Bavarian Nightkills

On July 05 2016 16:48 Koshi wrote:
No. I have seen Kush say the exact same thing many times in the early game. It's just null.

Anyway, I agree with the list except for Vivax and Skynx.
I hope to see Vivax shine this game. It has been too long.
I want to see if I can read Skynx. I followed his posts in the previous game as his coach but I can't promise I can read him tbh. He plays borderline mafia as town, even though last game everybody townread him. So I guess his mafia game is really obvious or something.

VA totes bro but yeah... might need to lynch.


number 5 & 8 I don't know so probably good d1 plynches. Number 6 as well, never been able to read that guy.



PS: Palmar sucks.

On July 05 2016 20:04 Skynx wrote:

You sound serious. Koshi is a good town tho so I don't think this is enough of a judgement for a vote.

On July 06 2016 03:38 Koshi wrote:
hmm. Replacing is indeed pretty stupid. Modkill it is.

On July 06 2016 05:02 Palmar wrote:

I'm just saying

rather lynch you anyway

On July 06 2016 17:11 Koshi wrote:
So I truly hope I had nothing to do with that. Sometimes I get triggered and do random things I may regret.

On July 06 2016 20:48 Koshi wrote:

So you found 4 people to write 1 scummy line about and then made them your main suspects?

For example me. You can say that 1 line about me, which sounds ok in theory, but isn't it just more likely I am town given the 5 reasons you could probably give why I am town.


Do you really think those 4 people are the 4 best lynches for today?

On July 06 2016 21:01 Koshi wrote:

No. I play how I like. I am for sure not trying to be nicer.
Maybe trying to be less active. But I was lucky yesterday I had too much fun playing dota/darkest dungeon/clicker heroes and cba with the game due to blatant bm which in retrospect wasn't so bad and normally I wouldn't care about but sometimes I do.

On July 06 2016 08:09 Shapelog wrote:


Well, let's generate some content, no?

What is your current read on Palmar, based off of everything you have read and seen, and why?
Who is your top suspect right now?
In Total WarHammer, Should I Attack the Orcs first or The VC first as Dwarfs?

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I could of swore you have read it. Anyways,

Just read his filter then? He died at the beginning of N1 due to modkill, and his filter is 2 pages IIRC. In this case, you really don't have to really read much anyways to see if my point (about him making content and tone) is right or not. That much you should be able to pick up after skimming.

Also:

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See, Talking like zinyak isn't good.

You play SR4, zinyak is cool and you try talking like him, and this is what happens. You come out sounding all confusing and stuff. Bravo, Bravo *claps*

Leave zinyak to the voice actors kiddo.

Don't ask baby,
Just do.

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Is that what I needed to show?

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Why exactly? Cause I brought up a meta point, reached it prob. wasn't true, and ask for Opinion on it?

Don't you fucking dare add to this ridiculousness.

Oh wait you just contridcted yourself.



I mean you latterly posted that, f5, and posted another read, when you just said that you wouldn't. There appears to be a conflict of interests here. Well actually just logic too. I mean, If you said, "I have other reads, but they might change." that wouldn't be the problem, but you said that you were going to keep them to yourself.

First off, If koshi is blue hunting, why isn't that scummy enough to vote for?

Second, lets look at the Koshi point:


Now read Koshi post.
Read it.
Did it?
Good?

Is it talking about you being scum, or VA's reasoning and logic on that post? It is VA's reasoning and logic, which included the scum read on you. It wasn't about if you were scum or not (though, Koshi has his own reasoning) it was about thoughts about VA's post.

And if you do not believe me, look at the follow up post. Why would RB ask koshi to ask you if you were scum?

A lot of what you are doing doesn't make sense, or is wrong info.

On July 06 2016 03:47 Koshi wrote:

Wonder why he didn't type

"for all we know"


maybe it is nothing.

