Though iirc he later mentions that he no longer had a scum read (or maybe it was just a weaker scum read? Would have to look it up) on tt and was lynching for information at that point. That bugs me. Mostly because I'm not sure how much reasonably confident information we got from the lynch. Maybe that'll come to me when I reread EoD.

Who are my scum reads? I'll have to get back to you on that one. My two yesterday were you and tt, which is more that I usually have d1 XD. One was proven wrong, the other I'm currently believing is town. Have to dive some filters and probably reread EoD to develop some more.

I also have some thoughts on TW that are almost completely unrelated to this game, and actually take place in an obs QT for another game that he wasn't in as far as I remember, but there are similarities to this game and I was wondering what other people's thoughts were on it. In one of my previous town games I made a case on a suspected scum being town. In the obs QT, it was declared that I was town for doing so by most people present, even if they were unsure of me before. Does anyone feel that this could apply to TW in this game? I could try to find the game, but would have to wait until a few hours after start of day.

[The thoughts on TW are really uninformative. The argument is that anyone defending town with a case could be town, I don't even get if he's talking about TW defending Calix or TT, and fuba doesn't check it out, doesn't relate to TW's posts and mention examples of this being the case somewhere, he just puts the question out there where it will continue to not bear any fruits. This looks like a prime example of an uncontributive post being buffed with lots of words. Also it's weird he thinks finding the game will change anything about people's reads about TW]

On one hand, I understand that scum have an easy time town reading people (if they're town) because they know they're town. They know it's from a town perspective because everything has to be. On the other, why defend a high content poster once the thread starts swinging slightly against them if your goal is to get them killed? The ability to defend town is greater, but the reason for doing it seems far less so. I know that these scenarios assume tw scum and calix town, but I'm leaving out the possibility that they're both scum because that would be a hard defense of a scum buddy. Which I guess could happen, but it doesn't feel likely? The scenario feels like either both town or one scum.

[Another part that looks big but doesn't say anything. You're never going to get information speculating if somebody defending town was scum. Scum can do a bit of both in a game of a lot of players. He concludes...nothing, as expected of trying to reach a conclusion from wifom. His only goal I could see here is to slap a wall of words instead of simply saying "TW + Calix feel like T+T or T+S"]

I needed to ask because it'll be on my mind until it's resolved (think NU's lynchbait comment).


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On September 12 2016 11:51 fuba wrote:
Unfortunately, I need to focus on schoolwork tonight. After class tomorrow, I don't work for 4 days, so my availability should open up.

I'm glad I stopped tunneling you NU, I really liked your last few posts. The stuff about a TW lynch feeling a lot like the TT lynch was exactly what I was thinking at the moment. At least as it pertains to HF. Not saying it makes him scummy, it just has the exact same feeling to it. And if you want my response to the calix NK, it's generally that very few conclusions can be drawn. That's not to say I have no ideas about why it was done, but there's no way to narrow it down from 50 possibilities to even a reasonable fraction of them, so I'm not gonna throw my speculation out there XD

Was gonna call vivax out for trying to get HF to fight his battles for him, but I reread his filter really quick and it actually seems like his read on me has been fluctuating pretty reasonably all game. Incorrect whenever he thinks I'm scum, but I can see the thought behind it, and I think I can remember the approximate timing of most of the posts and I can understand them. He doesn't really push too hard, but at least I think I can see a townie thought process.

Also, without having reread any cases on anyone, so many of TW's posts feel like posts that I make or have made as town that I have trouble really seeing him as scum. He seems better able to let himself post freely, regardless of the consequences, than I do, but I feel some kind of "bad townie" (for lack of a better term) kinship.

Oh, and I really, really wouldn't rely too much on the ghosts or speculation about it. Like, anyone who knows scott shadowed HF or whatever could have set up that little code. Scum can control the LW and scum can control the votes. I don't want to lose because we trust in something we know that scum will try to use against us.

Yay townreads! Scum will come once I have the time to reread more filters XD (should be around the second half of D2 :S)


This post is mostly just here to see if he actually did any of the things he promised in the previous post which doesn't seem like he did. His NU scumread turned to town for his latest posts. Ok.

