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On August 03 2016 20:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, do u have a delicious role breadcrumb or nah
Read above post.
So my son had his tonsils out 2 days ago and the hospital had shit internet thats the reason for me trying to get a vote down last minute and it being ninja. I am still taking care of him and I have a doctors appointment today then am going to take my pain meds when wife is home from work and can watch the kids. I will re read the game at some point though.
Still I can get behind a lunatic lynch. still prefer scott.
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On August 03 2016 20:17 J Roc wrote:
Unless there is a counter claim we arent lynching rels. And this is a really bad play if rels is scum as it would at best trade out a used blue for himself.
Rels is vig.
This. Agreed.
To be honest Skynx's reaction to the claim is really weird. It'd be a total waste to fakeclaim as mafia here and a lot of people, including myself, were looking at Rels for scum. So its really unlikely there'll be a counter claim.
Its a good early claim to prevent wasting the day faffing about over Rels.In light of all that's gone on I'm going to have to re-read everything later.
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On August 03 2016 14:08 scott31337 wrote:We got into a car accident today buying another vehicle (fucking my luck right?  We're out of the hospital now but my brain isn't playing mafia tonight - it checked out a few hours ago. I took the day off work tomorrow so I'll read over then and give my thoughts.
God almighty, hope you and everyone else there are alright.
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On August 03 2016 20:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, do u have a delicious role breadcrumb or nah
no
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On August 03 2016 21:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 20:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, do u have a delicious role breadcrumb or nah no
Yeah rels not clever enough
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On August 03 2016 21:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 20:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, do u have a delicious role breadcrumb or nah no
 you're slipping mahn.
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I honestly haven't taken any notice of Lunatic other than some rambling from early D1 so I'm going to have to re read him too.
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Hey Rels, how are you enjoying the totally suave and totally reasonable Moosy?
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On August 04 2016 00:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 21:18 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 20:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, do u have a delicious role breadcrumb or nah no you're slipping mahn.
I don't think I ever breadcrumb as blue p: all my breadcrumbs were always as scum
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On August 04 2016 00:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, how are you enjoying the totally suave and totally reasonable Moosy?
I hate it.
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Day 2 vote count
Lunaticman (2): Rels, slientwarrior
Scott31337 (1): J Roc
Not voting (7): MoosyDoosy, Skynx, beentheredonethat, lunaticman, KelsierSC, -celestial-, scott31337
Currently Lunaticman is set to be lynched.
The deadline is Thursday, Aug 04 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). You have to vote!
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Okay. Not much happened. Rels is confirmed town / un-cc'ed vig.
I like Celestial a lot although his posting volume has dropped from D1 into a more lazy D2 so far. Town.
Kelsier might very well be lurky scum. He voted, left the thread. No contribution at all. But as others pointed out already, also low-hanging mislynch fruit, so yeh, he needs to step up.
MoosyDoosy. He played so shitty in the last game we had as town, totally yolo, and while I have techincally nothing that makes me think he's scum, I still have that weird gut feeling of "he's 180 degree changed since last game".
J Roc. I think I completely disregarded this guy so far. So here we go.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 31 2016 20:31 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though. But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game
##vote Race Bannon
See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC This post. Spaming the thread doesnt help town in anyway. If anything it shuts down discussion because people dont want to deal with him. Normally I dont like policy lynches day one but here I dont mind the vote going on Bannon. Your problem is that someone posting shouldnt be voted. But when that person is doing nothing constructive and just posting nonsense it does nothing. So you reason for voting Kelsier is bad. While I dont like the fact that he said be back in a few days I had no problem with his vote and dont like your reason for voting him when he is putting pressure on someone who frankly needs pressure put on him.
I think this is a town indicative post. At this point he could easily go for RB but states very clearly why it isn't necessarily a good idea.
What is interesting is that he, contrary to me, absolutely dislikes scott's entrance:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 01 2016 20:30 J Roc wrote:
Just something real quick and I will be back later.
I really hated scotts entrance.
Race Bannons actions completely null and the fact that he came in here saying he knew RB was town from a obs point of view is really off to me.
Also the dude who wrote the huge post. You have pocketed me. Well played. Not voting you.
Ill be back later.
