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-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 06 2016 00:23 GMT
#1041
I kinda want to just give up now, this is really depressing. I've been working off the assumption since the Kelsier flip that we'd have a mislynch to work with. ;_;
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 06 2016 00:25 GMT
#1042
Also you need to go vote for Lunatic since he's claimed scum, silent.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 06 2016 00:59 GMT
#1043
And apparently nobody's around to talk. Despite the fact one mislynch will kill us and we've just lost Rels. Everyone buggers off.

Great.

"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 06 2016 01:18 GMT
#1044
Guess I'll go play Overwatch.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
August 06 2016 01:52 GMT
#1045
-Celestial- is basically town. I don't know why he's freaking out about people worrying otherwise which just makes him seem less town tbh. Still overall town.

As for me, I don't really mind being the mislynch. In the end, it's just Rels scum reading me for the umpteenth time when I'm town and maybe my death here will make him think otherwise(?) which is highly unlikely but whatever.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
August 06 2016 01:53 GMT
#1046
So....consider this a basic afk from here on out.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 06 2016 02:08 GMT
#1047
On August 06 2016 10:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I don't know why he's freaking out about people worrying otherwise


I wasn't, I was freaking out about being the potential D5 rather than D4 lynch because I thought we had one more mislynch in us.

I go away on holiday in a week so my activity is going to go down for D5. I thought that if we mislynched one we're still in it; so I was thinking I'd rather be lynched D4 and we can get that out of the way and everyone can re-evaluate their reads rather than get a different mislynch before me and me being on the spot whilst totally unable to defend myself a week from now (on D5).

My point was its better to make a mistake on me now when that mistake isn't fatal, than in a week when it will be both fatal and almost inevitable (because I won't be able to argue back effectively).

As it is my point is totally arbitrary. I miscounted. If we mislynch we lose.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 06 2016 02:55 GMT
#1048
Well not totally unable. But it becomes much more difficult for me to filter dive extensively and stuff like that. And also I just won't be on so much.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
August 06 2016 07:54 GMT
#1049
On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:
Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though.

But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC

Show nested quote +
On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted.


So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us.

Show nested quote +
On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game

##vote Race Bannon

See you all in a few days


Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post.
I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do.
##vote Kelsier SC


I think it is kinda funny how you claim to be the perfect mafia hunter, but when you look at your filter its full of crap shoots:

Ok, so thought I should give you my general reads on everyone and also a little to clarify my position on Kelsier.

Stutters695:
I'm pretty sure stutters is mafia. He begins with basically calling out Race and wanting to lynch him. A little too easy tbh, but still nothing suspect about that since Race was spamming hard at that point. But then, basically the only thing he does is ask others opinions and adding nothing himself. He then says he would prefer to lynch a lurker, and if not a lurker then grack, for which his reasoning is only 2 sentences. Then goes on to agree with other people and asking questions adding nothing himself. But then, contrary to his position before on lynching a lurker, minutes after celestial votes for me he places his vote on me as well. At this point he hasn't said a word about me at all and the only thing he says about the vote is "this guy gets it" about celestials vote on me. He basically only votes for me because celestials does. That's what it looks like, because he gave no indication that he thought I was mafia before. Certainly not enough to warrant a vote on me. You guys should really take a look at his filter.

Kelsier:
I don't know what to think about him anymore. My first post about him was partly to get him to actually post more so I could get a better read on him. At that time, he didn't want to post because there wasn't anything "good" in thread yet. But then, when thread gets some content he comes in and basically says this game is "terrible" and still won't post anything at all about his views about the game. What possible reason was there to not post then? Or after, because he still hasn't said anthing for a while. Right now I'm leaning scum on him.

Celestial:
I liked his big post. I obviously disagree with him about me but his post definetly shows that he is out to analyze us and hunt mafia. I agree with him on some stuff there. But I think he confuses opinions he dosen't like being equal to mafia. He does this to me, since his main reason against me is that he disagrees with me and that is the reason he votes to lynch me. He also gives people towncred for being against me for the same reason. I'm still leaning town on him though.