What about the famous game he talked about? What about EoD and HF changing reads on TT? No delivery. Fuba mostly just talks a lot to say very little. Which doesn't surprise me cause he just pops in occasionally with probably great pressure to look super contributive, but since he's actually doing very little, he fluffs up the posts like a pro.

I think we should lynch him before we lynch TW cause TW at least shows some degree of consistent presence whereas fuba is under the radar 90 % and when he shows up he throws up a post that only really talks about irrelevant stuff in an overly worded way. Scott's message is old news, and nobody is really interested in figuring out NUs alignment at this point. But I guess he felt he had to put it in there for consistency otherwise somebody could call him out for forgetting about his scumread on him.

I'll be voting accordingly.

So am I posting for consistency or being inconsistent? I can't be both. You say I'm posting under intense pressure to look contributive, but there has been almost none on me the entire game (a fact that I've already mentioned I find strange).

One fact you have right: I haven't acted on things I've said I'd do. Some of those are because they feel irrelevant once I finish catching up with the thread. The others are because I legitimately have no time to do it. I keep making promises, not realizing that I can hold to them. That should change in the next few days, as I don't have to work before/after class.

It's funny that in the same post, you point out how no one wants to know my thoughts on something that happened in the thread in the past while at the same time pointing out how I'm not telling everyone all my thoughts from things in the past.

You know that if no one reacts to something I've posted, I'm incredibly likely to assume no one agrees/cares and assume that's because it's useless. So why would I go find the case I mentioned? Also gonna point out how I'm scummy for suggesting that the case might give more insight into what im saying, as well as not providing the case after no one has reacted to my post in any way for hours.

I'm scum for literally anything I post. How would town fuba act here vivax? Keeping in mind that I'm reasonably sure that you've scum read me in 100% of our games together.

Since the entire case boils down to "he isn't here a lot", I'm just gonna start being more active in the game now that I (kinda) have time to, and hopefully you'll take off your scum-tinted shades.

As for the hf EoD stuff, someone (tw?) raised a good point that scum hf gains nothing from admitting he wasn't sure about tt being scum anymore but voting for him anyway. Makes it NAI.
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fuba
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September 13 2016 10:42 GMT
#1930
It is way too easy to snooze all of my alarms. I should really get one of those alarms that start running around the room when it goes off so I can't ignore it.

In any case, I'm awake now. Only have 15 pages to read for my class today, which starts in ~9 hours. Should give me a good amount of time to at least read most of the filters in the game and give some input. Will probably start with people who have yet to vote, which coincidentally seems to include most of the people others are scumreading. My class starts at about an hour before EoD, so I can't be here for that (probably. Might be able to be sneaky while in class. I'd rather not get the professor angry at me on the second day of class, though XD)
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September 13 2016 11:14 GMT
#1933
On September 13 2016 19:48 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2016 19:42 fuba wrote:
It is way too easy to snooze all of my alarms. I should really get one of those alarms that start running around the room when it goes off so I can't ignore it.

In any case, I'm awake now. Only have 15 pages to read for my class today, which starts in ~9 hours. Should give me a good amount of time to at least read most of the filters in the game and give some input. Will probably start with people who have yet to vote, which coincidentally seems to include most of the people others are scumreading. My class starts at about an hour before EoD, so I can't be here for that (probably. Might be able to be sneaky while in class. I'd rather not get the professor angry at me on the second day of class, though XD)


orly.

If scum are in the people not voting, why haven't they placed a vote on you then?

I uh, didn't say that.
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September 13 2016 11:34 GMT
#1942
[QUOTE]On September 13 2016 20:28 Superbia wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 13 2016 20:14 fuba wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 13 2016 19:48 Superbia wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 13 2016 19:42 fuba wrote:
It is way too easy to snooze all of my alarms. I should really get one of those alarms that start running around the room when it goes off so I can't ignore it.

In any case, I'm awake now. Only have 15 pages to read for my class today, which starts in ~9 hours. Should give me a good amount of time to at least read most of the filters in the game and give some input. Will probably start with people who have yet to vote, which coincidentally seems to include most of the people others are scumreading. My class starts at about an hour before EoD, so I can't be here for that (probably. Might be able to be sneaky while in class. I'd rather not get the professor angry at me on the second day of class, though XD)[/QUOTE]

orly.