##Vote: Scott
He even votes him.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 02 2016 10:17 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 02 2016 10:12 J Roc wrote:On August 02 2016 10:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 02 2016 10:02 J Roc wrote:On August 02 2016 09:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:I also actually don't mind this D1 lynch at all. Good work Rels. And if I may ask old buddy, what's your read on me?  Was a bad lynch, we should have lynched Scott. Would you lynch me and Rels? Wouldn't lynch you at this point. Why would I? Rels needs to be looked at much harder because I disagreed with him on mderg but Scott is scum. scott is scum for his reasoning behind his posts? Or is there anything else? The fact that he just fucked off and let the train happen without doing anything else is really suspicious also. And keeps it up. On August 02 2016 10:28 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally. Or Scott is mafia. And up. On August 02 2016 10:32 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally. Like seriousness. Nothing race bannon did was alignment indicative, nothing. So you can't say he was low hanging fruit like he was confirmed town. He can play like that as either alignment. And up. Aaand finally: On August 03 2016 18:52 J Roc wrote:
I wont be around much today...
##Vote Scott.
I said there were scum on the mderg wagon. A vigi claimed and a vt flipped. We lynch scott 100% here today.
The interesting thing here is that we had three people coming in and being very pushy: Scott, Rels, Roc. Rels is confirmed town, and Roc is going nuts on Scott. But I feel this is town vs. town here. The whole "scott couldn't be so sure in obs that rb is town" argument is weak imho. Having "wrong" thoughts or at least "unsure" opinions can happen, it's a guessing game. Of course this is not clearing scott but as long as there won't be more coming about scott I will not join the wagon that Jroc is trying to establish.
Can't continue now for RL reasons, sorry. Will try to drop more stuff. For the time being, I'll join the Lunatic train. Good stuff going on there.
##vote LunaticMan
Still, JRoc comes on my town pile.
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Also, wait, what did I just see while voting?
On August 04 2016 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:Fyi this vote won't be counted since it was cast before day two officially began.
Is that alignment indicative? Lunatic, why did you vote Rels before day two began?
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On August 04 2016 08:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
...although his posting volume has dropped from D1 into a more lazy D2 so far.
Yeah I'm sorry about that.
Between the fact I didn't go to bed until like 5am last night, plus the fact I've been pretty under the weather today, plus the fact that its a Wednesday (and Wednesday for me means new anime episodes and new TV episodes), plus the way the game is going...just not felt like starting to filter dive again today. -_-
I'm going to come back tomorrow and try to dig through filters. Originally I liked Lunaticman so had been mentally setting him aside but since a train appears to be getting rolling on him I guess he'll be top priority.
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Yeah Lunatic dude couldn't help but post every 30 seconds in the previous game, but can't be assed to post for days here. Mafia, or he has some IRL urgencies. Let's hope it's not the latter.
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On August 04 2016 08:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Okay. Not much happened. Rels is confirmed town / un-cc'ed vig. I like Celestial a lot although his posting volume has dropped from D1 into a more lazy D2 so far. Town. Kelsier might very well be lurky scum. He voted, left the thread. No contribution at all. But as others pointed out already, also low-hanging mislynch fruit, so yeh, he needs to step up. MoosyDoosy. He played so shitty in the last game we had as town, totally yolo, and while I have techincally nothing that makes me think he's scum, I still have that weird gut feeling of "he's 180 degree changed since last game". J Roc. I think I completely disregarded this guy so far. So here we go. + Show Spoiler +On July 31 2016 20:31 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though. But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game
##vote Race Bannon
See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC This post. Spaming the thread doesnt help town in anyway. If anything it shuts down discussion because people dont want to deal with him. Normally I dont like policy lynches day one but here I dont mind the vote going on Bannon. Your problem is that someone posting shouldnt be voted. But when that person is doing nothing constructive and just posting nonsense it does nothing. So you reason for voting Kelsier is bad. While I dont like the fact that he said be back in a few days I had no problem with his vote and dont like your reason for voting him when he is putting pressure on someone who frankly needs pressure put on him. I think this is a town indicative post. At this point he could easily go for RB but states very clearly why it isn't necessarily a good idea. What is interesting is that he, contrary to me, absolutely dislikes scott's entrance: + Show Spoiler +On August 01 2016 20:30 J Roc wrote:
Just something real quick and I will be back later.
I really hated scotts entrance.
Race Bannons actions completely null and the fact that he came in here saying he knew RB was town from a obs point of view is really off to me.