On July 06 2016 03:29 Vivax wrote:
Related is badly worded. To put it simple you chain a lot of different stuff together and I read it as lack of emphasis and interest. I tend to be very extensive about an argument if I believe it's the right one, while you seem to talk about (figuratively speaking) dozens of different things that don't have much to do with each other.

You reply to DCW, reply something to RB, talk about kushs alignment, talk about Palmar, talk to Jinx, if I break down your post into parts.

I guess it feels...confusing? to me. Like your purpose is not to pursue who you think is mafia but just to reply to as many things as possible. I would like to call it scummy but I'm still on the fence.

On July 06 2016 03:31 Shapelog wrote:
Anyways, going to the Palmar meta point I keep Referencing.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509751-names-are-hard-mini-mafia?user=Palmar

It is interesting to compare these two, cause while Palmar does do the same thing (Damdred is scum/vote in Name, Koshi is scum/vote here.) they way they went about it is different.

One thing in name though, that he did more there then here, was push the damdred lynch. He might of made a joke post, but he was back on it. Aka, he was more focused on the lynch then joking.

Here, it is IMO different, almost reversed. While he is pushing a Koshi push here and there, he has a bunch of other posts in-between. Most of which are jokey, and while he does go back to the Koshi vote, It seems honestly more to piss off Koshi then anything else.

The damdred off vote also is less bitey then the switch to me in name.

Thoughts?

On July 06 2016 03:37 prplhz wrote:
I'm having a hard time convincing myself that Koshi is serious, but it seems like he is? I don't know I think sometimes there is a rule that we don't discuss modkills/bans/whatever and I think that's a good idea because it doesn't do anything for us.

I mean, lets not discuss if he should be modkilled or if Palmar went too far when he quoted a post and wrote "hahahahaha" (forgot how many "ha"s). Half the Sky and LightningStrike can handle that.

Seems townie that he gets so mad tho?

On July 06 2016 14:12 DCWasabi wrote:
##vote prplhz

I am reading prplhz as scum. Kush says that prplhz doesn't have low activity this game, but if you look at his posts, they aren't too useful.

Furthermore, the following post is suspicious:
"I'm having a hard time convincing myself that Koshi is serious, but it seems like he is? I don't know I think sometimes there is a rule that we don't discuss modkills/bans/whatever and I think that's a good idea because it doesn't do anything for us.

I mean, lets not discuss if he should be modkilled or if Palmar went too far when he quoted a post and wrote "hahahahaha" (forgot how many "ha"s). Half the Sky and LightningStrike can handle that.

Seems townie that he gets so mad tho?"

If you don't want to discuss modkills and bans and want to leave the hosting to the hosts, then why are you bringing this up?
Especially after the topic was several pages back and pretty much dropped already...
This kind of post could be intended to induce the town into more spamming/fighting/shit-talking and less actual mafia-hunting.
Seems unnecessarily distracting.

Earlier he was kind of town-reading Koshi, but in a way that makes your head asplode.
"Why would someone (KOoshi), as mafia, think it's a good idea to be nicer than he usually is? As mafia, you usually try to act like you usually do, and Koshi usually doesn't try to be nice (and he knows this)?"

In fact, almost all of his posts are related to Koshi, even though I haven't seen much in the way of people suggesting that Koshi is scum.
Is he actually just obsessed with Koshi for some reason, or perhaps trying to associate himself with a strong town player that most people are town-reading (who he KNOWS is town)?

On July 06 2016 18:32 Race Bannon wrote:

Who do you think are unlikely to be scum together?

On July 07 2016 02:20 Koshi wrote:

Why are you not commenting on sicklucker? He has been talked about maybe the most by everybody.

On July 07 2016 02:51 Vivax wrote:
Nobody still seems to have realized that SL has never been trolling about him being mafia, but Palmar claimed he did.

Even Koshi called it something along of "Palmar pointing out a scumslip".

What SL did was talking about him-as mafia-in an earlier game.

On July 06 2016 03:47 Koshi wrote:

Wonder why he didn't type

"for all we know"


maybe it is nothing.

