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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 21 2016 17:53 GMT
#561
On June 22 2016 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean Skynx, if that is your argument, i can tell you it only applies to you being mafia.

Because i know noone else in this game thinks so. Even if you think that's what mafia could have done it is 100% certain that noone else does (well Cake says she does but... even Superbia doesn't and as i said i dont think superbia would have let cake make that kill for your reasoning).


Noramlly scum kill people who:
1. are on the right track
2. are the biggest threat to your team
3. you can't lynch
4. blue reads (but that doesnt apply here)

Yeah i see where you coming from but sometimes i think throwing a curveball is a better play and the core mechanic of this play 100% suggest the kind of play im talking about.

Those 1, 2 and 3 you talking about are super hard targets to lynch and basically town has to decide lynching only 1 out of 5 where lot of people are like that. Mafia is basically forcing a logical shot by you on Shapelog because he looks the scummiest. I dunno thats the best i can explain my thoughts
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2016 17:54 GMT
#562
Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here.
If you do, please do tell.
table for two on a tv tray
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 21 2016 17:55 GMT
#563
On June 22 2016 02:48 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 22 2016 02:30 Skynx wrote:
Vito Corleone: yo super my boy go act scummy so they kill you then we shoot Yamato so they start day from zero. I'm gona push you aswell so they don't suspect me one bit.
Superbia: Sure papa.

Shape can't be mafia cuz he'd be around for pushing super last minute. Or at least thats how i see things.

The problem with this is the following:
Let's say -3 is town victory and 3 is mafia victory on the scale. Why would mafia wanna start from 0 when they can start from 2? That is the crux of the argument.

Thats just another strategy of going about it. Super's behavior tells me that mafia just opted for this kind of play straight up. They could ve done what you suggested but Super would've played better if that was the case, least of all not attack you.


if yama flips town and we've vig shot him (which was where the game was at when super posted) where does that put him? it has super hard-defending yamato who was town...what would you think of his alignment then?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 21 2016 17:58 GMT
#564
On June 22 2016 02:55 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 02:48 Skynx wrote:
On June 22 2016 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 22 2016 02:30 Skynx wrote:
Vito Corleone: yo super my boy go act scummy so they kill you then we shoot Yamato so they start day from zero. I'm gona push you aswell so they don't suspect me one bit.
Superbia: Sure papa.

Shape can't be mafia cuz he'd be around for pushing super last minute. Or at least thats how i see things.

The problem with this is the following:
Let's say -3 is town victory and 3 is mafia victory on the scale. Why would mafia wanna start from 0 when they can start from 2? That is the crux of the argument.

Thats just another strategy of going about it. Super's behavior tells me that mafia just opted for this kind of play straight up. They could ve done what you suggested but Super would've played better if that was the case, least of all not attack you.


if yama flips town and we've vig shot him (which was where the game was at when super posted) where does that put him? it has super hard-defending yamato who was town...what would you think of his alignment then?

I would never have changed my mind cuz i was sure of my read. If mafia didnt shoot Yamato i'd vote him. Same if we vig shot Yamato, which was my original plan.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 21 2016 17:58 GMT
#565
On June 22 2016 02:53 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean Skynx, if that is your argument, i can tell you it only applies to you being mafia.

Because i know noone else in this game thinks so. Even if you think that's what mafia could have done it is 100% certain that noone else does (well Cake says she does but... even Superbia doesn't and as i said i dont think superbia would have let cake make that kill for your reasoning).


Noramlly scum kill people who:
1. are on the right track
2. are the biggest threat to your team
3. you can't lynch
4. blue reads (but that doesnt apply here)

Yeah i see where you coming from but sometimes i think throwing a curveball is a better play and the core mechanic of this play 100% suggest the kind of play im talking about.

Those 1, 2 and 3 you talking about are super hard targets to lynch and basically town has to decide lynching only 1 out of 5 where lot of people are like that. Mafia is basically forcing a logical shot by you on Shapelog because he looks the scummiest. I dunno thats the best i can explain my thoughts


we understand what you're saying. i personally just don't agree that this is the most likely scenario. plays like the one you're describing are generally made when scum is in a good spot...or so bad a spot that they figure they might as well go for the confusion play cause it can't get any worse
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 21 2016 18:04 GMT
#566
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here.
If you do, please do tell.

Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.

