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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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Jealous
10156 Posts
On June 29 2016 05:57 Tumblewood wrote: I don't think anyone can be the scum but jealous TBH (tt maybe maybe) But I'm not wholly convinced jealous is scum Explain? I'd like to see a case built against me that doesn't involve "feels" or an acronym like TMI with a lack of substance. This isn't directly towards only you, Tumblewood, but are the veterans really that lazy around here? Almost no one besides Tictock is posting quotes and examining filters publicly. So far, many, people are just stating their reads with a definite lack of substance from within the thread. | ||
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Jealous
10156 Posts
On June 29 2016 05:58 GlowingBear wrote: Because I didn't cast my vote on Damdred yet You're not listed in the non-voting list, is what I meant. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
Tone The way Damdred reacted to suspicion I don't think could ever come from scum. Imagine he is: He has to solo through the game and get 4 mislynches. He has four votes on him, all looks lost. You push him hard and he keeps pushing for his preferred lynch and defends himself hard. It felt incredibly genuine to me. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 29 2016 05:50 Jealous wrote: 1. I agree with this. I do believe your reasoning is sincere in the sense that you truly believe it. I also don't trust your reasoning because I can't trust someone who blindly pockets people (Chezinu). 2. I understand where you're coming from, but “overconfidence precedes carelessness.” You are so confident in your subjective experience and understanding of the people behind the aliases on this site that you are willing to overlook concrete evidence. I like how you use "your mislynch" to further incriminate me in the eyes of the reader. I am only pursuing this because 1. I've "got some good logic going" and 2. I, like you, and truly sincere in my analysis. This is the clearest scum to me right now so I'm pushing it with tangible evidence at a time when everyone else seems to be dozing besides Superbia and TT. I'm doing this for the good of town. As I mentioned earlier, if I do all of this and Damdred were by chance to flip green, wouldn't that look terrible for me if all I had to do was vote for him and cite my D1 reads? I might not be an experienced player and therefore not a strong player, but I'm not retarded and even I can see cause-and-effect on an a->b level. Speaking of which, if you were scum and Damdred does get lynched and he is green, that would look great for you, wouldn't it? You made such an impassioned case with pretty formatting and an appeal to the in-circle of TL Mafia. If you were scum and I got lynched and flipped town, that might be a slight hindrance to you but nothing you wouldn't be able to work your way out of considering so many others are also on this wagon and because you have pocket buttbuddies in Chezinu and possibly Damdred (from his posts, at least). This is an interesting hypothetical, something I'd want to explore if Damdred does indeed flip green, which I doubt. For now, I'm sticking to my guns. It's won one game, it may win another. Honestly it just feels that you're scum to me because of the... opportunisticness you're displaying? You're lining up my potential mislynch now for if Damdred flips green, which is something I'd expect from scum. You're not taking the super easy things mostly such as people talking to others as if they're confirmed town (TT used it on Damdred) because you know they're cheap shots. I only worded it that way because I feel like everyone else is pretty townie and the way you're going about makes me feel pretty confident that you're mafia. There was also just some actual sympathy for you, not gloating about it. I sincerely believe you're scum and I am sincerely sorry that you're likely to get lynched because people get townread for stupid reasons. Mafia doesn't necessarily reward those who play the best. I've experienced it plenty myself where people end up with stupid townreads that are correct because they just would never do it as scum; dumbtells were common in that regard. As for the Chez read, I'm sure you're aware it's obviously a joke. Your frustration regarding it also further fuels my scumread on me, as I believe it's a mislynch that you need as mafia. Rest assured that I won't keep that joke going should it get to LYLO, but I doubt I'll be alive that long. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 29 2016 05:55 GlowingBear wrote: Artanis my reasoning behind scumreading damdy is far from his inconsistencies. It is much more because of his siding with EC and his reaction to my named VT claim I sided with EC as well in the sense that I thought he was town. We can't both be scum. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On June 29 2016 06:00 Jealous wrote: Explain? I'd like to see a case built against me that doesn't involve "feels" or an acronym like TMI with a lack of substance. This isn't directly towards only you, Tumblewood, but are the veterans really that lazy around here? Almost no one besides Tictock is posting quotes and examining filters publicly. So far, many, people are just stating their reads with a definite lack of substance from within the thread. Yeah we are pretty lazy but that's hardly an issue. I am on my phone but my computer's only ten feet away so I'll filter dive, etc. soon but as a summary process of elimination. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
a) his scum partners are flopping and highly likely to die d1/d2 b) he is short on town cred which would lead him to think, "hey, I need to bus moosy and ec so I can get town cred for it and maybe solo the game". thing about that though is that tictock is kinda in the same boat so it's a blanket town point for both of them. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
There are super strong meta reads in this game, mostly between myself and art. Partially towards gb before the claim. Besides that meta has been used pretty sparingly besides super as well. As for what's your play mafia wouldn't try that hard would come to the for front. Do I think your lock scum. Nit really I have some paranoia about someone else as well but meh. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
I will try to make sense of what is going on in a little while, also I'm not particularly bothered about what we kill today. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I trust you with a gun always though, you are a good night vig. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