If scum are in the people not voting, why haven't they placed a vote on you then?[/QUOTE]
I uh, didn't say that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]On September 13 2016 19:42 fuba wrote:
It is way too easy to snooze all of my alarms. I should really get one of those alarms that start running around the room when it goes off so I can't ignore it.

Right. "Most others". My mistake.

Who is scum then?[/QUOTE]
Literally what I said I'd be doing over the next 9 hours. Why are you making such a big deal about a pretty nothing post?
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September 13 2016 11:45 GMT
#1948
On September 13 2016 20:38 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2016 20:34 fuba wrote:
On September 13 2016 20:28 Superbia wrote:
On September 13 2016 20:14 fuba wrote:
On September 13 2016 19:48 Superbia wrote:
On September 13 2016 19:42 fuba wrote:
It is way too easy to snooze all of my alarms. I should really get one of those alarms that start running around the room when it goes off so I can't ignore it.

In any case, I'm awake now. Only have 15 pages to read for my class today, which starts in ~9 hours. Should give me a good amount of time to at least read most of the filters in the game and give some input. Will probably start with people who have yet to vote, which coincidentally seems to include most of the people others are scumreading. My class starts at about an hour before EoD, so I can't be here for that (probably. Might be able to be sneaky while in class. I'd rather not get the professor angry at me on the second day of class, though XD)


orly.

If scum are in the people not voting, why haven't they placed a vote on you then?

I uh, didn't say that.


On September 13 2016 19:42 fuba wrote:
It is way too easy to snooze all of my alarms. I should really get one of those alarms that start running around the room when it goes off so I can't ignore it.

Right. "Most others". My mistake.

Who is scum then?

Literally what I said I'd be doing over the next 9 hours. Why are you making such a big deal about a pretty nothing post?


You know what has happened this game right? People voted for town d1. People voted for others d1. Go over some reads you already had, then go over votes.

Then post who you think are mafia.

Then read filters and adjust accordingly.

You're riding me for literally no reason right now, lol. Chill out. Town reads can be fast, scum requires analysis. Situation's simple: I've said I'll have my reads in the thread. If I don't end up supplying any, just vote me and it'll be done. Honestly, not sure why you haven't voted me already lol
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September 13 2016 11:58 GMT
#1950
Like, tw pointed out my filter is 2 pages. Not reading it isn't an excuse to not vote when you're glad to point out to hf that you were one of the first people to cast suspicion on me (which I can't even remember being the truth). I remember calix, I remember vivax, I remember nu, I don't remember you.
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September 13 2016 12:48 GMT
#1953
On September 13 2016 21:00 Superbia wrote:
You think I'm scum then or?

Certainly a possibility, reading your filter now.
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September 13 2016 13:25 GMT
#1954
Just gonna write down thoughts as I go through the filter. No way am I going to be able to take the time to edit out pointless thoughts (thoughts that end up being pointless) if I'm going to look at more than one filter XD

Superbia

Setup talk - Is completely wrong about everything. Doesn't mention the scumteam's abilities until he points out that he thought they had no spectral abilities until dead. I can see that explaining his spam and the absence of scum power discussion.

Upon further consideration, it really seems unlikely that as scum he would enter the game in this way. "I'm going to try to get free townreads for entering the game by trying to break the setup, pretend to misinterpret every aspect of the power roles, completely ignore discussion of the scum powers, and then wrap it up by providing the completely reasonable excuse that I misinterpreted what "spectral" meant." Like, I can 100% see the town reasoning running through his train of thought. Scum would have to be really, really schemey to pull this off.

At this point, since it popped into my head, what I said earlier about scott's LW being unreliable is probably untrue. From what I understand, even if someone saw the replacement post they wouldn't know who was replacing. The LW itself is likely 100% reliable, the vote will not be.

