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On August 05 2016 17:15 beentheredonethat wrote:
You guys believe a cc with shitty reasoning
This pretty much outs you here. Its not so much anyone 'believed' so much as mechanically the best play there was to lynch KSC, then lynch Lunatic. KSC had done nothing all game. Lunatic's claim came off the back of actually doing stuff. Either way you're lynching one then the other if the first doesn't flip red.
I already pointed out how super weird your last post was. The problem is that now town can't lynch me for the confirmation to kill you and probably scott, which is a huge pain. scott really has done absolutely nothing of value all game but you love the guy.
Actually on reflection I'd maybe prefer a scott lynch first. But there's plenty of time to think on it because tomorrow we're lynching Lunatic so its at least like...five days before we lynch anyone else. Plenty of time to re-dive everyone.
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The reasoning for possibly scott first is that there's a somewhat outside chance that BTDT is a town just towning scott for terrible reasons. And then started to OMGUS me after the big thing on Lunatic earlier.
I don't think so but its within the realm of possibilities. Would give more time for BTDT to develop a filter to look at.
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On August 05 2016 21:27 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 17:15 beentheredonethat wrote:
You guys believe a cc with shitty reasoning This pretty much outs you here. Its not so much anyone 'believed' so much as mechanically the best play there was to lynch KSC, then lynch Lunatic. KSC had done nothing all game. Lunatic's claim came off the back of actually doing stuff. Either way you're lynching one then the other if the first doesn't flip red. I already pointed out how super weird your last post was. The problem is that now town can't lynch me for the confirmation to kill you and probably scott, which is a huge pain. scott really has done absolutely nothing of value all game but you love the guy. Actually on reflection I'd maybe prefer a scott lynch first. But there's plenty of time to think on it because tomorrow we're lynching Lunatic so its at least like...five days before we lynch anyone else. Plenty of time to re-dive everyone.
I am not exactly understanding why I am "outed" here. The best play would have been to lynch the obviously fake counter claim. Let me bring up the fact that I pushed Lunatic D1. Brought him up to people's attention N1. That I was the third to vote him and thus was the (imho) initial vote that got the wagon running. Keep in mind that my stance was that Kelsier should be today's lynch BEFORE the wagon had finally formed.
You are following thread sentiment. You contributed nothing D2 except for a huge but redundant post on the already formed wagon which can very easily be used as a big excuse for you bussing a teammate.
"Lunatic's claim came off the back of actually doing stuff". You are contradicting yourself here. You pointed out, as others did before you, that most of Lunatic's stuff was actually empty, half-hearted, and scum-indicative. Why do you throw away all those points that you brought up before and say now that "he was actually doing stuff"? What exactly was he doing besides claiming medic? Lunatic claimed medic for one purpose only: to avert his lynch and to get another blue role lynched. And you insist that he actually was doing something? That is a plain lie that strongly speaks for you being Lunatic's team member. As I pointed out before, you were reluctant to vote him ALTHOUGH you made a huge post on him. You should be the next lynch right after.
This is your very first post about pretty much everyone (#281) :
Lunaticman - Thing about lynching Grac because of a previous game is NAI as far as I'm concerned. Just salt. Don't particularly like the assumption of Race being town based on the spamming but honestly I don't think it even matters. It was just a massive disruption to the game all told. This line indicates to me that they're not on the mafia team together:
So even if he has good reads we will not be able to take anything productive from it.
Even though this is perfectly true it's not something I think you would say about a fellow mafia member so early on. You wouldn't want to undermine their credibility (even if Race was doing a more than good enough job doing that himself). This isn't to say that Lunatic or Race/scott isn't mafia, but a Lunatic/(Race/scott)/x team is unlikely in my eyes based on that post alone, which is a potentially useful bit of information going forward.
I actually really like Lunatic's reply to Skynx:
It feels like you are also sceptical of Grac, I don't know if I will be able to trust him. Also I think he is playing similar to last game so far. I don't know if that is good or bad. The big difference is that he is contributing "more" atm so that should indicate he is towny?