So here is a logical man's way out: if Damdred is going to get lynched, we should try to get as much as info out of it in case he rolls town. I feel like the remaining mafia (in case its not D) is someone we are not even considering right now. I suggest everyone be active as much as they can tmox cuz scum WILL drop something. Nn | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On June 29 2016 06:20 Jean Valjean wrote: Hey guys, I'm partially unavailable today, and probably tomorrow too. I am sorry for that, I should have more time to contribute on thursday. I will try to make sense of what is going on in a little while, also I'm not particularly bothered about what we kill today. But posts like this are really what bothers me. Like really badly, so many things bother me. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 29 2016 06:21 Skynx wrote: I'll be up for some discussion tomorrow irl but Art, as much as i have faith in yout honesty we should stick to facts. I'm sure Damdred is mafia as much as you believe he is town so we're getting nowhere here. So here is a logical man's way out: if Damdred is going to get lynched, we should try to get as much as info out of it in case he rolls town. I feel like the remaining mafia (in case its not D) is someone we are not even considering right now. I suggest everyone be active as much as they can tmox cuz scum WILL drop something. Nn I doubt you believe Damdred is scum as hard as I believe he's town. I'm about 99.999% certain he's town. As for if it's not Jealous, there's a few people I think miiiight be scum. Also, I don't want to diss your scumread, but I would like you to take into account the amount of experience I've had playing with him and factor that in. That sounds incredibly egocentric, but please, believe me in it and try to see his play from a town point of view. | ||
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Jealous
10156 Posts
On June 29 2016 06:04 Tumblewood wrote: Tone The way Damdred reacted to suspicion I don't think could ever come from scum. Imagine he is: He has to solo through the game and get 4 mislynches. He has four votes on him, all looks lost. You push him hard and he keeps pushing for his preferred lynch and defends himself hard. It felt incredibly genuine to me. He has 3 votes and I have 4. You unvoted me and revoted me, btw. On June 29 2016 06:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Honestly it just feels that you're scum to me because of the... opportunisticness you're displaying? You're lining up my potential mislynch now for if Damdred flips green, which is something I'd expect from scum. You're not taking the super easy things mostly such as people talking to others as if they're confirmed town (TT used it on Damdred) because you know they're cheap shots. I only worded it that way because I feel like everyone else is pretty townie and the way you're going about makes me feel pretty confident that you're mafia. There was also just some actual sympathy for you, not gloating about it. I sincerely believe you're scum and I am sincerely sorry that you're likely to get lynched because people get townread for stupid reasons. Mafia doesn't necessarily reward those who play the best. I've experienced it plenty myself where people end up with stupid townreads that are correct because they just would never do it as scum; dumbtells were common in that regard. As for the Chez read, I'm sure you're aware it's obviously a joke. Your frustration regarding it also further fuels my scumread on me, as I believe it's a mislynch that you need as mafia. Rest assured that I won't keep that joke going should it get to LYLO, but I doubt I'll be alive that long. I've had Damdred as my scumlean since D1. In a situation where it's me vs. Damdred both getting votes for lynch in the wake of Superbia's play, I'll always choose Damdred. Examining that in a vacuum, that can't be AI because as scum I am doing it to get as a myslynch, as you said, and as town I am doing it because that is the strongest scum case presented so far and the one I can stand behind as town. I'm playing to win in either scenario. Also, as I said before, it would be foolish for me to put in all that effort if I was scum to mislynch 1 player when I have so many more to take care of. I'm fully aware that if he flips green it will look bad for me; rationally, as scum, I would use this as an opportunity to quietly wagon on him and if I am approached about it I would cite my D1 reads. Instead, I'm trying to lead the charge. If you combine all of these things into one, I can't see how you can say I'm playing with an opportunistic mindset. Thanks for your sentiments. I'm frustrated because it's bad for town, and I am town. People withholding reads and analysis is always scummy to me. Chezinu contributing so little for so long, your refusal to read this fact, and Damdred constantly trying to butter you two up just all seem like things that townies who are trying to win wouldn't do. As you said, all three of you can't be scum, but all three of you could have mannerisms that are not beneficial to town. I do want to note that I never said that either you or Chez were scum, just that your "house of brown" stuff annoys me. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On June 29 2016 06:21 Skynx wrote: I'll be up for some discussion tomorrow irl but Art, as much as i have faith in yout honesty we should stick to facts. I'm sure Damdred is mafia as much as you believe he is town so we're getting nowhere here. So here is a logical man's way out: if Damdred is going to get lynched, we should try to get as much as info out of it in case he rolls town. I feel like the remaining mafia (in case its not D) is someone we are not even considering right now. I suggest everyone be active as much as they can tmox cuz scum WILL drop something. Nn this post feels off to me... lacks a sense of direction, as if skynx isn't pushing anything with it (though interestingly it does push a damdred lynch). there's a contradiction in what I said but underneath it is surely some meaning. not sure how to vocalize it, but it definitely feels weird. | ||
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Jealous
10156 Posts
On June 29 2016 06:20 Jean Valjean wrote: Hey guys, I'm partially unavailable today, and probably tomorrow too. I am sorry for that, I should have more time to contribute on thursday. I will try to make sense of what is going on in a little while, also I'm not particularly bothered about what we kill today. I was quite honestly looking forward to your input/analysis of the current situation to be honest ): Will you be able to catch up before EoD? | ||
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