On July 06 2016 19:21 Koshi wrote:
if sl is mafia he spewed me town so hard. lol.
It looked so much as a slip anyway. kinda hilarious.

On July 06 2016 21:17 Koshi wrote:
Sicklucker did 4 things that are more likely to come from scum in the 20ish posts he made. It is almost too scummy to be scum.

1) didn't read concentrated enough and made a mistake, jumped on a person with false reasoning, only to find out later when he reread and then downplays it on an odd trying to be funny way. (happens more to mafia than town. true fact)

2) possible scumslip. As he said "Palmar could have been mafia for all you know." Really strange that he didn't write "for all that we know" (+he didn't think for a second I was faking rage)

3) underplaying own skillset in finding mafia to get away from pressure. Or explain pressure.

4) "I might be back before deadline if it suits my agenda." (favorite mafia sentence, almost all mafia make this sentence in some sort of form. Deadline is as always and I don't remember sl as somebody who misses deadlines.)

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and that are just the things that I think mafia sicklucker does more likely than town sicklucker.


on the other hand...

Is sicklucker so obvious at being mafia?

but


he is for sure not town because he had that 1 townie post and his general play "is not scummy" as you want to make it.

On July 07 2016 03:41 Vivax wrote:
I kinda want SL to flip now just so I can be condescending towards certain people.

On July 07 2016 03:52 Shapelog wrote:

Ah ok,

Anything there to help your read on us?

On July 07 2016 03:52 Shapelog wrote:

Ah ok,

Anything there to help your read on us?

On July 07 2016 05:58 Koshi wrote:

Last game he had me as coach and I pushed some of his reads out. I think he would have been a little bit less strong without me in his back. Not sure about this of course.

But like I said in the start. I actually see him more as a lynchbait player who can dish out very decent reads. Last game he went away for hours just to make 3 one liners and go away for hours again.

I have no problem with his reads atm. I also don't have a feeling he is being here pretending to be town and contribute or pushing an agenda as mafia. Can you proof he is?

On July 07 2016 06:03 Koshi wrote:

this game is not last game though. I made a killer case on Tumble D2 basically because all the rest were lock town... It was such an easy game. Holy shit.

On June 20 2016 08:39 Shapelog wrote:

You didn't visit my filter the first time IIRC. I thought the town read was based on my entrance, which later is what you and super discussed. Which ironically flipped scum.

Lol.

weak town lean on skynx. Only reason is for what you said. I still find him a bit nullish at the point. Rsoul wasn't a strong town read either, maybe a town lean at best.

I was kinda faint sus. on both yammty and cake. cake was for just being really serious all the sudden, and Yammty just for that thing. I was waiting for the game to develop quite honestly.

But that is the past!

Ironic given post shot results

I actually do not know if I should be looking for people for if they wanted to or not to shot super. I guess actually I want to look at people IF they wanted to shot super, since super was goon, and it would benefit them more.

Which fits:



I'll work out that tho later on, after I catch up towards the end.


I have written remixs and children books as both town and scum.

I actually kinda wondering about something. Forgetting that super flip scum, you were talking about something I said, and that super hasn't played more then a few games with me. Yet super, who has played more games with me, and is someone you did somewhat defended (softly) about a question IIRC said the opposite.

Maybe you thought that since super was scum, that was invalid. I quote the post tho that I am talking about after this is done.

Moving on,

I questioned it brosike.

Wonder what changed from this post to this one:


Meh
Was going to say something about yammty, but I forgot he flipped so lol.


So flipply floppy on super Rsoul. One min he is scum, one he is not, one he is scum, but could be town.

That basically is it.

I do not understand why Rsoul is flippy so much on the super shot tbh. Ryan and Cop need a look at more so.

On June 21 2016 04:32 Shapelog wrote:

Maybe because I do not want to cause town to lose the game?

Nice to see your also tunneled onto me for "forced joking."


Not necessary.