In addition to what I said earlier, after reading the rest of D1 (I believe), I've found that the way he's pushing me to post is consistent with the way he, himself, plays and says he plays earlier in the thread. I don't think it's forced, and I don't think he's trying to push a wagon without being on the wagon. I also felt a strong similarity between his response to vivax's case against him and my own, which, while probably terrible reasoning, makes me lean slightly more town. (not calling vivax scum here, think he's still town too XD)

Was gonna keep reading, but there's a lot for me to get through, and townreads aren't what anyone is looking for. I think super's entry was actually enough for me to consider him town. Might be underestimating his mafia cleverness, but I can't really see anyone entering like that as scum.
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September 13 2016 13:29 GMT
#1955
Voting Damdred because while I don't know exactly what his alignment is yet, I know mine, and I don't want it to be an easy guaranteed mislynch.
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fuba
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September 13 2016 15:05 GMT
#1960
Really not sure why I didn't go straight to Damdred after finishing superbia (he will be next, I promise), but...

Shapelog

First thing I felt was of consequence was when he returned for the second half of D2. Gave an unasked for self-meta of his scum play, then implies he's scumreading TW for TW's reasons for townreading him. I'm not 100% sure what bugs me about the post. It feels slimy. The self-meta disclosure doesn't seem to fit with the generally more free-flowing thoughts from his other posts. I think what I don't like about the TW stuff is that it all seems pointless. It depends on whether TW feels the same way about shape's meta as shape does, and generally ignores whether or not a post like that is more likely to come from town or scum TW. Like, it seems to imply "this post is wrong and it makes him scummy" but only says why it's wrong. Feels scummy.

Addendum after reading the rest of the filter: he eventually gets around to calling TW scum. The meta aspect I can't argue with, not really great with meta. But why would TW just make up BS about shape to call him town if he knows he's town. He wouldn't have to make anything up. I just don't see how shape sees it as alignment indicative. I must have missed the sheeping skynx thing, but regardless, does TW just become a moron when he rolls scum? The argument feels more like "this isn't TW" than "this is scum TW".

Looking at his reason for voting TT - His comments about the vote count are correct. He then says that TT's filter is crap, after having mildly defended him against HF the day before. I can see someone who hasn't been able to catch up having no idea who else to really vote for, so I'm gonna go with NAI for his vote at EoD.

As for his walls of text that I missed in my first readthrough cuz of spoilers, There's probably a lot that can be discussed, but I don't have the time to really go into them. From what shape himself says, the WoTs help him understand the thread, so I think he'd probably need them as either alignment to either contain his thoughts as town or to keep his story straight as scum. So NAI.

Leaning scum on shape.
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fuba
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September 13 2016 15:07 GMT
#1961
Gotta get some reading done for class, but Damdred filter dive is next. Expect it within two hours, maybe? I know there have been a few, but can anyone direct me to like, the best damdred case so I can read it before the filter? Want to see if I agree with it as I go through.
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fuba
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September 13 2016 15:11 GMT
#1963
Errr, I can try. I technically still have about 4 hours before class, but I do need to be ready.

Shoot.
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fuba
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September 13 2016 15:12 GMT
#1964
Gotta relocate, will answer questions when I find a new spot to shit.
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fuba
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September 13 2016 15:13 GMT
#1965
Um... sit.
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fuba
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September 13 2016 15:20 GMT
#1967
Don't know the exact number. Could probably look it up in that tlmafia library. I'd guess around 10 games? I used to go by mkfuba07.
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fuba
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September 13 2016 15:33 GMT
#1977
On September 14 2016 00:21 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2016 00:20 fuba wrote:
Don't know the exact number. Could probably look it up in that tlmafia library. I'd guess around 10 games? I used to go by mkfuba07.


What was your goal going into this game? Like what was your plan as mafia and what was your plan as town.

My usual plan is to not be mafia in the first place. It really doesn't turn out well. I tend to have trouble outright lying. The only person I remember pushing as scum was my scummate, because I knew I was right XD

When I play town my plan every game is to post more stream-of-consciousness, but that never works out. I hate being wrong too much to let myself be unsure of something I say. And this game I haven't had the time to read the thread actively until now, so I had 0 chance of pulling it off this game either, lol. I tend to not have discussions, I observe and report what I see. I kinda play a side game rather than participating.

