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On August 03 2016 03:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 03:17 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 03:12 Rels wrote:
So your argument is: Skynx makes a mafia list of dudes that voted for silent. Rels says it's a good list. Since there is nothing fishy about how the votes went down yesterday, Rels is scum fishing for some easy targets. My argument is that day one you seemed to be reading the game in a similar way that I was. Day 2 you moved with the thread sentiment for what looks like reasons that I don't believe you would actually read as scum indicative. (being on the mderg lynch) Why ? Who were you scumreading between the mderg lynch and the scumread on me ? Who would you expect me to scumread and for what reasons ?
For reasons I have already pointed out!
between the mderg and you I had thought there may be a Lunatic/KSC team because this post seemed different to me than the rest of Lunatic's filter.
On August 01 2016 05:38 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 05:09 KelsierSC wrote:
game starting again cool. Hi i'm town So are you having regrets about something? Your first posts really didn't put you in a good position becauset they were a super lame buss attempt on a "policy lynch" (however I don't think many would disagree on it), I would consider this was more of a towny mistake than anything but if I was town I wouldn't go back on what I said like that without an explination something like: "hey I messed that one up and thought he was super annoying". No intead you were like "Hi I'm town". It's like your just trying to hide what you previously stated. I would definatly not have a problem lynching you for your posting behaviour tbh.
I had a flash of an idea that perhaps Luna was scum with Kelsier because Luna seems quite convinced that Kelsier has slipped! (And also I was already suspicious of Luna)
I would expect you to maintain some of your current reads with some adjustments rather than a complete 360 to scum read everybody on the Mderg lynch.
On December 08 2014 06:27 Alakaslam wrote:
You see not with the eyes of chupazi
his words must all be original
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On August 03 2016 03:25 Rels wrote:
You had no scumreads all night apart from the one on me. You had two townreads that we share. So I don'tr understand why this is a reason to scumread me:
"My argument is that day one you seemed to be reading the game in a similar way that I was. Day 2 you moved with the thread sentiment for what looks like reasons that I don't believe you would actually read as scum indicative. (being on the mderg lynch)"
ESPECIALLY since we mislynched, so it's normal reads evolve, and ESPECIALLY since you've said your reads were also going to change entirely.
My reads would change but not like this. The reads you liked were opportunistic reads that already seemed down and out for the count. I don't think you came by them from your own analysis because you would have noticed that there was no evidence of anyone switching on to Mderg to save a scum buddy. On the contrary, all of the votes were almost destined to occur.
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I will not yield, Rels. Oh no, no, no! A fight through the day there shall be!
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On August 03 2016 03:41 Grackaroni wrote:
I will not yield, Rels. Oh no, no, no! A fight through the day there shall be!
ok
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Super hungover, but I'm awake. What's up friends
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I'm not really around just not (doing some writing, and going for dinner in a minute) but I still intend to post something before EoN as a legacy for if I get shot.
Also there's no way this Rels/Grack thing going on is TvT. No way.
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EBWOP: "I'm not really around (just doing..."
I dunno how that got so mangled there.
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Rels, what do you make of my case on Grack? Weird that you don't even mention that.
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On August 03 2016 04:01 Stutters695 wrote:
Rels, what do you make of my case on Grack? Weird that you don't even mention that.
It seemed OK.
I'm going out so I won't have time to give my thoughts before deadline. But TBF I have nothing incredible to say.
Basically if I die, Skynx' list is exactly where I am at.
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On August 02 2016 03:43 Skynx wrote:
I mean btdt, you are by far the weakest link in the trio. You agree with the points made by Grack on Lunatic so you think he's thinking similarly to you since you know you're town.
But then you agree with stutters very easily 5 mins later saying you dont like Grack's filter. You are not thinking like a town here really.
On August 02 2016 03:45 Skynx wrote:
Welp i take that back, seems like Grack agrees with your points.
On August 02 2016 05:17 Skynx wrote:
I had a post about something i didnt like about stutters then grack came in and defended him then stut sr'd grack. Meanwhile btdt sr'd Luna and when grack agreed he sr'd grack. Pretty sure there is one careless mafia here.