Also the dude who wrote the huge post. You have pocketed me. Well played. Not voting you.
Ill be back later.
##Vote: Scott He even votes him. + Show Spoiler +On August 02 2016 10:17 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 02 2016 10:12 J Roc wrote:On August 02 2016 10:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 02 2016 10:02 J Roc wrote:On August 02 2016 09:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:I also actually don't mind this D1 lynch at all. Good work Rels. And if I may ask old buddy, what's your read on me? Was a bad lynch, we should have lynched Scott. Would you lynch me and Rels? Wouldn't lynch you at this point. Why would I? Rels needs to be looked at much harder because I disagreed with him on mderg but Scott is scum. scott is scum for his reasoning behind his posts? Or is there anything else? The fact that he just fucked off and let the train happen without doing anything else is really suspicious also. And keeps it up. On August 02 2016 10:28 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally. Or Scott is mafia. And up. On August 02 2016 10:32 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally. Like seriousness. Nothing race bannon did was alignment indicative, nothing. So you can't say he was low hanging fruit like he was confirmed town. He can play like that as either alignment. And up. Aaand finally: On August 03 2016 18:52 J Roc wrote:
I wont be around much today...
##Vote Scott.
I said there were scum on the mderg wagon. A vigi claimed and a vt flipped. We lynch scott 100% here today. The interesting thing here is that we had three people coming in and being very pushy: Scott, Rels, Roc. Rels is confirmed town, and Roc is going nuts on Scott. But I feel this is town vs. town here. The whole "scott couldn't be so sure in obs that rb is town" argument is weak imho. Having "wrong" thoughts or at least "unsure" opinions can happen, it's a guessing game. Of course this is not clearing scott but as long as there won't be more coming about scott I will not join the wagon that Jroc is trying to establish. Can't continue now for RL reasons, sorry. Will try to drop more stuff. For the time being, I'll join the Lunatic train. Good stuff going on there. ##vote LunaticManStill, JRoc comes on my town pile.
Anyone calling me low hanging fruit or reluctant to lynch me is fairly suspicous at this point
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On August 04 2016 22:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 08:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Okay. Not much happened. Rels is confirmed town / un-cc'ed vig. I like Celestial a lot although his posting volume has dropped from D1 into a more lazy D2 so far. Town. Kelsier might very well be lurky scum. He voted, left the thread. No contribution at all. But as others pointed out already, also low-hanging mislynch fruit, so yeh, he needs to step up. MoosyDoosy. He played so shitty in the last game we had as town, totally yolo, and while I have techincally nothing that makes me think he's scum, I still have that weird gut feeling of "he's 180 degree changed since last game". J Roc. I think I completely disregarded this guy so far. So here we go. + Show Spoiler +On July 31 2016 20:31 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though. But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game
##vote Race Bannon
See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC This post. Spaming the thread doesnt help town in anyway. If anything it shuts down discussion because people dont want to deal with him. Normally I dont like policy lynches day one but here I dont mind the vote going on Bannon. Your problem is that someone posting shouldnt be voted. But when that person is doing nothing constructive and just posting nonsense it does nothing. So you reason for voting Kelsier is bad. While I dont like the fact that he said be back in a few days I had no problem with his vote and dont like your reason for voting him when he is putting pressure on someone who frankly needs pressure put on him. I think this is a town indicative post. At this point he could easily go for RB but states very clearly why it isn't necessarily a good idea. What is interesting is that he, contrary to me, absolutely dislikes scott's entrance: + Show Spoiler +On August 01 2016 20:30 J Roc wrote:
Just something real quick and I will be back later.
I really hated scotts entrance.
Race Bannons actions completely null and the fact that he came in here saying he knew RB was town from a obs point of view is really off to me.
Also the dude who wrote the huge post. You have pocketed me. Well played. Not voting you.
Ill be back later.
