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On May 28 2016 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: What, people? /sitout, MSPaint game seems like not happening anyways. MSPaint game?! I LOVE MSPaint. | ||
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On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: PREGAME READS 1) Emperorchampion - the rare legit newbie 2) Skynx - nothing like sweet sweet newbie 3) QuickTwist - forum mafia world traveler. Super pro, but new to this site. 4)sqrtofneg1 - why is this guy even a newbie? I've played with him before. 5) blkcoffee - kinda like QT in that he's played at other sites, but he doesn't seem like he's going to be as active 6) Jealous - 2 game newbie. from his posts so far, he looks like he's gonna be a lurker. We should PLYNCH d1. Venturing Vets 1) beentheredonethat - why is this guy under vets? he seems really delightful though. I want to be his friend. 2) Tumblewood - kind of a meany. 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - if he looks scummy, he's town. if he looks townie, he's scum. 4) darthfoley - slot please me mine 5) Superbia - so last game he bussed hard and made this awesome case against his team mate. be wary of this dirty buser. 6) FecalFeast - disgusting 7)Ticktock - not sure what the difference between this guy and tumblewood is. both names start with t and both play low to moderate activity. I think this is going to be a really slow game unless the newbs talk a lot. None of the vets are big talkers.  | ||
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On June 04 2016 06:44 QuickTwist wrote: GLHF. I sincerely hope I get my ass handed to me. DarthPunk told me the competition here is good. If I am an above average players here, that is going to not reflect very well on this community. You have been warned. I am not very good at this game. False humble metagame strong | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:08 Superbia wrote: Wow I'm already pocketed. Nice. Good job calling me town. I like that. I may be inclined to call you town too at some later stage. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/collusion | ||
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It could mean that your playful tete-a-tete in the early stages of Day 1 could be a means to generate posts, thus aiming to remove any suspicion placed upon you for inactivity when one clicks your posting summary, and could be a means to suggest that you are both green or blue. Both of these aims could signify the opposite. | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: Never mind I just saw this stellar vote in the other thread: Which i'm gonna sheep. ##Unvote ##Vote: MoosyDoosy Rules forbid you from voting for yourself. | ||
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Not at all. It is the most suspect thing I've seen in this thread so far. | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote: Usually it's NAI (wow these pro acronyms, amirite). Depends on the person.  I spam as either alignment.That's a convenient strategy, but why would a newcomer to TL Mafia whom I imagine you have no prior experience with respond in the same manner besides collusion? | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote: Jealous what alignment did you hope to get? My expectations were mixed in that I simultaneously did not want to be important because I would then be under a lot of pressure to perform my duties up to a certain standard, but I also did want to have some sway in the outcome of the game beyond just words and analysis. I am satisfied with my role. How about you? | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: So guys, what are your thoughts on CRISPR technology? I did a presentation on it recently and it's a tool to edit genes/DNA. Just interested in your thoughts. If we refine our knowledge of CRISPR we can basically cure genetic diseases and make all mosquitoes male so they don't bite humans and spread shit like malaria, Zika, etc. Common genetic diseases include Tay-Sachs Disease, Down Syndrome, forms of cancer, Parkinson's Disease, etc. So we can cure millions of lives. On the other hand, we can change the cosmetic appearances of our children at will like height, eye color, hair color. Not to mention increase physical capabilities. So supersoldiers aren't far off. The problem I have with this is that people will try to fit a social stereotype of an attractive appearance which is harmful for people's conceptions of themselves. Not to mention it creates a division between the rich and poor since editing embryos requires in vitro fertilization which is an expensive process. Also, there's the issue of personhood with embryos. Should we be allowed to edit embryos? Are they "people" yet at an embryonic stage or until they're born and develop thought? What about as a fetus when their brain starts developing or they start feeling pain? All questions to think about. So what are your thoughts? Pro-CRISPR or anti-CRISPR? :3 Embryos are not people. Even babies are barely people, in my opinion. I am for this, because it is the new age of survival of the fittest. In a liberal society that has welfare and other such bottom-raising measures, the average human being's genetic health is on the decline. People who would have died in the 18th century are procreating, not to mention people that would have died during the formative epochs of our species. Genetic modification is the next step to ensuring that those who either by lottery or hard work have the means by which to ensure a better future for their progeny, and thus a healthier for mankind. Fiscal natural selection is our species' next bottleneck and our savior. | ||
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Confirmation bias is attributing new information as support for preconceived notions. I am using only one piece of information as support for a notion that was conceived as a result of this information and not any prior interpretation I had of you or Superbia (of which there was none, as I know none of you). | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:31 Superbia wrote: Stop using thesaurus jesus. I assume that's directed at me. Does my verbosity intimidate you? It shouldn't, because I only aim to benefit the town, and my analysis of words and their use (as part of my job) should of benefit here. | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:32 Superbia wrote: Jealous which between myself and quicky is more suspicious? Going to say that I believe you are equally suspicious in my eyes as you are both players in the same potential scheme. If we forget your high posting volume and only consider the content, I would say your conversation with him and his consequent assertion that I am a townie are contributing factors. While the latter statement is true, the only sure way to know who is townie or not is by being mafia at this point, and to soften the revelation with the word "read" is a simple tactic to avoid suspicion and to potentially win allies in people whom QT knows is town. | ||
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It's better to try and fail than not try at all. | ||
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I often skip words when I type and have to edit them in later, but because the rules do not allow for editing, my post quality is dropping ): As an editor, this rule is the hardest to work around. | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:37 QuickTwist wrote: Sup, I don't know if you are just really good at this game or a pretty dumb scum tbh. ![[image loading]](http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/aoz8kgx8pzknypz7z38n.jpg) | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:46 Tumblewood wrote: tryhard newbie + Show Spoiler [*cough cough*] + jealous With no clues to work off of and only the content of a few early posters to analyze, I don't think my behavior is suspicious in the slightest and you're trying to cast shade on someone you may know is townie. I played my last two TL Mafia games in 2008, in which I was townie and then mafia, in both of which I tried pretty hard by my reckoning. Here are the summaries for full disclosure since they were on a different account: Townie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/67925-tl-mafia-2-gg?user=fanatacist Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/80975-tl-mafia-3-night-5?user=fanatacist | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:49 QuickTwist wrote: Lets think about this for a moment. What's the only way someone can prove their role in this game? I'll give you a hint: Its against the rules. There are two ways, and the other is by the noose. | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote: If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? That's fine, they are there for anyone who is curious, and were presented solely as some substantive evidence against Tumblewood's flimsy read. What I think of Quick town-reading me so early is that he is that he is potentially trying to make allies among people he would know are confirmed townie, because he is mafia. Or, in retrospect, as my first post in response to him and Superbia was more or less stating that I found their behavior suspicious, he aims to pass that suspicion onto me by making it seem like I am in cohorts with them, or something. The fact that he is a newcomer to TL Mafia may have something to do with the fact that he is playing, in my opinion, fast and dangerous. | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:59 Superbia wrote: This game is actually going decently well. I'll lurk for a bit since dnd is starting soon. Kindly carry on. Shade is cast in your direction and you exeunt stage left. Interesting. On the one hand, it might be a better strategy than vehemently arguing your innocence. On the other hand, that might be exactly why you did it even if you are not innocent. | ||
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On June 04 2016 09:01 Superbia wrote: Tumble you're not playing your town meta. You might want to change that before anyone else notices. No editing posts, as I have learned to my detriment. | ||
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On June 04 2016 09:06 QuickTwist wrote: I think Jealous is town >.< I will confirm that I am town (again) but I don't see why you need to keep stating this. | ||
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On June 04 2016 09:10 QuickTwist wrote: I thought you were going to go play D&D. What happened to that? Did you get high or something? Well, that went 0-100 pretty quickly and for no reason as far as I can tell. Dodgy answer, trying to cast shade on another... | ||
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On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote: This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up. I agree that I may be making mountains out of molehills, and you are also right in saying that we need to know why the molehill was constructed in the first place. However, with no pertinent explanation available, it is my inclination to lean scum on QuickTwist. | ||
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On June 04 2016 09:17 Tumblewood wrote: mmmph jealous I read your filters from the other two games you've played. + Show Spoiler [please see diagram] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TcornjZ.png) the notable difference I found was that you tended more towards crazy theories and casting suspicion as mafia than as town. One of the advantages or disadvantages of being a non-native speaker is that I've learned many words that are more accurate to my intention but are unwieldy for native speakers. Another contributing factor is that when my fingers are on the keyboard, I enter some parallel mindset of "must make this Ivy League - level" because of my job. As a mafia in that game, after re-reading my own posts, I've come to the conclusion that I fucked up and tried to be too vehement in my defense and my counter-arguments were all stretches of the imagination. It was the text translation of desperation once I became suspected. | ||
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Or seeding disinformation and confusion. | ||
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Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies. | ||
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Not sure what you're +1 on, the plight of a foreign English speaker who teaches and revises English writing or that of a Mafia who over-extends under pressure?? | ||
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On June 04 2016 09:30 Tumblewood wrote: I don't want to get into an irrelevant argument like this during the game but don't worry I'll surely have enough pent-up irritation to blast you about it post-game ![[image loading]](http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/tumblr_md42dow0sv1r5x5zu-300x198.gif) | ||
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On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote: you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes". Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection. | ||
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On June 04 2016 09:33 Tumblewood wrote: +1 means "I second this" in Internet-land I also would not say that QT not directly answering your pressure indicates that he is scum. Yes, I am curious as to what he is seconding, because there are two focal points in my post and one of them is oddly specific and relatively irrelevant to the game whereas the other is highly relevant and damning. | ||
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On June 04 2016 09:35 QuickTwist wrote: yeah, and really really super obvious as well. Knowing nothing about you or your play style and only judging from the content that you present, it's logical to use Ockham's razor and go with the most obvious explanation. You continue to dodge post after post, question after question, and only cast doubt upon the analysis of others by trying to debase them without any substance whatsoever. | ||
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On June 04 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote: the folly in this is that no one "protects themselves from further inspection" by posting images instead of responses, nor is that "key for scum to do". qt should not be afraid of the pressure you are putting on him because it is weak pressure (in the sense that it is convincing no one else) and it does not help him avoid inspection. Jumping to the defense? I'm just pressuring him to answer questions that others have asked him, to which he has given no real response. Is Mafia the type of game where someone can get away with jumping into it gung-ho, pointing fingers and making calls, and have no response to any questioning as to why those claims were made? That seems to me the antithesis of this game. | ||
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On June 04 2016 09:37 NocturneMage wrote: Vote Count: Day 1 MoosyDoosy (1): Superbia Superbia (1): QuickTwist sqrtofneg1 (1): nnn_thekushmountains QuickTwist (0): Not Voting (10): emperorchampion, Skynx, sqrtofneg1, blkcoffee, Jealous, beentheredonethat, Tumblewood, MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, Tictock Currently MoosyDoosy will be executed. Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. So far the most interesting vote is kushmountains', in my opinion. He is aiming at inactives less than 2 hours into a game. | ||
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On June 04 2016 09:43 QuickTwist wrote: You know what I think? I think you should hold off your judgement until you DO know my playstyle. Or maybe you can answer some questions and show your play style through analysis and not through mindless macros and unsubstantiated claims. | ||
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On June 04 2016 09:31 Jealous wrote: Not sure what you're +1 on, the plight of a foreign English speaker who teaches and revises English writing or that of a Mafia who over-extends under pressure?? May I ask for a textual response to this or am I just begging for another meme? | ||
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On June 04 2016 10:05 QuickTwist wrote: Sure. I'll explain it cuz you lack subtlety. The guy in question is complete Null right now and its not a good look for you to be acting like you have a scum read on him already. He has done nothing alignment indicative and as such is the type of player who is going to be caught trying to defend his scummates or will crumble because his team is in a bad way if he is scum. That's why your pressure on him right now doesn't mean shit. I fail to see the connection between your reasoning and the question; what did you +1 on? | ||
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On June 04 2016 10:05 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: guys, sqrtneg1 he was here and active when it was just "hello wassup" but when people started talking actual content, he disappeared. Whereas you contributed what exactly? | ||
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EBWOP Hyper-active in the pre-game, come Day 1 and you have what, 2 or 3 posts to your name over the course of 10 pages? | ||
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On June 04 2016 10:21 QuickTwist wrote: That he is an educated person who knows his english and you assumed he was just a tryhard. Sorry I thought you were looking for a game related response. Er, I think you may want to re-look at the post sequence. I believe you have the name to message relationship mixed up. | ||
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Still have yet to answer the question, unless the answer is that you just misread the posts you were responding to in the first place. | ||
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On June 04 2016 11:00 QuickTwist wrote: ##Vote: Tumblewood I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509798-newbie-student-mafia-xxi-voting-thread#12 ?? | ||
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You say one thing but do another, despite the fact that finding the discrepancy is stupidly easy. Either you're scum or just... How can I put this nicely... A very individualistic and selfish townie. Either way, I think the game would be better off without you. | ||
