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silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 03 2016 11:05 GMT
#736
On August 03 2016 19:47 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 07:55 silentwarrior wrote:
I believe Lunatic is Mafia. Here is why:

Lunatic started of the game with saying he think Race was town for his excesive posting. But when Grack said the same thing he says "I don't know how you came to that conclusion" and says it's an easy way to get town points. But Lunatic literally did the same thing 4 posts before.:
On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 01 2016 00:55 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 01 2016 00:50 Stutters695 wrote:
On August 01 2016 00:38 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 01 2016 00:25 Stutters695 wrote:
On July 31 2016 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey guys, totally reasonable Moosy chipping in here. My totally logical thoughts say that Race Bannon is spamming for the sake of spamming. As a man who employs this technique myself I say it's safe to ignore every post he makes and address him on a later date since he's basically guaranteed to act like a sack of potatoes all of D1.


Slight issue is that's totally unreasonable. He was completely capable of producing readable content as both alignments in previous games. This is probably an attempt to shift his meta, although it's almost inconsequential because it is incredibly anti-town.

You should read Race Bannon's blog. Page 2 is where it starts to really get good.

Can I get a tldr?

Gonna lynch him?

It is just the LONGEST stream of gibberish that I have ever seen. Celestial is right it looks like Race just got banned for 2 weeks, so a replacement should be on the way.

Based on his play so far I think he was more likely to be town.


I don't know how you came to that conclusion but since he is being replaced can you please elaborate on this read. Also this is a good way to get town cred now that he is getting replaced.










He also says he dosen't want to post a lot because apparently in another game that ticked people off. That is a huge red flag for me. I don't think anyone would not want someone to post a lot. He says he will cutdown posting for that reason.
On August 01 2016 05:32 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 01 2016 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 01 2016 05:17 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 01 2016 04:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 01 2016 00:37 Skynx wrote:
On August 01 2016 00:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Eh, not too fond of policy lynches D1

Hahahahaha

Hey man I would be dead 85% of the time if people went for policy lynches D1.


Care to elaborate why?


Ask the other ppl in this game lol. Normally I'm batshit insane but I'm being the super reasonable Moosy right now.


Well I don't really know what to make of that tbh, but it sounds super fishy? I think I had to change a few things about my playstyle here also. I ticked of a lot of the other townies last game because of my excessive posting.

So guess I will try to cutback a bit on the posting but I just hope we get some discussions going.






At that point he had done no analyzing or contributed in the slightest. He then attacks KSC in what can only be desribed as an easy way to get town points. He states that KSC went back on his word, even though he did no such thing and puts words in his mouth. He basically tries to make a case out of nothing.

On August 01 2016 05:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 01 2016 05:09 KelsierSC wrote:
game starting again cool. Hi i'm town


So are you having regrets about something? Your first posts really didn't put you in a good position becauset they were a super lame buss attempt on a "policy lynch" (however I don't think many would disagree on it), I would consider this was more of a towny mistake than anything but if I was town I wouldn't go back on what I said like that without an explination something like:

"hey I messed that one up and thought he was super annoying". No intead you were like "Hi I'm town".

It's like your just trying to hide what you previously stated. I would definatly not have a problem lynching you for your posting behaviour tbh.




When celestial comes in with his big post he becomes his no:1 fanboy and basically tries his best at buddying up with him. The following post is nothing but licking celestials boot.

On August 01 2016 12:11 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 01 2016 11:44 -Celestial- wrote:
That'll have to do for tonight I'm afraid. Its nearly four in the morning. My brain was already starting to feel numb about half way through writing that.


First I just want to say what an incredible post, I love it!

Also no mafia would ever write a post that is so coherent so you are the best town lean in the game for me atm.

Tbh I didnt even realize rels was in the game, my god bring out another salt shacker for me lol.

Yeah also I think I misunderstood the term bussing, I think I was thinking of like a train? When someone stacks votes on a player. I dont know the proper terminology for it.

Be back in a couple of hours from work.