##Vote: Scott He even votes him. + Show Spoiler +On August 02 2016 10:17 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 02 2016 10:12 J Roc wrote:On August 02 2016 10:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 02 2016 10:02 J Roc wrote:On August 02 2016 09:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:I also actually don't mind this D1 lynch at all. Good work Rels. And if I may ask old buddy, what's your read on me? Was a bad lynch, we should have lynched Scott. Would you lynch me and Rels? Wouldn't lynch you at this point. Why would I? Rels needs to be looked at much harder because I disagreed with him on mderg but Scott is scum. scott is scum for his reasoning behind his posts? Or is there anything else? The fact that he just fucked off and let the train happen without doing anything else is really suspicious also. And keeps it up. On August 02 2016 10:28 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally. Or Scott is mafia. And up. On August 02 2016 10:32 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally. Like seriousness. Nothing race bannon did was alignment indicative, nothing. So you can't say he was low hanging fruit like he was confirmed town. He can play like that as either alignment. And up. Aaand finally: On August 03 2016 18:52 J Roc wrote:
I wont be around much today...
##Vote Scott.
I said there were scum on the mderg wagon. A vigi claimed and a vt flipped. We lynch scott 100% here today. The interesting thing here is that we had three people coming in and being very pushy: Scott, Rels, Roc. Rels is confirmed town, and Roc is going nuts on Scott. But I feel this is town vs. town here. The whole "scott couldn't be so sure in obs that rb is town" argument is weak imho. Having "wrong" thoughts or at least "unsure" opinions can happen, it's a guessing game. Of course this is not clearing scott but as long as there won't be more coming about scott I will not join the wagon that Jroc is trying to establish. Can't continue now for RL reasons, sorry. Will try to drop more stuff. For the time being, I'll join the Lunatic train. Good stuff going on there. ##vote LunaticManStill, JRoc comes on my town pile. Anyone calling me low hanging fruit or reluctant to lynch me is fairly suspicous at this point
100%
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Lol I forgot KSC was in this game
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Also gut tells me btdt is town but mind says he's scum riP.
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Well...I was townleaning Lunatic. But in light of everyone seeming to like silent's case I guess I'll go stream of consciousness on his filter with a more cynical eye before I actually look over the case, try formulate some thoughts of my own:
- Two page filter. A bit thin really but I guess that's the nature of this game, there's some super-low content posters. That being said its less of a filter than Stutters or Grack and they're both DEAD so...yeah, not great.
- Mentions lynching Grac 'from what happened last game'. NAI honestly. If I was being REALLY cynical I'd say this is a super easy way to set oneself up for a soft push 'oh he was like this last game in these ways etc etc' but I don't think its that. Talks a bit about it in the next post too. I just see this as NAI salt really.
- Bunch of nothing. Then replies to my comic con post. NAI at the time but in light of the later stuff talking about how wonderful my posts are and stuff..is this a start of a pocketing attempt maybe? Very tentative but eh I got nothing to this point.
- Town's RB for the garbage he was posting. Honestly I don't particularly like this. I'm one of those firmly believing all that RB crap is NAI. Forced read maybe? I was dismissing this as something that didn't matter last time but I guess there's a chance it might.
- Next post was one I thought was a strong point towards excluding a Lunatic/RB team but I'm not so sure anymore. My basis for that was that he wouldn't undermine a fellow mafia by saying "oh just ignore his reads, they won't be productive" so early on but now that I think on it isn't that just a stupidly easy way to deal with a rogue 'crazy' mafia ally? "Oh ignore this guy because he's craaaaaazy, haha, he's probably town but he's crazy. So you can safely just let him sit there under the radar and forget about him." I dunno anymore. It could go either way.
- Complains about Race's spam. NAI. If he's town then the spam is frustrating. If he's scum and Race is town then its an easy call to make (although I'd more have expected him to say that RB is scummy for the spam than town if that were the case). If both are scum then a "come on, what the hell, man?" isn't unexpected to either kick Race into shape or to distance himself from Race.
- Next is the reply to Skynx. Originally I liked this. I felt a mafia would be more aggressive in pocketing (if Skynx is town) or wouldn't want to put themselves next to a team member so early (if Skynx is mafia). Lets go super cynical again: could be more gentle pocketing. I don't think so though.