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On June 04 2016 11:15 Jealous wrote: You say one thing but do another, despite the fact that finding the discrepancy is stupidly easy. Either you're scum or just... How can I put this nicely... A very individualistic and selfish townie. Either way, I think the game would be better off without you. EBWOP http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509798-newbie-student-mafia-xxi-voting-thread#13 | ||
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On June 04 2016 11:25 Tumblewood wrote: said the player who gave out four townreads in the first half hour of the game I think you should be getting towncred because the way you are acting is totally unlike how newbie scums tend to act You have to remember that he is not new to Mafia, just new to TL Mafia. That being said, knowing that he is an experienced player only throws more confusion into the mix when considering his posts and actions. Confusion is not good for a town win, in my opinion. On June 04 2016 11:25 QuickTwist wrote: I agree! The game would totally be better without me. Why change things up amirite? This makes no sense. | ||
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On June 04 2016 11:27 Tumblewood wrote: wait what qt why did you vote ("vote") me in this thread and then vote sqrt in the voting thread? what do you mean by that? The only outside theory I have, if I may, is again collusion. He voted for one player. He then changes his vote to another player, while possibly trying to slip by the fact that he actually voted for yet another player, one that only has any votes from kushmountain, a player whose defense for the lack of activity and analysis in comparison to his previous posting style was simply "I was at work so I had more free time," which should be bullshit to begin with. As I see it, there are two interpretations here: 1. QuickTwist is a free radical, a wildcard, and for that reason he is dangerous to the town. He does not respond to questioning with any substance, makes unsubstantiated claims, and he intentionally misleads the other town members. Maybe he just doesn't care. Regardless of the underlying cause, he should be lynched because even a townie of his character is detrimental to the town simply because of the chaos he propagates. 2. QuickTwist is Mafia, and potentially so is kushmountain. Being new to TL Mafia, QuickTwist acted rashly and had to backtrack after some further coordination with the veteran player. This means he is scum, and is detrimental to the town, and should be lynched. I fail to see any other alternative. | ||
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On June 04 2016 11:41 Tumblewood wrote: of course this is a crude summary, but the vibe I get from this post is, "QT acts irrationally, and therefore he is probably mafia," which is a poor basis for a scumread, because town players frequently act irrationally. QT has actually been the single most helpful person to town so far, regardless of alignment, because he has sparked quality discussion and remained active all game so far. Your summary of my summary is not accurate. A more accurate summary would be "QuickTwist acts irrationally, therefore is a detriment to the town, regardless of his actual affiliation." Activity is not a metric here, because the majority of his activity as far as I can tell has been vague, full of memes, and as I've said countless times, unsubstantiated. The few posts of his which do have some sort of value I think I could count on one hand. A scum player would follow this posting pattern - inconclusive, divisive, and substance-less posts that detract from any actual analysis. You've also ignored the fact that his vote does not reflect anything he has said in the thread, and that sqrtofneg1 has done nothing to gain the amount of suspicion necessary for two people to vote for him. Hence, I suspect collusion and that QuickTwist and possibly kushmountain are scum, but in the end I am only certain that I don't think QuickTwist will actually benefit the town whether he is scum or not, so I voted for him. | ||
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On June 04 2016 11:44 Tumblewood wrote: also jealous what do you mean by collusion? I don't need a dictionary definition, but the word would imply that a townie is working to help the scum, which is surely not your intent. I may know what you mean as "buddying"-- do you mean that a scum is working to gain the trust of a townie by townreading him? My initial statement of collusion was to imply that it appeared like two scum are engaging in seemingly playful banter and thus eliminate the chance of either of them being called out for inactivity, while not-so-subtly hinting at each other being townies and thus not the scum that they very well may be. "Buddying" could be what QuickTwist was doing after this in regards to myself and other posters, by calling townies whom he well knows are townies but with no evidence in order to give them a window of acceptance that could potentially cause them to trust him and support him. | ||
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On June 04 2016 11:54 QuickTwist wrote: You both have valid points. However, what is the motivation to kill me off if I am Town? This is a question that has been heavy on me heart for a little while now and I would really like to hear your rationale for why killing a Townie is ever a good idea. A townie acting in a manner such as you have, which is: "inconclusive, divisive, and substance-less posts that detract from any actual analysis" and not answering direct questions which would be rather innocuous if you were not scum or answering in a misleading fashion means that through your play you have demonstrated that you would serve no value to the town whether you are scum or not. Even if you have a PR and it is valuable to the town, your posting game is detrimental to the point where I'd rather take the chance that you are in fact scum and that your role is not in fact in important. The chances of you being scum are higher than the chances of you being valuable, and the chances of you being valuable in text form, judging by the past 10 pages or so, are low as well. Therefore, you are the most valid candidate for lynching in my view and I have yet to see you say anything that would prove me wrong. On June 04 2016 11:55 QuickTwist wrote: This claim is not based on evidence, but on conjecture. This game has no clues so all claims are based on conjecture. | ||
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On June 04 2016 12:00 QuickTwist wrote: I notice you are strong in claim that I make the best lynch today. But you fail to see that I have provided content to talk about (we are talking about it right now in fact). When the content you provide largely revolves around yourself, have you contributed to anything but the criticism of your actions and thus your own demise? Compare this to the content of my posts, which is questioning people about their actions and intentions. Providing content to talk about is useless if you are only generating hot air. Volume does not imply quality. | ||
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On June 04 2016 12:01 Tumblewood wrote: going to take a break until I inevitably get bored and come back playing this game is just not fun for me right now because the only two active players are on (what I see as) the wrong track and set in it. feels like I'm talking to a brick wall. I answered your questions and don't see any reason why my deductions are false, so I don't know why I should be judged for being "set in" my track or why anything you've said should derail me. | ||
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On June 04 2016 12:09 QuickTwist wrote: you would have to provide evidence that the ratio of keeping me if I am town with my playstyle vs lynching me if I am town with my playstyle is +EV. If You can demonstrate concretely that lynching me because of my playstyle ie Policy Lynch is better for town that not then I might change my game plan up a little. You would further have to provide evidence that I will remain to have "inconclusive, divisive, and substance-less posts that detract from any actual analysis" throughout the entirety of the game and that I would not have the ability to be an asset to town. If this game has no clues then we are basically just playing mental masterbation with ourselve in a very circle jerk type fashion. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/508622-newbie-mafia-xxi#3 Chance of you being scum, excluding myself from the equation because I know that I am not scum = 3/12 = 1/4 Chance of you being blue = 2/12 = 1/6 Chance of you being a truly valuable PR blue like the doc, cop, or vigilante = 3/4 Chance of you being useful to the town without considering your textual input = 1/6 * 3/4 = 3/24 = 1/8 Therefore the chances of you being scum as opposed to a valuable blue are 2:1. This does not include my admittedly subjective but still substantiated claim that your value as a talking head in this game so far is low, so I won't go into that because it is impossible to quantify but it certainly is possible for me to say is my opinion. I could do a post-by-post analysis of your history in this thread and determine how many of your posts were a waste of time and space and how many actually contributed something, but I've already read all of them once and don't have the desire to do so again just to make a fraction in this post for your amusement. In response to your latter statement, if that's how you want to paraphrase it then that's up to you, but without official clues from the OP I don't see how you could have expected anything different than what we have now. On June 04 2016 12:10 QuickTwist wrote: yes, and where has that gotten you exactly? Its gotten you to the place where you would rather lynch a known townie. "Known" townie? Please, don't throw that term around casually as if anything has been confirmed about you through a cop or otherwise. It's gotten me to the place where I've singled out the most suspicious player in my eyes and allowed me to cast a vote, pending further investigation and activity from others. This is not a policy kill, unless you are in fact townie are not playing to win as is stated in the rules in the OP, which I certainly do not think you are so far. | ||
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On June 04 2016 12:40 QuickTwist wrote: LOL at your math. You have to carry over not simplify for it to even be remotely valid. Plus, what you are meaning with your math is essentially the exactly same numbers for everyone (if you are infact town, which is kinda hilarious because when you give yourself a given that you are town anyone can make up those numbers). I had a math teacher once tell me something that I think you might enjoy. He said "When you make up your own rules for math it becomes infinitely easier, but that does not mean it is correct." you cannot quantify what is considered "content" because the term is subjective in nature rather than concrete. You said yourself that this game is based on no clues so if that is true then your claim that there is even such thing as optimal play gets thrown out the window. Anyway I don't think you can fake this as scum since iirc people would know your meta so the only one you would be deceiving is me. Carry over? Not simplify? I didn't simplify anything nor did I make up any rules. What? My math is legit, and yes I am working off of the knowledge that I myself am not scum. You are correct in saying that this math applies to anyone currently in the game, which is exactly why you are a worthwhile vote because unlike others your posting habits are inconsistent and your voting is intentionally misleading. If on Day 1 all we are doing is taking a stab in the dark, I'd rather face towards the one light source I do see. As you said and I said before you, I cannot quantify content because it is subjective. However, I can make a damn good case if need be. There may be optimal play here, but there is certainly sub-par play. I don't think anyone "knows my meta" because I haven't played mafia in 8 years, so unless someone does a very thorough investigation of my posts when I was 18 years old and finds some parallels that I would still consequently dismiss as pure imagination, I am going to say that your opinions on my alignment are moot, especially given that you contradict yourself within 2 posts. | ||
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On June 04 2016 12:56 QuickTwist wrote: This is turning into some stupid pedantry. I gave you what you want: I contributed in a way that you feel is relevant and you are still arguing for my lynch. And that's good to know that no one has meta on you because that means I can still have a scum read on you. At this point, you are right in implying that this will not go any further, so let's allow some people to catch up with this line of discussion. Cheers. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509798-newbie-student-mafia-xxi-voting-thread#13 Need to [b]##unvote If I'm not mistaken. | ||
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On June 04 2016 15:30 Tictock wrote: Pfft, I think I can stop reading @ pg 20 kus I already solved this. Gunna go play a little more overwatch and see if anyone is around a bit later, but I prob picked a bad time to be active. Not spoiling my reads till tomorrow. Why not? You should share what you have so that people who come into the thread while you sleep have something to work off of and discuss, no? | ||
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"QuickTwist" is certainly fitting for at least your assessment of my alignment. | ||
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Probably because of analytic facility for a bot or something. Regardless, it's a rule so you should follow it or risk looking even more suspect because of the fact that you refuse to follow basic guidelines for play. | ||
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On June 04 2016 16:02 Tictock wrote: Oh hey, I didn't realize you were Russian Jealous. Thats cool, got a fair bit of ancestry from Russia on my dad's side. ... also a bit of a rare breed on the mafia forums (fairly UK and US dominated) Cheers! On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote: ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2 or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. Even molehills seem like mountains when there is no reference point - in other words, no other leads to go by. Glad you are open about your personal bias against words longer than 5 letters. Should I assume you fall into the redneck category on that scale of yours? | ||
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On June 04 2016 16:49 blkcoffee wrote: I have work soon and I can't bring myself to read through all of Jesus's huge posts. I'll be back in the evening. Let Jesus into your life, my friend. Don't let fear get in the way of faith. If you want to read one post that summarizes my stance on Day 1 so far, it would be this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/508622-newbie-mafia-xxi?page=27#521 The rest is bickering, clarification, etc. | ||
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On June 04 2016 19:09 beentheredonethat wrote: Also, following up on Tumblewood's post about QT and Jealous: if I simply follow the reads that I did so far without looking at Jealous' filter (which I haven't done yet), my logical conclusion should be that Jealous is scum. Here is my thought process about that: 1. I townread Tumblewood. 2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum. 3. I townread QT. That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed. I'm not going to argue with what you've already admitted is highly conditional reasoning, but if your faith in Tumblewood is so great then you should check this post: On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote: ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2 or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. In here he says that his suspicion lies on QuickTwist, which somewhat debunks your line of reasoning because your townreads would be only 50% accurate. | ||
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On June 04 2016 19:49 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Qt and jealous. Activity is good to an extent but you guys are being really anti town with your one on one spam. No one is going to read it. Pleaase consolidate your points and talk stop just talking to each other, I was met with the same criticism not long ago and made this post an hour ago: On June 04 2016 18:18 Jealous wrote: If you want to read one post that summarizes my stance on Day 1 so far, it would be this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/508622-newbie-mafia-xxi?page=27#521 The rest is bickering, clarification, etc. Whether you read the rest or not is up to you and your level of dedication. I was simply pursuing what I find to be a legitimate lead, which has led me to construct the following points on why I believe QT is a good vote for Day 1:: 1. QT's posts, on average, lack substance (failing to answer questions, using memes as answers, dodgy responses in general, no analysis presented to substantiate claims). 2. QT voted for one person, then claimed to vote for another in this thread while making a vote post in the voting thread that did not corroborate his verbal stance, all while not even using the proper format for unvoting so therefore there is a strong possibility that he is intentionally misleading people. There are more but I don't want to be too long-winded yet again. | ||
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On June 04 2016 19:53 Jealous wrote: I'm not going to argue with what you've already admitted is highly conditional reasoning, but if your faith in Tumblewood is so great then you should check this post: In here he says that his suspicion lies on QuickTwist, which somewhat debunks your line of reasoning because your townreads would be only 50% accurate. EBWOP 33% accurate if you consider your analysis on Superbia, which I found to be factually faulty as he most certainly does not have a post on every page. | ||
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On June 04 2016 20:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I really don't care if you wrote a summary. What you are doing now is bad for town. People are going to be discouraged to read the whole game and it's going to be harder to get a read on those people. Not every one has as much free time as you. Too much writing. Especially because it's mostly 1v1. So you don't care that I've summarized pages of information that may prove useful into one post and shared it, therefore presenting you with information that is relevant to the game in a concise fashion so you don't have to read the volume of posts that you complain about. Okay. Maybe one day us mere mortals will be worthy of your time but I guess today is not that day. | ||