Silentwarrior is also a shout. Maaaaaaybe Moosy. Dont really have an opinion on jroc and mderg.
Luna is tone based townread, also due to similarities to last game.
Celestial definitely gets a pass altho i didnt agree with all of his points.
KSC is null.
Rels how you doing bro pls step up so i dont lynch you <3
These posts from Skynx are also absolute gold. Team is btdt/Grack/silent. I'm calling it right now.
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Maybe I should play sane more often.
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Left this far, far too late to do the proper full analysis thing of absolutely everyone that I was going to do. No way I can filter dive EVERYONE and finish it in an hour before the deadline in case I die tonight. So I guess I'm doing it quick and dirty.
See you close to the night deadline!
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Ok, so I wanted to post my reads in case i get killed tonight. This will be mostly the people I left out from my previous big post.
Rels: At the start I got a town feeling from him. His push on mderg was imo credible and I don't think he should be faulted that it resulted in mislynch. Mderg looked scum there. But then he says he likes a list where he is listed as mafia. Not sure if he just missed it or simply liked the list without even reading it, but it is kind of strange. Especially since he is listed as the first mafia. For now he is null to me, and I think I need more to make a better assesment.
Moosy: His first page in filter amounts to basically nothing. No reads or lynch targets or anything on a whole page. His 3rd post he has basically not much content of his own. Only thing of worth is saying he agrees with scott. He then looks at votepattern, sees me and grack have voted for same person, and without looking into it much just says "yep, these 2 are mafia". He didn't even look at timing or reasoning of those votes at all. He then basically only posts fluff and asks others what they think. Actually, that's 90% of all his posts. Strange to think someone with 3 pages in filter has so little actual content. He is scum lean for me.
J Roc: His voting last night seem to just be bad internet. He said before that he didn't want to lynch mderg, so that explains his last minute switch. He also explained his vote to scott, and even if I disagree with his reasoning it there was nothing scummy about it. He is townlean for me right now.
Skynx: He starts out with calling out race and btdt for his post on lynching race. He then has a really good response to celestials intro post and dosent just fawn all over him (like lunatic) but disagrees on some points. He then tries to get people to leave scotts vote, which is good since I agree with it, but also because he recognized that some of those votes where from RB time here. But then he flips a little on stutters, saying first he is scum, then one of 3 townies, then one of 4 scum, which seemed very odd to me. He also says my defense was lackluster in a post I didn't make, and with no other thoughts on the matter. He also goes back on stutters again and calls him town again. He also posted that list which had almost no thought in it, only says people are scum because they voted for mderg, which is strange logic. He does however see the stutters/celestial buddying up, which speaks to his credit. All in all he is null for me.
Grack: He was the first to point out that even though people might disagree with my assesment on KSC, that dosen´t necesarily mean im mafia. He also points out I put myself in spotlight and made the first serious post. He did flip around on votes between stutter, lunatic and mderg, which was kind of strange to me. But he did post suspicons on both lunatic and stutters beforehand. I did like his defense against stutters case as well. Considering everything, he is townlean for me.
Also gonna posta a seperate post for lunatic.
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I believe Lunatic is Mafia. Here is why:
Lunatic started of the game with saying he think Race was town for his excesive posting. But when Grack said the same thing he says "I don't know how you came to that conclusion" and says it's an easy way to get town points. But Lunatic literally did the same thing 4 posts before.:
On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 00:55 Grackaroni wrote:On August 01 2016 00:50 Stutters695 wrote:On August 01 2016 00:38 Grackaroni wrote:On August 01 2016 00:25 Stutters695 wrote:On July 31 2016 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey guys, totally reasonable Moosy chipping in here. My totally logical thoughts say that Race Bannon is spamming for the sake of spamming. As a man who employs this technique myself I say it's safe to ignore every post he makes and address him on a later date since he's basically guaranteed to act like a sack of potatoes all of D1. Slight issue is that's totally unreasonable. He was completely capable of producing readable content as both alignments in previous games. This is probably an attempt to shift his meta, although it's almost inconsequential because it is incredibly anti-town. You should read Race Bannon's blog. Page 2 is where it starts to really get good. Can I get a tldr? Gonna lynch him? It is just the LONGEST stream of gibberish that I have ever seen. Celestial is right it looks like Race just got banned for 2 weeks, so a replacement should be on the way. Based on his play so far I think he was more likely to be town. I don't know how you came to that conclusion but since he is being replaced can you please elaborate on this read. Also this is a good way to get town cred now that he is getting replaced.