One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 21 2016 18:04 GMT
#567
anyway, i'm really just not inclined to change because of the reasons i have to townread the other players, and frankly regardless of shape's alignment it's pretty clear that he doesn't care who scum actually is since he can't be assed to put in the effort to help us find them

if he didn't have time and wasn't posting that might be different. rayn summed it up super well, though
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 21 2016 18:05 GMT
#568
On June 22 2016 03:04 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here.
If you do, please do tell.

Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.

One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.


why do you think mafia would lose if super wasn't vig shot?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 21 2016 18:06 GMT
#569
On June 22 2016 03:05 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 03:04 Skynx wrote:
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here.
If you do, please do tell.

Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.

One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.


why do you think mafia would lose if super wasn't vig shot?

Cuz we'd lynch him today as he acted so scummy already.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 21 2016 18:07 GMT
#570
On June 22 2016 03:04 rsoultin wrote:
anyway, i'm really just not inclined to change because of the reasons i have to townread the other players, and frankly regardless of shape's alignment it's pretty clear that he doesn't care who scum actually is since he can't be assed to put in the effort to help us find them

if he didn't have time and wasn't posting that might be different. rayn summed it up super well, though

That would be a fine lynch for a normal mafia game, but we can't afford it here.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2016 18:08 GMT
#571
On June 22 2016 03:04 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here.
If you do, please do tell.

Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.

One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.

The problem is why does Superbia make that play then?
Cake was not scumread, Superbia was not scumread by anyone except me.
Why not shoot me and be townread instead of making a play you don't even know will succeed?
table for two on a tv tray
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 21 2016 18:09 GMT
#572
Bah sorry for this kind of try hardness, I'm kinda angry on myself cuz i was sure of my read and did nothing to convince u guys to lynch Super D1 so im trying to make up for it
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 21 2016 18:09 GMT
#573
if yamato was double shot that has

4 town
2 mafia

in d1 lylo...that's a 1 in 3 chance of landing on mafia randomly and town has to be fairly coordinated/agreed on who they're going to lynch?

like yeah super was acting scummy you're right but he chose to, skynx. it wasn't until he came out hard-defending yamato and pushing the let's lynch rayn idea that a lot of people started wanting to lynch him, unless i'm misremembering?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2016 18:09 GMT
#574
Superbia clearly never read the discussion we had about who to shoot and why.
table for two on a tv tray
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 21 2016 18:11 GMT
#575
On June 22 2016 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 03:04 Skynx wrote:
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here.
If you do, please do tell.

Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.

One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.

The problem is why does Superbia make that play then?
Cake was not scumread, Superbia was not scumread by anyone except me.
Why not shoot me and be townread instead of making a play you don't even know will succeed?

How does shooting you gives towncred? Super was scumread by three including me you n tina, Shape likely to vote Super aswell beacuase of earlier beef.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2016 18:12 GMT
#576
Like we get your point Skynx, and it is logically sound.
I just don't think it's the correct explanation here.
table for two on a tv tray
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 21 2016 18:13 GMT
#577
On June 22 2016 03:11 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 22 2016 03:04 Skynx wrote:
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here.
If you do, please do tell.

Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.

One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.

The problem is why does Superbia make that play then?
Cake was not scumread, Superbia was not scumread by anyone except me.
Why not shoot me and be townread instead of making a play you don't even know will succeed?

How does shooting you gives towncred? Super was scumread by three including me you n tina, Shape likely to vote Super aswell beacuase of earlier beef.


no? my scumreads were cop and yamato...super's we should vig shot rayn as scariest town line was where i flipped
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2016 18:13 GMT
#578
On June 22 2016 03:11 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 22 2016 03:04 Skynx wrote:
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here.
If you do, please do tell.

Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.

One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.

The problem is why does Superbia make that play then?
Cake was not scumread, Superbia was not scumread by anyone except me.
Why not shoot me and be townread instead of making a play you don't even know will succeed?

How does shooting you gives towncred? Super was scumread by three including me you n tina, Shape likely to vote Super aswell beacuase of earlier beef.

He was not scumread before he started attacking me. As i said before, if what you suggested is the correct explanation that's when the play is on already (Superbia wanting to get shot). That's why it doesn't make sense to me, because at that time i was the only person scumreading him.
table for two on a tv tray
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 21 2016 18:15 GMT
#579
anyway lol yeah rayn is right i should drop it, too -stretches- i don't really think that it's cake but i just want to ask you if you're very sure, rayn? cause yeah if it's skynx he's playing scum excellently here lol >< so i don't think i'm ever going to vote him
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 21 2016 18:16 GMT
#580
Well i don't think we're getting anywhere
Voting Shapelog and getting drunk hihi
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
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