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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 30 2016 00:41 GMT
#1088
On September 30 2016 09:35 DanelerH wrote:
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On September 30 2016 09:14 scott31337 wrote:
On September 30 2016 08:58 DanelerH wrote:
Scott, I have a couple of questions for you:

On September 27 2016 07:00 scott31337 wrote:
That's an interesting kill - could be a dodge though.

Welp DYH Shall we chat?


This was in response to the Superbia kill. What do you think the Mafia was dodging?

On September 28 2016 10:02 scott31337 wrote:
On September 28 2016 09:25 DoYouHas wrote:
Hey guys, I have been slammed at work this week. I will probably have at most 1-2 hours to look at this game between now and deadline.

Many of you want to lynch me, I get it. It might even be for the best as my time really won't free up until this weekend. I apologize for not being on top of my time management to play this game the way it should be played.

That being said, I'm really not going to get into defending myself but I will try to get out a few reads before you all send me packing to try and not leave the town with nothing. If I am unable to get anything out before the deadline tomorrow GL town, ya still got this .


There's one positive, two negatives, and one note with this post I'm going to keep to myself.

The one thing I like is in the third paragraph is how he describes "before you all send me packing to try and not leave the town with nothing." Feels like a honest (or trying to be) townie on a legit sympathy for the rest of the town.

The two things I do not like are "Many of you want to lynch me, I get it." - now if I'm town, I'd phrase this as "Many of you want to mislynch me, I get it." - something worth noting to me.

The other is I will probably have at most 1-2 hours to look at this game between now and deadline. So since your last post - we have had two pages of posting - but you wrote this out instead?

Like I asked Stutters, who do you think are the last two scum, and a sentence of your reasoning.

The note I'm keeping for later in the day and will post if necessary.

So many other people being silent gives me tinfoil tinglies as well.


What was the note you were keeping to yourself?


The medic. They were dodging the medic (if one exists). A vigi would've shot by now.

The note was that this the last post DYH could make a blue claim and I would believe it. If he would have made it afterwards, it was past the point of no return and I wouldn't buy the claim. He had enough pressure and was early enough. That obviously didn't turn out though.


Relating to the first question, do you think there was any other reason why the Mafia would want to kill Superbia?


This post -
On September 26 2016 23:11 Superbia wrote:
Boy I do hope scum doesn't figure out I'm a PR.


But from knowing Superbia's playstyle I was 90% sure this was only a bait. It may have worked

I'm not going to hide the point he was scum reading me as well, if that's where you're going.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 30 2016 05:01 GMT
#1091
On September 30 2016 04:18 Rels wrote:
Yeah this got my attention during EOD as well. Jealous was very quick to throw out the idea of DYH being town for bad reasons.
Scums are most likely in Jealous / Stutters / scott


I'm not sure how it would take you so long to read over his filter and find this.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 30 2016 05:07 GMT
#1092
I'm starting to see the light now.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 30 2016 05:27 GMT
#1093
So reading your filter over Stutters, and I saw -

On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.

Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.


So, I did some research - Unless there's some newer games this does not have, I only see one game (and Assassination?) where you were town and Xatalos is mafia.

[W] Newbie Mini Mafia XXVI http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363923&user=Stutters695&view=all
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 30 2016 05:30 GMT
#1094
On September 24 2016 14:31 Stutters695 wrote:
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On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^


Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.

Emphasis mine. I'd lynch for this


I still never understood this.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 30 2016 05:39 GMT
#1095
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=87

Maybe you think Superbia reads you too well, that's why you got vig'ed in this game with me, TT, etc.? Cap him n1 and get him out of the game?

Maybe a little too confirmation bias
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 30 2016 21:41 GMT
#1171
If you all think Stutters is town and do not want to lynch him - it's fine. Him and Xatalos make the most sense to me though.

Seeing TicTock go after me makes me sad though - We've been having in sync thoughts and I guess cuz I had a few beers and things started to make more sense now he thinks I am mafia. But I'm pretty sure he's town. I don't why this has happened (his 180) - I guess cause of my base case on Stutters? It was more that he hasn't done shit - I know the mafia game link was weak.

I'll be back and forth - probably going out to eat though. Going to take it pretty easy today, I have a test tomorrow to take and I want a clear mind for it. Speaking of, I won't be here for deadline.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
October 01 2016 18:15 GMT
#1183
Well TT, let's see what you got:

My replies in bold

On October 01 2016 19:49 Tictock wrote:
The Case on Scott


Just for a change of pace and to keep this post from getting unmanageable I'm going to link to posts rather than quote them directly, at least for the most part.

Regarding Lunatic:
Feel like I should just get the done first and get it out of the way.

Scott first mentions Lunatic in #380 though he is pretty much just mirroring what has already been said about Lunatic. In the very next post Scott throws out doubts because nobody is defending Lunatic.

Last we get #518 which is when Scott decided to vote for Lunatic. To me this post reads as though Scott is reluctant to lynch Lunatic, but has no better alternatives (this will get into my next point).

So Scott parroted the concerns people had with Lunatic, threw out doubts, then voted Lunatic when there was really no other option. Also worth noting that after Scott posts #380 he has nothing to say about any other reads besides a post responding to stutters where he concludes SEQ was just under a null read.

So this doesn't make me mafia though - You just all think I rode the phat bus. Hey I was worried there was no one defending Luna, like I've mentioned multiple times. When no one defends, OFTEN it's a townie. Luna's screw up was so bad though.

D1 Read's and Progression:
Not quite the same as the last point, but related.

I pointed out that Scott didn't really talk about his reads after #380, but before that he posted #307 where he townreads Calix and Rels, and scumreads Jealous and Dane.

