[M][T] Haunted Mansion 3

On September 09 2016 07:25 Shapelog wrote:
Vivax point is good (or at least points out the inconsistent in agenda)

But you said the bold was NAI?


I can kinda understand the rest.

On September 09 2016 11:33 fuba wrote:

While I appreciate it, it always makes me uncomfortable when people town read me, especially D1 XD

On September 09 2016 20:37 Calix wrote:


I have.

He's a scrub but he's town. He's more proactive and abrasive compared to his scum play. He gets mislynched a lot given he's presumptuous, arrogant, prone to trolling, has poor persuasion abilities, etc, so I am not surprised that he's under some suspicion.

I am also 99% sure that he's read like, one or two past games on this site and that's why he's acting like he knows what everyone's meta is. Recently, he read one of my scum games from five months ago and now thinks he's an expert. That's how he rolls.

about my vote

On September 10 2016 02:53 fuba wrote:
I'd thought that "lynchbait" is when a player is prone to attracting votes as town, which would indicate a TW town read from NU, given that he doesn't have any knowledge of TW's meta. And I was well aware that this is contrary to his general thoughts on TW at that point in the game. That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip.

Actually, mentioning that he's lynchbait is counterproductive to getting TW lynched, so why even mention it? Gonna need to think about this more after work - need my computer in front of me XD

On September 10 2016 04:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share.

On September 10 2016 06:26 fuba wrote:

HF has the right to call TW lynchbait based off of meta. NU has to call him lynchbait based on his knowledge from this game. Which means he thinks or knows that TW is town. If that is not the case, then he should just think he is scum. Calling him lynchbait is at the least inconsistent with his scumread of TW. At worst it is a slip. And his intentional misinterpretation of the post he quoted is making me think slip.

How is this not obvious?

On September 10 2016 06:33 Vivax wrote:


FYI Tumble is not lynch bait. When he started playing around here he was perfectly capable of concise , informative posts with lists and reasoning and stuff, and he was jailkeeper a while back and got NKd N1. Not lynched.

Not sure why he's started to go into wobbly land with his posting, but when he posts differently than in those games it's never a bad call to lynch him.

And what does this have to do with you bitching about NU for using that term but not finding it suspicious in the slightest in HF? Is there any particular wording I missed that NU used that makes it more worth noticing?

On September 10 2016 06:58 fuba wrote:

No response vivax?

On September 10 2016 07:12 fuba wrote:

Chill. That will be handled on a point-by-point basis when I'm home.

On September 10 2016 02:53 fuba wrote:
I'd thought that "lynchbait" is when a player is prone to attracting votes as town, which would indicate a TW town read from NU, given that he doesn't have any knowledge of TW's meta. And I was well aware that this is contrary to his general thoughts on TW at that point in the game. That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip.

Actually, mentioning that he's lynchbait is counterproductive to getting TW lynched, so why even mention it? Gonna need to think about this more after work - need my computer in front of me XD

On September 10 2016 07:08 fuba wrote:

I'm gonna come up with an analogy that will explain my current thought process about this eventually.

To answer your question, I didn't originally think so, but since I was brought up, and I started to think about it more closely, yes. From my perspective, the only way UN could see TW as lynchbait is if he knows he's town.

On September 10 2016 08:38 fuba wrote:
What did I change my mind about? Nothing really changed about what I said earlier, aside from my second from last sentence bringing up a point I hadn't considered before.

I may have rushed my explanation, but I didn't think you were townreading him. That is why it's strange you would call him lynchbait in your first game with him. It implied believing TW was town despite your push against him.

Flimsiest "scumslip" I've ever heard of. Like, it's so insignificant that it's ridiculously hard to come up with any response. People say "if and when" all the time. They say it when they mean "if". It's not indicative of anything whatsoever.

I'm thinking about the game. That is what you are accusing me of. People decide that if something happens, it would likely indicate something else literally all the time. It's like a core aspect of the game. You're making it seem as though what I said requires that I know TW is town, which it does not. Whole point is null and void. (see how I could have just said null, but I said both together because it is a thing that people say?)

You're also saying this despite the fact that you strongly feel TW is scum. Do you see the problem here? You're saying both of us are scum, while at the same time saying that my supposition that a town TW could mean a scum UN is setting you up for a lynch. It's impossible in your scenario for both of us to be scum, but that is what you would have us believe. While I said that if TW flips town, you might be scum, you are calling me scum NOW for something that goes against your own belief in what's going on in the thread.

That is, in fact, the definition of a scum read for me. Not sure how you could not want to lynch scum reads. I suppose that from your PoV as someone who plays with more scumreads than there are scum, you don't want to lynch them all maybe? However, this is a silly nonsensical thing to point out. It's obvious what I meant.

Going through this actually made me more confident in you being scum. Especially that second (technically third) response from the end. You're looking at the game as someone who has to make himself see people as scum because he knows they're not. The whole "lynchbait" thing doesn't even need to come into play, even though I still think it holds weight.

On September 11 2016 23:46 fuba wrote:
Morning.

Got a few minutes before work. To answer NU's questions (paraphrasing, on my phone):

Why did I vote for tt? The narrative HF originally laid out made sense to me, and then tt disappearing after it just reinforced it. At the end of the day, I could still see scum behaving as he had, so my vote didn't change. I didn't see any reason that HF exaggerating his sureness was indicative of the case being bad. Though iirc he later mentions that he no longer had a scum read (or maybe it was just a weaker scum read? Would have to look it up) on tt and was lynching for information at that point. That bugs me. Mostly because I'm not sure how much reasonably confident information we got from the lynch. Maybe that'll come to me when I reread EoD.

Who are my scum reads? I'll have to get back to you on that one. My two yesterday were you and tt, which is more that I usually have d1 XD. One was proven wrong, the other I'm currently believing is town. Have to dive some filters and probably reread EoD to develop some more.