He also says he dosen't want to post a lot because apparently in another game that ticked people off. That is a huge red flag for me. I don't think anyone would not want someone to post a lot. He says he will cutdown posting for that reason.
On August 01 2016 05:32 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 05:17 Lunaticman wrote:On August 01 2016 04:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 00:37 Skynx wrote:On August 01 2016 00:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Eh, not too fond of policy lynches D1 Hahahahaha Hey man I would be dead 85% of the time if people went for policy lynches D1. Care to elaborate why? Ask the other ppl in this game lol. Normally I'm batshit insane but I'm being the super reasonable Moosy right now. Well I don't really know what to make of that tbh, but it sounds super fishy? I think I had to change a few things about my playstyle here also. I ticked of a lot of the other townies last game because of my excessive posting. So guess I will try to cutback a bit on the posting but I just hope we get some discussions going.
At that point he had done no analyzing or contributed in the slightest. He then attacks KSC in what can only be desribed as an easy way to get town points. He states that KSC went back on his word, even though he did no such thing and puts words in his mouth. He basically tries to make a case out of nothing.
On August 01 2016 05:38 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 05:09 KelsierSC wrote:
game starting again cool. Hi i'm town So are you having regrets about something? Your first posts really didn't put you in a good position becauset they were a super lame buss attempt on a "policy lynch" (however I don't think many would disagree on it), I would consider this was more of a towny mistake than anything but if I was town I wouldn't go back on what I said like that without an explination something like: "hey I messed that one up and thought he was super annoying". No intead you were like "Hi I'm town". It's like your just trying to hide what you previously stated. I would definatly not have a problem lynching you for your posting behaviour tbh.
When celestial comes in with his big post he becomes his no:1 fanboy and basically tries his best at buddying up with him. The following post is nothing but licking celestials boot.
On August 01 2016 12:11 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 11:44 -Celestial- wrote:
That'll have to do for tonight I'm afraid. Its nearly four in the morning. My brain was already starting to feel numb about half way through writing that. First I just want to say what an incredible post, I love it! Also no mafia would ever write a post that is so coherent so you are the best town lean in the game for me atm. Tbh I didnt even realize rels was in the game, my god bring out another salt shacker for me lol. Yeah also I think I misunderstood the term bussing, I think I was thinking of like a train? When someone stacks votes on a player. I dont know the proper terminology for it. Be back in a couple of hours from work.
Also, he says he cant trust Grac here:
On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 01:52 Skynx wrote:On August 01 2016 01:34 Grackaroni wrote:Ok, I'll be back on tonight. I'd like to see some opinions on this post: On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though. But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game
##vote Race Bannon
See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC I don't like this actually. Feels like he's just trying to find reason to sr someone. I mean you don't force some1 into contribute and half the thread was afk anyways. You can ask his opinions befroe he goes away try to spark some activity but voting because he doesnt contribute cuz cba is weak. It feels like you are also sceptical of Grac, I don't know if I will be able to trust him. Also I think he is playing similar to last game so far. I don't know if that is good or bad. The big difference is that he is contributing "more" atm so that should indicate he is towny?
But just a few posts after he calls him town after his skepticism isn't shared by skynx.
He then goes back on his word twice on grack in one post. He says he thinks he is probably town but will "wait and see". Basically not wanting to take a stance at all and keeping his options open, very scumlike.