Also, he says he cant trust Grac here:

On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 01 2016 01:52 Skynx wrote:
On August 01 2016 01:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok, I'll be back on tonight. I'd like to see some opinions on this post:
On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:
Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though.

But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC

On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted.


So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us.

On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game

##vote Race Bannon

See you all in a few days


Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post.
I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do.
##vote Kelsier SC


I don't like this actually. Feels like he's just trying to find reason to sr someone.
I mean you don't force some1 into contribute and half the thread was afk anyways. You can ask his opinions befroe he goes away try to spark some activity but voting because he doesnt contribute cuz cba is weak.


It feels like you are also sceptical of Grac, I don't know if I will be able to trust him. Also I think he is playing similar to last game so far. I don't know if that is good or bad. The big difference is that he is contributing "more" atm so that should indicate he is towny?


But just a few posts after he calls him town after his skepticism isn't shared by skynx.

He then goes back on his word twice on grack in one post. He says he thinks he is probably town but will "wait and see". Basically not wanting to take a stance at all and keeping his options open, very scumlike.

On August 01 2016 18:40 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 01 2016 14:51 Skynx wrote:
On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 01 2016 01:52 Skynx wrote:
On August 01 2016 01:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok, I'll be back on tonight. I'd like to see some opinions on this post:
On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:
Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though.

But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC

On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted.


So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us.

On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game

##vote Race Bannon

See you all in a few days


Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post.
I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do.
##vote Kelsier SC


I don't like this actually. Feels like he's just trying to find reason to sr someone.
I mean you don't force some1 into contribute and half the thread was afk anyways. You can ask his opinions befroe he goes away try to spark some activity but voting because he doesnt contribute cuz cba is weak.


It feels like you are also sceptical of Grac, I don't know if I will be able to trust him. Also I think he is playing similar to last game so far. I don't know if that is good or bad. The big difference is that he is contributing "more" atm so that should indicate he is towny?

He asked for people's opinions, I gave one, how's that being sceptical of anyone? Also previous games shouldn't have an effect on how you approach people if they are not massive trolls. If you feel like you have such a good feel in his playstyle after 1 game and can meta read him based off of that 24h into a new game please inform us.


That's what I did I must say I think he played brilliantly last game so of course I put him under the spotlight. I think he is probably town since it feels like he's intention is to solve the game atm. But he already fooled me once so we will have to wait and see I suppose.


He then puts his vote on Rels, who was still inactive at that point. He was probably the easiest vote seeing as he was inactive. No one would even think twice about it, not even rels.

After that he goes on to say that rels should accept resposibility for mislynching mderg, which makes no sense. Mderg was honestly acting scummy, and having mislynched someone obv don't make you mafia.

Also, now that some of the thread have moved against Grac, he flips again from previous position and calls grac scummy.

To me all this points that Lunatic is Mafia.

This is a pretty good case.
##Vote Lunatic

It's Lunaticman btw, not sure if they count it if it's misspelled.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 03 2016 11:07 GMT
#737
On August 03 2016 20:00 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On August 03 2016 17:13 Skynx wrote:
Nice shit, after like 4 people saying how vigclaim is not the play here

I've been thinking about it and I think this is a really scummy reaction. In Skynx' mind, before the claim, I was the most likely scum in the game. The lynch today was basically me or silent, according to his list during the night. So me claiming is a fucking GOOD thing for him, as it makes him re evaluate and should push him in the right path instead of wasting time scumreading me.
But Skynx' reaction is the opposite. He is not happy with my claim because "this is not what we decided to do". This makes little sense when he should be happy that a claim showed him at least one of his read was wrong. I would agree that Celestial claiming would be a fucking waste for him: but me, a strong scumread, claiming should be nice for him.

I've been thinking about it and I think this is a really scummy reaction. If you're actually vigi, claiming before next EoN would make your claim undeniable, not right now.
What is pushing the "right" part in your opinion here? Grack flipped green so it clears Silent? You are confirmed town so only lynch now is Scott?