The problem here is that Scott gives no real indication of why he thinks they are scum, and these reads basically disappear after #380. In fact both Jealous and Dane later show up in #661 as townreads with no real mention of them in between.

So basically besides what I already talked about with Lunatic, Scott has no read progression at all with his D1 reads.

EoN2 Reads List:
Reviewing Scotts filter I realized that his reads posted in #1076 don't really make sense given his progression.

THESE ARE ALMOST THE SAME FUCKING READS YOU HAVE! SO WHY AM I MAFIA?


The biggest thing is the read on Xata, Scott had Xata as a townread in #661 and the only post relating to Xata I could find is Scott reacting to Xata's big "Possible teams" post. Problem is the read shift to scum here seems a bit exaggerated,
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Guy is pretty defensive, doesn't like to give up information unless forced (Don't give town a damn thing style) - and feel like he's trying to mislynch Skynx, since I'm either being really pocketed or he's town. He also in his "scum team" and other posts seem to leave me as low hanging fruit.


I'm not gunna dig into this read much, besides note that it's odd that Scott accuses Xata of trying to mislynch Skynx. I will also make note for my next point that based on this reads list Xata is Scott's strongest scum read.

Push on Stutters today:
As I said before this was what first got me reconsidering my read on Scott.

So coming into today Scott and I apparently have very similar reads and Scott asks me,
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On September 30 2016 07:02 scott31337 wrote:
A'ight. What do you think TT? Put some pressure on Xata? Wait for stutters to shit out some info? What do you think?

Which seems fine and resonable so I reply that pushing stutters is kinda pointless and ask him to talk to me about Xata. Scott still never responded to this.

Instead Scott "starts to see the light" and makes the push on Stutters. This bothers me not just because scott asked my opinion and this was the opposite of it, but because Stutters is already super-low hanging fruit that is widely scumread. What really makes this push unlikely to come from town imo is just how bad the points Scott brought up where. The comment stutters made about playing with Xata in the past is so NAI I'm amazed Scott even tried to make a post about it (I suspect that post was made to give screenshots and make it look like scott was trying to dig into things). The stuff about the past game where Super vigged Stutters had no real connection to this game since Super townread Stutters and when I spent 5 min glancing at Stutters filter that game I thought it was pretty clear the play we see from Stutters this game is very different from that scumgame.

Basically neither point Scott makes should suggest Stutters is scum, and reviewing the same stuff Scott did I came to the opposite conclusion.

Whats amazing is that even when I say we aren't lynching Stutters and that I want to lynch Scott, here is his response.
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On October 01 2016 06:41 scott31337 wrote:
If you all think Stutters is town and do not want to lynch him - it's fine. Him and Xatalos make the most sense to me though.

Seeing TicTock go after me makes me sad though - We've been having in sync thoughts and I guess cuz I had a few beers and things started to make more sense now he thinks I am mafia. But I'm pretty sure he's town. I don't why this has happened (his 180) - I guess cause of my base case on Stutters? It was more that he hasn't done shit - I know the mafia game link was weak.

I'll be back and forth - probably going out to eat though. Going to take it pretty easy today, I have a test tomorrow to take and I want a clear mind for it. Speaking of, I won't be here for deadline.


No shits given if we don't lynch Stutters, no effort to push Xata, zero effort to read Xata better or read anyone else for that matter. Even admits his own point on Stutters was weak.

Misc:

Just a couple things I noticed that bug me.

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On September 27 2016 07:04 scott31337 wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:11 Superbia wrote:
Boy I do hope scum doesn't figure out I'm a PR.


Some one that may have been around after this post? Hmmm
Could be lurkers too, I shouldn't think too much of it.


Scott has pushed this a couple times as to why Super got killed. Scum didn't buy that post, nobody ever got fooled by that post. Even joking around I'm not sure why Scott would repeat this, but he did.

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On September 30 2016 07:03 scott31337 wrote:
Also if there's a cop - remember there's a miller and a godfather, your checks can mean nothing.


Who wants to bet Scott is the goon? Lol.

Seriously though, this struck me as odd. I don't know why would town think to post this, but obv scum worried about getting checked would benefit from reminding any cop that there is some hate on his checks.




I think that about covers it. I've got a bit more to say as I've got a pretty good running theory about who the last scum is as well, but I'll go ahead and save that for now kus it might get confusing.


I'm VT. This will be my last defending post. LIKE I POSTED YESTERDAY, I have a test to take in an hour. Go ahead and lynch me. Go ahead and say "He would've defeneded more."
I don't have time to. I need a calm mind for my test, and this will not help.
I think town is losing traction but do a lot of posting and we can get this game back.

I love how I got the same reads as TT and post the same fucking reads 30 seconds later but I'm fucking mafia.

GLHF
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
October 02 2016 02:58 GMT
#1268
Well I hope i passed my test - I'll find out in a couple of weeks. Get my nerd card!

I'm glad the miller issue has been solved, but it sucks Stutters was a mislynch. I've tried to guide two people I think we're mafia to their deaths and it has failed, so I have little faith in this game anymore of my reads. I need you guys to help me out. I won't want to guide another to lylo.

If we don't get a doc save or vet shot, it'll be 5-2 tomorrow. It'll probably be time to think about claiming (DO NOT DO IT BEFORE DAY THOUGH!)
I'm going to an American Football party tomorrow, so I'll check in here and there, but do not expect much.
Monday shouldn't be too busy (I HOPE) at work.

I still do not get TT's 180 though, especially when we had the same reads.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
October 04 2016 16:01 GMT
#1451
GG!
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