On August 01 2016 18:40 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 14:51 Skynx wrote:On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote:On August 01 2016 01:52 Skynx wrote:On August 01 2016 01:34 Grackaroni wrote:Ok, I'll be back on tonight. I'd like to see some opinions on this post: On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though. But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game
##vote Race Bannon
See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC I don't like this actually. Feels like he's just trying to find reason to sr someone. I mean you don't force some1 into contribute and half the thread was afk anyways. You can ask his opinions befroe he goes away try to spark some activity but voting because he doesnt contribute cuz cba is weak. It feels like you are also sceptical of Grac, I don't know if I will be able to trust him. Also I think he is playing similar to last game so far. I don't know if that is good or bad. The big difference is that he is contributing "more" atm so that should indicate he is towny? He asked for people's opinions, I gave one, how's that being sceptical of anyone? Also previous games shouldn't have an effect on how you approach people if they are not massive trolls. If you feel like you have such a good feel in his playstyle after 1 game and can meta read him based off of that 24h into a new game please inform us. That's what I did I must say I think he played brilliantly last game so of course I put him under the spotlight. I think he is probably town since it feels like he's intention is to solve the game atm. But he already fooled me once so we will have to wait and see I suppose.
He then puts his vote on Rels, who was still inactive at that point. He was probably the easiest vote seeing as he was inactive. No one would even think twice about it, not even rels.
After that he goes on to say that rels should accept resposibility for mislynching mderg, which makes no sense. Mderg was honestly acting scummy, and having mislynched someone obv don't make you mafia.
Also, now that some of the thread have moved against Grac, he flips again from previous position and calls grac scummy.
To me all this points that Lunatic is Mafia.
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Legacy post in case I get shot. Likely to be some huge stream of consciousness stuff in here:
Stutters - Town. Unless he's done an absolutely incredible job in pocketing me he's town. He pointed out some stuff I liked early on which is why I was townleaning him in my D1 big set of reads and hasn't done anything to undermine that. Logic and progression in-thread seems to be coming from a town mentality. The stuff around deadline absolutely reinforces my belief that he's town. No mafia plays fast and loose like that around deadline when the wagon is already on a town player. None. No way, no chance.
MoosyDoosy - Probably town. I liked his content early on but there was something about his tone I didn't like. Post-flip he's been fantastic as far as I'm concerned. Seeming to come from a really town mentality. Kinda relies on what Grac flips though, if Grac flips something other than red I'd be dropping him back down to neutral.
Skynx - Kinda liked some of his earlier stuff. His reply to my big read post seemed reasonable enough. Calling for a lynch on Rels as well which is kinda bad (since Rels was looking at being replaced/modkilled at the time) but the reasoning is understandable (didn't like any other target). Calling out the votes being still on scott is okay. Calling out Grack vs btdt/stutters as not being a townfight is really good imo. Reasoning for vote seems alright. Reply to tinfoil idea is fine. His latest set of reads seem fine too and I'd be reasonably comfortable lynching into his scum reads right now.
Lunaticman - Stuff early on seemed pretty town-based. He was doing the right things and didn't do anything that raised any series red flags. I didn't like the fawning over me too much to be honest. Felt like he was trying to buddy up and pocket me but eh. I feel like the push to lynch Rels whilst he was inactive was a total waste but based on the comment about how Rels dodged five town lynches by being inactive in a previous game its forgivable; and I don't think someone wanting to look to lynch inactive mafia is unreasonable given how horribly inactive this game was for a long time. I wasn't entirely on board with his feelings about RB and scott but I do understand where his opinion is coming from so that's alright. Voting Rels is NAI at that point. Post-flip list is alright (though I'm really never a fan of people including themselves in lists of town aligned people; anyone can do it and it comes across to me as a blatant attempt at a psychological manipulation tactic of "doesn't my name look good next to these townies?") but nothing special. I'm still not liking his feeling on Scott though. The stuff with Grac and Rels is alright; I don't think there absolutely HAS to be mafia between Rels/Grac but there almost certainly is. I disagree with his latest point on Rels, in fact I think the way Rels went about it (i.e. completely full-on) is one of the few saving graces for Rels.
Townlean.
J Roc - Seemed to be going in the right direction of trying to solve the game as of my first list. Not much has changed since then. Probably my only concern is that he's pretty low content.
