On September 29 2016 15:05 ptmc wrote: So stutters is modkilled at EON?
Sorry guys. I got really busy.
Just a warning this time. Won't be modkilled.
Jesus tit-sucking Christ, that's a shameless mod-dodge if I ever saw one. Doesn't even comment on the fucking game.
At this point, he needs to be policy-lynched now rather than later to clear shit up. He's a black hole that makes it difficult to judge other players and the discussion around him is getting stale because he does nothing.
He's already survived two days longer than he should have done and that was back when he was actually posting.
Gotta admit that his play has been subpar at best... It's subpar as either alignment though, not merely subpar as town.
Outside of that scum game Scott linked, my scum record is pretty dope.
I'd like to hear your other point on me however. Honestly, if I was looking at me from the outside, I'd want me dead as well.
I'll say it tomorrow, if it looks like you'll be lynched otherwise. It'd be better though if you could actually, you know, play the game
On October 01 2016 01:08 Xatalos wrote: Finally back. Expected Calix over Rels, but maybe dodged or something.
On September 30 2016 09:59 DanelerH wrote: Thank you for the answers, Scott. Now I have a question for Xatalos:
On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote: Stutters A more controversial pick for green color, perhaps, but I agree with whoever said that it would be extremely rare for scum to immediately throw a strong townread on their teammate like Lunatic did. It would only link them together in everyone's minds (something scum would definitely not want) and make the other look bad/scum if the other flips. In addition, it wouldn't come naturally as a careless throwaway comment like how Lunatic said it. It just fits so much better as a casual, too strong townread on someone he would know to be town in advance. Also, I have an interesting theory related to Stutters, but that's best left for later.
I'm interested in this theory you have that's related to Stutters. Mind sharing it? I'm assuming it relates to the second good reason you have to Town-read Stutters. + Show Spoiler +
On September 29 2016 07:08 Xatalos wrote: Hm. stutters didn't vote?
There are still two good reasons to townread him, but his play is really...
Sorry, it's confidential for now... And not entirely certain. I'll say my thought there when the time is right.
However, I'll counter by asking... Where are you going with these questions to different players?
Sorry, it's confidential for now...
In all serious, though, I noticed a correlation between Superbia and Rels. They were both suspicious of Scott, which is why I started by questioning xem. Judging by Scott's answers, I feel like xe might be leaning Town. They were also both suspicious of you, so I questioned you next. Based on your answer, you're sounding less Town.
Can you expand on what you thought was towny about Scott's response and what was scummy about Xata's?
I don't like how Xatalos is unwilling to share the theory about Stutters. For Scott, the answers were straightforward and sounded like they came from Town.
Not really sure how that logic dictates town or scum.
On October 01 2016 02:55 Xatalos wrote: In any case, they should be both lynched over stutters every time.
If stutters keeps getting votes, I'll probably need to share my other reason. But the first reason (Lunatic's scum->town-like reaction to stutters) is already pretty clear.
What the fuck is the point of hiding your reasoning? It's a town-read, not nuclear codes.
Your evasiveness is similar to Lunatic's evasion of his Stutters town-read and it's been noted.
On September 29 2016 15:05 ptmc wrote: So stutters is modkilled at EON?
Sorry guys. I got really busy.
Just a warning this time. Won't be modkilled.
Jesus tit-sucking Christ, that's a shameless mod-dodge if I ever saw one. Doesn't even comment on the fucking game.
At this point, he needs to be policy-lynched now rather than later to clear shit up. He's a black hole that makes it difficult to judge other players and the discussion around him is getting stale because he does nothing.
He's already survived two days longer than he should have done and that was back when he was actually posting.
Gotta admit that his play has been subpar at best... It's subpar as either alignment though, not merely subpar as town.
It's a bloody good thing I went out for a walk in a park today. I have some lovely pictures of hedges which remind me of your posts.
It's safest to have your reads like this. You can always say you were right in the post-game.
In all seriousness, though, you misread my post. I didn't say that stutters was bad town/scum. What I said there was that stutters is probably town, and his subpar play from town-perspective doesn't necessarily make him scum, as this play would have been almost equally subpar for a scumster.
On October 01 2016 03:55 Calix wrote: "I'll keep waving around a promise of a super-special contribution on the leading train in lieu of actual contribution."
On October 01 2016 02:55 Xatalos wrote: In any case, they should be both lynched over stutters every time.
If stutters keeps getting votes, I'll probably need to share my other reason. But the first reason (Lunatic's scum->town-like reaction to stutters) is already pretty clear.
Lets play a game...
Just based on posts made from the start of this Phase, who would you vote between Scott/Skynx?
At least a sentence as to why as well plz.
Oh yeah, forgot this post.
scott maybe. Didn't really like his post asking for what actions to take today from you (too consensus-blendy). His post against stutters was also a bit WTF (that's a reason to suspect him, like really now?). His reasons to suspect me were also pretty forced and sudden.
Skynx didn't really do anything of note today.
So yeah, scott has started to look worse lately. Maybe he would even be the safer bet at this rate.
On October 01 2016 03:55 Calix wrote: "I'll keep waving around a promise of a super-special contribution on the leading train in lieu of actual contribution."
- You
I have my reasons.
K. I haven't fully re-read your filter yet, but what are your thoughts on Scott?
Hanging around the spot of most likely scum with Skynx.
On September 29 2016 15:05 ptmc wrote: So stutters is modkilled at EON?
Sorry guys. I got really busy.
Just a warning this time. Won't be modkilled.
Jesus tit-sucking Christ, that's a shameless mod-dodge if I ever saw one. Doesn't even comment on the fucking game.
