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On June 21 2016 03:18 rsoultin wrote:
nh
i'm doing that thing again where i just can't understand the possible scum motivation for shooting yamato when super is being voted for vig shot in thread
i can't definitively say that i believe cake and skynx are cleared here (and part of me cringes at the idea of possibly being wrong on rayn but honestly i'm just never gonna vote him this game cause i'd like to trust my read on him lol ><)
but just the idea of scum willfully and knowingly voting for super WHILE shooting yamato while they could change it, or vote for someone else, idk. i just don't think that ever happens here
i don't want to be wrong, rayn, but i have a hard time seeing anyone but an afk shapelog being scum with super here. it's just such an unnecessary thing for scum to do. like we can argue that it's confusing as shit to have a yamato shot here until the cows come home, and it is, and it does make my brain hurt a bit...
but i just don't see why scum ever goes through the effort here to make it more difficult to win just cuz. like i don't think cake does this, and i don't know skynx, but i do know that he was at least present enough to vote for super and seemed to understand what we were thinking so unless he's the sort to think it would be stylistically cool...
the simplest explanation is just that it was shapelog and scum wasn't here to change their shot
On June 21 2016 03:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2016 06:21 Skynx wrote:
Meh i think super is goon trying to take a shot for yamato Yeah, skynx definitely understood where the lynch was likely to go if/when super flipped goon -pokes at skynx- the reason you thinking yamato was goon beforehand doesn't make you town, skynxy, is godfather would know who the goon was. that's what rayn is getting at anyway, i'd like to hear from people, especially if y'all think my reasoning's flawed
I think you're misinterpreting the scum plot here. Superbia was intentionally being scummy, he wanted to get shot. GF is someone pushing for Super shot and congrats now he's pretty much blend in. We lynched the goon and they killed the only other point of argument so we have no basis to work on basically.
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I'm sooooo inclined taking rayn off my list cuz I can't imagine a scum being this tryhard for blending in and he's just the town mayor. Shape wasn't around for Super lynch and he didn't even confirm his vote so I can take him off based on my reasoning of mafia plot.
That gives me around 12 hours to figure out between tina and cop.
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On June 21 2016 19:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 19:29 Skynx wrote:
Shape wasn't around for Super lynch and he didn't even confirm his vote so I can take him off based on my reasoning of mafia plot. So you completely disagree with the "scum were trying to shoot the same person town shoots" argument? Why?
Nana you got it wrong. I think mafia QT was like:
Vito Corleone: yo super my boy go act scummy so they kill you then we shoot Yamato so they start day from zero. I'm gona push you aswell so they don't suspect me one bit.
Superbia: Sure papa.
Shape can't be mafia cuz he'd be around for pushing super last minute. Or at least thats how i see things.
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On June 21 2016 23:44 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 19:27 Skynx wrote:On June 21 2016 03:18 rsoultin wrote:
nh
i'm doing that thing again where i just can't understand the possible scum motivation for shooting yamato when super is being voted for vig shot in thread
i can't definitively say that i believe cake and skynx are cleared here (and part of me cringes at the idea of possibly being wrong on rayn but honestly i'm just never gonna vote him this game cause i'd like to trust my read on him lol ><)
but just the idea of scum willfully and knowingly voting for super WHILE shooting yamato while they could change it, or vote for someone else, idk. i just don't think that ever happens here
i don't want to be wrong, rayn, but i have a hard time seeing anyone but an afk shapelog being scum with super here. it's just such an unnecessary thing for scum to do. like we can argue that it's confusing as shit to have a yamato shot here until the cows come home, and it is, and it does make my brain hurt a bit...
but i just don't see why scum ever goes through the effort here to make it more difficult to win just cuz. like i don't think cake does this, and i don't know skynx, but i do know that he was at least present enough to vote for super and seemed to understand what we were thinking so unless he's the sort to think it would be stylistically cool...
the simplest explanation is just that it was shapelog and scum wasn't here to change their shot On June 21 2016 03:29 rsoultin wrote:On June 20 2016 06:21 Skynx wrote:
Meh i think super is goon trying to take a shot for yamato Yeah, skynx definitely understood where the lynch was likely to go if/when super flipped goon -pokes at skynx- the reason you thinking yamato was goon beforehand doesn't make you town, skynxy, is godfather would know who the goon was. that's what rayn is getting at anyway, i'd like to hear from people, especially if y'all think my reasoning's flawed I think you're misinterpreting the scum plot here. Superbia was intentionally being scummy, he wanted to get shot. GF is someone pushing for Super shot and congrats now he's pretty much blend in. We lynched the goon and they killed the only other point of argument so we have no basis to work on basically. Because we know that yamato was town and this is a more complicated path to the same end, basically. It's possible, of course, but at the end of the day it's simply less intelligent. If yama were alive right now the likelihood that town ever lynches anyone else is very small. This d1 is, you have to see, hugely more unpredictable and therefore more risky for scum. That said, you invalidated where my thoughts were going so... -shrugs-
Not rly.
If we still killed Super and mafia shot someone else, I'd doubt many people would insta join me on the vote. Imo its like way too bait for mafia to go for Yamato lynch after i called him GF hiding behind Super, i mean it'd be so obvious.
I think Yamato is a very good kill by mafia here.