Scott/Race: On Race actions, I admit I was wrong. I thought it was just early game posting to get people to talk. But he was just a spammer. On scott however I think he is town. His entry post to me seems very town-like. He immedietly accuses 4 people of scum. To me, mafia are more careful and I can't see them coming in and doing that during first posts. Granted, you can fake being careless, but what reason would mafia have to get on 4 people's bad side for calling them mafia? He is townlean for me.

beentheredonethat:
This guy seems like a newbie to me. People have mentioned his post about lynching Race before replacement, but I don't think it was really that alignment indictive honestly. He seems generally a little clumsy in his posts. His vote on Lunatic didn't have that much content. Mostly it was meta and the fact that lunatic wasn't pushing anyone. He is null to me right now.

I will post more about the rest of the players too, but wanted to get this out here first.
##Unvote
##Vote: Stutters695


Like nothing about these two posts made any sense and are misslynches. How can we even trust you?
Failure is not an option
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
August 06 2016 08:02 GMT
#1050
On August 06 2016 04:03 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2016 03:40 scott31337 wrote:
Sorry I haven't been into the game much -
I glanced we lynch the vet in a tight vote - best to look there next.


Next we're lynching Lunatic since he effectively claimed scum with his cc leading to the mislynch.

If you don't lynch Lunatic tomorrow you're pretty much claiming scum yourself.


Also Rels already posted his last will here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25917038

Summary: He wants Lunatic then BTDT. Then between Moosy and J Roc.


Personally I'd rather lynch Lunatic then you. But I'll probably have another look at Rels' argument for reading you town in the next few days. Got plenty of time because we got the rest of this night, then all of D3. Then N3 and only then do we have to actually start deciding where to go next (because we're lynching Lunatic tomorrow, full stop).


Is it my fault that KSC played like an idiot. I was doing what I thought was best for town. He even claimed when told not to by the majority of the players. It almost felt like he was trying to get the vigilante to shoot him.
Failure is not an option
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
August 06 2016 08:05 GMT
#1051
On August 06 2016 09:59 -Celestial- wrote:
And apparently nobody's around to talk. Despite the fact one mislynch will kill us and we've just lost Rels. Everyone buggers off.

Great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDfBLFyTBM4



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Failure is not an option
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 06 2016 10:40 GMT
#1052
On August 06 2016 17:02 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2016 04:03 -Celestial- wrote:
On August 06 2016 03:40 scott31337 wrote:
Sorry I haven't been into the game much -
I glanced we lynch the vet in a tight vote - best to look there next.


Next we're lynching Lunatic since he effectively claimed scum with his cc leading to the mislynch.

If you don't lynch Lunatic tomorrow you're pretty much claiming scum yourself.


Also Rels already posted his last will here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25917038

Summary: He wants Lunatic then BTDT. Then between Moosy and J Roc.


Personally I'd rather lynch Lunatic then you. But I'll probably have another look at Rels' argument for reading you town in the next few days. Got plenty of time because we got the rest of this night, then all of D3. Then N3 and only then do we have to actually start deciding where to go next (because we're lynching Lunatic tomorrow, full stop).


Is it my fault that KSC played like an idiot. I was doing what I thought was best for town. He even claimed when told not to by the majority of the players. It almost felt like he was trying to get the vigilante to shoot him.


Why did you counterclaim a blue though if you are town. That's the stupidest thing you can do, I even said so that day.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 06 2016 10:41 GMT
#1053
On August 06 2016 19:40 silentwarrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2016 17:02 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 06 2016 04:03 -Celestial- wrote:
On August 06 2016 03:40 scott31337 wrote:
Sorry I haven't been into the game much -
I glanced we lynch the vet in a tight vote - best to look there next.


Next we're lynching Lunatic since he effectively claimed scum with his cc leading to the mislynch.

If you don't lynch Lunatic tomorrow you're pretty much claiming scum yourself.


Also Rels already posted his last will here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25917038

Summary: He wants Lunatic then BTDT. Then between Moosy and J Roc.


Personally I'd rather lynch Lunatic then you. But I'll probably have another look at Rels' argument for reading you town in the next few days. Got plenty of time because we got the rest of this night, then all of D3. Then N3 and only then do we have to actually start deciding where to go next (because we're lynching Lunatic tomorrow, full stop).


Is it my fault that KSC played like an idiot. I was doing what I thought was best for town. He even claimed when told not to by the majority of the players. It almost felt like he was trying to get the vigilante to shoot him.



Why did you counterclaim a blue though if you are town. That's the stupidest thing you can do, I even said so that day.