- Next post is actually super weird on reflection. This one:
On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 00:55 Grackaroni wrote:On August 01 2016 00:50 Stutters695 wrote:On August 01 2016 00:38 Grackaroni wrote:On August 01 2016 00:25 Stutters695 wrote:On July 31 2016 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey guys, totally reasonable Moosy chipping in here. My totally logical thoughts say that Race Bannon is spamming for the sake of spamming. As a man who employs this technique myself I say it's safe to ignore every post he makes and address him on a later date since he's basically guaranteed to act like a sack of potatoes all of D1. Slight issue is that's totally unreasonable. He was completely capable of producing readable content as both alignments in previous games. This is probably an attempt to shift his meta, although it's almost inconsequential because it is incredibly anti-town. You should read Race Bannon's blog. Page 2 is where it starts to really get good. Can I get a tldr? Gonna lynch him? It is just the LONGEST stream of gibberish that I have ever seen. Celestial is right it looks like Race just got banned for 2 weeks, so a replacement should be on the way. Based on his play so far I think he was more likely to be town. I don't know how you came to that conclusion but since he is being replaced can you please elaborate on this read. Also this is a good way to get town cred now that he is getting replaced.
Lunatic posts that he thinks Race is town because of the spamming. Grack posts, after Race got banned, that he reckons Race was town. Then Lunatic jumps down Grack's throat with "I don't know how you came to that conclusion" and rather sharply points out that its an easy way to get town points now that RB is being replaced. Um...maybe the exact same way you did? Your first read on RB was town, then as soon as people challenged that you backed away a bit, and then further by criticising him but never actually going as far as calling him scum for it. Originally I gave this post a town pass with only a brief glance on the basis it was someone actually DOING something constructive and challenging someone. But the content isn't all that great in light of Grack's town flip, nor is the consistency with previous posts.
- Defending BTDT against JRoc. That was a godawful post by BTDT honestly and still is. Lunatic tries to give an excuse by saying that BTDT is trying to say there's no way to trust RB's reads but that somewhat misses the point of what BTDT was saying. Then calls is moot, brushing all that aside. Policy lynch comment is kinda NAI; could be a genuine town thought at just not liking policy lynches, could be a scum looking for an easy way to call others scum on the basis of "you don't have a real reason for your vote!"
- Question to Moosy was genuinely good. I was interested in why myself (don't think I played with Moosy in any of my previous games, though I'd have to check, and I tend not to go digging for meta that I don't have personal experience of). Mentioning cutting back on posting isn't great tbh, easy lurk excuse but this whole game been full of lurkers.
- Lunatic challenging Kelsier is kinda towny here. However the way he goes about it is a bit weird too. Rather than attacking the not wanting to play because of RB (which, whilst understandable, is very unhelpful), instead he's attacking the vote on RB itself. Calling the vote on RB a "mistake". Which we don't know. RB/scott is not confirmed town. Then makes a push on Kelsier saying he'd be okay voting Kelsier. That's okay I guess, a bit premature maybe but its D1 with an inactive thread and pushing an inactive wagon isn't the worst thing in the world if you got nothing else.
- More pocketing me maybe? Or just genuinely liking the post? Stated last time I didn't like the fawning really. This post is a whole load of nothing anyway. Saying nothing new.
- This back and forth with Skynx is getting weird too. He's really focusing on Grack quite a bit here but placing himself very middle-ground on it. "Probably town but he's fooled me once before". So...who exactly ARE you red reading at this point? I'm clearly green to Lunatic here. Grack was red now neutral. RB was red now neutral. Where are the reds? Is this a game of 'everyone is town and null, isn't that nice?'
- Next one again praising me but gently pushing off criticism of RB/scott. Again. Hmm.
- Wouldn't mind lynching Rels. NAI, though for a kinda towny reason (he says flying under the radar got Rels off five lynches in a row last game). Rels was totally inactive at that point and was going to get replaced or modkilled if he kept going that way. Lynching a totally inactive player is a super easy play to make as either alignment, at least its super easy for mafia if that player is town. And Rels is unclaimed vig at this point.
- Another pretty weird post:
On August 02 2016 04:05 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 03:12 beentheredonethat wrote:On August 01 2016 12:11 Lunaticman wrote:On August 01 2016 11:44 -Celestial- wrote:
That'll have to do for tonight I'm afraid. Its nearly four in the morning. My brain was already starting to feel numb about half way through writing that. First I just want to say what an incredible post, I love it! Also no mafia would ever write a post that is so coherent so you are the best town lean in the game for me atm. Tbh I didnt even realize rels was in the game, my god bring out another salt shacker for me lol. Yeah also I think I misunderstood the term bussing, I think I was thinking of like a train? When someone stacks votes on a player. I dont know the proper terminology for it. Be back in a couple of hours from work. This is a post that is absolutely empty and has no content at all. I can see why you think that but at the time of the posting the game was almost dead. Also it contained effort which I liked.