Lunatic is town leaning a little from this in my eyes (unless we want to go tinfoil hat and assume they're both mafia and are playing a VERY aggressive game together). If they're both mafia then he doesn't do this so early because you're starting to put yourself too close to a teammate too early on before anyone is being townread and before you see where the game is going. If Lunatic is mafia and Skynx isn't then I think you be a bit more buddy-buddy about the "hey we agree on this!" thing.
Questioning Grack about that kinda weird thing on Race is good. From there on seems to be asking genuinely useful probing questions. Trying to get a game going despite everything that's happened. All good stuff.
The first thing you do is to paint a "Lunatic and RB do not have the same alignment" picture. You do not follow up on this, instead you directly start to build a town read about Lunatic. He also is the very first person for you to get into. Who are the most present people in your mind when you're scum and it's D1? Right, your teammates, because you know their alignments and you talk to them in QT. So why not start with that guy, it doesn't even have to be a concious decision.
Celestial is creating a town read on Lunatic for reasons that are very vague and feel highly constructed. This is the first indicator that those guys are in the same team.
Another thing is: you absolutely dislike Scott and don't like my townread on him. How does that go together with scott's harsh thread entry that was basically consisting of pushing me? If Scott is scum (and I am scum in your world), how does it makes sense that he is so pushy D1 on me although there is literally no need to do so?
On August 01 2016 12:45 -Celestial- wrote:Still not managed to get to bed yet and its approaching 5. I'm going to just drop off at my desk. But I wanted to reply here anyway. Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 12:11 Lunaticman wrote:
First I just want to say what an incredible post, I love it!
Also no mafia would ever write a post that is so coherent so you are the best town lean in the game for me atm.
Tbh I didnt even realize rels was in the game, my god bring out another salt shacker for me lol.
Yeah also I think I misunderstood the term bussing, I think I was thinking of like a train? When someone stacks votes on a player. I dont know the proper terminology for it.
Be back in a couple of hours from work. Thank you, but be careful. Make sure you're reading through what I've said and check that my train of thought makes sense to you before you townread me for it. I won't say its 'easy' (because that damn thing took between one to two hours to write) but its a very 'simple' thing for a scum to simply write a huge post and then hide behind it. Trust nobody until you've decided they're town from what they've actually said, not just from posting a lot of stuff that reads nicely. I'll be asking myself some very searching questions later on, believe me. (Kudos to whoever gets that reference.) Here's a useful summary of bussing: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=BussingI think you might be thinking of bandwagonning? Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 12:22 scott31337 wrote:
I only added the people who actually voted for me - There was a vote in the main thread for Race that was not in the voting thread I didn't count either. I was looking more at who pulled the trigger to do so. And BTDT looks the worst out of those four. Fair enough, I thought it might be something like that.
More interaction with Lunatic. But it's only about explaining Bussing. It's of course very good to remind a player to "carefully read into me, because I could be lying". This is a very interesting interaction because it is seemingly helping each other out while in reality, it is a process of putting Lunatic in a position as a full newbie. That way, town will of course be hesistant to lynch him, and will read his posts with a mindset of "that guy is new, he might be bad not scum". That feels exactly like a move that a more experienced player would make. Celestial is a more experienced player.
Can we expect a replacement or a modkill for Rels if he doesn't turn up at all for the entire day?
What is this question. The answer is in the rules. Why is the interest in Rels' consequences so high? Easily explained. Celestial as an experienced mafia player knows that Rels is one of the best players in this game and knows that he is town. So he tries to find out if he's getting modkilled so they don't have to waste a kill and can plan accordingly. I don't see any purpose in this question besides that one. Scum doesn't know if Rels is going to get MK'ed at day end or night end. Hm. I'm not too convinced of that theory by myself but still, I'm letting it here for you guys to discuss.
On August 02 2016 04:39 -Celestial- wrote:
Honestly...sod it.