No, only lynch for me is lunatic. Also, claiming vig is the best thing for town right now. We get a confirmed town and we also might have a doctor, who will most likely protect Rels now. This is a very good position for town right now.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 18:41 GMT
#778
On August 05 2016 03:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 03:25 Rels wrote:
On August 05 2016 03:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
On August 05 2016 02:55 Rels wrote:
On August 05 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote:
Youre relucting to vote Lunatic or at least I take that from your wording. Why? Also, I feel like youre wrong on scott, he's in my town circle. He's fairly actice, pushy, and I can see where most of his reads come from.

I actually let go of my town lean of you. If Lunatic flips red, I can easily see you bussing here to gain towncred. I am also a bit paranoid about a scott, you and lunatic team but for now the only reason to add Scott to that list is the pterequisite that you are scum, so its highly associative.

I don't get how scott goes from "in my town circle" to "in my Lunatic's likely partners".

Thats why I said highly associative. If lunatic plus celestial are scum, I can see Scott scum. Last sentence of my post says "only reason to put him on that List", thought that makes my stance clear.

Well who are you your two most liekly scums ? Cause it seemed like it was Lunatic + Celestial

Wow thnx man bursting my bubble like that. I was so happy that someone wanted to engage me in questions and conversation. :c


You can't enage with someone who basically does nothing but all game. Think asking other people about what they think of you is your no:1 accomplishment.

Still, you are doing better than KSC I guess...
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 18:48 GMT
#779
On August 05 2016 03:41 silentwarrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 03:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 05 2016 03:25 Rels wrote:
On August 05 2016 03:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
On August 05 2016 02:55 Rels wrote:
On August 05 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote:
Youre relucting to vote Lunatic or at least I take that from your wording. Why? Also, I feel like youre wrong on scott, he's in my town circle. He's fairly actice, pushy, and I can see where most of his reads come from.

I actually let go of my town lean of you. If Lunatic flips red, I can easily see you bussing here to gain towncred. I am also a bit paranoid about a scott, you and lunatic team but for now the only reason to add Scott to that list is the pterequisite that you are scum, so its highly associative.

I don't get how scott goes from "in my town circle" to "in my Lunatic's likely partners".

Thats why I said highly associative. If lunatic plus celestial are scum, I can see Scott scum. Last sentence of my post says "only reason to put him on that List", thought that makes my stance clear.

Well who are you your two most liekly scums ? Cause it seemed like it was Lunatic + Celestial

Wow thnx man bursting my bubble like that. I was so happy that someone wanted to engage me in questions and conversation. :c


You can't enage with someone who basically does nothing but all game. Think asking other people about what they think of you is your no:1 accomplishment.

Still, you are doing better than KSC I guess...

EBWOP remove "but"
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 20:39 GMT
#827
On August 05 2016 04:17 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 01:58 silentwarrior wrote:
On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote:
And thats about it I guess.

Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.

Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.

Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc
I won't be lynching for a while.

I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train.


Did you just put everyone that voted for Mderg as red? If so, then first where is scott? Second, explain why voting for mderg means you are scum, especially my vote since I only voted to not get lynched myself.

If that's not how you picked the reds then I want an explanation on why, because you haven't given one.

See with the bolded this is what triggers me so much ever since mderg got lynched. This is like such a lazy reasoning I just hate it. You were a policy lynch, you post constructive stuff, make sense and you don't get lynched D1 thats super easy. If you are getting plynched over an also super afk KSC, a 0 posts til 1.5 hours b4 eod Rels you have a problem.
Rels came in literally 1.5 hours before lynch, he just posted stuff, people were off him. You do the same' you were active before so you shouldn't feel too pressured about people voting you out of policy, you just point this out.
But oh well why should I, just vote for this other guy and I have a perfect reasoning to vote him cuz I'm getting lynched lolz.