At this point, he needs to be policy-lynched now rather than later to clear shit up. He's a black hole that makes it difficult to judge other players and the discussion around him is getting stale because he does nothing.
He's already survived two days longer than he should have done and that was back when he was actually posting.
Gotta admit that his play has been subpar at best... It's subpar as either alignment though, not merely subpar as town.
Outside of that scum game Scott linked, my scum record is pretty dope.
I'd like to hear your other point on me however. Honestly, if I was looking at me from the outside, I'd want me dead as well.
I'll say it tomorrow, if it looks like you'll be lynched otherwise. It'd be better though if you could actually, you know, play the game
if you want to change my vote you have like 5 mins max, since ill be off by then.
On September 29 2016 15:05 ptmc wrote: So stutters is modkilled at EON?
Sorry guys. I got really busy.
Just a warning this time. Won't be modkilled.
Jesus tit-sucking Christ, that's a shameless mod-dodge if I ever saw one. Doesn't even comment on the fucking game.
At this point, he needs to be policy-lynched now rather than later to clear shit up. He's a black hole that makes it difficult to judge other players and the discussion around him is getting stale because he does nothing.
He's already survived two days longer than he should have done and that was back when he was actually posting.
Gotta admit that his play has been subpar at best... It's subpar as either alignment though, not merely subpar as town.
Outside of that scum game Scott linked, my scum record is pretty dope.
I'd like to hear your other point on me however. Honestly, if I was looking at me from the outside, I'd want me dead as well.
I'll say it tomorrow, if it looks like you'll be lynched otherwise. It'd be better though if you could actually, you know, play the game
if you want to change my vote you have like 5 mins max, since ill be off by then.
You won't be online until deadline, really?
I'll be online next time on tuesday (mb monday evening), yes.
......Still I'd rather not say it yet. I don't think one vote would make the difference.
On October 01 2016 03:55 Calix wrote: "I'll keep waving around a promise of a super-special contribution on the leading train in lieu of actual contribution."
- You
I have my reasons.
K. I haven't fully re-read your filter yet, but what are your thoughts on Scott?
Hanging around the spot of most likely scum with Skynx.
Cool.
Unrelated, but have you done giant list posts on possible scum teams in other games?
Sadly, the main result of that analysis was that DYH didn't really fit into many scumteams (except maybe with scott), and that's already irrelevant now.
On October 01 2016 02:55 Xatalos wrote: In any case, they should be both lynched over stutters every time.
If stutters keeps getting votes, I'll probably need to share my other reason. But the first reason (Lunatic's scum->town-like reaction to stutters) is already pretty clear.
Lets play a game...
Just based on posts made from the start of this Phase, who would you vote between Scott/Skynx?
At least a sentence as to why as well plz.
Oh yeah, forgot this post.
scott maybe. Didn't really like his post asking for what actions to take today from you (too consensus-blendy). His post against stutters was also a bit WTF (that's a reason to suspect him, like really now?). His reasons to suspect me were also pretty forced and sudden.
Skynx didn't really do anything of note today.
So yeah, scott has started to look worse lately. Maybe he would even be the safer bet at this rate.
Why?
Not sure that you've ever really given a proper scumread on Skynx. If my glance through your filter is correct that read started because of your team speculation post.
It started to develop from reading ptmc's giant event listing post and he became a solid scumread sometime after that when I read his filter. My first case on him was pretty flawed though, you can pretty much ignore it (and seems like you did lol). Focused on little additional details in that rather than the main points that were already mentioned by ptmc. In my association thingy I did a more comprehensive listing of my reads, including a small, more focused case on Skynx (focusing heavily on the Lunatic association). Afterwards noticed some more things such as his huge tunnel on me after I started suspecting him, which felt too strong for whatever reasons he said.
And process of elimination doesn't leave much room for Skynx to be town either at this point.
On October 01 2016 04:32 Xatalos wrote: Sadly, the main result of that analysis was that DYH didn't really fit into many scumteams (except maybe with scott), and that's already irrelevant now.
Its cool. That post just bothered me a bit but with how much you post it wasn't worth reading old games.
On October 01 2016 05:24 Tictock wrote: I'll write up a case on Scott later.
His push on Stutters seemed really out of place to me. He asked my opinion, then ignored my response to make a bad push on somebody who hasn't been around and everyone is scum reading anyways.
A few other things feel like they are falling into place considering Scott as scum as well, but I'm still mulling things over.
Would be interested to hear those "other things" before deadline.
Agreed that his play in this phase has been probably the most concerning out of anyone. Definitely more so than stutters.
On October 01 2016 19:20 Calix wrote: You're forgetting that the weekend's started. A drop in activity is only to be expected.
I'm popping out in five. I'll look him over when I get back and I'll probably be around for EOD.
Pfft, you people with lives...
As for the scott post, I agree that his sudden shift to scumreading me felt too forced/strong. More like he decided to push me and threw some reasons as an afterthought. Same with how he treated stutters. I have no idea how a townie could read stutters' joke posts about my meta and come to the conclusion that it makes stutters scum.. Even more so, if the scumteam was me+stutters (like scott suggested), how would that whole theory even make sense? stutters would have "pushed" me with fake meta, and for what reason? I could maybe somehow understand the idea behind it (even if it would make little sense) if he thought I was town and stutters scum, but his reason to scumread stutters just makes no sense if he's sure I'm scum with stutters... Absolutely no sense at all.
Yeah, scott is the way to go. How would town even make that post reminding the Cop that his checks are "almost meaningless"? Especially right after night ended where he was under suspicion? Town scott wouldn't feel threatened in that situation, but scum scott certainly would.
I hope people will see the light about scott so that I won't have to tell my other reasoning on stutters. It would almost certainly be detrimental if I had to do that.
EPT
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