I don't like silent's posts in the thread so far and he's nowhere to be seen. I don't want to get in trouble for not voting at all so for now (and in case I don't get time to come back on later) I'm parking my vote there. If nothing else it dials up the pressure on him to actually post something more.
##Vote: silentwarrior
On August 02 2016 04:40 -Celestial- wrote:
Please note I am very open to changing here. I just got nothing better right now and I'll be damned if I'll get in trouble for not voting when its mandatory...
"Hello guys, I cast my vote but I am fine to not vote my scum read so yeah go ahead".
This is a very weak statement. If you are convinced your vote is scum, you vote. If someone else comes with a better/stronger case that you like more, you vote someone else. But saying "Hey, I don't like him, here's my vote but I only do it because I must" is scum indicative. Any townie can wait until the very deadline to cast his vote. The vote can be used to pressure people. But this is a very open "hey, just parking it here, don't worry, no harsh feelings". Makes no sense at all, and Celestial appeared very reasonable in his long posts, so why suddenly change that behaviour? Afraid of no townie wagon forming?
On August 02 2016 04:43 -Celestial- wrote:
Also at this rate any VCA is going to be utterly useless...especially if the lynch ends up being scott. -_-
What a weird post. You repeatedly scumleaned/read scott. But you're not fine to have a scott lynch because "VCA will be useless"? Can you please show me your VCA? Because you imply that a lynch that is not scott would make up for decent VCA.
Also note how at this point, Lunatic has completely dropped under the radar for Celestial, he's not commiting to any more posts regarding scum lunatic.
On August 02 2016 06:35 -Celestial- wrote:
I'm kinda open to being convinced on mderg honestly. I don't like the silent vote as much as I did before his last post (though his silence through this game has been deafening). And if I shift I think that switches the vote off scott, who I really don't want to see lynched D1. And I don't think its likely other trains will get going at this point unless someone picks up on something really blatant.
Can anyone provide a concise, clear, convincing argument to switch right now?
And boom, joining the mislynch wagon and abandoning the silent vote. Of course, he knows it's town, so he can be "kinda open to being convinced". This part of the sentence is highly interesting. It implies that the decision to lynch mderg is not his own but a decision that someone else made him to take. Also, how do you not want scott to be lynched if you keep saying .
On August 02 2016 09:48 -Celestial- wrote:BTW: Almost definitely at least one mafia in there as far as I'm concerned.
I'll have to look through the votes and vote switches properly. But no way can I see no mafia on that wagon.
What happened to this? Huh?
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And this is just page 1-2 of your filter, dammit. I'm really pissed how this is going. Town is afk'ing or yolo'ing on people that actually do stuff, and a highly likely scum celestial is getting away with following thread sentiment and going for me.
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"Lunatic's claim came off the back of actually doing stuff". You are contradicting yourself here. You pointed out, as others did before you, that most of Lunatic's stuff was actually empty, half-hearted, and scum-indicative.
"Writing stuff" then. Stop misrepresenting my post. My point was there was more to Lunatic's filter than KSC's. Sure, Lunatic's was kinda empty and half-hearted but KSC had done JACK ALL, ALL GAME.
Celestial is a more experienced player.
This is not untrue but very deceptive. I have three games on here prior to this plus one co-host, and nothing for quite some time now. I've played it before in other settings, but never on a forum.
I don't see any purpose in this question besides that one.
You mean besides wanting to know if he'd be getting replaced or not? There wasn't one. I was interested to know.
Because you imply that a lynch that is not scott would make up for decent VCA.
You're missing the part where scott was the only wagon at that point and a very lazy one at that. If everyone is on the same wagon then firstly its probably town and secondly you literally can't draw any information from the voting. This is really basic stuff here...
And boom, joining the mislynch wagon and abandoning the silent vote.
You going to skip the part where I DIDN'T switch and me and Stutters were being scumread for trying to point out that mderg was a bad lynch? It was a one-vote-in-it scenario. It'd have been super easy for me to sit back at that point if I was scum.
