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On June 30 2016 05:51 Jean Valjean wrote: Damdred vote came out of a super long good case written by jealous. That case came out 24h ago, you had all this time to read that and be "wow thats a good case". Why now? | ||
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 Fine, either way we need to step up our game. | ||
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On June 30 2016 12:51 Damdred wrote: Actually sk, can you explain in greater detail why you went Damdred lock scum-only lynching damdred-Shenanigan onto jean. While I appreciate the sentiment especially silly since I thinknive been Towny. Why was it so bad you think for him to vote me there? What caused your read change on me? I know you partially answered already but just indulge me. Yeah I will expand on my EoD potentially during lunch break if not in the evening. | ||
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On June 30 2016 10:04 Jealous wrote: *adjusts glasses* Okay listen here you cis male scum, saying things like "wife material" means that you are qualifying the woman in regards to her value as a mate for a man, implying that she has no value if she were not "wife material" and that only a thirsty male such as yourself can determine whether or not she is worthy of your attention which by the way no one asked for, also what if the "wife" you are looking at is a lesbian or trans or asexual or sexually fluid? *scoff* How dare you push your black-and-white zero-sum worldview of sexuality on unsuspecting innocent women simply because of the gender they were born with, heellloooo this is 2016. Go read a book you ignorant misogynist! DOWN WITH MEN! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wnIaRyJ.gif) User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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On June 30 2016 12:51 Damdred wrote: Actually sk, can you explain in greater detail why you went Damdred lock scum-only lynching damdred-Shenanigan onto jean. While I appreciate the sentiment especially silly since I thinknive been Towny. Why was it so bad you think for him to vote me there? What caused your read change on me? I know you partially answered already but just indulge me. Alright. So my hardcore scumread on you was based on two main aspects: defending emperor (cuz emperor getting shot is a shock to mafia) and your play with Arantis with all the reasons I previously posted. As the game progressed, Art defended in a very towny way so i dropped him. You however were still trying to push TT as your only excuse which looked very scummy to me, plus when emp flipped and my Art read dropped I thought I caught scum for real. Now towards end of 1st half of D2, you made few very good posts including this: On June 29 2016 04:41 Damdred wrote: I don't think I'll escape the Lynch today and for the re order n this situation I would just concede, it's way to bm to waste everyone's time when I just can't win anyway. Anyway jealous case is actually bad. 1) Early weak reads as he calls it is a staple of my game, I'm a huge tone and gut reader early usually these takes some form of semblance as the game progresses. You can see an example of this in almost any of the 50 games I've played in the database. Like this is just super easy to defend against. It's just something I do and something I'm really successful with. And generally besides with ec I've been right this game 2) I think 3/4 of the game made a baseless push for mayor this is really a non point. Really there as 6-7 people who wanted it. Doesn't make anyone scum. 3) Art and I butt heads wanted to head that off he works better without pressure as town. I generally catch him n1 as scum anyway. As for chez he was just really Towny for him, and idk why an alliance with chez would be good anyway? I just enjoy he guy. Really doesn't make anyone scum and is a narrative you are trying to force. 4) As for hypocrisy you would have to point them out tbh, me and tt went back and forth about hypocrisy which ended in my mind pretty amicably during the night and a funny gif during d1. Though flip flopping doesn't make anyone scum, generally only town flip flop super fast and care free. It's part of the problem with no information vs all info. 5)Don't think I defended moose as I said before just gave him a d1 pass as is the general policy I use and a few others use on him as well. As for ec well I ended up making a bad read because I read to much into paranoia. It happens it sucks we all are wrong sooner or later. Honestly the case is just a myriad of my posts that are plastered together to fill a narrative that I m scum, many are missing direct context of the thread and lacks clear responses by players that could influence the discussion. A lot of it also is painting me in a scummy light just to do so a lot of it also doesn't make anyone scum. Overall the case is poor and I see it coming from scum more than town. this was just after Jeal's big ass post so I thought you defended in such a town fashion here. That being said I kept going, hoping someone would jump on the boat for no reason at all. Then, Jean did after a suite of non-conclusive posts none of which showed a clear target. I went back to re-read a lot today, checked emp and Moosys interactions and whole of D2. I don't think he's scum anymore. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [GB] + On June 27 2016 00:42 GlowingBear wrote: I have Tumble as probably town for his interest in the game and the way he was putting thoughts on what I've wrote. Downside is that I don't remember him giving any reads. + Show Spoiler [Jealous] + On June 27 2016 04:59 Jealous wrote: Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler + Pretty weak play so far. Has only posted one or two substantiated reads. This quote from him sums it up: "like, there's playing the game, and then there's trying to solve the game. most of us are just playing the game right now..." Don't like him so far, but not enough to say he's scum. + Show Spoiler [Damdy] + On June 29 2016 04:45 Damdred wrote: ... I guess tumble is possible but doubtful I think... ... Just Lynch jealous then weigh tumble sk. Lynch chez by the third if he hasn't contributes. Then you are in mylo, hopefully GB is alive to pardon to force a 2 v 1 that's the only time to ever really go for Jean. On June 28 2016 15:15 Damdred wrote: Like I'm really sure art is town and super is town GB is confirmed So that leaves, jealous, tt, sky,jean, sk, tumble Pretty sure tw is town in that group, Jean probably is to just alight paranoia + Show Spoiler [Arantis] + On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu Town Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Quicktwist Townish Subparbia -power gap- Emperorarechampion Null GlowingBear Jealous MoosyDoosy Mildly leaning mafia Jean Valjean Lean mafia Ticktock On June 25 2016 09:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually hate this reason normally (feel like scum tend to be more appeasing) but on me it's accurate. No town points for you though. Don't think you know me enough for that! On June 27 2016 04:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Eh I'm kinda fine with both Jean and Tumble getting it too. Pretty confident in both being town atm. On June 27 2016 19:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have a hard townread on TW and I don't remember entirely why. I think it was because his read development and inquiries felt very natural. He also helped push away from me getting lynched both by reading me townier and by proxy of pushing TT whereas it would be in mafia's best interests to get me lynched and assure it. On June 29 2016 06:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Just scrolled through Tumble's filter to make sure. Way too relaxed to be mafia. On June 29 2016 07:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Big list o' people town should never lynch Artanis Damdred GlowingBear Tumblewood Skynx 100% confirmed town BFF Chezinu On June 30 2016 06:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well, uhh. A thought came to mind. Tumblewood made a tonne of sense during the game and made lots of observations that I didn't think scum would make. Them I remembered Tumblewood in the game he played with Tina as town made absolutely no sense. Kept forgetting his own reads and forged stuff that he only found later. Clearly he must be scum because he's making too much sense and is playing too well. + Show Spoiler [JVJ] + On June 26 2016 20:16 Jean Valjean wrote: I would like to remind everyone that I am running for Mayor. I am absolutely certain I am the best person to hold the office. In order to help my bid here is a quick summary of my reads and reasons for them: Tumblewood: (True Null) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806659 On June 27 2016 00:06 Jean Valjean wrote: .. As with Artanis, you are another player that has no excuse to scumread me at present, so I'll do you the favor of adding myself to your townlist. This means you're townreading the following people: Artanis Damdred Chez Tumble Superbia Jean QT .. On June 27 2016 19:38 Jean Valjean wrote: I tried to read through Tumblewood's filter. At least the first part of it doesn't seem to have anything outright scummy, and he seems to be at least trying to probe what is going on in the game, so there's that. On June 29 2016 21:13 Jean Valjean wrote: .. Tumblewood has been more backgroundy than most, but every time I read posts by him I just think he doesn't sound like what mafia would sound like. I'm sort of letting him off as town. .. + Show Spoiler [TT] + On June 26 2016 14:05 Tictock wrote: Humm I think I've decided I want Tumble to be the mayor. Dude is very obviously town and has a solid head on his shoulders. ##Vote: Tumblewood On June 27 2016 08:20 Tictock wrote: Oh Tumble... My point regarding Art's meta on me is that he's doing it so shallowly. I'm much more stagnant in my reads as town than as mafia and am decently well know to tunnel people for days. Hell even just look at last game where I was tunneled on Super going into the last day before rereading stuff and being convinced by Jealous my thinking was probably not on point. "You don't know me" is about as valid of an argument I can think of when someone is pushing a shitty meta argument on me. On June 27 2016 08:49 Tictock wrote: I'm still about 10 pages (little less) behind and am gunna have to finish catching up later. Here is where I am at (not in any particular order) Town: (prob never lynching) Tumbleweed GlowingBeer Supbarbia QuickTwister On June 28 2016 19:14 Tictock wrote: Though tbh I think I'm mostly locked into Damdred because of PoE at this point. I don't really see Chez being scum atm, but I also don't really know how to read him. I tonally read both Tumble and Jealous as town but I'm not sure I have really solid reasons to think they are for sure. Everyone else I'm fairly confident in being town. There was also a comment I recall Damdred making about Emp that I thought was weird, stands out even more with Emp flipping town. Gunna see if I can find it, then I'm doing morning stuff. On June 30 2016 06:13 Tictock wrote: Eh, it's possible but I think that game you are reffering to was one of Tumble's first games? His play has evolved quite a bit over time... though by that same thought it's possible he's playing a fairly solid scum game. + Show Spoiler [Super] + On June 25 2016 21:22 Superbia wrote: I'm going to go with mainly gut again bc that actually worked out pretty well last d1. Town: - Art - TW - QT On June 27 2016 04:10 Superbia wrote: I'd much, much rather see tumblewood take that position. + Show Spoiler [Me] + On June 26 2016 19:00 Skynx wrote: both roles take priority for having given to 100% townies before experienced players. That being said, both persons should be confident of their votes and not easily being swayed by other opinions (See Jealous last days of Newbie mafia). GB and TT give me that feeling most with Tumble being next on the list, you can also vote for me btw. Super is null for me so far and he's swingy in votes anyway and shouldn't be given the role. Rest should not even be discussed. On June 26 2016 19:05 Skynx wrote: I'm thinking GB is more confirmed town than Tumble atm. Chez would prolly make a worse pres than our PM. [QUOTE]On June 28 2016 03:49 Skynx wrote: Fully caught up now. Here's a list. Full town: GB, JVJ, TT, Super Sort of town: Jealous, Tumble, QT Null: Chez Sort of scum: (tempted to put Chez here) Super scum: emp, Art, Damdred Tumble was as afk as me in last 24h so I'd give him some objective discredit for that. Otherwise I like his posts. /QUOTE] This actually took quite some time so here's a TL;DR: Everyone has Tumble as town for a variety of reasons but nearly everyone has some doubts and again most people sometimes don't remember why they even townread him at first place. More to come. | ||