Not that I believe for one second that you are town.
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
August 06 2016 11:01 GMT
#1054
On August 06 2016 19:40 silentwarrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2016 17:02 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 06 2016 04:03 -Celestial- wrote:
On August 06 2016 03:40 scott31337 wrote:
Sorry I haven't been into the game much -
I glanced we lynch the vet in a tight vote - best to look there next.


Next we're lynching Lunatic since he effectively claimed scum with his cc leading to the mislynch.

If you don't lynch Lunatic tomorrow you're pretty much claiming scum yourself.


Also Rels already posted his last will here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25917038

Summary: He wants Lunatic then BTDT. Then between Moosy and J Roc.


Personally I'd rather lynch Lunatic then you. But I'll probably have another look at Rels' argument for reading you town in the next few days. Got plenty of time because we got the rest of this night, then all of D3. Then N3 and only then do we have to actually start deciding where to go next (because we're lynching Lunatic tomorrow, full stop).


Is it my fault that KSC played like an idiot. I was doing what I thought was best for town. He even claimed when told not to by the majority of the players. It almost felt like he was trying to get the vigilante to shoot him.


Why did you counterclaim a blue though if you are town. That's the stupidest thing you can do, I even said so that day.


It was the obvious play as a mafia. If I was in his situation I would have claimed too as mafia. I didn't do it until I was sure that he was mafia.

If Rels wasn't killed and flipped blue I would honestly have thought that there was another blue role out there.

A person can CC someone if you think they are mafia to begin with. I've done it many times. Often this leaves the real blue alive too.
Failure is not an option
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
August 06 2016 11:07 GMT
#1055
On August 06 2016 19:41 silentwarrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2016 19:40 silentwarrior wrote:
On August 06 2016 17:02 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 06 2016 04:03 -Celestial- wrote:
On August 06 2016 03:40 scott31337 wrote:
Sorry I haven't been into the game much -
I glanced we lynch the vet in a tight vote - best to look there next.


Next we're lynching Lunatic since he effectively claimed scum with his cc leading to the mislynch.

If you don't lynch Lunatic tomorrow you're pretty much claiming scum yourself.


Also Rels already posted his last will here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25917038

Summary: He wants Lunatic then BTDT. Then between Moosy and J Roc.


Personally I'd rather lynch Lunatic then you. But I'll probably have another look at Rels' argument for reading you town in the next few days. Got plenty of time because we got the rest of this night, then all of D3. Then N3 and only then do we have to actually start deciding where to go next (because we're lynching Lunatic tomorrow, full stop).


Is it my fault that KSC played like an idiot. I was doing what I thought was best for town. He even claimed when told not to by the majority of the players. It almost felt like he was trying to get the vigilante to shoot him.



Why did you counterclaim a blue though if you are town. That's the stupidest thing you can do, I even said so that day.


Not that I believe for one second that you are town.



Oh really, because you are such a white sunny snowflake #SilentMafia #MediaCoverage

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Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
August 06 2016 11:37 GMT
#1056
On August 06 2016 19:40 silentwarrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2016 17:02 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 06 2016 04:03 -Celestial- wrote:
On August 06 2016 03:40 scott31337 wrote:
Sorry I haven't been into the game much -
I glanced we lynch the vet in a tight vote - best to look there next.


Next we're lynching Lunatic since he effectively claimed scum with his cc leading to the mislynch.

If you don't lynch Lunatic tomorrow you're pretty much claiming scum yourself.


Also Rels already posted his last will here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25917038

Summary: He wants Lunatic then BTDT. Then between Moosy and J Roc.


Personally I'd rather lynch Lunatic then you. But I'll probably have another look at Rels' argument for reading you town in the next few days. Got plenty of time because we got the rest of this night, then all of D3. Then N3 and only then do we have to actually start deciding where to go next (because we're lynching Lunatic tomorrow, full stop).


Is it my fault that KSC played like an idiot. I was doing what I thought was best for town. He even claimed when told not to by the majority of the players. It almost felt like he was trying to get the vigilante to shoot him.


Why did you counterclaim a blue though if you are town. That's the stupidest thing you can do, I even said so that day.


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-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 06 2016 15:11 GMT
#1057
Yeah, no. Sorry Lunatic but there is virtually no way you are town here. After that play you're not getting anything but scumread especially considering said play wiped out the last mislynch chance we had and killed an actual blue.