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On June 04 2016 20:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: No one is going to even find that post. It's a needle in a haystack. For me it's irrelevant because we aren't lynching either of you today. Except I just linked it twice now so that it's readily available. I don't see why lynching QuickTwist is not an option, but perhaps you don't see why it is one because you don't bother to read one or two posts I guess. It's doubly interesting because it also concerns you. | ||
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On June 05 2016 01:41 emperorchampion wrote: So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel. I was trying to pressure QuickTwist since he seemed the most suspect to me and also the least useful. I got what I wanted in that venture. | ||
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On June 05 2016 01:45 emperorchampion wrote: Filter diving, I like the term  To be honest, with regards to filter diving, I'm just not really sure the best way to play the game, so I'm trying things to see what works out. I'm enjoying your posts | ||
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On June 05 2016 02:08 beentheredonethat wrote: That plus your EBWOP is a great pick and shows exactly the problem I have with that scumread. My read is a bit too weak to justify a vote. Well, so according to thekushmountains, MoosyDoosy "always plays like this" if town? Can anyone point me to some games that he played or at least confirm what thekushmountains said? Although, I'm not buying into it yet: while meta reads can be very potent, they are always a bit fragile since it's easily possible to "play for his own meta" to appear as the opposite alignment. Reading MoosyDoosy, no offense, feels like listening to the unordered thoughts of a child: open to distractions, not focusing on anything, whatever. From my experience, players that have such a playstyle mainly want to stay unreadable and are very unstable in terms of activity levels. Well long story short, if MoosyDoosy is currently indeed playing to his town meta, it renders my arguments obsolete. Going full circle, back to Jealous: This is a very good question from Superbia which solidifies my town read on him even further. However Jealous' answer feels really scummy to me, so I want to point that out. IMHO, the purpose of this question is to be able to get a tone read on the questioned person. If the person admits that he's disappointed in his role or alignment, that information can be used to further analyse the posts that happened until now. So, imagine you're scum, and you're being asked that question. You don't know if there is a "right" (town indicative) or "wrong" answer, do you? Well, I don't. So you cannot answer that question clearly. Jealous is not answering that question clearly. If I would have been asked that question, I'd have answered "scum" (or, tbh, "neutral"), because I prefer being the one being searched for instead of reading carefully through stuff and identifying/guessing inconsistencies, blatant lies, and busses. The only intention behind Jealous' answer could be to hide that he's actually glad that he rolled scum and that this is the reason of his high activity level. Jealous, can you answer Superbia's question more clearly? What is your stance on Tictock and QuickTwist (there's a specific reason why I ask for this read which I'll tell after the answer)? I don't know if it's possible to answer more clearly, simply because I didn't have any concrete expectations going into this. I wasn't sure if I could play up to par; I knew it might be detrimental to the game if I got a key role and couldn't perform intelligently. I rolled town and I am satisfied with my roll. | ||
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On June 05 2016 02:08 beentheredonethat wrote: That plus your EBWOP is a great pick and shows exactly the problem I have with that scumread. My read is a bit too weak to justify a vote. Well, so according to thekushmountains, MoosyDoosy "always plays like this" if town? Can anyone point me to some games that he played or at least confirm what thekushmountains said? Although, I'm not buying into it yet: while meta reads can be very potent, they are always a bit fragile since it's easily possible to "play for his own meta" to appear as the opposite alignment. Reading MoosyDoosy, no offense, feels like listening to the unordered thoughts of a child: open to distractions, not focusing on anything, whatever. From my experience, players that have such a playstyle mainly want to stay unreadable and are very unstable in terms of activity levels. Well long story short, if MoosyDoosy is currently indeed playing to his town meta, it renders my arguments obsolete. Going full circle, back to Jealous: This is a very good question from Superbia which solidifies my town read on him even further. However Jealous' answer feels really scummy to me, so I want to point that out. IMHO, the purpose of this question is to be able to get a tone read on the questioned person. If the person admits that he's disappointed in his role or alignment, that information can be used to further analyse the posts that happened until now. So, imagine you're scum, and you're being asked that question. You don't know if there is a "right" (town indicative) or "wrong" answer, do you? Well, I don't. So you cannot answer that question clearly. Jealous is not answering that question clearly. If I would have been asked that question, I'd have answered "scum" (or, tbh, "neutral"), because I prefer being the one being searched for instead of reading carefully through stuff and identifying/guessing inconsistencies, blatant lies, and busses. The only intention behind Jealous' answer could be to hide that he's actually glad that he rolled scum and that this is the reason of his high activity level. Jealous, can you answer Superbia's question more clearly? What is your stance on Tictock and QuickTwist (there's a specific reason why I ask for this read which I'll tell after the answer)? Sorry, forgot to answer your follow-up questions: 1. Tictock, I don't find him to be suspicious. Leaning towards townie but can't be certain. 2. QuickTwist, he's inconsistent, deceitful, and therefore he is either a) a player that is a detriment to the town even if he is a townie or b) scum. I voted to lynch him today. | ||
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On June 05 2016 02:11 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Something came up. Sorry. /replace That's unfortunate, but we should not ignore who voted for sqrtofneg1. Perhaps I'm forgetting something, but is there any justification forthcoming from kushmountains, QuickTwist, or Tumblewood for trying to lynch sqrtofneg1? | ||
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On June 05 2016 02:25 Tumblewood wrote: I don't like this "detriment to the town even if he is a townie" sentiment... what is that supposed to mean? If he is a townie, he is not detrimental to the town unless he causes us to lynch him. What is he doing? "Sowing seeds of confusion?" He's not undermining anyone, confusing anyone, he's just playing the game. Either call him scum or call him town, but don't say you'd lynch him if he's town because that's totally backwards. Let me be clear, I have the greatest suspicion of him being scum of anyone else in the thread so far, that is the main reason for my vote. However, my argument is that even if he flips town, then he was behaving in a way that is counterproductive to the town. Namely, he makes unsubstantiated reads, fake votes in this thread, and dodges questions. Thus, I''m doubly willing to take the chance on a Day 1 read and voted for him. Seems others feel the same way. | ||
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On June 05 2016 02:30 Jealous wrote: Let me be clear, he is the most suspicious person in my eyes so far, that is the main reason for my vote. However, my argument is that even if he flips town, then he was behaving in a way that is counterproductive to the town. Namely, he makes unsubstantiated reads, fake votes in this thread, and dodges questions. Thus, I''m doubly willing to take the chance on a Day 1 read and voted for him. Seems others feel the same way. EBWOP; Phrasing | ||
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On June 05 2016 02:30 Tumblewood wrote: I want a policy-lynch today (basically, lynching someone who is AFK), because I think that the active players will make their alignments clear as the game progresses and that the inactive players will remain coinflips throughout the game. Also, in newbie games, scum is lynched 16% of the time on D1 when random lynching would lynch scum 25% of the time (source: the database). I would rather lynch someone who is 50/50 inactive townie / scum than someone who is 50/50 active townie / scum. Sqrtofneg1 is perhaps the worst of the lurkers to lynch now that he is getting a replacement, but I would like to lynch someone inactive today. This makes sense, and if I didn't have my strong suspicions, I would agree with this plan. However, it is interesting for me to note how early people voted for sqrtofneg1 even though there were other inactives. So, you joined the vote against sqrtofneg1 to join QuickTwist and kushmountains, tying him for votes with QuickTwist. Also interesting. | ||
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On June 05 2016 03:00 beentheredonethat wrote: Okay. My purpose in this question was basically to be able to compare a read you've given by voting to a read that cannot be really existing. Your stance on Tictock makes sense. Still fine with a MoosyDoosy or a policy lynch. I caught some threads here where MoosyDoosy is playing a similar style as he does now. However, if QT is a detriment to town, why isn't moosy? In your eyes, he should be, right? That's quite the inconsistency. You never asked me for my read on MoosyDoosy so I couldn't have been inconsistent, but since we're on the topic I do find his posting habits to be wildly inconsistent themselves. He hasn't been very active despite answering what felt like the first 10 posts in Day 1 all in 1 megapost. The major difference between Moosy and QuickTwist is that QuickTwist, as I say time and again, has been dodgy and intentionally misleading town. That is why he takes priority over Moosy for today's lynch. | ||
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On June 05 2016 03:12 Tumblewood wrote: "actually I didn't say anything earlier because you didn't ask me, but that reminds me that I've been scumreading moosy for some time now" no me gusta To be honest, I haven't given Moosy much thought since he has been inactive and hasn't created much content. Not really a scum read, more like a potential policy lynch candidate? I haven't found or said I've found anything directly suspicious in his posts, and I never said I've suspected him for some time lol. Reading comprehension. | ||
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On June 05 2016 06:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: The difference is I try to be annoying, vague, terrible, and disgusting at the game on purpose. That is, unless QuickTwist is trying to be all these things too. Why? Facade so it would be harder to read you? | ||
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On June 05 2016 09:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: Well, it's supposed to be bait for D1 ya know? If you play bad,Mafia will go for you thinking you're an easy mislynch. Unfortunately it's just a case of low hanging fruit and I've had Mafia's go for me every game. :D This style's actually worked out every game I've used it in except for two. One where I nailed 2 Mafia on D1 but got lynched because a major town with a lot of pull said to kill me and the second where I was tunneled.  But regardless, town's managed to get a Mafia from my antics most of the time. Unfortunately, everyone in TL who's a veteran has pretty much wised up to my antics which means no one falls for my BS anymore. But I find it pretty fun so I just go ahead with the style anyway.So yeah, I guess it's a facade to make it difficult to read me but at this point every veteran can read me. I see. Too bad you've shown your hand to all the newcomers as well ^^ Stay safe! What does tunneled mean btw? | ||
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On June 05 2016 11:30 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: driving from maine to kentucky. please kill me. Try to enjoy it I used to like long drives like that, lots of introspect time. | ||
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On June 05 2016 12:02 MoosyDoosy wrote: I can't prove it unless I'm you but that's just the feeling I get. Players do it all the time to get others off their backs.As I said in my post, I understand why you would do something like that so that should say to you I've answered like that before. As for whether it's scummy or not, I did say it could be town struggling or scum so that's answered too.Yeah, there's no point in hiding my meta right now. It's my gimmick against vets but doesn't work against new players. It just distracts them which is a detriment especially with town players like beentheredonethat. tunneled means focusing on one person so much you can't see anything else and basically convince yourself that you're right. I see, thanks for the response. Seems like a pretty easy pit to fall into, haha. | ||
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On June 05 2016 14:12 QuickTwist wrote: This thread is completely dead. I'm curious about that too. I'd expect veteran players to be more active than this and applying at least a little pressure. However, I guess that without any flips or role results, there isn't much to work off of. | ||
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On June 05 2016 15:00 QuickTwist wrote: Maybe maybe not, but that's no excuse not to post. Also, it's around midnight-2 am in America, which is where most of the posters on this forum are from I'm guessing. | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:30 Jealous wrote: Confirmation bias is attributing new information as support for preconceived notions. I am using only one piece of information as support for a notion that was conceived as a result of this information and not any prior interpretation I had of you or Superbia (of which there was none, as I know none of you). I don't think people want to re-read this conversation which ended with you not responding to this. | ||
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On June 05 2016 18:50 QuickTwist wrote: I see no vote in the vote thread by you. Mind explaining? Bruh http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509798-newbie-student-mafia-xxi-voting-thread?page=2#23 | ||
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On June 05 2016 19:08 QuickTwist wrote: I didn't see there was a second page, herp derp. When viewing your posts, you can either go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/myposts.php And click on the grey arrow by the end of the thread name to jump to the most recent page, or http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/mythreads.php And click on the grey number in the parentheses to jump to the first post you have not yet seen in the thread. Both of these are on the top right of the site header, next to your account name (My Posts under your name, My Threads is the folder icon). | ||
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What's that? Inconclusive indicator of alignment?? <- Just a guess. On June 06 2016 02:47 QuickTwist wrote: So apparently, I am getting lynched today for giving town a shit ton of stuff to talk about. OK. That's a false generalization of the arguments presented against you and your defeatist tone reminds me of how I posted when I was Mafia in one of my games way back when. This post to me reads like a weak and desperate last-minute defense. | ||
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1. I think that a lot of people in this thread are grasping at straws right now, which is understandable because there isn't much to go off of on Day 1. I don't see any utterly clear alliances here as of yet. It seems like a lot of A thinks B is scum who thinks C is scum who thinks D is scum who thinks A is scum, or something of the like. 2. Given the seemingly inconclusive finger-pointing patters so far, we will have to wait to see the results of the lynch and who voted for whom as our next indicator. As of right now, if my hypothesis is correct and QT is scum, then the people who voted alongside him without much early justification would be kushmountains and Tumblewood, who have not changed their vote despite the player being changed out and I found their arguments for removing sqrt to be weak in the first place (inactivity plynch 2 hours into the game, if I recall correctly? on top of that, other people were just as inactive). This is the most alliance-y thing I can point at so far, but it's too early for me to concretely say I feel that they are scum. 3. Following this line of logic, I don't feel that the votes/inclinations on QT are indicative of a scum alliance because most people have shown their own reasons for voting for QT, most of which are valid, or at least more valid in my eyes than a Scott lynch. Of course, if QT flips town it is possible that one or two scum bandwagoned in order to ensure that he wins over Scott in the last voting push, but it will be hard to tell who. It's simply too early to speculate in specific terms about who would be scum or not in this hypothetical scenario, so I will wait until I see all of the votes and their results. 4. I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone, which is probably because I'm newbie. So far my "could be scum" list is: 1. Kushmountains 2. Tumblewood 3. Superbia (weak read on this, don't have much certainty at all) 4. Fecalfeast (too absent, regardless of whatever excuses he may have) and of course QT. Everyone else, as far as I can tell, is townie. Scott can be thrown up there as well for his relative inactivity but I don't think it's fair to judge as quickly because he only learned he was in the game less than 24 hours ago. | ||