My goal is usually to get to end game and find the last scum. I did it once in a dr who game and it was a thrill XD
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fuba
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September 13 2016 15:34 GMT
#1978
On that note, really gotta do my readings. Dunno how long 15 pages will be. I plan on taking notes for once, so could be an hour or so?
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fuba
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September 13 2016 17:48 GMT
#2015
On September 14 2016 02:18 Holyflare wrote:
I always get town feels from whatever fuba posts until i actually focus on the content



Could take a look at... basterds mafia, I think? I can't pull off town feels as scum :S (though iirc, I got vivax lynched because I'm an idiot lol)

Just finished reading what NU and calix wrote about damdred, gonna dive into his filter now :D
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September 13 2016 18:32 GMT
#2018
On September 10 2016 07:17 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 07:12 fuba wrote:
On September 10 2016 07:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
^ Yes, it is what he thinks I did. I think he did the same thing in another post (to which he hasn't replied).

Chill. That will be handled on a point-by-point basis when I'm home.


This looks like a town post, 5 points to anyone who can say why.

Damdred, did you ever say why this was the case? I think you responded once, but in response to a different post or something.
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September 13 2016 19:33 GMT
#2054
On September 14 2016 04:10 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2016 04:05 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 14 2016 04:04 Tumblewood wrote:
does anyone want to move to shape

Yeah I'd be down with that.

I'm gonna change and see if anybody follows

I'm tempted to, because I'm completely unsure of damdred. Dunno if I've tried to go through too much too fast, but I can't even seem to think enough to make a decision on him. Calix's case had me going into his filter seeing him as scum already, and then I tried to pick it out myself on a readthrough and I couldn't do it. Maybe I was trying too hard to discount bias, maybe I'm letting myself be buddied, maybe I'm just too tired to focus after about 8 hours of (attempted) critical reading.

It's down to either sheeping calix, NU, and scott, or going with my own scumread despite the fact that I have 4-5 other people to read still.

Ugh, sticking with Damdred. The three I mentioned were able to read him in real time in the context of what was going on in the thread and come to an agreement. Class has already basically started, I can't think about it anymore today.
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fuba
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September 13 2016 21:31 GMT
#2292
While I'm really glad my only scum read was scum, based on my answers to superbia earlier I'm going to have a really taxing d3.
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fuba
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September 13 2016 22:39 GMT
#2322
I'll talk about things when I get home, and after a game of league or two :D
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fuba
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September 14 2016 19:26 GMT
#2372
Phew
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fuba
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September 14 2016 20:14 GMT
#2378
Agreed, though I've thought tw was town for most of the game.
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fuba
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September 14 2016 21:02 GMT
#2391
Well that is interesting.
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fuba
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September 14 2016 21:08 GMT
#2398
Oh yeah, no check or vigi last night.
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fuba
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September 14 2016 23:15 GMT
#2430
On September 15 2016 08:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2016 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
wow you're so easily convinced by the guy that has no opinion on the mafia team that has two people left, why couldn't nu decide a kill?


I have stated my opinion -- Earlier the VCA led me to think fuba/Super. Now I'm thinking Grack/Vivax.

DDD is town cleared in my book.

Is the town clear based on the opposing lynches, or something additional?
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September 16 2016 00:27 GMT
#2592
In class atm, can't really talk.

Wanted to point out that it's really strange that vivax hasn't jumped on me at all, considering that I (at least in my mind and according to my own self-meta posted in this thread) basically claimed scum last night, and was his top scumread.

While I'm not complaining about it, since I actually am town, it's weird that no one (but particularly vivax, possibly superbia) caught it. Maybe I'm not as big a concern for people as I feel I should be given my activity and contributions this game. But for someone who had me as his top scum read, it feels weird that I was dropped (or at least shifted to secondary concern) after an admittedly lackluster performance at EoD.

While I could certainly see HF being a lynch priority if he is scum, I would consider myself a lock scum for vivax after last night.
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September 16 2016 02:14 GMT
#2600
On September 16 2016 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
Uh what did you do last night?

Pointed out to superbia that the only people I really scumread if I'm mafia are my scum mates because I have trouble lying. Then I only really gave any kind of analysis for two reads - a town read on superbia and a scum read on shape (which even at the time I admit is weird because everyone's talking about damdred). I then vote damdred despite having an actual scumread. My scumread ends up being lynched while I sat idly on the other wagon, and he was scum.