Anyway yeah, there is mafia on mderg, town rarely goes on a completely off road on a fairly active and making sense guy when there are better candidates. Someone led them on mderg lynch and thats why I was still suspicious of Rels even post claim. I don't really give claims that much credit but that might be just me + Show Spoiler +
hi sicklucker, hi emp, hi kruppe


Are you an idiot? The lynch against me had 4 votes, so did the one against mderg. Without me voting for him I would have been lynched. No matter how town I read someone else, I can never be sure of anyones alignment but my own, so I take myself over mderg any day. You are really stupid if you don't understand this.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 20:40 GMT
#829
On August 05 2016 02:12 -Celestial- wrote:
Just enough time to comment now that I've read it: silent's case is good. Some of the same points I found just above.

Will vote Lunatic for now.

On a side note: I think if we lynch Lunatic:
- if he flips scum we lynch scott (on the basis of all the defending, despite the scumminess)
- if he flips town we have to rethink, but I'll probably be back on viewing silent very suspiciously

##Vote: Lunaticman


Why would I be suspicous if the Lunatic vote fails? Becuse I was wrong? You were wrong on Grack as well, should we all view you being suspicous because of that?
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 20:54 GMT
#837
On August 05 2016 05:45 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 05:39 silentwarrior wrote:
On August 05 2016 04:17 Skynx wrote:
On August 03 2016 01:58 silentwarrior wrote:
On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote:
And thats about it I guess.

Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.

Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.

Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc
I won't be lynching for a while.

I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train.


Did you just put everyone that voted for Mderg as red? If so, then first where is scott? Second, explain why voting for mderg means you are scum, especially my vote since I only voted to not get lynched myself.

If that's not how you picked the reds then I want an explanation on why, because you haven't given one.

See with the bolded this is what triggers me so much ever since mderg got lynched. This is like such a lazy reasoning I just hate it. You were a policy lynch, you post constructive stuff, make sense and you don't get lynched D1 thats super easy. If you are getting plynched over an also super afk KSC, a 0 posts til 1.5 hours b4 eod Rels you have a problem.
Rels came in literally 1.5 hours before lynch, he just posted stuff, people were off him. You do the same' you were active before so you shouldn't feel too pressured about people voting you out of policy, you just point this out.
But oh well why should I, just vote for this other guy and I have a perfect reasoning to vote him cuz I'm getting lynched lolz.

Anyway yeah, there is mafia on mderg, town rarely goes on a completely off road on a fairly active and making sense guy when there are better candidates. Someone led them on mderg lynch and thats why I was still suspicious of Rels even post claim. I don't really give claims that much credit but that might be just me + Show Spoiler +
hi sicklucker, hi emp, hi kruppe


Are you an idiot? The lynch against me had 4 votes, so did the one against mderg. Without me voting for him I would have been lynched. No matter how town I read someone else, I can never be sure of anyones alignment but my own, so I take myself over mderg any day. You are really stupid if you don't understand this.

Well why do you play mafia at all if you can't post your opinions and let people townread you off of that?

All you did this game:
Stfu vote RB.
Bandwagon mderg to save yourself.
Vote someone thats afk.

Taking no risks I see. There is no one townreading you, you earned no towncredit at all this game but for some reason people don't wanna lynch you. I guess we will see.

Also fuck you you fucking fuck. We all have our opinions, you can call someone bad fine if you insult them for not thinking the same way you do thats what we call being a dickhead.


Fine, I'm sorry I called you an idiot. That was rude of me. But I did not misrepresent you as you are doing to me. I have had solid posts about my reads and analysis. I have seriosly pushed 2 people, which you convenietly don't mention, and I have done so on actual analysis not the fact that somoene in mafia don't want to die. I have taken big risks all this game, which is probably why haven't had as many townreads.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 20:57 GMT
#839
Btw, is anyone else getting a bad feeling lynching lunatic. I don't mean on lunatic, he's definetly scum. But we got 5 votes so quickly and without almost any oppposition. I can't help but wonder if either mafia is bussing him or he is actually just a really scummy looking town...
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 21:28 GMT
#845
On August 05 2016 06:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 05:35 Skynx wrote:
On August 05 2016 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Haven't read game. Might do it later

Do you actually play mafia at all or just join games to be afk forever and eventually get lynced/nk'd D3 without doing anything?