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On June 06 2016 04:08 QuickTwist wrote: I told you not to confirmation bias, but you continue to do it nontheless. Very disappointing. That's a weak defense as well, because I called you on your false generalization, which is the contributing factor to my consequent line of reasoning. | ||
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On June 06 2016 04:26 Jealous wrote: Also, I would like to note that Superbia's unvote in the voting thread wasn't counted by the most recent vote count. Why is that? Did he use the wrong syntax?? Actually, he is just listed twice. EBWOP | ||
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On June 06 2016 04:43 Superbia wrote: I can't unvote. My vote is too strong for that. Jealous, who are your strongest towns? At the moment, my strongest town leanings are on Tictock and Skynx. I will have to re-read the past few pages again because I feel I may not have fully understood the scumreads other people have about them, but I found their posts to be constructive and deductive, and are simply people I feel I could work with as a town circle based on demeanor. I guess I will summarize these as largely gutreads. I don't think I'm as good at reading town as I am inclined to read scum, perhaps because I am prioritizing finding scum as opposed to finding town, which when I put it this way sounds like a strategy with some holes in it haha. | ||
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On June 06 2016 04:45 QuickTwist wrote: What if I said YOU could be scum if I turn out to be Town. Baseless you think? Honestly it is really freaking annoying you haven't re-evaluated your read on me and somehow everything I do is scummy to you. That is the definition of confirmation bias. So because you have chosen to no re-evaluate your read on me, even though my content has improved as the shit posting of day 1 decreases. can't help but think you are pushing an agenda. Claiming VT. ##Vote: Jealous Your only concrete argument as far as I recall is the one you just made, which is that I am pushing an agenda, so it's not entirely baseless. However, as objective as I can possibly be about this, I would have to say that your argument is weak. The majority of the town has read me as town, and for some that was a choice between scumreading me or you. I will concede that your posting has definitely improved since the first 24 hours. I see what you mean by confirmation bias now more clearly. I will justify by saying it is akin to how one approaches science: you formulate a hypothesis, run a test, gather some data, try to ascertain a conclusion. Then you present your article for peer review. So far peer review has corroborated my initial findings. The initial results will be put to the test after we see the flop. Although you claimed Blue PR since the first minutes of the game, which could've meant anything since you were shitposting a lot in that time, this is the first time you've claimed VT. MoosyDoosy also claimed VT, if I'm correct in assuming VT = Veteran, but his posting has been inconsistent too. I'm not saying this to make any sort of point, just doing stream of consciousness at the moment. I don't think it'd be wise of you to claim Blue PR if you actually were a Blue PR in the first minutes of the game, because scum would know that you are not scum, and thus when both the Day 1 lynch and the first scum kill are relative stabs in the dark, this seems like a poor strategy because it paints a target on your back. Of course, this could backfire and cause us to do scum's work for them, but I believe that there is no stronger case right now for anyone else and thus I will maintain my vote for you. | ||
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On June 06 2016 05:02 Fecalfeast wrote: VT is Vanilla Townie which makes his new claim more dubious imo Ah, oops. My apologies, disregard the last line of reasoning in its current form. | ||
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On June 06 2016 05:05 QuickTwist wrote: OMG you are so wrong its not even funny. VT stands for vanilla townie. You are lynching the most worthless role there is in this game based on confirmation bias. People should take a really good look at you tomorrow. Yea, I made that mistake, again (posted this on the previous page), please disregard that last line of reasoning. However, this does not make the rest of the post "OMG so wrong." I stand by it. If you're saying the truth and you flip VT tomorrow, that would be unfortunate but not as bad as you being a blue PR, so that's taken a load off my shoulders ^^ If you're lying and you're scum, then that would be great and I'd be a boss. I'm liking this scenario. | ||
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On June 06 2016 05:10 QuickTwist wrote: Funny story, my first 16 games I was lynched day 1 eight times. When people don't understand what I do I get lynched, simple as that. Care to reveal how many of those times you were scum? | ||
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On June 06 2016 05:12 Superbia wrote: Skynx has been meh iirc. But newbies are generally somewhat harder to read. Kush hasn't really picked a direction and his pregame and ingame are off. Pregame he seemed very excited but ingame he hasn't been pro-active except for a shitty plynch push on scott which ended up being nothing. ^ I also noticed this discrepancy. He has posted some excuses like driving and being off work, and while I don't want to outright say he's lying, it's still a discrepancy. Scumread on Superbia diminishes slightly. | ||
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On June 06 2016 05:18 Fecalfeast wrote: I really don't like this line of thinking. Yeah of course it's better to kill vt than blue but if you think there's a decent chance he is town why are you still so adamant about killing qt? I don't think there is a decent chance. I only said "if." I'm adamant about killing him because he is the only scumread I have any certainty about and so I went after it. | ||
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I don't see how that justifies him not playing at least a little bit on the weekends lol. | ||
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On June 06 2016 05:15 QuickTwist wrote: I don't recall. My second game I was no lynched day one and I was scum. an unproportionate amount of times I was Town in my first 16 games though. Well it seems like the only constant factor throughout all those experiences is you, fam. Change of environment didn't change the outcome, so maybe the reason is within? It's detrimental to town to so consistently lynch town when you're around. | ||
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No sweat, sometimes I don't come off entirely clearly. True. | ||
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On June 06 2016 06:40 Skynx wrote: After posting this why would you vote Jealous? Scott was tied with you for a long time and you making an impossible case 5 hours befour lynch? If you're really VT your moves dont make any sense. To be quite honest, one possible reason is if he is in fact town, and thus suspects me of being mafia, so if he flips town he will further cast suspicion on me by voting for me. Someone already mentioned that if he flips town, they will think I am scum. This made me doubt he was scum for the first time in a while, because it makes sense as a townie move to me and would be guaranteed to have impact post-mortem whereas a vote for Scott would be seen as him trying to save his hide and might not even work considering how many people have been leaning scum on QT. The other possible reason is because according to him I "suck at this game." | ||
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On June 06 2016 06:47 Jealous wrote: To be quite honest, one possible reason is if he is in fact town, and thus suspects me of being mafia, so if he flips town he will further cast suspicion on me by voting for me. Someone already mentioned that if he flips town, they will think I am scum. This made me doubt he was scum for the first time in a while, because it makes sense as a townie move to me and would be guaranteed to have impact post-mortem whereas a vote for Scott would be seen as him trying to save his hide and might not even work considering how many people have been leaning scum on QT. The other possible reason is because according to him I "suck at this game." EBWOP Even though it made me doubt he was scum, it would be doubly foolish for me to change my vote, on top of the fact that I still see him as the #1 candidate. | ||
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On June 06 2016 06:52 Fecalfeast wrote: I understand your reasoning here but why are you answering for your #1 scumread? Because I felt like it would be better coming from me than it would be coming from him. | ||
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On June 06 2016 07:47 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Wow were stfu lynching qt? That's mean considering there's 0 percent he's mafia. Now that we're 10 minutes from the flip and fingers have been pointed your way depending on the flipread, it would make sense for you to go back on your previous words which suggested we should lynch QT. | ||
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On June 06 2016 07:57 Skynx wrote: How is no one mentioning blackcoffee? My thinking is if he is scum and is intentionally not voting because he thinks he will just get a warning or whatever (I asked in green text a few pages ago what happens to people who don't vote one time, but got no response so I'm going to guess this is the case), it would be a poor strategy because the hosts of this game know damn well that's what he did and why he did it and therefore intentionally broke the rules. | ||
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On June 06 2016 07:58 Jealous wrote: My thinking is if he is scum and is intentionally not voting because he thinks he will just get a warning or whatever (I asked in green text a few pages ago what happens to people who don't vote one time, but got no response so I'm going to guess this is the case), it would be a poor strategy because the hosts of this game know damn well that's what he did and why he did it and therefore intentionally broke the rules. EBWOP So my theory is he is just inactive. | ||
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On June 06 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote: In retrospect kush was a smarter shenannie... Bleh, no was just waited far to long to pull the trigger. Why do it at all? | ||
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On June 06 2016 08:09 Fecalfeast wrote: One of our quirks here on tlmafia is that we do last minute vote switches a lot it's honestly pretty bad lol That seems so dumb though. Why construct a false impression of your vote? That's just as misleading as posting a fake vote in this thread while voting for another in the vote thread, as QT did. | ||
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On June 06 2016 08:16 Fecalfeast wrote: The idea is that the lynch turns out to be fairly obviously town based on how the player is reacting to being lynched or how the thead is moving and we yolo try to kill a scummy guy instead Alright, that actually makes sense to me. But couldn't people use this as a cover to bandwagon someone and then jump ship for whatever reason? I can think of so many scenarios where this would be a scummy thing to do. | ||
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On June 06 2016 08:22 Fecalfeast wrote: So who didn't shenannie, and why is a good plce to start I stick by my decision and the underlying reasons for it. My decision was made a long time ago, I was the first vote on QT. Things that have been said/done that could have changed my vote, but did not, and why: 1. QT's posting quality improved. This did not change my vote because I saw it as too little too late, and he still spent the majority of his posts arguing with me and his contributions on other reads were few and weak. 2. QT claimed VT. He earlier claimed blue PR so I didn't give much weight to his new claim. 3. QT acted desperately in his defense, getting madbro. When I was scum, I did the same thing, so I went on personal experience here. 4. I didn't see any better choices based on their post content, and thus disregarded afkers. | ||
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On June 06 2016 11:38 Fecalfeast wrote: moose could be trying too hard to emulate his townplay and he was pretty late to vote. I didn't like skynx before when i was catching up but I can't quite remember why. Starting to get worried that lawyer jesus is huge-posting his way into every towncircle Sorry, sometimes it takes me a lot of words to get to explain my rationale, and sometimes I do stream-of-consciousness to achieve that goal. However, because I am town, I am obviously glad that my posting has had this effect. Although, I guess if I was scum I'd be even more glad, so I see where you're coming from. I expected more people to jump on me for leading the QT lynch, but it seems like at least some of you understand that I'm a dumb noob. | ||
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On June 06 2016 11:52 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: k jealous. who next? not me i hope My scott-vote hypothesis doesn't hold water any longer since QT flipped green, so for now I have to remove you from my suspect list, as well as Tumblewood. My other slight suspicion towards Superbia has been diminishing over time, which could be just good play or more content showing the truth. I can't ascertain which it is so for now I will have to just observe future posts. Fecalfeast has been more active recently, so there goes the last scum-lean I had from seven hours ago. In short, I am somewhat confused and need some time to organize my thoughts and re-read some logs in order to see who I think may be scummy. In the meantime, I don't agree that we shouldn't concern ourselves about mod actions. Reason being is unless something new comes up, I think blkcoffee is the logical policy lynch. Whether he receives a warning or a ban from the game and whether his activity will consequently increase will obviously affect our need for a policy lynch. I also asked the question earlier in green text, but received no answer, so I will do so again at the end of this post. So, pending mod response, I would currently aim for blkcoffee. | ||
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On June 06 2016 11:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: jealous, im officially appointing you townleader since ff doesn't want the job. This doesn't sound like a good idea because 1. I am a noob 2. a. I don't know how to coordinate covert actions of the blue roles, because we don't know which blues are currently in the game so how can I ask for detective check on someone if there is no detective b. Furthermore, how would I even get a response to that question if there is no PMing lol. Can't establish a code that is publicly known either. 3. I've had to throw away pretty much all the analysis I've done thus far so... | ||
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On June 06 2016 12:02 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @JEALOUS why is blkcoffee scum? He may or may not be, hard to tell from his scant post history and from the fact that he didn't vote at all. I'd lynch him just for not voting to be honest. If he is town and doesn't participate, he is useless to us. If he is scum and doesn't participate, then he'll flip red. | ||
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On June 06 2016 12:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: but being scum would not make him more likely to not vote. in fact, scum is more likely to remember to vote because they don't want to screw over their small scumteam. So you would have us waste our day 2 lynch on someone who has a less than average chance of flipping scum? He also has a less-than-average chance of flipping blue. It would suck really hard if I advocate for the lynching of yet another green townie and they get lynched, giving scum another free kill, not to mention it'd make me doubly suspect, but right now that's the only thing that sticks out to me. You do have a solid point about the fact that it would screw over the smaller team big time. As I mentioned earlier, this is all pending the further investigation/re-reading I'm doing now and future events. I'm by no means adamant about this choice. I'm working on something, I'll share it with you all when I finish. | ||
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On June 06 2016 12:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: Imagine if kush was mafia trying to help town newbies play. That would be great. That thought crossed my mind because he could be the town leader instead of nominating me. | ||
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I'm also realizing how many of you guys play/joke around so much that it's hard to tell what you really believe. | ||
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On June 06 2016 13:11 Tumblewood wrote: gonna have to convince me because I'm not really seeing it either way we're lynching skynx tomorrow (or maybe you or scott... definitely neither of emperor or tt though) Would be nice to get explanations from either of you. | ||
