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On September 06 2016 09:33 Tumblewood wrote:
I say I won't sign up for another game for a while but we all know that's bs
/in
I keep getting the feeling you've been around here longer than you want us to believe, you seem oddly familiar with some players at times.
Tinfoil maybe?
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The region I live in is notorious for its rivalry with bavaria, am I allowed to make fun of germans in this game?
We are the Schluchtenscheisser
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Hello Calix. My name is Vivax, you can call me Vivax., we have many things in common, like the number of letters and the last letter. I inofficially run the newcomer assessment on the TL mafia subforum.
Before playing here, some players must go through the procedure of answering a few questions designed to establish their general ability to answer questions and assess their abilities.
Shapelog amusingly tried to mimic this procedure in an attempt to take a jib at me (and most likely at you). Rels does the security checks for newcomers.
Most of these questions are designed to perfection the game of mafia. I will consult with kitaman afterwards who is the head of the database department and is developing an automated behaviour processing system with the help of Palmar who is the assistant who codes words per post algorithms and similar minor things.
Let's start:
1. There are two guardians, one by each door. One guardian always tells the truth, and the other guardian always lies. What one question can you ask a guardian to find out which door leads to heaven?
2. If you would be an animal, what would you be?
3. If I posted this post in game, what would you think my alignment was?
4. What's the size of your ego expressed in football fields? You may choose to express it in bathtubs if you so wish.
5. Think about the colour red for 10 seconds. Then name a tool.
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On September 09 2016 06:01 Skynx wrote:
First yo
Let me guess you want a free TR now?
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On September 09 2016 06:16 Skynx wrote:
That would be much appreciated yeah
Post reads first
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I have the sickest idea instead. The moment Palmar posts, we call him mafia and vote for him.
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On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:
It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following:
- Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears.
- There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.
- We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised.
Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part.
"we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought.
Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still.
You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you.
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On September 09 2016 06:46 Tictock wrote:
Aw shucks, my streak of rolling town has come to an end.
Guess I wont be posting much so I don't accidentally give you guys info.
Is this some shitty attempt at getting easy townreads by replicating trfels opener from last game?
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On September 09 2016 06:55 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 06:46 Shapelog wrote:This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
PL's here basically refer to Meta, inactivity, Behavior, or just the basics of scum hunting (I.E. Obv scum) I am guessing when you said NU cannot be a PL, you meant activity right? I mean activity, yeah. Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:
It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following:
- Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears.
- There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.
- We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised. Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought.Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. My point says we shouldn't rely too much on LWs but that establishing good communication with the dead is important. While that's not some profound insight, there are clearly ideas being expressed here. What are you even referring to with the bolded part? Because it bears no resemblance to anything I said. "suggesting not to lynch" - No, I said we shouldn't rush into a lynch or policy-lynch early on. Nowhere did I imply that we shouldn't lynch. (which isn't even possible, lol) "benefit of the doubt" - No I don't. Just because I'm new to the site doesn't mean I'm clueless.
What do you mean with "we should establish a way for dead townies to communicate" then?
Cause to me it reads exactly like "we should do stuff" without having an idea of how to implement such a feat.
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On September 09 2016 07:05 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 07:00 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 06:55 Calix wrote:On September 09 2016 06:46 Shapelog wrote:This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
PL's here basically refer to Meta, inactivity, Behavior, or just the basics of scum hunting (I.E. Obv scum) I am guessing when you said NU cannot be a PL, you meant activity right? I mean activity, yeah. On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:
It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following:
- Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears.
- There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.
- We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised. Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought.Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. My point says we shouldn't rely too much on LWs but that establishing good communication with the dead is important. While that's not some profound insight, there are clearly ideas being expressed here. What are you even referring to with the bolded part? Because it bears no resemblance to anything I said. "suggesting not to lynch" - No, I said we shouldn't rush into a lynch or policy-lynch early on. Nowhere did I imply that we shouldn't lynch. (which isn't even possible, lol) "benefit of the doubt" - No I don't. Just because I'm new to the site doesn't mean I'm clueless. What do you mean with "we should establish a way for dead townies to communicate" then? Cause to me it reads exactly like "we should do stuff" without having an idea of how to implement such a feat. I just suggested a way in which Sheriffs could communicate their results to the town by saying "they can get around the no-names rule by using post numbers" which is literally giving a suggestion as to how we communicate with the dead.Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 07:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:
It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following:
- Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears.
- There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.
- We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised. Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought. Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, but To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot. She ends her post with an excuse to why she wouldn't post in the upcoming hours. It's something scum tends to do more, but it still is NAI. Scum-reading Calix. @Vivax, don't give me or her the benefit of the doubt because we're "new", we aren't. We're both familiar to mafia. Giving either of us (especially her) a chance, it could be all we need to fly under your radar. Using the correct pronouns is not a scum tell and never will be. You just used it yourself in your last line because it's a common word in the English language. Also seriously? You are aware that I moved to a different site to get AWAY from crappy meta reads and the first thing you do is give me shit via a crappy meta read?