I haven't really needed to play so far.

Fuck this. I say we vote for KSL. Whose with me?
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 21:54 GMT
#864
I honestly think we should switch out our votes to KSC.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 21:56 GMT
#866
Btw, just so you all don't forget. If we get this wrong we only get one more lynch. If we mislynch d3 town lost.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 21:59 GMT
#868
On August 05 2016 06:57 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 06:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I wouldn't mind a btdt shenannie though jsut because there has to be a Mafia on Race Bannon train and only real viable option is btdt. check my filter for the case I made against him.


Meh this game is shew shew train/afk shennaning.

I just don't get how someone that's away because of working gets pushed over someone that says "theres no reason for me to post".

Come on town I expected more!

If you are town, you should post as much as possible, to show us your views.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 22:01 GMT
#872
You have 6 votes against you. What do you have to lose?
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 22:01 GMT
#874
On August 05 2016 07:00 Rels wrote:
OK let's get rid of KSC
##Vote KSC

Let's do it.
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 22:09 GMT
#886
I say we wait for counterclaim, still got about 50 min. If nothing happens we should change our votes back to Lunatic. But KSC seriosly fucked us this game, esp with if he really is veteran.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 22:12 GMT
#891
Is KelsierSC going to recieve any punishment for his complete lack of activity and general apathy towards this game? I feel it is only right that he does, he displayed zero interest in this game and has seriosly but a damper in it.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 22:15 GMT
#897
On August 05 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 07:09 silentwarrior wrote:
I say we wait for counterclaim, still got about 50 min. If nothing happens we should change our votes back to Lunatic. But KSC seriosly fucked us this game, esp with if he really is veteran.

I also disagree with this. If he's really vet then that is pretty cool. Better him than someone townier.


Before we didn't know if there was a veteran or medic. But know, both we and mafia know it. And you claimed as blue, dont you see how this is problematic for us now? Also, he could have been a pretty big help as well in the game.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 22:16 GMT
#899
On August 05 2016 07:13 KelsierSC wrote:
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On August 05 2016 07:09 silentwarrior wrote:
I say we wait for counterclaim, still got about 50 min. If nothing happens we should change our votes back to Lunatic. But KSC seriosly fucked us this game, esp with if he really is veteran.


I hardly "fucked" this game as you only decided to randomly switch onto me 10 minutes ago. But ok.


Thanks for letting the mafia know we have a vet and not medic. Maybe if you were atleast a little active this wouldn't have happened. So yes, you fucked us in that regard.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
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August 04 2016 22:18 GMT
#903
On August 05 2016 07:14 -Celestial- wrote:
I'd also note that with the Moosy vote we still have the lynch on Lunatic anyway. So if we DO want to try to get shenanies pushed along, silent, then we need to do it NOW and hope more people come along that can flip their votes.


Yes, we are 5 here now, so we could move to another wagon and still win vote. But the only one I'm willing to change to now is Moosy, so will you guys back me on that? I don't think either scott or btdt is scum.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 04 2016 22:28 GMT
#931
On August 05 2016 07:09 Lunaticman wrote:
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On August 05 2016 07:08 -Celestial- wrote:
On August 05 2016 07:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 05 2016 07:05 Rels wrote:
OK that will get solved at some point.
##Unvote
##Vote BTDT


Really your going to believe that?



It does kinda align with how he's been so "IDGAF" about the whole game.

More to the point do you want to risk lynching an un-ccd blue?


Well if I told you I was the medic would you believe me?

Either way a blue role would have put in much more effort in the game.


This is the only thing making me doubt Lunatics blue claim. Plus the fact that he was ready to accept his fate before, knowing he could claim. Shit, I'm not sure of anything right now, but we do have one other lynch, and mafia is obviosly either Lunatic or KSC, so we will atleast get one of them.
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