Guess I was the only one to see it because I was experiencing it firsthand? But it was so absurdly coincidental at the time that I literally started laughing. Was waiting for a vig shot that I didn't even realize at the time couldn't be coming.
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fuba
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September 16 2016 02:23 GMT
#2601
But ultimately, my point was that I kinda expected vivax to pick up on it and have it 100% confirm me scum to him.

I also have this paranoid theory that I'm being "saved" for later. I mean, I appreciate that I've been allowed to get my homework (and paid work) taken care of, but I've been really phoning it in this game :/

On that note, apparently liberal science courses at my university require 200 pages of reading a week, and I've signed up for two of them. It's super great.
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fuba
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September 16 2016 17:33 GMT
#2656
I don't want to lynch damdred for reasons.

I also don't want to lynch TW, NU, or super.

I have literally no opinion of palmar.

Leaves grack, vivax, holyflare.

Can't get over the feeling that I'm being saved as a mislynch for later. All three of these could do this, as could palmar. Makes me wary of voting into them, but I generally townread everyone else. Vivax seems more suspicious based on this because he dropped me for the day in favor of HF. And arguing with HF is basically all he's done today. Though the same could be said about HF regarding vivax (yes HF, I'm sure you've mentioned other people, but I can't remember it because of the vivax stuff). I think at least one of them is scum, but I'm not sure which one -_-

Not sure why Palmar/HF/vivax are still alive. Skynx NK suggests he was either onto something with his night posts (suggests HF). Damdred's point that skynx might have been killed because he was hard defending DDD is a viable option (though the fact that ddd himself raised the point kinda lessens its strength). As is the possibility that NU is scum, since skynx was literally the only person in the thread willing to consider NU as scum (really wish he wrote his cases before EoN, but ).

Game is hard :/

Voting vivax, I guess. I hope the 4 on damdred are right, since it'll simplify the wifom I have to work through, but I'm not feeling it.
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September 16 2016 17:59 GMT
#2660
On September 17 2016 02:48 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2016 02:33 fuba wrote:
I don't want to lynch damdred for reasons.

What are the reasons?

His thoughts have often related to my own, I believe his post at EoD where he says he's getting a shot. There might be other things, but I can't remember.

I read his posts and have a bad feeling about lynching him.
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September 16 2016 20:10 GMT
#2669
I'm really tempted to switch to HF for no reason that I can accurately convey. Might be grack's undying love.

If I understand the votes right, skynx+calix voted on damdred, scott voted HF. That's... hmmm...

Skynx seemed positive of HF scum. Seems tampered with.
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September 16 2016 20:12 GMT
#2670
On September 17 2016 05:10 fuba wrote:
I'm really tempted to switch to HF for no reason that I can accurately convey. Might be grack's undying love.

If I understand the votes right, skynx+calix voted on damdred, scott voted HF. That's... hmmm...

Skynx seemed positive of HF scum. Seems tampered with.

But like, in the most obvious way ever.
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September 16 2016 20:17 GMT
#2675
And any vote manipulation had to be submitted during the previous night. Trying to work through that scenario atm.
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September 16 2016 20:22 GMT
#2679
On September 17 2016 05:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2016 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
On September 14 2016 05:57 Holyflare wrote:
##unvote
##vote Shapelog

On September 14 2016 05:57 Skynx wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Shapelog


I think you'll find I voted first.

On September 14 2016 05:55 Holyflare wrote:
I think damdred is town

On September 14 2016 05:56 Skynx wrote:
Fuck me:

Shape/Super/Palmar

Damdy is town fuck fuck fuck


and called damdred town first

welcome to the holyflare rekt me club, you are one of several members that earns the privilege of shutting the fuck up while I continue to kill more mafia


Skynx's whole reason to vote me nicely destroyed.

The vote on me is also likely manipulated because it aids vivax's lynch.

The question is whether skynx was convinced the case was destroyed, which he certainly didn't appear to be at the end of the day. And he also seemed certain that damdred was town. This means for that vote to not be tampered with, skynx has to have deferred 100% to calix, which it didn't seem he was likely to do.
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fuba
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September 16 2016 20:23 GMT
#2681
Ugh, maybe it is just too much wifom =/
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fuba
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September 16 2016 20:27 GMT
#2684
On September 17 2016 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
Furthermore skynx who mafia reads me during the night doesn't even vote me as a ghost.