But that's about your first point, not the second one.
Which makes it look to me like your second one might as well not be there.
Proceeding with the dissection:
There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. -> yes, but what's the point of saying this.
Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much -> And yet you suggest a plan that seems to deem them important.
but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented. -> Cause scum can manipulate LW, you want LW to be reliable communication? These two statements don't mesh together. Why? Cause scum can manipulate LW, no LWs are reliable.
Main point being: I found your second point there to just be fluff.
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On September 09 2016 07:35 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 07:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 07:25 Shapelog wrote:Vivax point is good (or at least points out the inconsistent in agenda) On September 09 2016 07:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 07:14 Shapelog wrote:
So....Your scum reading her, based off of (meta) pro-noun usage.
Incorrect. It's based off her fluff, her LW setup spec that didn't advantage town, and her misreading the setup.The town roles are so straightforward, no town would think that there are PRs D1. But you said the bold was NAI? Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot. I can kinda understand the rest. Yes, it's NAI in most setups. I just don't believe it can be a town slip in this particular setup. My scum-read on Calix is not a strong one yet. It's mostly a gut read. I want her to respond to my posts and convince me she's town if she is. No, moron. I'm not going to waste my time on 'convincing' you that I'm town. Nothing you said holds any weight. Go figure that I can't get a break from people scum-reading me for the worst reasons. In any case, pretty sure you are town given your fixation on this 'scum tell' of mine. By all means continue to waste time asking 20 questions though until you wise the fuck up.
You'll fit right in here!
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For me Calix remains meh. Emotional doesn't mean town.
I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.
To make it very simple (since the discussion might seem like we're trying to split atoms here), look at this quote, and tell me why it's good that we have a way of communication BECAUSE scum can manipulate.
It just doesn't make sense. There is no causality. Whether you have a way of communication or not, it's not going to influence the manipulation.
So I concluded that this looks like text put in here for the sake of putting something in there.
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I wouldn't scumread Damdred this early, but might be cause he's townreading me so openly. Either way, he's in the club of people I don't lynch D1 unless he does something royally scummy.
NeverUnlucky is town cause he supported me pressuring Calix, and caused a little fight there (you'll fit right in too!).
TickTock and fuba probs deserve a vote for fucking off right after posting, when the thread must have looked pretty busy already.
Shape is shape.
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The calix issue for me is that she was so intent on proceeding to splitting atoms with me when I pointed it out.
I'd have felt better about the post if I just had gotten back as answer "alright it's fluffy but I wanted to talk about setup so it's obvious that it's going to be fluffy" instead of her defending the points she made so rabidly (for example in fear of looking bad if not able to defend them).
It's early enough for me to still chill and force silent people to post without having to jump into tunnels, so I'll just judge calix based on other stuff as well, but this will definitely be an argument should I decide for myself that she's mafia.
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What's up with superbia? A dozen one liners in a row, his plan is to get lynched, some of his speculation seemed misinformed. It's like he didn't sleep for 24 hours, drank a litre of coffee then started playing mafia. At least it looks like he's motivated to post.
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On September 09 2016 17:32 Superbia wrote:
Oh fuck me. Lynched towns get to be vigi? Fuck this game lmao.
On September 09 2016 17:46 Superbia wrote:
I think lynching town d1 is super good to create a benevolent spirit.
He also forgot what he said 15 minutes earlier. Bleh.
Not a fan of this what I think could be strategic spam. I employed something similar in my scum game, just with more condensed posts.
Coincidentally starts the game having the same reads as HF, but doesn't talk about HF.
Calls Grack mafia on the go, then asks Calix a question about Never even though he's the guy she talked about the most and he's not within his range of suspects (TW, TT, Grack). Seems like a random question, or wants Calix to talk about the one she obviously has a strong opinion on already.