All my WIFOM night kills have some sort of agenda behind it. All the shots in storm after 3rd was killed was for the all blue lylo (minus LS, cause LS was actually on my tail). Usually, it is to push town into lynching a player, or I am setting up something to win. I plan my moves out as scum (all my scum games shows this, newbie 19, storm, and tortiuse (the unvote vote FF etc.))

I have no plan here. That is the deference.

I explain more on what I think it means with this post from ryan.


That was just my thoughts catching up, they were hasty due to me having another game's lynch (day 4) that I had to get to at 8.

I am questioning everybody and pointing out anything I see scummy/something I want more info about.

For example, I want to rsoul to explain the change,
Get cakes feed back about the super sit. back,
etc.

I kinda am thinking (and I will admit cake, this might be paranoid) that the shot was a frame shot on me due to my meta. The prob. is that I cannot just go "Oh it is one of ryan/rsoul, due to them knowing my scum meta." because super was scum, and could of told either skynx or cake about how I shot.

So I am basically questioning everyone, trying to POE.


I was reading the game and saw one of yamato posts, was in a analyzing mode, analyzed it, and remembered that he died.


No one.
Wasn't here/able to type anything till my post after the shot had happen.

What do think now that you have this information?

Annoying thing is, is that I cannot say that this is wrong, in the sense of it being the most simplest of explanations.

The prob. is, is that I cannot follow it at all, as it is wrong due to the information I have with my PM. The most simplest explanation for me, is that I being framed via the shot.

On July 07 2016 06:39 sicklucker wrote:
lol well ok... well literally everyone wants to vote me for no logical reason in this game no use fighting it anymore even the random people.

Im a one shot tracker (powerrole) you guys are bad and you should feel bad afk untill im nked

On July 07 2016 06:42 Koshi wrote:

Nha. More below it says every role except vet and something else can be 1shot 2 shot etc. The roles pms there are examples.
I am a sucker for blue claims but not this time.


You should have played better sicklucker. This lynch is mostly on you.

On July 07 2016 06:46 Koshi wrote:

No I want him to get lynched. His blue role is useless. He played bad.

He has already once played exactly like this and flipped scum.
I have never seen him play like this and flip town.


Like he said. He is NEVER misslynched before.
Why now? By veterans. Who most of you are townreading.

On July 07 2016 06:49 Koshi wrote:

SHAPE YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW BETTER.


REMEMBER LAST GAME AND HOW SL SUDDENLY KNEW HTS WAS MAFIA?????


LOOK NOW. SAME SHIT.


Why would he be town?



Do not spare him. Lynch him.

On July 08 2016 05:00 Koshi wrote:
Really good post Damdred. I don't believe that sicklucker is town though. But those other names are town.

On July 09 2016 00:07 Koshi wrote:
or DCWasabi

I don't even want to read his posts because they are so badly formatted.




Now I am out for the rest of the weekend.

On July 08 2016 17:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ugh, I think Kush is easily a lynch candidate for today. The entirety of his D1 was based on activity, which is fine-ish, except he didn't end that way. He ended up pushing Vayne as "the most viable lynch" at the time, which doesn't make any sense because I was the only person on Vayne at the time. There had to be other people that were more "viable" according to Kush's standards for the D1 lynch, but he landed on Vayne?

I liked his first post that talked about lynch-viability for D1, but he took that to an extreme, using it as an excuse to not scumhunt at all, and ended up lynching a townie. And not because he thought he was mafia (though he made sure to mention that there was the possiblity that he was mafia) but because he thought he was a "better lynch". No other reason given.

I can EASILY see Kush as mafia this game, and to be honest it's going to be hard to objectively look at the rest of the people on my list without this read in mind.

On July 07 2016 06:39 sicklucker wrote:
lol well ok... well literally everyone wants to vote me for no logical reason in this game no use fighting it anymore even the random people.

Im a one shot tracker (powerrole) you guys are bad and you should feel bad afk untill im nked

On July 09 2016 07:29 Koshi wrote:
Like show me why.