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On June 26 2016 12:22 emperorchampion wrote: That's quite the order! I don't think I have time to make it exact so this synopsis will have to suffice: Super: I see a very similar style of game play to what I saw last game when he was town. I think that his posts have been pretty on point. Tumble: I think that he has been open with his thoughts, and I like the direction that he has been giving to the game so far. Many of his thoughts I find are echoing mine. QT: I find that his posts have been very reminiscent of the last game. I think that he has shown consideration of the game so far. On June 27 2016 02:51 emperorchampion wrote: So yeah, I'm going for a bike ride, hopefully I'll be back before EoD. I think I'm just going to park my vote on Tumble for now. Scum always have some kind of objective with their vote. It's also not a town mentality to not vote for a common candidate. "Many of his thoughts are echoing mine" is like total bs anyway cuz emp was all one liners up to this point. | ||
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On June 26 2016 13:04 Tumblewood wrote: ok now I focus on ec these reads are not very thought out. you could press the button on generictownreadgenerator.com a few times and get the same results. also his response to gb's questioning is pretty meh, just one step above picking a random post from super's filter. Very hanging read, what does it mean? This is just creating some interaction for some town points, quite useless otherwise. On June 25 2016 09:30 Tumblewood wrote: maybe art feels a little too on the offensive to rule out s v t for me On June 26 2016 04:02 Tumblewood wrote: tt had a couple posts that felt good I think maybe skynx is def town because he's so clearly trying to solve the game On June 26 2016 08:42 Tumblewood wrote: jean feels a little too obvious to be scum like he has all the tells kinda but it just doesn't feel right not sure how to phrase it Using that word "maybe" a lot. Again pretty safe reads without actually saying a lot. On June 26 2016 12:05 Tumblewood wrote: I'm thinking our best candidate for mayor is super because he's town (and I feel pretty solid about that) and he's not a scrub. More lazy reasonings. Tumble i know from newbie game shows his thought process behind every read. You guys have to consider his posts with a scum pow. He has to reach conclusions he knows he's bullshitting while trying to make sense. That's why most of the time mafia won't post big cases and play safe with just little reads about everyone. That's all for now. If i die tonight please reconsider your Tumble read people. I think he's never as town as we thought he is. | ||
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On July 01 2016 09:17 Jealous wrote: What do you think is more likely scum play: 1. Someone who Artanis suspected was scum is getting rid of Artanis? 2. Someone who Artanis read as town getting rid of Artanis because suspicion on them would be unlikely? Arantis is an interesting kill but I doubt it is based on suspicion. He was nk'd more so because he's prolly never getting lynched this game. | ||
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On July 01 2016 19:37 Jealous wrote: Yea, damn, I didn't put enough time into the above post. I thought it would be pretty simple to math it out but it's mad complicated. Even if we forget PRs for a moment, there are the following scenarios: 1. Jean is scum, and pardon has been used. 2. Jean is scum, and pardon has not been used. 3. Jean is not scum, and pardon has been used. 4. Jean is not scum, and pardon has not been used. Each requires their own mathematical breakdown. Agh. Mafia can also hold their shot. | ||
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On July 01 2016 20:52 Jealous wrote: True, especially the last bit. However, being short-sighted has already cost us. I don't think it's bad practice to map all the possible roads this game can take. To what benefit? Can you elaborate? The only thing I can think of is to potentially force a vet to claim because he will think he has been shot? Prevents a kill, same as a pardon. Not to any benefit but since i didn't understand the logic i just pointed it out  | ||
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On July 02 2016 03:43 Jean Valjean wrote: Never flipping mafia: JVJ Damdred GB Jealous Townie: Superbia Skynx Flip flop material: tictock tumblewood Pretty much same for me, just TT and super a bit higher (or just move Tumble down). Super has just been way too useful this gane. I highly doubt Moosy would get lynched without him. I also don't see scum Super going for fake claim. I won't rly lynch him. TT had reasonable and in depth reads on some people. Genuine reaction to fc and general pressure, I'd put him townie. So yeah, if Tumble doesn't flip scum this game is super hard  | ||
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On July 02 2016 04:29 Damdred wrote: What worries me is if the bodyguard is scum and shoots GB tonight and we don't know who the confirmed scum is. But yeah there ways to make sure they are town etc I think In that case Jean just tells us who bg is and we kill him. | ||
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