Actually I checked the numbers just now and I'm a bit relieved, I thought another mislynch would end us but as long as we kill Lunatic tomorrow we have one more mislynch to play with. It doesn't, we can afford one more mislynch. Which totally takes the pressure off me again, I was seriously worried me being lynched would result in mafia win at this point because I hadn't checked the numbers.
So please go ahead and kill me D4 if you like to confirm my alignment. I won't fight it. I'll be on holiday anyway at that point and frankly I'm getting very tired of the garbage going on in this game, I'd be glad to be out of it. Feels like half the town don't really care enough to play much and scum is getting away with literal murder. My death would probably be more informative than arguing back and forth on this. I don't really see any point in engaging more with BTDT, his scott defence is terrible and he's reaching for stuff that isn't there. He's either dumb town or scum.
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Like, literally the only thing BTDT has going for him here is his obsession with Lunatic who is probably scum. I hate his posting but that IS a fact so...
But his stuff on scott is just weirding me out so much here. scott looks goddamn AWFUL. In every way. Perhaps I'm falling into an OMGUS trap.
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I will be around today. Sorry I wasnt here for deadline yesterday. Oh well.
I still have to read up.
Looks like we have a scum lynch tomorrow. THen we lynch scott.
Scott is scum.
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I mean let me think this through fresh and blab out the thinking. Trying to assume the worst of everyone.
Rels is un-ccd blue. Got to be town.
Lunatic is confirmed mafia. And dies tomorrow.
That leaves silent, BTDT, Moosy, scott, J Roc and Skynx.
There's two more mafia in that.
There had to be a mafia on mderg. Possibly one on RB/scott but without anybody on both I'm not sure how much that helps. I would think its an easy bus to make but if they KNEW he was likely getting replaced then why do that? Its not entirely outside the realm of possibility there ISN'T one on the RB wagon.
- silent had a really over-reaching case on KSC which I didn't like. Then is frustrated with RB, as was everyone. Towns scott which I've never liked all game; scott's play has been very poor. Also really focused on the idea that Stutters is mafia. Which I didn't like either. But I really liked his latest and recent stuff. He cased Lunatic pretty well. I read Lunatic's filter and didn't like it much, then went back and looked at his case and liked the few things it hit (though there was a ton more).
Conclusion: I guess town? Maybe? Probably I guess. Got to start somewhere.
- BTDT has a 2 page filter which in a normal game is godawful but in this one...frankly this game has been garbage. Agree on the RB stuff being NAI. Called a Kelsier/Stutters team early on, both now flipped town. Also towned scott which I still hate, as above. Goes strongly after Lunatic a bunch. Ums and ahs over Grack. Constantly going on the "scott is town" thing. Please just...stop. His filter is terrible. Then starts scumming Grack over that whole "tvtt" thing Skynx brought up. Is it outside the realms of possibility that whole thing was tvtt now? I kinda think so but...maybe not. Could Skynx be scum? Dunno, I've not got to his filter yet. Calls J Roc town. Dunno, I also haven't got to re-reviewing J Roc yet but I STILL hate the calling of scott town. Case building on me because I called him scum (just OMGUS maybe?) and really, REALLY trying hard to get me into association with the two people I was actively scumreading ahead of him which is horrible. I reiterate: IF AND WHEN I FLIP TOWN THAT DOES NOT MAKE SCOTT TOWN.
Conclusion: Honestly I don't know. I really really hate with every fibre of my being any townreads on scott right now; its unbelievably scummy to do so. And he's trying to link me with my top two lynch candidates which is weird as hell. Which tells me he's scum. But there is one saving grace in that he's been going after Lunatic literally all game, and Lunatic is basically confirmed mafia at this point. And that's townie. Like...really townie. But its the ONLY point on him.