I also have some thoughts on TW that are almost completely unrelated to this game, and actually take place in an obs QT for another game that he wasn't in as far as I remember, but there are similarities to this game and I was wondering what other people's thoughts were on it. In one of my previous town games I made a case on a suspected scum being town. In the obs QT, it was declared that I was town for doing so by most people present, even if they were unsure of me before. Does anyone feel that this could apply to TW in this game? I could try to find the game, but would have to wait until a few hours after start of day.

[The thoughts on TW are really uninformative. The argument is that anyone defending town with a case could be town, I don't even get if he's talking about TW defending Calix or TT, and fuba doesn't check it out, doesn't relate to TW's posts and mention examples of this being the case somewhere, he just puts the question out there where it will continue to not bear any fruits. This looks like a prime example of an uncontributive post being buffed with lots of words. Also it's weird he thinks finding the game will change anything about people's reads about TW]

On one hand, I understand that scum have an easy time town reading people (if they're town) because they know they're town. They know it's from a town perspective because everything has to be. On the other, why defend a high content poster once the thread starts swinging slightly against them if your goal is to get them killed? The ability to defend town is greater, but the reason for doing it seems far less so. I know that these scenarios assume tw scum and calix town, but I'm leaving out the possibility that they're both scum because that would be a hard defense of a scum buddy. Which I guess could happen, but it doesn't feel likely? The scenario feels like either both town or one scum.

[Another part that looks big but doesn't say anything. You're never going to get information speculating if somebody defending town was scum. Scum can do a bit of both in a game of a lot of players. He concludes...nothing, as expected of trying to reach a conclusion from wifom. His only goal I could see here is to slap a wall of words instead of simply saying "TW + Calix feel like T+T or T+S"]

I needed to ask because it'll be on my mind until it's resolved (think NU's lynchbait comment).

On September 12 2016 11:51 fuba wrote:
Unfortunately, I need to focus on schoolwork tonight. After class tomorrow, I don't work for 4 days, so my availability should open up.

I'm glad I stopped tunneling you NU, I really liked your last few posts. The stuff about a TW lynch feeling a lot like the TT lynch was exactly what I was thinking at the moment. At least as it pertains to HF. Not saying it makes him scummy, it just has the exact same feeling to it. And if you want my response to the calix NK, it's generally that very few conclusions can be drawn. That's not to say I have no ideas about why it was done, but there's no way to narrow it down from 50 possibilities to even a reasonable fraction of them, so I'm not gonna throw my speculation out there XD

Was gonna call vivax out for trying to get HF to fight his battles for him, but I reread his filter really quick and it actually seems like his read on me has been fluctuating pretty reasonably all game. Incorrect whenever he thinks I'm scum, but I can see the thought behind it, and I think I can remember the approximate timing of most of the posts and I can understand them. He doesn't really push too hard, but at least I think I can see a townie thought process.

Also, without having reread any cases on anyone, so many of TW's posts feel like posts that I make or have made as town that I have trouble really seeing him as scum. He seems better able to let himself post freely, regardless of the consequences, than I do, but I feel some kind of "bad townie" (for lack of a better term) kinship.

Oh, and I really, really wouldn't rely too much on the ghosts or speculation about it. Like, anyone who knows scott shadowed HF or whatever could have set up that little code. Scum can control the LW and scum can control the votes. I don't want to lose because we trust in something we know that scum will try to use against us.

Yay townreads! Scum will come once I have the time to reread more filters XD (should be around the second half of D2 :S)

On September 13 2016 19:42 fuba wrote:
It is way too easy to snooze all of my alarms. I should really get one of those alarms that start running around the room when it goes off so I can't ignore it.

In any case, I'm awake now. Only have 15 pages to read for my class today, which starts in ~9 hours. Should give me a good amount of time to at least read most of the filters in the game and give some input. Will probably start with people who have yet to vote, which coincidentally seems to include most of the people others are scumreading. My class starts at about an hour before EoD, so I can't be here for that (probably. Might be able to be sneaky while in class. I'd rather not get the professor angry at me on the second day of class, though XD)

On September 14 2016 00:20 fuba wrote:
Don't know the exact number. Could probably look it up in that tlmafia library. I'd guess around 10 games? I used to go by mkfuba07.

On September 10 2016 07:12 fuba wrote:

Chill. That will be handled on a point-by-point basis when I'm home.

On September 14 2016 04:05 Grackaroni wrote:

Yeah I'd be down with that.

On September 15 2016 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
wow you're so easily convinced by the guy that has no opinion on the mafia team that has two people left, why couldn't nu decide a kill?

On September 17 2016 02:33 fuba wrote:
I don't want to lynch damdred for reasons.

On September 15 2016 03:52 Holyflare wrote:



I think you'll find I voted first.




and called damdred town first

welcome to the holyflare rekt me club, you are one of several members that earns the privilege of shutting the fuck up while I continue to kill more mafia

On September 17 2016 07:29 fuba wrote:
At the end it came down to either staying on HF or switching back to vivax. However, since the votes were relatively even, if I had switched to vivax it would have lynched damdred.

Basically, while I was waffling about HF and vivax, I didn't want to lynch damdred.

On September 18 2016 01:52 fuba wrote:
Idle thought before getting to work (I'll respond to you damdred when I have my break, though it's not even all that much of a progression of thought than a paranoid shit show XD):

Might the nks have been not because they were townies who were right, but actually townies who were wrong? We now know hf was town, so naturally scum would want a vig shot in the hands of someone who had hf as 100% scum. What if the nks are an attempt to guide vig shots while eliminating vocal townies in their own right?

On September 18 2016 06:16 Superbia wrote:
HF shot Palmar.