There is probably somewhere south of a 1% chance of you actually being town here. And that's being VERY generous. You're an auto-target at this point.


On a side note I'd like to point out that scott is still nowhere to be seen. With a filter consisting of literally of around two dozen posts in the entire game. And in the last eight posts he's said no less than three times he is going to give some reads or be around for discussion or whatever. And then just hasn't.

On August 02 2016 08:09 scott31337 wrote:
I'll be around to discuss some things later.


After which he made two posts, which are frankly stretching the definition of "discuss". One going "nice find" to the vote-count thing Moosy led me to. The other asking Rels if he's "run out of energy".

Then:
On August 03 2016 14:08 scott31337 wrote:
I took the day off work tomorrow so I'll read over then and give my thoughts.


This was the car accident post. So its a bit more understandable that he doesn't follow up on this when he said he would.

Then a post about how he's skimmed the thread and will leave a vote.

Then:
On August 06 2016 03:40 scott31337 wrote:
I'll try to get some time later.


That was twenty hours ago, so rapidly approaching a full day, with no follow up. Not even a "whoops I didn't get time".


I'd like to reiterate that scott is doing literally jack all, his earlier posts are questionable at BEST, and despite all of that people are heavily townreading him for that and some vote indicators.

But I've been banging this drum for a while now and a bunch of people are flat out ignoring it, yet are apparently totally unable to explain it away. Wake the hell up, everyone.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
August 06 2016 15:55 GMT
#1058
On August 07 2016 00:11 -Celestial- wrote:
Yeah, no. Sorry Lunatic but there is virtually no way you are town here. After that play you're not getting anything but scumread especially considering said play wiped out the last mislynch chance we had and killed an actual blue.

There is probably somewhere south of a 1% chance of you actually being town here. And that's being VERY generous. You're an auto-target at this point.


On a side note I'd like to point out that scott is still nowhere to be seen. With a filter consisting of literally of around two dozen posts in the entire game. And in the last eight posts he's said no less than three times he is going to give some reads or be around for discussion or whatever. And then just hasn't.

Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 08:09 scott31337 wrote:
I'll be around to discuss some things later.


After which he made two posts, which are frankly stretching the definition of "discuss". One going "nice find" to the vote-count thing Moosy led me to. The other asking Rels if he's "run out of energy".

Then:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 14:08 scott31337 wrote:
I took the day off work tomorrow so I'll read over then and give my thoughts.


This was the car accident post. So its a bit more understandable that he doesn't follow up on this when he said he would.

Then a post about how he's skimmed the thread and will leave a vote.

Then:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2016 03:40 scott31337 wrote:
I'll try to get some time later.


That was twenty hours ago, so rapidly approaching a full day, with no follow up. Not even a "whoops I didn't get time".


I'd like to reiterate that scott is doing literally jack all, his earlier posts are questionable at BEST, and despite all of that people are heavily townreading him for that and some vote indicators.

But I've been banging this drum for a while now and a bunch of people are flat out ignoring it, yet are apparently totally unable to explain it away. Wake the hell up, everyone.


What if I told you I am that 1%. I just told you why. At least you could give me the curtious call to read my answer.

I know I have failed you but at least give me one more try.
Failure is not an option
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 06 2016 16:13 GMT
#1059
On August 07 2016 00:55 Lunaticman wrote:
What if I told you I am that 1%. I just told you why. At least you could give me the curtious call to read my answer.

I know I have failed you but at least give me one more try.



I've read your posts. It absolutely does not change my position. Yes, there are possible reasons for making such a play, none of those reasons excuse what actually happened. Nor is it a play a town should EVER make when one mislynch from LYLO because, if the play goes bad, it makes them an automatic lynch the next day and therefore is an outright game-losing play. The only side who would (or rather should) ever make such a fake-claim play at this point in the game is scum, full stop.

Not lynching you now is literally the worst town play possible by every single measure. I would be more inclined to believe someone telling me the sky is green than you being town right now.

In the unbelievably unlikely event that you are town then Kelsier doing jack all when he was a blue and you counterclaiming him when you were a green quite literally pushed us from "bad position" to "losing the game". And, frankly, makes this game a total embarrassment for all of us honestly.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 06 2016 16:14 GMT
#1060
At this point the only thing I'll believe from Lunatic is a post consisting of baby seals.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
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