On September 09 2016 20:41 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 20:37 Calix wrote:On September 09 2016 20:31 Superbia wrote:On September 09 2016 20:26 Calix wrote:Yo. Doesn't look like much happened. What I got was: - Superbia is really townie given his setup-spec talk and stream-of-consciousness style posting and I don't see scum ever entering the thread like that. Also I agree with the reads he's posted. Palmar's flippancy is also kinda town although that might just be his personality. He wasn't amazingly involved in the setup talk but the way the conversation progressed made me feel good about him. - Don't like Grackaroni. It feels like he's just hanging on the sidelines; he wasn't very involved in the discussion and most of the posts I read while catching up seemed like he was posting for the sake of looking active. Like there were a lot of places where he could have posted something substantial and he just made some joke comment instead. - I don't like Tumblewood still. On September 09 2016 14:03 Tumblewood wrote:On September 09 2016 11:00 Holyflare wrote:
You shouldn't expect a follow up from Tumblewood that guy is 100% free madia lynch bait.
i'm just not gonna waste 4 hours explaining myself to some scrub who thinks he's caught me in a lie On September 09 2016 10:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 10:21 Tumblewood wrote:
pls stop making me explain myself It's kind of the point of the game. If you have reads but can't express them, no one's going to follow them, and you're as useless as town-Palmar. Explain them. see? it's not even my reads that are unexplained. it's my non-reads. like I have to waste my time explaining why you're all scrubs and I'm not scum for saying something but not drawing a conclusion from it The worst post of this game and I've only read like 8 posts. but that makes it seem less bad if it's only one of 8 posts you've seen On September 09 2016 11:33 fuba wrote:On September 09 2016 09:26 Tumblewood wrote:
fuba also seems pretty cool While I appreciate it, it always makes me uncomfortable when people town read me, especially D1 XD sorry nvm you're scum + Show Spoiler [in case you couldn't tell] +that was a j o k e and I still think he is town can I just complain about new players for a sec? cause I'm reading some posts by NU and he keeps attacking people for being lazy. I get the intentions and that may or not be valid on your home site but here on TL lazy is the meta. it's like a competition for who can look the laziest each game. I want to sheep you hf but after last game I'm paranoid I'll take "avoiding the main points being raised against me" for £200, Alex. Add a dose of unnecessary off-topic whining about Teh N00bs. Oh noes. That last line is really scummy. It's the classic "oh I'll give lip service to lynching X scummy person but then I'll give some bullshit excuse to not follow up on it" scum tactic when the scum feel compelled to talk about their scummy partners but don't actually want to bus them - there is literally NO reason to not vote for Ticktock at this point in time. Paranoia isn't a logical excuse - wouldn't you want to clarify your suspicions by pressuring Ticktock? Why is no-voting better exactly? - The only point of Holyflare's that I find compelling is Ticktock's contradiction ("I find setup spec boring, here's some setup spec") since it makes his point look like filler. Everything else is just background noise compared to that point imo. tl;dr: Grackaroni/ Tumblewood/ Ticktock are my scum-reads and the fact that they are low-key defending each other just makes me feel more confident that lynching among these three is the best option. So: - I'm town - My one townread is town. - All my mafia reads are mafia. Good reads.  In all seriousness, nice pocket regardless of your alignment. Townpass-ish! What do you think of NeverUnlucky? You've played with him before, right? I have. He's a scrub but he's town. He's more proactive and abrasive compared to his scum play. He gets mislynched a lot given he's presumptuous, arrogant, prone to trolling, has poor persuasion abilities, etc, so I am not surprised that he's under some suspicion. I am also 99% sure that he's read like, one or two past games on this site and that's why he's acting like he knows what everyone's meta is. Recently, he read one of my scum games from five months ago and now thinks he's an expert. That's how he rolls. Is he prone to be abrasive and yet form no actual opinion on someone? He calls TW 'lynchbait', which suggests he is TRing him, but nothing suggests he is reaching any actual conclusion. Seems weird to put seemingly that much energy/emotion into something but reach no real conclusion.
This is one of the most misused arguments on the forum. Calling somebody lynch bait doesn't equal calling him town. It just means he's lynch bait. It's like he's trying to get Calix to scumread Never, but he isn't scumreading him either.
On September 09 2016 21:27 Superbia wrote:Rofl this game has the potential to be amazing. Both HF and Palmar seem to be town. We'll see.
They seem pretty null to me. HF opens like that as any alignment. Palmar only did some setup speculation. Super could just be handing out a few easy townreads to potentially dangerous players here.
Super can get lynched if he so badly wants to, I'm down.
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This might just be the game where I'm calling HF mafia. I'm feeling it, but it's not going to happen this early.
Had to laugh when he said "rip tl mafia" after waiting for 10 minutes for a reply though. The restlessness is real.
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On September 09 2016 23:27 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 23:26 Vivax wrote:
This might just be the game where I'm calling HF mafia. I'm feeling it, but it's not going to happen this early.
Had to laugh when he said "rip tl mafia" after waiting for 10 minutes for a reply though. The restlessness is real. Vivax is your read on me OMGUS-based? Seems like you went to pour over my filter for possible scummy things after I called you scum. Am I right here?
I don't respond to claims whether I'm omgusing or not. It's just an easy way for you to discredit my points, which all still stand and your blanket statement that they're incorrect is not going to change anything about that.
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While we're at it you can explain how I was posting for the sake of posting though. Thanks for the reminder.
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