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MEGADATA DUMP + Show Spoiler [Chronological order of reads and actions] + QuickTwist claims PR sqrtofneg1 does not claim scum Superbia claims PR QuickTwist reads Superbia town Superbia says @QT: "Good job calling me town. I like that. I may be inclined to call you town too at some later stage." QuickTwist does not claim scum Superbia does not claim scum QuickTwist reads Jealous town Moosy claims scum Moosy claims @QT "veteran or mafia or mafia or mafia" QuickTwist reads Tumblewood town MoosyDoosy votes QuickTwist MoosyDoosy unvotes QT, votes MoosyDoosy Superbia claims town Superbia reads emperorchampion town Jealous reads Superbia and QT as scum Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum Tumblewood reads Jealous scum QuickTwist votes Superbia Superbia questions QuickTwist's read frequency Tumblewood defends QuickTwist's read frequency blkcoffee questions QuickTwist's townread on Jealous, and vote on Superbia Superbia calls Tumble for not playing his town meta Superbia says "Nah. Maybe." @"soft scumread" on Tumble QuickTwist reads Jealous town Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town Tumblewood "shitty early d1 reads: town: superbia, qt town lean: emperor null: moosy scum lean: jealous scum: [pending further posts]" kushmountain reads scum: sqrtneg1, beentheredonethat, FecalFeast, Tictock kushmountain votes sqrtofneg1 Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain Tumblewood defends QuickTwist Tumblewood defends QuickTwist QuickTwist reads Tumblewood town QuickTwist claims not Vet QuickTwist votes Tumblewood, but actually voted sqrtneg1 QuickTwist reads Jealous town Tumblewood suspends townread on QuickTwist QuickTwist reads Jealous town Tictock reads Moosy scum QuickTwist reads Tictock scum Tumbleweed "one of QT and Jealous surely has to be mafia" Tictock reads Tumblewood town Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol QuickTwist reads Tictock null Tictock reads Jealous town BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum BTDT votes MoosyDoosy BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood Skynx votes QuickTwist Moosy defends QuickTwist Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town Tumblewood reads BTDT town Tumblewood reads QuickTwist, Jealous town Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum Tictock votes QuickTwist Tictock reads Jealous scum Tumblewood reads emperorchampion town sqrtneg1 leaves game Jealous leans Tictock town Jealous reads QuickTwist scum (voted for him earlier in the day) Tumblewood defends QuickTwist MoosyDoosy reads BTDT town MoosyDoosy softreads QuickTwist scum Tumblewood reads Moosy town Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast Moosy defends FF Scott enters the game Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy FF reads Superbia, Jealous, QuickTwist town FF reads Skynx scum FF reads EC town Scott reads Jealous, EC town FF reads EC town kush reads sqrtneg1 scum kush wants to stfulynch QT Superbia "tempted to call kush mafia" Superbia reads Tumble, TT, Moosy town Superbia reads FF town Superbia reads BTDT scum or BR Superbia reads EC, BC town Superbia reads QT scum Skynx reads Tumble, EC town QT reads Skynx, TT scum QT reads EC, BC, BTDT, Tumble town Tumble questions QT's reads: Skynx, TT, FF Tumble "Having trouble justifying not voting QT, but not feeling good about voting him, either." QT claims PR Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum TT points at FF for plynch EC softreads Tumble, QT scum EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum EC reads Superbia, TT town EC votes QT TT reads QT, Skynx scum Superbia softreads blkcoffee scum Jealous softreads kush, Tumble, Superbia, FF scum Jealous reads QT scum QT votes Jealous Jealous softreads TT, Skynx town Superbia votes kush FF support Jealous read QT scum Superbia softreads Scott town TT wants to lynch Skynx Jealous suspicion of Superbia declines FF defends QT, questions Jealous FF switches vote to kush, as per Superbia Scott claims town TT reads QT scum EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum Moosy votes QT Moosy reads BTDT town Moosy softreads Superbia town Skynx defends Jealous @QT TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum FF defends EC Moosy claims scum, vet Moosy reads Scott town TT corrects EC for BTDT FF questions BTDT, defends Jealous kush defends QT TT votes BTDT Skynx points BC TT defends BC Tumble reads TT, BTDT, Jealous, EC, Superbia, FF town Tumble reads Kush, Scott, Skynx scum FF softreads Moosy, Skynx, Jealous, BTDT scum kush reads Skynx town kush reads BTDT town Jealous wants to plynch BC kush defends BC kush reads EC, TT, Tumble, FF scum Tumble reads EC, TT, FF town kush removes FF, adds Skynx Tumble reads Skynx scum Moosy reads kush, EC, Skynx scum Moosy reads TW, BTDT, FF, TT, BC town + Show Spoiler [Individual reads in chronological order] + + Show Spoiler [beentheredonethat] + BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum BTDT votes MoosyDoosy BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood + Show Spoiler [blkcoffee] + blkcoffee questions QuickTwist's townread on Jealous, and vote on Superbia + Show Spoiler [emperorchampion] + Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy EC softreads Tumble, QT scum EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum EC reads Superbia, TT town EC votes QT EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum + Show Spoiler [FecalFeast] + FF reads Superbia, Jealous, QuickTwist town FF reads Skynx scum FF reads EC town FF reads EC town FF support Jealous read QT scum FF defends QT, questions Jealous FF switches vote to kush, as per Superbia FF defends EC FF questions BTDT, defends Jealous FF softreads Moosy, Skynx, Jealous, BTDT scum + Show Spoiler [Jealous] + Jealous reads Superbia and QT as scum Jealous leans Tictock town Jealous reads QuickTwist scum (voted for him earlier in the day) Jealous softreads kush, Tumble,Superbia, FF scum Jealous reads QT scum Jealous softreads TT, Skynx town Jealous suspicion of Superbia declines + Show Spoiler [nnn_thekushmountains] + kushmountain reads scum: sqrtneg1, beentheredonethat, FecalFeast, Tictock kushmountain votes sqrtofneg1 kush reads sqrtneg1 scum kush wants to stfulynch QT kush defends QT kush reads Skynx town kush reads BTDT town kush defends BC kush reads EC, TT, Tumble, FF scum kush removes FF, adds Skynx + Show Spoiler [MoosyDoosy] + Moosy claims scum Moosy claims @QT "veteran or mafia or mafia or mafia" MoosyDoosy votes QuickTwist MoosyDoosy unvotes QT, votes MoosyDoosy Moosy defends QuickTwist MoosyDoosy reads BTDT town MoosyDoosy softreads QuickTwist scum Moosy defends FF Moosy votes QT Moosy reads BTDT town Moosy softreads Superbia town Moosy claims scum, vet Moosy reads Scott town Moosy reads kush, EC, Skynx scum Moosy reads TW, BTDT, FF, TT, BC, Sup town + Show Spoiler [QuickTwist] + QuickTwist claims PR QuickTwist reads Superbia town QuickTwist does not claim scum QuickTwist reads Jealous town QuickTwist reads Tumblewood town QuickTwist votes Superbia QuickTwist reads Jealous town QuickTwist reads Tumblewood town QuickTwist claims not Vet QuickTwist votes Tumblewood, but actually voted sqrtneg1 QuickTwist reads Jealous town QuickTwist reads Jealous town QuickTwist reads Tictock scum QuickTwist reads Tictock null QT reads Skynx, TT scum QT reads EC, BC, BTDT, Tumble town QT claims PR QT votes Jealous + Show Spoiler [sqrtneg1 and Scott] + sqrtofneg1 does not claim scum sqrtneg1 leaves game Scott enters the game Scott reads Jealous, EC town Scott claims town + Show Spoiler [Skynx] + Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum Skynx votes QuickTwist Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast Skynx reads Tumble, EC town Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum Skynx defends Jealous @QT Skynx points BC + Show Spoiler [Superbia] + Superbia claims PR Superbia says @QT: "Good job calling me town. I like that. I may be inclined to call you town too at some later stage." Superbia does not claim scum Superbia claims town Superbia reads emperorchampion town Superbia questions QuickTwist's read frequency Superbia calls Tumble for not playing his town meta Superbia says "Nah. Maybe." @"soft scumread" on Tumble Superbia "tempted to call kush mafia" Superbia reads Tumble, TT, Moosy town Superbia reads FF town Superbia reads BTDT scum or BR Superbia reads EC, BC town Superbia reads QT scum Superbia softreads blkcoffee scum Superbia votes kush Superbia softreads Scott town + Show Spoiler [Tictock] + Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain Tictock reads Moosy scum Tictock reads Tumblewood town Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol Tictock reads Jealous town Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum Tictock votes QuickTwist Tictock reads Jealous scum TT points at FF for plynch TT reads QT, Skynx scum TT wants to lynch Skynx TT reads QT scum TT reads QT scum TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum TT corrects EC for BTDT TT votes BTDT TT defends BC + Show Spoiler [Tumblewood] + Tumblewood reads Jealous scum Tumblewood defends QuickTwist's read frequency Tumblewood "shitty early d1 reads: town: superbia, qt town lean: emperor null: moosy scum lean: jealous scum: (pending further posts)" Tumblewood defends QuickTwist Tumblewood defends QuickTwist Tumblewood suspends townread on QuickTwist Tumblewood "one of QT and Jealous surely has to be mafia" Tumblewood reads BTDT town Tumblewood reads QuickTwist, Jealous town Tumblewood reads emperorchampion town Tumblewood defends QuickTwist Tumblewood reads Moosy town Tumble questions QT's reads: Skynx, TT, FF Tumble "Having trouble justifying not voting QT, but not feeling good about voting him, either." Tumble reads TT, BTDT, Jealous, EC, Superbia, FF town Tumble reads Kush, Scott, Skynx scum Tumble reads EC, TT, FF town Tumble reads Skynx scum + Show Spoiler [Table of Reads] + This table is read from left to right; in other words, the person in the row thinks X of the person in that column. It contains the most recent read from each person, meaning they could have changed their mind from a previous read. Some joke reads have been excluded. Defending others was not included as a read. Red = Scum, Green = Town, Gray = Null/No opinion/Mixed, White = N/A ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cBR85ud.png) | ||
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1. I find FecalFeast the most suspicious now in my eyes. My reasoning is this: FF reads EC town FF reads EC town FF support Jealous read QT scum FF defends QT, questions Jealous FF switches vote to kush, as per Superbia FF defends EC FF questions BTDT, defends Jealous FF softreads Moosy, Skynx, Jealous, BTDT scum In the chronological order of reads above, he flips his stance on QT around the time when it is clear that QT is going to be lynched, he switches his vote to kush after Superbia does, possibly giving him a convenient out? He then doesn't even read him as scum verbally. He also seems to be overly defensive/supportive of EC. 2. I need to do further analysis on EC to see if there is a connection there. I don't think Superbia is implicated here, although he could be. 3. I am going to stick to my stance on TT and Skynx as I haven't seen any suspicious behavior from them and do enjoy their analysis. I am also leaning town on Tumblewood. 4. BC and Scott really haven't contributed much of anything. 5. MoosyDoosy's gameplay is completely nonsensical. | ||
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On June 06 2016 08:28 Tictock wrote: Who piled on, and why is probably better. Or who dropped off after piling on. Some people still need to answer these questions. | ||
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I will respond to this when my friends leave, I have some over right now. In other news, I would like to point out that the Day 2 reveal said there were two senators who stabbed TumbleWood. Does that mean that there are only 2 Mafia? GG TW | ||
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Yea but I'm thinking that the host made an unintentional error there. | ||
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On June 07 2016 10:49 Fecalfeast wrote: I doubt it, it's flavour it has no meaning Yea you're right, re-read the OP, definitely 3 Mafia. I guess one was chilling back in the hideout. | ||
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On June 07 2016 14:50 Superbia wrote: Jealous can you react to my scum read on you in less than 4 sentences? It's a logical consequence of the flop plus whatever weight you might give to someone being tryhard, although in a former post you said "How can I mafia read someone that tryhard." Unless there are some points of yours that I've missed while being busy today, I'd say that the hole in the above logic is that it would be incredibly dumb to go so hard after someone I know is a newbie townie who is just spamming if I really was mafia. Of course, you may think I'm incredibly dumb like kush seems to so that could be a contributing reason. I know that your read is wrong but I also know why you made it, and you don't seem vehement in its pursuit so I don't think of it as a scum thing to do. Looking at another subject, if this Skynx bandwagon comes to fruition, it would be really interesting to see who was on it post-flop. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Corresponding posts] + On June 05 2016 06:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh yeah i also like emperorchamp for town On June 06 2016 05:02 Fecalfeast wrote: VT is Vanilla Townie which makes his new claim more dubious imo On June 06 2016 05:18 Fecalfeast wrote: I really don't like this line of thinking. Yeah of course it's better to kill vt than blue but if you think there's a decent chance he is town why are you still so adamant about killing qt? On June 06 2016 05:20 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm going to agree with super again and switch to kush On June 06 2016 07:44 Fecalfeast wrote: Wow that btdt post is bad he gives qt a pass for activity but then doesn't even mention the fact that jealous has been just as active On June 06 2016 11:38 Fecalfeast wrote: moose could be trying too hard to emulate his townplay and he was pretty late to vote. I didn't like skynx before when i was catching up but I can't quite remember why. Starting to get worried that lawyer jesus is huge-posting his way into every towncircle I seem to have written "reads EC town" twice by accident, a clerical error. The first part of your response is fairly logical, the second seems like a paltry excuse. However, I've reconsidered my position on you for other reasons that I am still WIFOM on so I'm going to say that you are null for me right now. | ||
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On June 07 2016 19:23 Superbia wrote: Who do you think is scum jelly? Seems like I need to see another day's votes and results to solidify my scum reads, but I feel like my town reads are becoming more solid because of a new approach I am using. However, given my superfail read Day 1, I would like to withhold reading anyone until Day 2 ends. | ||
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On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip? In my opinion he was trying to see my reaction, applying soft pressure that might make me seem scummy by being overly defensive or something along those lines? I was also a little confused when he said that. | ||
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As I said it is a new approach I am using while looking at the data I've collected and I will know how reliable it is after a few more results are made apparent. | ||
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On June 08 2016 01:49 Superbia wrote: Also you didn't seem to care about being wrong whatsoever. Completely emotionless at EoD. The datadump wasn't just for my benefit, otherwise I wouldn't have posted it or made it presentable. I did that so that others could have a tool to use if they want to. I was actually the only person to respond to, I believe Tictock and FecalFeast, who asked for an explanation on people's votes on QT. I posted my reasoning behind it. I don't see a point to being emotional about it, it was a Day 1 lynch and a bad misread and I'm a newbie. I did feel a slight apprehension at first after the flop because people might misread me as a result of it, but I figured come what may I will let my posts and reasoning speak for themselves. The way I see it, there is no reason to be emotional because I'm not scum and therefore I view it as a learning experience instead. This is part of the reason why I don't want to submit any reads right now and wait until more posts are made. I took a very active role on Day 1, somewhat so on Night 1, and made a few mistakes, so I think it's time for me to say less and read more. | ||
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On June 08 2016 01:50 Superbia wrote: If you're town then very likely at least 1 mafia just piled onto your case on quicky. Who do you think that person is? It's possible but I wouldn't say it's very likely. QT was in the lead for bans after Tictock voted for him and never left that position. At the time, the only person who was in contention with him was Scott. Even if three people switched their vote last second for kush, for example, QT would still be lynched even if the original 3 people who voted for QT. Everyone who piled on afterwards - is it really ensuring the lynch? How much insurance did they really think they needed? While statistically speaking is certainly possible that a mafia is on that list, it's hard for me to say who it may be. I think we can remove Scott from suspicion (here, at least) because he was voting to keep himself in the game should people switch their votes onto him. It would be more interesting if Skynx and Tictock saw my vehemence and used that as a springboard to start the bandwagon. Seeing as people seem inclined to vote Skynx, this is why I would rather see the flop after Day 2 before making any concrete arguments. | ||
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On June 08 2016 01:58 Superbia wrote: Aren't you annoyed that I called your huge post useless? Not really, you've shown bias against me from the jump and having spent 12 years trolling forums in my free time I've learned not to take things personally from keyboard warriors and other trolls. You think it's useless? That's too bad, good thing I put spoilers so you can just gloss over it if you ever read my filter. Hopefully someone else found it useful. I thought it was a useful experience for me, at the least. Also, I love making tables. | ||
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On June 08 2016 02:07 Superbia wrote: Scum tend to spread out their votes naturally. It is somewhat likely, it doesn't have to be. However, it's still a decent metric to have for analyzing the game. I can see the logic behind that. Looking back on the vote thread, MoosyDoosy voted QT and unvoted @ 19:13/19:17 respectively (June 3rd) but I think we can attribute that to his trolly nature. I vote 22:15 CDT. Skynx votes 07:15 CDT, June 4th. Tictock is the immediate next vote at 12:33 CDT, putting QT at first. EC votes 14:11 CDT, June 5th. Scott votes 16:05 CDT. EC revotes to make sure formatting is correct 16:37 CDT. MoosyDoosy revotes 17:34 CDT. Tictock switches vote to BTDT at 18:56 CDT. How much can we read into QT's last post stating that Tictock was both the person who pushed QT into the forefront and then abandoned ship? | ||