So no fuba if I'm mafia and killed him why is he voting damdred in this situation?


Either I've manipulated the votes to fuck me over for no reason for an illogical scott vote or mafia has to fuck me over.

Bolded is literally my point.
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fuba
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September 16 2016 21:08 GMT
#2736
Welp, I fucked up.

On September 17 2016 06:07 Palmar wrote:
also how retarded is that HF the townie died because he wouldn't change his vote.

Actually tried to at the last minute.
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September 16 2016 22:26 GMT
#2768
Still think Damdred is town, or I probably would have switched back to vivax at the end there XD
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fuba
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September 16 2016 22:29 GMT
#2771
At the end it came down to either staying on HF or switching back to vivax. However, since the votes were relatively even, if I had switched to vivax it would have lynched damdred.

Basically, while I was waffling about HF and vivax, I didn't want to lynch damdred.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 16 2016 22:32 GMT
#2778
On September 17 2016 07:30 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2016 07:29 fuba wrote:
At the end it came down to either staying on HF or switching back to vivax. However, since the votes were relatively even, if I had switched to vivax it would have lynched damdred.

Basically, while I was waffling about HF and vivax, I didn't want to lynch damdred.

why not damdred?

he's been an absolute shitter all game.

Because I think he's town.

And I'd be remiss if I didn't admit that paranoia had, and is still having, its way with me.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 16 2016 23:13 GMT
#2816
On September 17 2016 08:13 Damdred wrote:
Anyway I really don't care to an extent just because haven't been able to connect.

People trying to steer the lynch only towards hf lynch and towards me should be looked at.

Also fuba why did you tr ame

It boils down to "you seem genuine."
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 17 2016 16:52 GMT
#2833
Idle thought before getting to work (I'll respond to you damdred when I have my break, though it's not even all that much of a progression of thought than a paranoid shit show XD):

Might the nks have been not because they were townies who were right, but actually townies who were wrong? We now know hf was town, so naturally scum would want a vig shot in the hands of someone who had hf as 100% scum. What if the nks are an attempt to guide vig shots while eliminating vocal townies in their own right?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 17 2016 21:16 GMT
#2858
On September 18 2016 02:12 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2016 01:52 fuba wrote:
Idle thought before getting to work (I'll respond to you damdred when I have my break, though it's not even all that much of a progression of thought than a paranoid shit show XD):

Might the nks have been not because they were townies who were right, but actually townies who were wrong? We now know hf was town, so naturally scum would want a vig shot in the hands of someone who had hf as 100% scum. What if the nks are an attempt to guide vig shots while eliminating vocal townies in their own right?


lynched=vig, killed=doc

Yeah, remembered that like, 15 minutes into my job :/. Thought I was onto something

But yay medic save ^^
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 17 2016 21:36 GMT
#2865
On September 18 2016 06:35 Grackaroni wrote:
lol I thought I was going to be #6

I thought it was me XD
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 17 2016 21:37 GMT
#2866
On September 18 2016 06:34 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2016 06:16 Superbia wrote:
HF shot Palmar.

or maybe he didn't

or maybe I got saved

He definitely shot you.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 18 2016 23:19 GMT
#2904
I'll be mostly afking until palmar comes back.

Though honestly, I'm probably afk until about an hour before the lynch either way. This course load is going to kill me.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 19 2016 15:11 GMT
#2928
My only "reasonable" idea that would make palmar town is if scum saved him to gain access to the VS QT, knowing that we would then use our lynch on him like, 100%.

But is that worth it considering they can only use their protect once? Probably not imo.

But yeah, if HF said he shot you in his message from last night, why would he then vote to say he didn't shoot you?

And none of the BGs seemed inclined to save you.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 19 2016 23:33 GMT
#2972
Really weird that after town reading me for basically no reason all game, everyone's like "let's lynch fuba!" But whatever, as long as we win.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 19 2016 23:39 GMT
#2973
But yeah, I'd say grack or vivax.

Everyone else has been on my town list since around d2.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 20 2016 21:34 GMT
#3032
On September 21 2016 06:27 Holyflare wrote:
I didn't vig shot anybody

LOL

GG everyone. Glad my schedule didn't end up entirely ruining the game.

Thanks hosts :D
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