- Moosy has six pages. Still don't like the whole "oh RB is town because of that" thing. No, the RB thing is absolutely NAI. He's asking people to explain stuff and making reads, even if it is kinda low-content. Then he started doing some stuff that led into the Grack/silent association thing. The whole "soul read on Rels" thing I still hate; I already pointed out that that kind of thing has literally almost lost me games before. In any case...genuine "feel" read or mafia KNOWING Rels isn't scum? I don't know. Actually explicitly states his reads align with scott and then associates them both with Rels too. Which, on the one hand, I absolutely hate because I dislike anyone with association with scott at the moment. On the other Rels is un-ccd vig. This a play to get Rels on their side maybe? Also says he agrees with scott there 100% has to be a mafia on the RB train. Which I don't hate as an argument but...if we're going to play with tinfoil hats its a really good way to get people to focus on a train where there is absolutely no mafia. At this point three of the five on that train are flipped town so...anyway.
Then the whole lead into the VCA thing with Grack/silent. Which is nonsense at this point of course, Grack flipped town. Calls his team as BTDT/Grack/Silent because of the association plus the absolutely godawful vote onto RB by BTDT. Eh...I don't absolutely hate this team at this point in the game, but Grack later flips town. Random stuff around and post-flip. The "I don't think vig should claim here" is a bit eh. I was kinda mixed on the idea after he said this as I recall but given the total lack of town information and the fact the vig shot was popped I was much more into the idea of the claim than Moosy was. Especially early on so we could actually start building something. Then makes silent town which is kinda eh. Means I think his only scumread left is BTDT. Seems always very interested in what people think of him which is very...yeah I don't like that. "Gut tells me BTDT is town but mind says scum" I really hate this line. Then calls BTDT scum again and basically says "Lunatic probably scum but he's all over the place and I don't know if scum plays like that". Trying to push on BTDT again whilst setting up to claim credit for a Lunatic lynch? "silent can't be mafia unless Grack is mafia and Grack flipped town" I'm a bit eh on but it looks a lot better in light silent's recent stuff.
Lots of posts containing nothing. Gets excited about a potential BTDT shenanie, NAI since he's been scumreading BTDT. Really happy about the way the lynch is going around EoD2 it seems; in reply to Rels calling him scum. Which is a bit...eh. Trying too hard? Stuff about the flip is kinda NAI. Either side could act disappointed with that flip. Challenges silent who is calling him scum post-flip. He REALLY wants BTDT dead here, comments on Rels' post about how when he started going onto BTDT off Kelsier then Lunatic claimed. Which is actually a very legit point by Rels. Add that to why BTDT is possibly scum from above. silent has promised a case on Moosy, obviously Moosy not happy with it. Back-and-forth with Rels over reading. NAI stuff here. Almost joking around. The stuff about silent/Grack is legit; the VCA stuff was NOT the entire case but silent is sort of playing around that it is.
This, however, is super weird: "ohhhh like when I made it N1 and everyone literally ignored it? where were you then smart one." I can't actually find a CASE on Lunatic anywhere. He asked for whether Lunatic made a post defending BTDT (which I replied to) and, in fact, was saying that he thinks Lunatic might be mafia but doesn't know for sure because mafia doesn't play like that.
Conclusion: I really liked the stuff earlier on, despite low content, because it did actually seem to be going somewhere and asking people to explain their reasoning. Some of the more recent stuff though means the wheels have come off that a bit. And he's got a massive obsession with BTDT. On the one hand Rels' comment about BTDT and the Lunatic claim is actually super legit and a strong point against BTDT. On the other hand I'm really not liking this exchange between silent and Moosy. At all. Doesn't feel TvT but given how frustrated everyone is there's a slight possibility it could be. Could team be BTDT/Lunatic/Moosy? Seems super unlikely since BTDT has been on Lunatic and Moosy has been on BTDT. Given those two points the most likely pairing would be Lunatic/Moosy+1 from this. But I'm not totally sold that Moosy is scummier than BTDT.
- scott31337: Don't need to write anything more here. See this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25916284
Conclusion: Scummy as all hell.