Townlean for now.
scott31337 - Dead null. His posts are okay but nothing special. The involvement in the mderg lynch was really nasty, as was agreeing with Grack about that 'squirming' thing because it was all based on horrible reasoning. Hasn't really posted much post-flip either. Not really putting an awful lot of pressure on anything now. Dunno, don't really like but I got way more scumfeel on other people right now.
beentheredonethat - Didn't like him last time. Since then he seems to have been coming from a bit more of a townie mindset (though I'm not convinced he's actually on the right path) and didn't even try to defend his reasoning that people were calling out as bad which comes across as kinda townie (mafia is more concerned about looking bad). I somewhat lean towards some of the recent sentiment that he's just low hanging fruit as far as a lynch is concerned; I don't think he's the best chance of hitting mafia if I had to lynch someone right this second but he's a very very dirty null.
KelsierSC - Done practically jack all. Said he wasn't going to deal with RB which is fine but has done practically nothing since the substitution either. Very dirty inactive tbh. Scum lean.
Rels - Really dirty after that mislynch. I called him out to convince me on mderg and he never really did, just pointed at the previous arguments which weren't great and, as now proven with the flip, were dead wrong. Busy fighting with Grack recently in an argument that I'm pretty sure isn't TvT; though whether it's an attempt to double-bus after that early lynch or a Scum vs Town fight I don't know. Sheeping Skynx's list is interesting but doesn't really help much. Only thing keeping me from a heavier red read than this is that I don't know if mafia goes ham like that on getting someone lynched D1 when the situation was already super fluid and a gentler approach would have had the same result. Because its left him very exposed. On the other hand he knows this and might figure he can get away with it in a newbie game with some less experienced players and just bank on name value. On the other hand...WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM
Scum lean.
silentwarrior - One-page filter. Huge tunnel on KSC right from the beginning for reasons that I felt were reaching. Hasn't really improved much. Now wants Stutters' head for reasons I don't much like either, again it felt like reaching incredibly far for a reason to want to lynch someone. Weak case that was easily explained. Flips to mderg to guarantee the lynch which is NAI since he was the other train. The voting pattern thing with Grack is weird as hell honestly. I'm not sure if it's TOO obvious or just a huge mafia mistake. Last post just looks like an OMGUS on Moosy tbh. And I don't like the way he brought up the thing about me and Stutters "buddying up" considering that the previous thing about us "buddying up" was based on the defence of mderg who flipped goddamn town. Really reaching for excuses to read scum into people that I have strong town indications on. Do. Not. Like. Lynch him.
Grackaroni - All the stuff lately has been pretty poor. I've had scumfeel on him all game. REALLY didn't like the whole "squirming" thing around the deadline. I like the take Stutters had on him a couple pages ago which is a decent summary of all the problems with him so far. Trying to throw confusion onto actual factual votes made was just nonsense, you can question the conclusions drawn, but not the actual votes made. Out of time to make a bigger case but most of what Stutters said last night in that big post is pretty reasonable.
Lynch? Right now I'd be happy with a lynch between silent and Grack. I'd say Grack for preference simply because firstly I think he'd be a more informative lynch and secondly because I think he's the more dangerous of the two. I'd take a side-option on Rels; he's an incredibly dangerous potential mafia but I'm not quite as sure about him right now as I am the other two.
People I want to see more from:
J Roc - You said you'd post post-flip thoughts "when you got home". You haven't. Please post some.
Kelsier - Post something. Anything.
scott - You're looking a little feeble. I'd like to see some extra aggression since I'm sure you can.
Okay done. Just in time before the deadline.
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...is this a never-ending night or something?
Are we supposed to have stopped talking now? I thought deadline was like an hour twenty ago. There hasn't even been a message to tell everyone to stop talking.
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On August 03 2016 09:19 -Celestial- wrote:
...is this a never-ending night or something?
Are we supposed to have stopped talking now? I thought deadline was like an hour twenty ago. There hasn't even been a message to tell everyone to stop talking.
Shapelog has probably run into some difficulties. I think we should probably avoid talking about game related things until the night post. The night is dark and full of terrors.
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Hmm I'll put a night post together. Give me a couple minutes. No talking until then. Thanks.
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kitaman27
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Grackaroni the Vanilla Townie has died.
Stutters695 the Vanilla Townie has died.
Apologies for the delay!
The deadline is Thursday, Aug 04 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). You have to vote!
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