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On June 08 2016 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote: i would kill BTDT still, yeah. That post where he game QT a pass for being active but then scumread jealous without mentioning his activity is still in my mind But how would that make sense for a scum strategy? The only plot that would make sense to me is that he knew QT would be lynched (should verify timestamp on this post vs. vote count at the time?), which is good for scum, so he wanted to bring me down once QT flipped town because I'd be seen as the major instigator of the movement, which is good for scum because I am town. This actually makes sense, now that I think about it. However, it depends on the timestamp. I can't check it right now and I'll be home in a few hours but if someone can do that now it would give more credit to FF's theory, imo. | ||
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On June 08 2016 08:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: You are thinking about this wrong. Scum dont enact some plot. They just try to come up with stuff to say that looks as townie as possible. Most of the time they try to not lynch their scumteam. Often scum will townread someone who is up for lynch, because they know that person is town, and their objective to look as townie as possible is compelling them to point that out. That's kind of my point in him townreading QT when they know he is town, but wouldn't it make sense for him to throw doubts on my participation in QT's lynching to get me lynched as a reactive measure in Day 2 even though I am town? I don't see why scum wouldn't enact that plot, or at least have one of them do so. At the time of my compiling the data on page 55 if I recall correctly, I was one of the most scumread players in the game. Even though Skynx seems to be up for lynching based on the posts of Night/Day 2, I can't help but feel that I was also cast in a bad light and this would be advantageous to scum. | ||
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On June 08 2016 11:04 emperorchampion wrote: Meh nothing interesting since I left. Can you clarify what you mean here, I'm just not sure what part is advantageous to scum? Also how does that relate to Skynx? The advantage to town would be that the town lynches 2 townies (QT and myself). This has nothing to do with Skynx. | ||
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On June 08 2016 11:36 Jealous wrote: The advantage to town would be that the town lynches 2 townies (QT and myself). This has nothing to do with Skynx. Advantage to scum** EDWOP | ||
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On June 08 2016 15:42 Tictock wrote: Jealous who do you think we should lynch today? also... I feel like 3/4 of the game has barely posted or even voted. This needs to change. After missing the mark fairly badly D1 we need to pick this game up. I'm still not sure. I was going to see how the other votes and reads pan out as we approach the deadline, because apparently a lot of stuff happens then. This game has been confusing in general - Skynx has had the strongest scumread bandwagon, whereas kush has had the strongest lynch vote bandwagon, simply wtf? I like how you said "who do you think we should lynch today" as if I actually am town leader. I probably have less of a clue about what is going on than any of you. Based on what my vague retrospect ("gut") without going in-depth on any filters today, I would say that EC, BTDT, kush are all viable options, in decreasing order, with Scott being a potential mystery factor because so far none of his posts have struck me as very scummy but he also hasn't posted much so I can't say for certain. | ||
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On June 08 2016 16:11 Tictock wrote: This has nothing to do with being a leader or not, it's a valid question regardless. Still without looking at filters... Why EC first? Or why is he most scummy? I realized I may have misinterpreted the phrasing but it was already too late as I had already posted. I'm not ready to answer this question. | ||
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On June 09 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote: Anyway kush please show some defence man i feel like no one is even trying this game... Don't know whether to read the lack of defense as scummy or townie ;-; I'm gonna lean with scummy. | ||
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On June 09 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote: 6) Jealous - How is the return to TL Mafia going? You suggested that you enjoy having a role with some power, have you ever played in a game where everyone has some role/ability? If not, does it sound appealing? It's incredibly different and incredibly difficult. The game is nothing like it was 2008, or at least like those first few were. As a result, neither are the conversations nor the reads. I would have to say I'm struggling pretty damn hard. In the past you could easily justify your case against someone and have solid ground to push on, and thus votes and flips were more pivotal. Also, PMs were allowed, if I recall correctly. If there was someone you were certain was town or a blue PR, you could test them via PM. You could also PM people you trusted if you had a PR. For example, if a detective finds out someone is town or medic, they can coordinate privately, thus using their roles more effectively. In short, this is a completely different monster. I hope that the game gets easier as we get more votes/flips, but as of right now I'm pretty lost. In my past two games I was bodyguard and mafia respectively, so I was going off experience here. I feel that it gives added depth to the game because you can make decisions that affect the game behind the curtains and without people knowing who made those actions. However, as I mentioned in the post you are referring to, I was scared to jump into a PR and potentially fuck up really badly. I screwed up pretty hard as mafia in my second game if memory serves correct (might not be as obvious in the filter but I remember Ace or MTF or whoever was mafia yelling at me). That stuck in my mind. My bad read on QT is further evidence of that, as well as 2 or 3 slip-ups on simple things like what VT stands for and briefly pursuing something from the host's Night post. I'm content with my role. I don't think I've ever played in a game like that. Would I want to? I think it would definitely be interesting, but also a lot more convoluted and high-stakes. It would depend on what the rules and roles are. By the way, I enjoyed your questions posted, I thought that some of them were very poignant. | ||
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On June 09 2016 05:47 Tictock wrote: Wow 2 people answered my questions already. Thanks guys! Having caught up... I think the lack of defense and more importantly the lack of anything from Kush means I'm ok with him being the lynch. I know he posted that he was gunna be low effort in pre-game, but this is like no-effort. I'm kinda feeling like Emp and Skynx are bad lynches today kus they are actually contributing at a fairly consistant level. Still unsure about Skynx though with this recent "lets kill big targets and not scott!" "Big targets are people like scott, BtDt..." I'm liking Jealous less, partially just for contributing a lot less today. Mostly because he made a big deal about our Shennanies D1 and today has basically refused to discuss reads. The 180 there doesn't track very well for me because he's going against what was apparently his idea of how the game should be played. I had company over yesterday and in general the weekdays are much busier for me than the weekends, where I work from home on the computer on my own time. However, it's true that I haven't discussed my reads (of which I only briefly mentioned 3) because frankly I'm not certain at all on them. I was asked the question, so I had to oblige, but the follow-up question I didn't have a good response for prepared. As I said then, they were "gut" reads based on my "feel" for their posting habits and style. I'll discuss my stance on people briefly right now: 1) Emperorchampion - Yesterday I was remembering some posts that rubbed me the wrong way, but his posting since then has done a little to alleviate that. In general I found his posting to be on the light side but still more than most others in terms of content and conclusions. I think there were inconsistencies I didn't like and some conclusions that I didn't agree with, hence my lean earlier. 2) Skynx - I like the way he posts and deducts, would not want to vote against him. Of course, he could just be scum that is posting well, but I can't know which it is so I'm okay with him for now simply based on quality of content. 3) QuickTwist Lynched Day 1, Senator 4)Scott31337 - Generally AFK, the few posts he has made have been fairly plain and non-indicative but is still one of the least active players and I don't like that. 5) blkcoffee - Replacement of modkill pending, on top of that he has submitted no reads at all (as per my chart) and has generally been very low-impact. Can't read him but can't support keeping him either. 6) Jealous - I'm town. 1) beentheredonethat - I've seen people raising questions about his scumminess and worth to the game; so far I haven't seen much to contradict what others have said but have not personally paid much attention to him either way, or at least he hasn't stuck out much. 2) Tumblewood Killed Night 1, Roman Senator 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - Day 1 I did not like his posting and misdirection via trolling one bit. However, his post quality has improved. It's hard to get a read on him but I like how he's been posting recently. Maybe it's just because I'm not familiar with TL Mafia and people's mannerisms. 4) nnn_thekushmountians - To be completely fair, I've had a bad feeling about his posts since even the pre-game so I might be biased in thinking that he may be scum. However, others have pointed irregularities in his posting habits. Does he not work on Tuesdays and Wednesdays either? There have been a few posts where he seemed to be trolling kinda like Moosy, which I don't like. 5) Superbia - Generally seems like a positive force in the game so far, is very active, asks good questions and thus generates content. I'm okay with keeping him around. 6) FecalFeast - I've taken back what I was thinking earlier because I have a new approach to the game thanks to my data, and thus I see him as null for now. 7)Tiktock - I'm sticking to my read that you are town for now, mostly because I feel your posts have content, thought, and provoke others to generate content as well, which is good. | ||
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On June 09 2016 05:54 emperorchampion wrote: 3 I think! How did you come up with the questions? Are you a camp counselor Seems like a good idea for a newbie game!I think Jealous has a huge dump (heh) waiting for us The foresight is uncanny. I am officially a fan. | ||
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On June 09 2016 06:08 Jealous wrote: I want to see how these questions pan out but I have to vote before 6 pm (deadline is 7 pm) because I have real life matters to attend do, so it would be great if everyone who is around could answer by 6 so I can cast my vote with recent activity fresh on my mind. EBWOP Scratch that, arrangements are no longer an actuality. However, it would still be nice if I could see every response by EoD. | ||
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On June 08 2016 01:56 Jealous wrote: I took a very active role on Day 1, somewhat so on Night 1, and made a few mistakes, so I think it's time for me to say less and read more. | ||
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On June 09 2016 06:45 Tictock wrote: Using night kill logic or "why are you alive" thinking is pretty haphazard at best. Especially bad when it's still fairly early in the game and information is still really sparse. "Why are you alive" type thinking really shouldn't happen till LyLo is looming, and even then it's not great in all circumstances. True, and any value that may have had is now lost because I mentioned it outright anyway ;-; this is why I should read more, think more, speak less. | ||
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On June 09 2016 07:10 Tictock wrote: Jealous, why Emp over Kush? Why kush over EC? | ||
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On June 09 2016 07:29 Tictock wrote: Yea we should be lynching Kush here guys. I'm not feeling any of these other lynches. I will have to berate some people if Emp gets lynched and flips town. It strikes me as interesting that on both days you were the third to vote for the current ban leader. Jumping on the bandwagon? | ||
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On June 09 2016 07:29 Tictock wrote: Yea we should be lynching Kush here guys. I'm not feeling any of these other lynches. I will have to berate some people if Emp gets lynched and flips town. Your defense seems almost excessive, considering he would still need 2 votes to be lynched. | ||
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On June 09 2016 07:36 Tictock wrote: Hey as long as the wagon has the proper furnishings. This one is feeling much more comfy than QT's so I have no inklings of hopping off it like I did his. These lynches are pretty different tbh. If they both flip town will you feel the same way? | ||
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On June 09 2016 07:41 Tictock wrote: I was thinking of giving Emp a townread simply for not instantly moving his vote to Kush when the wagons were tied. And while I'm not thrilled by this post He took the time to dig up these posts and post this before changing his vote from Scott to Kush. What do you guys make of that? (assuming it's not just me and Jealous here atm) I thought it was survival tactics. | ||
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On June 09 2016 07:51 Tictock wrote: Well w/e it seems like it's just the 3 of us here anyways, so not much else to do but wait it out. I don't get where Jealous is coming from at all anymore. Given his last reads post an hour or so ago he seemed to be far more suspect of Kush than Emp, and he claimed that he was fairly certain I was town. Yet none of his actions or posts since that reflect those views. If kush flips scum I think Jealous should be the lynch tomorrow. This was the idea - "shenannis" or whatever seem to be popular. I would make the vote a closer contest, potentially drawing more votes to EC. Depending on the flop, these votes would be suspect. I wait until the last second to switch to kush, effectively giving my vote double the strength in this scenario. | ||
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On June 09 2016 08:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: go bury yourself in a hole of shame Tictock. Worst part is you're probably town too.Why do you think so? | ||
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I fail to see the connection between the two. If anyone, I'd vote Tictock right now. | ||
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On June 09 2016 09:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: Was his behavior suspicious at EoD? Like when you were present and reading his posts at that time. I found him adamantly defending EC to be suspicious. There is a possibility he was trying to find inconsistencies in my play and thus went that route. However, I have to go by what I know: we lynched town today, Tictock defended an unknown and pushed hard for kush. On June 09 2016 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also, if we're going to momentarily assume that Tictock is scum. Why would he draw so much attention to himself with shenannies at EoD? What would have been his goal at that time? Note: This isn't me questioning you because I think you're Mafia, I just think this is a decent learning opportunity. Apparently shenannies are SOP around here. I was waved off almost dismissively when I brought it up, although they admitted it was a bad look. However, who here voted for any of the people who shenannied on Day 1? No one. Not much was spoken about it anywhere. Also, Tictock never shennanied, unless I missed something. | ||
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Can I get some thoughts from everyone? As in, what do you think of how the last two days went and what can be done better? For the town to succeed, something has to change about how we operate. I'm not experienced enough what that change should be, but as it is going now, we will be down 4 townies in 2 day/nights. That makes us 6 to 3 come Day 3, if we assume that a replacement will be made for BC. That's not a good place to be in. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:06 Superbia wrote: There are two. Everyone but medic should prob claim tomorrow depending on whether we lose prs in night. Why? Doesn't that make it all-too-easy for scum? Do you mean that in desperation we have to coordinate PRs publicly in the scum's eyes? I'm guessing detective would reveal what he has found out by now (but how would we know he really is detective?), and what would vet be good for in that situation anyway? | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:03 Superbia wrote: Because we need the info. Do not claim during the night. Except at 5s to EoD or something. So let's say a vet and a detective claim. What would we do from that point on? There is a very limited amount of possibilities, might as well strategize now if this is the plan? | ||
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I just don't see how this works out in town's favor or how it would be manageable. | ||
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2. No one has explained yet why revealing to the mafia who the blue PR roles are has any benefit to the town whatsoever. | ||
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On June 10 2016 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote: If a blue claims and nobody counterclaims we can't know if it's a real claim until a second blue claims. If two blues claim and nobody counterclaims (either with a third blue role or the same as one of the claimers) we can assume that both blue roles are town eliminating two people from the lynch pool and effectively controlling the nightkills from mafia. Claim wars is when mafia decides to risk counterclaiming with hopes of getting the blue role(s) lynched first. In the situation we are in it is fairly likely mafia will try to counter in this way as a failed counterclaim(mafia claimer is lynched) mafia still has two members. That being said I think mafia has been sitting pretty all game and we need to start looking into people who seem towny. Why would two people claiming be any less suspect than one person claiming? They could both be lying. Say PR1 claims, PR2 claims, but PR1 actually belongs to someone else. Then "claim wars" start where the actual PR1 claimed after the fake PR1 and how would we know the difference? There is no tangible way, as far as I see it. I almost want to say that it is a ploy by Superbia and EC to expose the influential PRs, because scum would be the only ones that know whether or not the person claiming is scum or not and thus would be much more valuable information to them than the town. However, I will wait to hear a more detailed explanation from Superbia and EC. | ||