- J Roc opens with general silliness. Didn't like it much. Bunch of nothing. Doesn't mind the vote going on RB despite disliking policies. NAI. I felt the same way. Reply to silent is decent. Highlights BTDT's godawful post about voting RB for reasons other than policy. Hated scott's entrance. Same mindset as me. Townie point for this. Also refuses to lynch Rels which I like; the guy was 100% getting modkilled or replaced if he didn't come back. Wasted lynch. Didn't want to lynch mderg either. Wants silent dead then, presumably to try to save mderg. Still doesn't like scott "we let Scott make a few posts then fuck off while the wagon moved off of him" is just too true. Tells Grack to not direct blues, fine. Wants to look at Rels, wouldn't lynch Moosy, hates scott. This is fine at this point. Good reply to me about Rels. Still claiming scott is mafia. Then there's a bit with Grack during N1 honestly I think Grack played a bit too fast and loose there, its what got him shot. Still wanting a scott lynch. Good logic on the Rels claim. Lynching scott all day every day.
Conclusion: Never lynching J Roc next. His posts are too good. If we lynch scott and he flips town then we can maybe lynch J Roc. But I really don't live in a world right now where scott isn't scum and J Roc is.
- Skynx random garbage first few posts. Never like garbage posts. Eh. Practically nothing until Race got banned. But after that his early stuff is pretty good otherwise. Picking at that Grack thing I didn't like is good. This exchange feels pretty townie for Skynx in light of Lunatic being scum. Rest of this is pretty good so far. Wants to lynch Rels for inactivity. Eh...don't like. But its kinda understandable. Liking where most of this is coming from. Then there's that "this isn't tvtt" post relating to Grack vs Stutters/BTDT. Which I still like the mindset of, but two have flipped town. If BTDT is town then there's an outside chance Skynx is scum based on this post. Specifically picks out BTDT as the weakest link there. Tells everyone to move away from scott which, at this point, I like. But I still think scott is scum so...maybe trying to make sure a scummate doesn't get lynched? I don't think so, the reason he's saying it is because they were votes on RB before he got replaced, not necessarily because he thinks scott is town as far as I can tell. Disagree where he says scott has a nice entry. Scott's posting is terrible. This is good:
I had a post about something i didnt like about stutters then grack came in and defended him then stut sr'd grack. Meanwhile btdt sr'd Luna and when grack agreed he sr'd grack. Pretty sure there is one careless mafia here.
His PoE reads as "Rels>Stutters>btdt>Grack>silent". Two of whom are now confirmed two and one is an un-ccd blue. Eh. Its not a terrible PoE for the point in the game the post is at though. There's a decent comment on mderg but mderg turns out to be town so its not great on reflection. Towns Rels, scott, Stutters. Hate scott being in there. Scums BTDT/mderg. I can't quite get my head around this quote tree. I THINK Stutters is saying Skynx is misrepresenting mderg? Throws out a BTDT vote and buggers off, his reasoning is alright though I guess. Bunch of stuff that's eh kinda townie. I like his reply to my tinfoil hat theory. Calls out Lunatic's post for inconsistency, engaging Lunatic well. I'm very eh over people against the vig claim; but it might be personal preferences here. His reasoning isn't terrible I think; though I dislike the back and forth with Rels on it. Rels' reasoning for the claim so early is good. More scumread stuff on Lunatic which is fine. Talking about silent some more. Convinced there is mafia on mderg (which is very likely), good. More stuff back and forth with Rels. Wasting time. I think this is just arguing over claiming theory. NAI. Very likely TvT; mafia probably doesn't care so much when Rels claims. Bit more talking about silent.
Next bit is a bit weird. Decides that Lunatic all of a sudden shouldn't be lynch, despite him seemingly strongly scumreading Lunatic earlier. But then again, has been apparently quite suspicious of silent too. IDK why he's challenging Rels again here, an un-ccd blue, in such a way as to throw shade on Rels. Really doesn't want to lynch Lunatic now. Eventually just concedes saying he's tunneled. All this stuff is kinda...I don't like. Wants shenanie onto BTDT or KSC. Finishes fighting with silent again.