What I THINK is going on here is BTDT is calling out Lunatic's post for being utterly contentless, which I mentioned above. Lunatic replies as if its about my post. Kinda deceptive; dunno if a genuine mistake or an attempt to fool people into overlooking his contentless post. Do not like.
- Going pretty hard on Rels at this point. Rels nowhere to be seen. Super easy push to make given Rels is totally inactive. That said I actually agree that the principle of "save him he'll help later" is an utter garbage argument to make. A similar argument got made for prplhz in a game I previously played on the basis of people 'mind melding' with his reads; he did jack all and it took a huge push to get him lynched and he was mafia.
- Grack actually calls out Lunatic here for Lunatic's town read on RB. That totally slipped my mind for a while there. While I don't hate Lunatic's argument (no mafia would do that because policy lynch) I don't really agree with it either given how RB was acting and that he got banned. It doesn't make scott town, no matter how many time Lunatic says it.
- There's an argument over posting useful stuff between Grack and Lunatic. Which Lunatic deflects a bit by saying that if we're going after people for being useless we should lynch Rels. But...that's not exactly what Grack said. Hmmm...
- Votes Rels. NAI. The above stuff is a bit indicative maybe but the vote itself is not. Rels is GONE at this point.
- Getting super defensive against what is actually not a bad argument and attacking the most frivolous part of it. No. Bad. Really don't like.
- Big read post. Scums Grack (so was I, okay fine), Rels (un-ccd vig) and Kelsier (kinda scummy but totally inactive, easy read). Outright towns himself (lol) and mderg (mderg wagon was rolling at this point...setting himself up to claim town points and push Rels D2? Or genuinely feeling that?). Townleans me (easy read to make), scott (who he's been soft reading all game) and Skynx. Explicitly teams Grack and Rels but also explicitly says I don't think both are mafia, which means if one flips he can still push the other. Brings up Moosy's warning, eh, NAI. Complains about Kelsier. Makes a point to mention BTDT as being better than Kelsier, but doesn't comment on much else, which I find interesting.
- Next explaining his reads a bit. Pocketing me. Keeping shade on Moosy and Stutters (I honestly don't know how ANYONE could have been doing anything other than hard towning Stutters at this point) but 'more towny that not' nulls. Still soft defending scott.
- Finally coming around to the idea of reading scott another way. But only under the sustained stuff from Skynx and JRoc. I really don't like how hard it is to make him realise its a poor way to read scott for so long, he's clinging to it. Then again, clinging to a read isn't necessarily scum motivated.
- Wants to lynch Rels. "There's a mafia between Rels and Grac". More soft defending of scott/RB. Really desperate to push the idea that since they did the mislynch one HAS to be mafia. But since the lynch was town I don't really agree. Its easier for a mafia to jump on a bit later so they're not as exposed to criticism. Mafia leading a train is dangerous; not outside the realm of possibility especially with a player like Rels, but definitely more risky than the gamestate was worth. With everything so fluid there was no reason for Rels to go so hard on it if he's mafia; more gentle guiding would still likely have resulted in a strong wagon. Which, until his claim, was my main (and only real) argument against lynching Rels.
- Final post about the Rels lynch and how it must make him mafia because of how he went about it. Which I disagree with as above.
Conclusions: My previous reads were largely based on how I generally 'felt' about where Lunatic was coming from and the tone of his posts, which was a rather haphazard town. I gave a probably inordinate amount of credit merely for trying to get the game going. But now I'm taking a critical eye to what he's actually DONE...its not great honestly.
On reflection I think I might be okay putting my vote on Lunatic here. I mean, we were clearly going in the wrong direction given the Grack flip so going a completely different way might help.
Also tentatively...Lunatic/scott team possible? Lunatic has been doing an awful lot of soft defending on scott and, earlier, on RB. But also challenged Grack for townreading RB. With maybe a side-order on BTDT?
I kinda want to take another look at BTDT and scott. Also Skynx. I've done some re-reading of filters but I'd hoped to do streams of consciousness on all of them but now I'm not entirely sure how much time I'll have this evening. I just found out I'm going out at 6pm (in twenty minutes) unfortunately which will make casing difficult...
Okay let me read silent's case. I really don't think I'll have time to comment unfortunately but if I like it I'll probably take a gamble and just vote Lunatic. I should be back before deadline anyway to change if needed.
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