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On June 10 2016 04:16 emperorchampion wrote: If we are going to do this blue claim thing can we clarify how the role setup works, how I understand is that there are 2 blues: 1 is doctor/vet and 1 is cop/vig? Uh, so far I see absolutely no reason that we are going to do this. I mean, PRs can do what they want, but I have seen no argument that this isn't just a wholly retarded idea. | ||
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Because he defended your unsubstantiated proposition blindly. | ||
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Okay, I just misunderstood your 3/4 claim post. In this scenario, as Skynx said, why would Veteran reveal?? He has no actions that could benefit the town, and it would only doom him. | ||
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On June 10 2016 05:22 Superbia wrote: Evaluate what they have done. See how they have voted. See what their actions were surrounding their roles. Does it add up? If it is mylo tomorrow, just remember that scum will always have 3 votes. And town will have either 4 or 5. If even 1 person is not on the same page, scum can push over the wrong wagon at the last moment. It will be paramount for town to be united. Technically, if blk is mafia they would be down to 2 votes? Or perhaps this is why he hasn't been killed yet. | ||
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On June 10 2016 06:04 Shapelog wrote: Posting as a reminder, *We have been in the process of trying to replace Blkcoffee, we will continue trying to replace him until the end of this phase, which he will have to be MKed. Oh. | ||
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On June 10 2016 05:53 Tictock wrote: Why am I mafia now? I mean it's nice to know I'm not getting killed tonight but I'm wondering why you now think this. Tictock what do you think of this reveal PR role initiative? | ||
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Vet - No reason for them come out I think. That would just make scum's job that much easier by roleblocking and killing him when he is one of the only potential obstacles to their victory. Doc - Definitely no reason for them to come out. Cop - Cop needs to come out and give what his reads so far have been, unless they are one of the above two. If they are one of the above two, they should just say that person was VT. That way, scum won't know if the actual PR are in the cop's reads or outside them, effectively giving them nothing. Vigilante - I don't see a need for them to come out, and it would be nice to potentially coordinate as a town both a lynch and vigi kill. If the kill doesn't happen, then we know there is no vigi. So far there haven't been any additional kills, so it is either a very reserved vigi or he doesn't exist. I'm leaning towards the latter. Thoughts? | ||
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1. Moosy is cop, I am town, BTDT is scum. 2. Moosy is scum, I am town and he is saying this because a. he knows it to be true and b. it gives his claim traction, BTDT is town. However, if another cop appears, things could get interesting. 3. Moosy is scum, I am scum, BTDT is town. Since I know that I'm town, it's between 1 and 2 for me. Unless another cop speaks up or two more roles do, which unfortunately I think would be unwise, it's relatively impossible to verify or contradict Moosy's claims imo. I honestly pray that there isn't a scenario where we have 1 vet, 1 medic, and Moosy claiming a non-extant cop role. That would suck. | ||
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On June 10 2016 08:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: n1 jealous town check there's mafia in emp/skynx and people were bringing good points about beentheredonethat so i checked him to make sure. also because his latest push on someone i forget was super lackluster. I have to ask, why did you rolecheck me first night? I'd like to hear your reasoning on the matter. | ||
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On June 10 2016 08:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: because tinfoil. I'm using my checks for tinfoil. You were tinfoil from the result of the D1 lynch. I was tinfoiling beentheredonethat for a bit because of his shitty push on kush and his super mechanical posts. Learning note: super mechanical is a sign of scum forcing out reads. I was townreading him so I figured I'd just check him. Turns out I was right. Also because I knew there had to be a mafia in the middle of my townreads somewhere and beentheredonethat seemed most likely. Could you elaborate on "mechanical?" | ||
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On June 10 2016 09:00 Tictock wrote: If there is a Vig this game they are terrible for holding their shot this long. Vet could go either way, probably better for them not to claim unless they need to CC. Kus if you are Vet and 2 other people claim, then you know one of them is mafia. If mafia have a RB and think Vet is a possibility then they are probably RBing their NK's anyway. I see, that makes sense, didn't think of that. Curse the mafia and their coordination! Since I am town and have been purportedly confirmed as town by a cop, would it make sense to examine the people that held suspicions against me in their reads? There has never been a push to lynch me, which I am surprised about, but then again I have been pretty much working in scum's favor unintentionally so I guess they didn't have much reason to push for my lynch or NK me. | ||
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On June 10 2016 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: This is less reliable than straight up analysis imo but it's reading the tone in posts. For example, your posts are flavored with a lawyer-like tone. emperorchampion seems generally happy in his posts. I seem generally trolly. On the other hand, beentheredonethat's posts all read like they're being spewed out by an analysis machine which made me feel strange about him. Like it's great he's doing analysis but why are you so distant from the rest of town kind of vibe. Again, it's not certain which made me put him in my tinfoil category and use my N2 check on him. I see, thank you. Assuming you survive this coming night cycle, who would you read tonight? | ||
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On June 10 2016 09:09 MoosyDoosy wrote: There's no way I'm living this night. Lynch beentheredonethat tonight obv and Skynx would be good for next day. Might have to look into it to make a case to convince you guys but I'm pretty sure he's Maf. Also you're not in the clear because godfather is a role so keep that in mind. True... Forgot about that, haha. That definitely complicates matters because I can see how I would be the logical person to cover up on Day 1 if I was scum. Shiet. | ||
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On June 10 2016 09:07 Tictock wrote: I disagree with this actually. Assuming your claim is true (and I'm thinking it's good) BtDt should be lynched, but if we just pile on him then today will be super boring and we will loose much chance to get info. Well, if we bandwagon BTDT and no one says anything, wouldn't that be hella suspect? If scum doesn't both to CC or to otherwise question Moosy, that would mean that Moosy is the actual scum. Perhaps we should all jump on BTDT and see what happens? | ||
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On June 10 2016 09:14 emperorchampion wrote: Oh man if Jealous was GF that would be fucking bananas "You are Quintus Cassius Longinus, Caesar’s Framer! Due to you voting to keep Caesar army together, you have been kicked out of the senate! However, you still have contacts. Once per night, you may get a Senate to send the wrong info on a player of your choosing. Causing them to show up as the other alignment after a cop check result A QT will be provided in your role pm, allowing you to talk to your teammates. You win with mafia." Wouldn't it be possible in this hypothetical scenario that someone else is the godfather and they used their role to cover me up as a second scum? Maybe not functionally different but it also throws another complication. Agh! | ||
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On June 10 2016 09:21 Tictock wrote: Well I could answer this, but I don't want to give scum ideas. Just think about it, and more importantly find a way to not have today be a long wait for him to flip. The only thing I can think of is waiting for a counterclaim, honestly. | ||
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On June 10 2016 13:58 Superbia wrote: Veteran/vigi should claim too Why would either claim?? They give up power and open the chance for a NK by being open. The only direct benefit to town for being open is cop and that's already happened. Perhaps if you could elaborate more on why you think this way? | ||
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On June 10 2016 16:18 Superbia wrote: I'm going back to work. IF someone does not understand the logic here I can explain it later. Don't be lazy though. Read my posts thoroughly and try to understand it first. I need help with your dice rolling interpretation. Between the two of us, either you presented the information incorrectly or I misunderstood it in our common language or I simply don't get the semantics. I don't know what dice rolling up is. I don't get your breakdown of tables and what each number value signifies for each of the six dice. Perhaps I misunderstood the OP, but in order for me to trust your absolute logic on the fact that BTDT is scum and Moosy is not, you will have to explain with more clarity, "Explain Like I'm 5," if you would. As of now, it seems foolhardy to trust your word without understanding your rationale, because if you and Moosy are in cohorts as scum, then town is doomed. It is an all-or-nothing situation, and as such I feel that if you're town you owe the newbs and town an explanation that is more coherent. | ||
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On June 10 2016 17:18 beentheredonethat wrote: Claiming doc is no fuck up. Moosys claim is not genuine if Superbia is right. And it is a wrong call due to me being framed if Superbia is wrong. I hope Superbia is right because if he is not and Moosy really is cop, then town loses both power roles within one cycle and the game is lost. I'm starting to think that I'm wholly retarded, because I don't follow your logic either. Can you explain it in greater detail, more inductive reasoning steps in between? | ||
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On June 10 2016 17:24 scott31337 wrote: Why would you need to bother putting pressure on him if you redcheck'ed him? I will venture an answer here for the sake of continuing your involvement: if Moosy is in indeed cop, then his role is only absolutely valid to himself; putting pressure on BTDT could force a slip-up from scum? | ||
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On June 10 2016 17:33 Superbia wrote: Okay. 3 tables: - Each start at 0. - Each time a die is rolled, one of the tables is incremented by 1 according to the die result. - When a table reaches 3 and that table is incremented, it goes back to 0. So tables go 0->1->2->3->0. Or we can say EVEN->UNEVEN->EVEN->UNEVEN->EVEN->... This is part 1. Now we tie each table's value to their respective role: Table T1: 0: GF, 1 framer, 2 GF, ...etc. OR: T1: Even: GF, Uneven: Framer T2: Even: Vigi, Uneven: Cop T3: Even: Vet, Uneven: Doc This is part 2. Now when we divide 6 increments over these tables, everything being uneven is impossible. Why? Two answers: Answer 1 is expanded: In order to reach everything as uneven, we need to increment all 3 tables by 1, which leaves us with 3 increments (dice rolls) left. But how do we divide the remaining 3? If we increase a table by 1, it reaches even. If we increase a table by 2, we are left with 1. Finally, if we increase a table with 3 it becomes even. As such, it is impossible to reach this result. Answer 2 is reversed. Mathematically we know that an uneven number of elements of all uneven numbers results in an uneven number when added up (try it out). The same way that an even number of uneven numbers always results in an even number when added up. As such, The addition of 3 (number of tables) elements all being uneven can never be 6 (an even number). Correct me if I'm wrong, but if there are 6 dice rolls for 3 tables, could the results not be 1+6, 2+5, 3+4, all of which are uneven and equal 7? Am I totally braindead about this system??? | ||
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BTDT is scum. Moosy is cop. Anyone defending BTDT is probably scum also. Superbia by extension must be town. Discuss. | ||
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On June 11 2016 02:33 Jealous wrote: (5)Neo Town Circle the Final: Jealous, Moosy, Superbia, scott, Skynx (3)Tau Scum 2.0: BTDT, Emp, TT Sorry, you might be able to put Skynx in Tau Scum 2.0 and maybe take out TT. "please please someone claim cop" | ||
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On June 11 2016 03:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: high five jealous! Hi5 | ||
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On June 11 2016 03:18 beentheredonethat wrote: Great. It's vet and doc then and you're not only lynching the doc, you also revealed the last blue to scum. Once I flip, the game is over if I counted correctly. GG MoosyDoosy, Superbia, and whoever is your third. Just for the record, it's impossible for Cop-Doc-Faker to be in the same game. So the scenario that you got faked and came up red for Moosy is impossible. The scenario that Moosy is scum and you are doc and I am vet is impossible. I am vet. You are scum. | ||
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On June 11 2016 03:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: it worries me slightly that btdt is tryharding to not be lynched but i'm going to hope shapelog actually did balance this game so that we don't actually have vet, doctor, and cop all in one game. It seems like standard panic-mode backpeddle to me. | ||
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On June 11 2016 04:55 Superbia wrote: You didn't have to claim z_z also slightly annoyed I was wrong I felt that today was a crucial day and it solidifies Moosy's claim and BTDT's crime. If someone else had come with a CC prior to me, it would have thrown a wrench in the works. As I explained above, roleblocker's last remaining use is to make sure I get killed in one night, which is not a relevant metric if we didn't overcome this hurdle today. I've effectively become a VT, but if my assumptions are correct and you didn't play an insane long-con, then Moosy, yourself, and I are all town. Please refer to the above post for the direction I think we should be heading in today for the remaining hours. | ||
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On June 11 2016 05:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: @Jealous, why are you townreading Superbia again? Just want to make sure. He was the first to jump on BTDT for the inconsistency and didn't question your claim. Of course, he could be throwing a scum under the bus after newbie scum made a mistake, but I find that possibility to be so outlandish. Overall, he's been nothing but benefit to the town. If he is scum, it is the greatest scum play of all time. | ||
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On June 11 2016 05:25 Jealous wrote: He was the first to jump on BTDT for the inconsistency and didn't question your claim. Of course, he could be throwing a scum under the bus after newbie scum made a mistake, but I find that possibility to be so outlandish. Overall, he's been nothing but benefit to the town. If he is scum, it is the greatest scum play of all time. EBWOP it may be worthwhile to examine his previous reads to look for inconsistencies, but I have company over so I can't atm. | ||
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On June 11 2016 05:41 beentheredonethat wrote: I just want to point out that the host did not answer the setup questions. You guys are about to lose the game because you lynch me. Two protective roles make absolute sense if there is a roleblocker in. I hold Jealous' claim for genuine. More points against Superbia: he was townread almost all the time. How is mafia not killing this guy? Points against Moosy: why exactly did he check me? He townread me before. So why say I am scum? Because my activity Level is low enough to make me an easy target. Also note that there are a lot of people that seem just fine doing - nothing. Those people are to blame once I flip. Again, I am the doctor. Moosy is not the cop. In a setup based on dies, Two protective roles are possible. Especially since this game's hosting has been rather slow and lackluster, no offense. If this is the case, the only explanation is that the game was set up incorrectly, and then we've all been playing in a dream world that was actually a nightmare. | ||
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On June 11 2016 05:59 beentheredonethat wrote: Superbia, MoosyDoosy, Emperor. Game solved. If there is post-game Talk, please quote this post when talking about how I solved the game but town was too ..not saying dumb, but it's not very intelligent, too... to win. Do you still not understand how mathematically your claim was obviously false, or...? | ||
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On June 11 2016 06:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: This would be the absolute worst case scenario. Actually, there are normally preset role scenarios in most newbie games but it doesn't look like it was applied here which makes me a sad panda. I will willingly screenshot my role PM post game as Gaius as well.I will second this as Pompey, but I don't think this is necessary. It would only invite fabrications and the like from any trying to claim false roles and it's not very hard to do. I would rather leave that door open and if anyone chooses to cross it, we would have an instance of try-hard, no? | ||