Conclusion: I don't think he's scum. Or he's being very clever scum. However there IS an outside chance he's scum. Most of the early to mid-game stuff is good outside of a few little tells. The stuff around EoD2 though was pretty weird. If he's scum then silent is probably town, if silent is scum he's probably town. But both can be town. Bleh.
Overall conclusion: Like...seriously. Can we just lynch scott? I'm not liking BTDT much still but the fact he's definitely been pushing Lunatic since literally D1 is something of an anchor on pushing to lynch him first now. J Roc is super townie, has been pushing scott all game. I absolutely hate everything about scott's play. I can't see any reason to NOT lynch scott after we string up Lunatic. The third mafia is quite probably between Moosy/BTDT unless Skynx is playing an absolute stormer of a game. I don't want to live in a world where J Roc is scum right now so he's totally off my radar. But I'd love to see a set of reads from him.
Thinking self-critically I MIGHT be tunneled on scott here but I don't think so. There's two mafia in those six and scott has a horrible filter. Lunatic's filter might be worth a review as well to see who he hasn't engaged or has only do so 'gently'.
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Oh I see J Roc posted as I was filtering. Hey. Any chance of a full read set at some point? 
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On August 06 2016 00:36 -Celestial- wrote:Oh I see J Roc posted as I was filtering. Hey. Any chance of a full read set at some point?
Yes will be a full re read at some point.
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Sorry I haven't been into the game much -
I glanced we lynch the vet in a tight vote - best to look there next.
Rels please leave a last will
I'll try to get some time later.
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Man I need some time off mafia. 3 games now I push someone they don't agree with me, call me bad/idiot variants and we both get mad I get even more tunnelled.
Sry for calling you a fucking fuck silent.
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Also remind me to not join a game with KSC ever again.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
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If we have a cop/vigi thats not Rels you are losing this game.
Celest, Rels, Moosy, Onegu should never be lynched.
btdt 1st then I'd go Scott.
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On August 06 2016 03:40 scott31337 wrote:
Sorry I haven't been into the game much -
I glanced we lynch the vet in a tight vote - best to look there next.
Next we're lynching Lunatic since he effectively claimed scum with his cc leading to the mislynch.
If you don't lynch Lunatic tomorrow you're pretty much claiming scum yourself.
Also Rels already posted his last will here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25917038
Summary: He wants Lunatic then BTDT. Then between Moosy and J Roc.
Personally I'd rather lynch Lunatic then you. But I'll probably have another look at Rels' argument for reading you town in the next few days. Got plenty of time because we got the rest of this night, then all of D3. Then N3 and only then do we have to actually start deciding where to go next (because we're lynching Lunatic tomorrow, full stop).
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On August 06 2016 03:58 Skynx wrote:
If we have a cop/vigi thats not Rels you are losing this game.
Celest, Rels, Moosy, Onegu should never be lynched.
btdt 1st then I'd go Scott.
I'm kinda drifting towards lynching scott first because if he flips red this game starts making a lot more sense.
Why particularly BTDT first? Just because of the general scumminess? What about him going after Lunatic seemingly all game?
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I mean I guess I'm good with going BTDT since both Rels and Skynx seem to want that lynch first and he's pretty scummy. But his consistent attack on Lunatic is screwing with my read, it doesn't fit a Lunatic/BTDT team and Lunatic is 100% scum.
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Logical reads don't seem to make sense at this point and people don't move by them anyway. So I'm just gona move by instinct. It tells me btdt has more chance flipping red compared to Luna/scott.
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On August 06 2016 05:28 Skynx wrote:
Logical reads don't seem to make sense at this point and people don't move by them anyway. So I'm just gona move by instinct. It tells me btdt has more chance flipping red compared to Luna/scott.
uhh, you do know luna cc a confirmed blue right?
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On August 06 2016 05:50 silentwarrior wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2016 05:28 Skynx wrote:
Logical reads don't seem to make sense at this point and people don't move by them anyway. So I'm just gona move by instinct. It tells me btdt has more chance flipping red compared to Luna/scott. uhh, you do know luna cc a confirmed blue right?
Which basically makes luna confirmed red
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EPT