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On June 22 2016 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 02:30 Skynx wrote:
Vito Corleone: yo super my boy go act scummy so they kill you then we shoot Yamato so they start day from zero. I'm gona push you aswell so they don't suspect me one bit.
Superbia: Sure papa.
Shape can't be mafia cuz he'd be around for pushing super last minute. Or at least thats how i see things. The problem with this is the following: Let's say -3 is town victory and 3 is mafia victory on the scale. Why would mafia wanna start from 0 when they can start from 2? That is the crux of the argument.
Thats just another strategy of going about it. Super's behavior tells me that mafia just opted for this kind of play straight up. They could ve done what you suggested but Super would've played better if that was the case, least of all not attack you.
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On June 22 2016 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:I mean Skynx, if that is your argument, i can tell you it only applies to you being mafia.  Because i know noone else in this game thinks so. Even if you think that's what mafia could have done it is 100% certain that noone else does (well Cake says she does but... even Superbia doesn't and as i said i dont think superbia would have let cake make that kill for your reasoning). Noramlly scum kill people who: 1. are on the right track 2. are the biggest threat to your team 3. you can't lynch 4. blue reads (but that doesnt apply here)
Yeah i see where you coming from but sometimes i think throwing a curveball is a better play and the core mechanic of this play 100% suggest the kind of play im talking about.
Those 1, 2 and 3 you talking about are super hard targets to lynch and basically town has to decide lynching only 1 out of 5 where lot of people are like that. Mafia is basically forcing a logical shot by you on Shapelog because he looks the scummiest. I dunno thats the best i can explain my thoughts
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On June 22 2016 02:55 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 02:48 Skynx wrote:On June 22 2016 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2016 02:30 Skynx wrote:
Vito Corleone: yo super my boy go act scummy so they kill you then we shoot Yamato so they start day from zero. I'm gona push you aswell so they don't suspect me one bit.
Superbia: Sure papa.
Shape can't be mafia cuz he'd be around for pushing super last minute. Or at least thats how i see things. The problem with this is the following: Let's say -3 is town victory and 3 is mafia victory on the scale. Why would mafia wanna start from 0 when they can start from 2? That is the crux of the argument. Thats just another strategy of going about it. Super's behavior tells me that mafia just opted for this kind of play straight up. They could ve done what you suggested but Super would've played better if that was the case, least of all not attack you. if yama flips town and we've vig shot him (which was where the game was at when super posted) where does that put him? it has super hard-defending yamato who was town...what would you think of his alignment then?
I would never have changed my mind cuz i was sure of my read. If mafia didnt shoot Yamato i'd vote him. Same if we vig shot Yamato, which was my original plan.
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On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here.
If you do, please do tell.
Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.
One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.
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On June 22 2016 03:05 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 03:04 Skynx wrote:On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here.
If you do, please do tell. Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow. One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever. why do you think mafia would lose if super wasn't vig shot?
Cuz we'd lynch him today as he acted so scummy already.
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On June 22 2016 03:04 rsoultin wrote:
anyway, i'm really just not inclined to change because of the reasons i have to townread the other players, and frankly regardless of shape's alignment it's pretty clear that he doesn't care who scum actually is since he can't be assed to put in the effort to help us find them
if he didn't have time and wasn't posting that might be different. rayn summed it up super well, though
That would be a fine lynch for a normal mafia game, but we can't afford it here.
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Bah sorry for this kind of try hardness, I'm kinda angry on myself cuz i was sure of my read and did nothing to convince u guys to lynch Super D1 so im trying to make up for it
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On June 22 2016 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 03:04 Skynx wrote:On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here.
If you do, please do tell. Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow. One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever. The problem is why does Superbia make that play then? Cake was not scumread, Superbia was not scumread by anyone except me. Why not shoot me and be townread instead of making a play you don't even know will succeed?
How does shooting you gives towncred? Super was scumread by three including me you n tina, Shape likely to vote Super aswell beacuase of earlier beef.
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Well i don't think we're getting anywhere
Voting Shapelog and getting drunk hihi
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Ooh no votecount thread
##Vote: Shapelog
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man rayn is maf
I love yaal
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I faaakin knew it. GG mafia, solid strategy
I felt much more comfortable this game, maybe I'm not cut to roll scum.
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On June 22 2016 19:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 19:30 Superbia wrote:On June 22 2016 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would have probably shouted it down as town aswell because i genuinely don't like when people come here at the last second because it makes the lynch basically random (assuming people switch). And at the time i "shouted it down" i didn't even know if he is going to make a case on rsoultin or on me. I shouted down not the case, but the whole behavior. When the case came there was no time for anyone to even properly read the post let alone make a educated decision about it. If the case came let's say 12 hours earlier, i would have approached the whole situation quite differently since i actually DID have an argument against anything that could have been thrown at me (or at least i felt like that).
I agree Superbia's play was not good. At least to me it gave the most headache. Wtf you asshole. You literally asked me on skype to do scummy shit. >:| ehh no? I believe this was our game plan no? Show nested quote +[14:23:24] Joni Toiviainen: i don't really think you should play "intentionally scummy", because someone smart can figure out you should not actually shoot the scummiest person in the game because they are likely to be goon. or was there a miscommunication lol? I read the scum QT and i really can't find any sentence where i ask you to play scummy lol.
Maaan i actually had this game figured fuck this
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