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On June 11 2016 11:04 Jealous wrote: Please post your reads on town/scum 2/2 | ||
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On June 12 2016 06:48 emperorchampion wrote: I vote we threaten to lynch Jealous unless he releases his updated data table  Please sir, can I just get an extension until tonight? Please! | ||
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On June 12 2016 07:40 MoosyDoosy wrote: Jealous if you're the scum godfather and did that fake claim with veteran then gg wp. I wish I was even remotely good enough to pull something like this. | ||
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On June 12 2016 09:43 emperorchampion wrote: Nice boys, just need to make it though the next day! So what about vig, think vig should hold shot, or maybe shoot moosy? idk tho seems risky There can't be a vig if Moosy is cop and I am vet. I'm inclined to believe Moosy. | ||
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On June 12 2016 17:48 Skynx wrote: So we have confirmed cop and framer, based on Superbia's math yesterday its impossible we have a doc that can save Moosy? Yes. | ||
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On June 13 2016 02:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'll take a look before I die. :D Good working with you Jealous sir. You as well, at least these last few days ^^ Cheers. | ||
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Looking back at Day 1 data, we have: + Show Spoiler [beentheredonethat] + BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum BTDT votes MoosyDoosy BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood + Show Spoiler [emperorchampion] + Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy EC softreads Tumble, QT scum EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum EC reads Superbia, TT town EC votes QT EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum + Show Spoiler [Skynx] + Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum Skynx votes QuickTwist Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast Skynx reads Tumble, EC town Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum Skynx defends Jealous @QT Skynx points BC + Show Spoiler [Tictock] + Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain Tictock reads Moosy scum Tictock reads Tumblewood town Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol Tictock reads Jealous town Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum Tictock votes QuickTwist Tictock reads Jealous scum TT points at FF for plynch TT reads QT, Skynx scum TT wants to lynch Skynx TT reads QT scum TT reads QT scum TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum TT corrects EC for BTDT TT votes BTDT TT defends BC | ||
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In the meantime, I will point out that for a scummy Superbia to have thrown BTDT under the bus would not make any sense because 1. he did it before there was any apparent threat to scum, 2. scum had a guaranteed win with a mislynch so why lynch a scum that day. I don't think it makes sense for him to scrap all chances for an immediate victory in hopes of a more assured ultra-lategame victory. | ||
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On June 13 2016 15:45 scott31337 wrote: That's better analysis than I did - I have been fooled by Tictock before to an extent - this was the game I played with him, he was mafia, I was town - we went to LYLO. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1 I do not know how much time you have, but I wanted to point out this game we played together. I actually wrote all of that based on your data, not mine haha. Thanks for the color coding. | ||
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On June 13 2016 16:14 scott31337 wrote: Do you think TT's the other mafia and not EC? I wouldn't go as far as saying that. | ||
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On June 14 2016 15:23 Superbia wrote: EC we have two lynches. If you could decide both of them, what would they be? And why? Why is the third person town? IDEALLY we have two lynches ;-; I'm working on a big post again btw so maybe we should coordinate after that is finalized. | ||
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On June 14 2016 16:13 Superbia wrote: Jealous how much time do you have near eod? I mean I could take like a 10-15 minute break from class probably. Class starts an hour before EoD and I can come in 15 minutes prior to the deadline on my phone. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Skynx] + I went into this expecting his posts to be more scummy than they were. There were maybe 3 or 4 suspect posts, but these two: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2016 00:45 Skynx wrote: So Scott replaced sqrt and there was that whole receiving role jazz. He was pretty happy on D1/D2 just sitting back enjoying town kill eachother as his filter didn't even fill a single page. He is experienced so I would expect him to at least chat a bit to get some town credit. This makes him unreadable and safe while he avoids any contributions to town. Mind you he was tied at 3 votes to QT for a long while. So he posts this list as a summary of his thoughts: So this is a shady read which can go both ways. Thinks I'm suspicious from my last post but likes my stlye? lol the irony This imo is a giveaway. While he's right about btdt's style his only mention of btdt returns at Moosy's claim. TT & FF tried shennanies on him, kush sr'd him and Scott was absent from the discussion. He doesn't really pushes his questions either: Not entirely scummy but still: Anyway, his sudden activity peak after a scum flip makes me wonder if it's just to take the heat off himself. He's also ready to jump on btdt without hesitation because he knows the real deal and it's inevitable at this point + it will give him town credit. So he shuts down any other argument: I'm not even 1 bit worried hihi + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2016 04:16 Skynx wrote: I agree with this, how is claiming blue beneficial to town? Let's say actual cop claims and 1 scum claims cop as well now mafia has a nk target. If that person was lying then the actual cop now has to suspect of another person which is actually town lol Also vet should never claim he doesn't get anything out of it other than having RB'd ez pz. They give me mixed feelings. The first one is clearly a defensive counter-attack against scott, which actually makes sense. The end refers to one of the posts I read as more suspect at the time, "Please please someone claim cop." At first I didn't understand why he wanted to seed more confusion into the situation, but I think I've figured out its true meaning: if someone claimed cop in order to CC Moosy, they would be just as dead as BtDt after BtDt flipped red. With this in mind, I don't think this post actually scared anyone into not claiming, and if Skynx was scum, he could have said something privately to the team in order to achieve the same goal without the potentially suspicious ploy. I would rate his contributions to the discussion and exploration of leads to be on the lower side, but that is partially hampered by the fact that he hasn't been as consistently active as some and that his reads on the first two days were wrong. I had the same reads, so I have a hard time holding that against someone, but it still needs to be noted. + Show Spoiler [scott31337] + On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote: Allright, I got some time to look over things - 1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses - 2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment. 5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter 6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean Venturing Vets 1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean 2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling - 4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy. 5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now 6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF 7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind I think I have too many "townies" - I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read. Although he read a scumteam at the end, I think that he did try to scratch nearly everyone's back by claiming nearly everyone town. However, he does bring that up in his post as well. Is that so that it would seem less suspicious, or is it honest acknowledgement of the fact that his reads are weak? WIFOM On June 09 2016 02:12 scott31337 wrote: Nothing really sticks out in the last couple of pages. I don't see a lot of defending kush which makes me worried, like fecal said yesterday. Super do you have any questions for me? Who would you like to lynch? This seems kinda low-effort and this was posted after kush was lynched - why raise these worries now and not the day before, as he says fecal did? It seems like he is trying to give out town vibes with a post like this. Given my reasoning above @ Skynx, this seems almost like an overreaction, unless scott also misunderstood the post like I did first/didn't think it through. However, now I'm wondering why Skynx didn't post something trying to clarify it? Hm -_-; This isn't much of a counter-argument but he does produce a point - why is TT throwing Super on a scum team when Super's analysis is the one that proved Moosy as cop and BtDt as a fake CC? Will be added to in my analysis of TT. On June 11 2016 07:20 scott31337 wrote: Skynx would be at the top of my list. The third one I'm quite unsure of though - I'd have to re-read filters and VCA. Considering scott's previous post @Skynx, this seems to solidify to me that he either 1. really wants Skynx dead because scott is scum and sees a wagon forming, 2. completely misunderstood the implications of Skynx's post, or 3. I completely misunderstood Skynx's post and he never bothered to properly explain it anyway. This is a pretty tricky situation and I'd like some feedback on this from others, especially Scott/Skynx. On June 13 2016 10:52 scott31337 wrote: Confirmed dead Final Vote Count: Day 1 QuickTwist (5): scott31337 (2): nnn_thekushmountains, beentheredonethat (2): Tictock, Fecalfeast nnn_thekushmountains (1): Superbia MoosyDoosy (1): Jealous (1): QuickTwist Skynx (0): Superbia (0): Not Voting (1): blkcoffee Final Vote Count Day 2 nnn_thekushmountains (6): Superbia, Skynx, Tictock, beentheredonethat, emperorchampion, Jealous emporerchampion (3): MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, Skynx (1): nnn_thekushmountains beentheredonethat (0): Scott31337 (0): Not-voting blkcoffee Day 3 vote count beentheredonethat (7): MoosyDoosy, Superbia, scott31337. Jealous, Tictock, Skynx, emperorchampion Superbia(0): MoosyDoosy(1): beentheredonethat Not voting (0): Now if I do 99-100% (Superbia only 99% for me, Jealous is 100%) + Show Spoiler [99%s] + Final Vote Count: Day 1 QuickTwist (5): scott31337 (2): nnn_thekushmountains, beentheredonethat (2): Tictock, Fecalfeast nnn_thekushmountains (1): Superbia MoosyDoosy (1): Jealous (1): QuickTwist Skynx (0): Superbia (0): Not Voting (1): blkcoffee Final Vote Count Day 2 nnn_thekushmountains (6): Superbia, Skynx, Tictock, beentheredonethat, emperorchampion, Jealous emporerchampion (3): MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, Skynx (1): nnn_thekushmountains beentheredonethat (0): Scott31337 (0): Not-voting blkcoffee Day 3 vote count beentheredonethat (7): MoosyDoosy, Superbia, scott31337. Jealous, Tictock, Skynx, emperorchampion Superbia(0): MoosyDoosy(1): beentheredonethat Not voting (0): And I do Skynx mafia and me town + Show Spoiler [Skynx mafia me town] + Final Vote Count: Day 1 QuickTwist (5): scott31337 (2): nnn_thekushmountains, beentheredonethat (2): Tictock, Fecalfeast nnn_thekushmountains (1): Superbia MoosyDoosy (1): Jealous (1): QuickTwist Skynx (0): Superbia (0): Not Voting (1): blkcoffee Final Vote Count Day 2 nnn_thekushmountains (6): Superbia, Skynx, Tictock, beentheredonethat, emperorchampion, Jealous emporerchampion (3): MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, Skynx (1): nnn_thekushmountains beentheredonethat (0): scott31337 (0): Not-voting blkcoffee Day 3 vote count beentheredonethat (7): MoosyDoosy, Superbia, scott31337. Jealous, Tictock, Skynx, emperorchampion Superbia(0): MoosyDoosy(1): beentheredonethat Not voting (0): I need to re-read Tictock's d1 and if he voted on btdt legitimately or was a throw-away vote (that the lynch was already secured) This post opened my eyes to something - Scott wagoned after me on EC on Day 2; I am 99% sure that this made it 4 votes to 4. Since kush flipped town, I think it is fair to say that scummy Scott wouldn't risk raising the votes on a scummy EC to the same count as kush's when there were still votes up in the air. So in terms of pairings for the remaining 2 scum, a Scott/EC pairing is relatively unlikely. Note 1. On June 13 2016 11:05 scott31337 wrote: Btdt/Skynx/EC? Ugh, might need to revise this pair read. Note 2. + Show Spoiler [Tictock] + On June 05 2016 00:55 Tictock wrote: Some townreads for now, then I'll be back after a shower to talk about scum reads. Super - Jumped right in and has been really focused on interacting with people to develop reads. I've also found our thoughts on a large number of things have been in line. Probably never lynching. Tumble - Dropping his thoughts when he feels like it, largely a meta read+ Show Spoiler + For you newbies, this means his playstyle is in line with what I've seen from him in previous games. Another hit and miss method of making reads Moosy - I'm not sure how to explain this read, but I'm decently solid on it for D1. blkcoffee - has the right combination of not really giving a fuck and getting excited about something There's a couple more town leans floating around but I'm gunna leave my town list at that for now. Spot-on reads. Maybe too spot-on? On June 05 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote: Ok I piddled around too long and am not going to be able to elaborate as much as I wanted to about my scum reads, but here is the short and sweet version. QT - There is just too many inconsistencies in his play for me to overlook. He pushed Super early for "trying to look town" + Show Spoiler + which is a terrible reason to scumread anyone, especially when that doesn't reall describe Super's play at all imo not openly giving my reads Sorry no time for examples Emperorchampion - I liked his open, but the rest of his posts fall flat and he quickly dropped the attitude he started with. The way he spent a lot of effort filterdiving QT + Show Spoiler + filters so early in the game? Thats it for now, I may get a chance to post later tonight, but likely won't be around till tomorrow. ##Vote: QuickTwist Targeting EC. Note 3. On June 06 2016 02:37 Tictock wrote: Humm the weekend start is keeping this game pretty dry I see. I might skim over the game again then since there isn't much new to read, and nothing in the past few pages has really swayed my opinion. I'm trying to decide how I feel about Scott's slot. Was sorta thinking the way the replacement happened could mean scott's is town, but thats pretty WIFOM and I'm mostly just grasping at straws. Sqrt's opening game posts just felt chatty and not really AI (alignment indicative) but show that he was around and ready to play the first hour of the game. Scott's posts leave a little to be desired... and I'm not sure why he seems so concerned I don't have Jealous as a hard town read. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2016 08:34 scott31337 wrote: hmmm no mention of Jealous here, and so far Jealous is my only townread hmmm Which sure I haven't given any thoughts on Jealous besides On June 04 2016 17:01 Tictock wrote: This is a terrible post to townread someone by, but I def want to keep you around now. I'm reserving my right to hold off giving a real read on him kus a few things have raised an eyebrow but I'm overall liking his posts. Honestly scott just seems like a coinflip atm and I'm not feeling inclined to lynch him. I'd like to know why people are keen to lynch him/his slot but nobody seems to be considering FF who arguably has done just as little. Defending scott, targeting FF. Note 4. On June 06 2016 03:22 Tictock wrote: Skynx was brought up and I had some misgivings regarding his opening (was going to include him in my post yesturday but ran out of time). I'm really not a fan of this opening because he's useing a one line rule to throw out very unfounded reads. There is also no indication that he is actually trying to apply the rule he's using here. "Town likes clarity" into "sounds towny" or "keeps things clean". I really have a hard time understanding why Super would have been the most scummy based on the criteria of contentless posts as well. This also bugged me Really odd dodgy answer after he very clearly gave QT a townread in his open (or at least a lean). I also find it pretty interesting how he refines his read of QT but his read on Super remains static. Since I'm finding QT fairly scummy myself I tend to agree with Skynx's little case on him, but I'm also aware that a fair few of his points were just parroting what had been mentioned already. I might be pretty fine with lynching Skynx today. Disclaimer: This post was written over a much longer period of time than it should have. There has been a random bit of roommate drama over that past hour so I've been a little distracted while trying to put my thoughts together. I'm gunna take a bit to resolve things then I'll do my little skim-over/catch-up and see how things feel as we are getting into EoD here. On June 06 2016 05:08 Tictock wrote: I kinda agree, the general flow of the game and how the votes are going seem to signal a very low key scum team that is probably not up for lynch atm. QT is also giving me vibes that he's not really to concerned with the pressure atm which isn't really in line with a try-hard scum playing the activity game. I'm wondering if he's a player more like Moosy who's play can be pretty questionable and is lynchbait. While he's kinda all over the place and I have a hard time tracking much line of thought he is being pretty consistent about putting stuff out there. Is your desire to lynch kush based on meta, or is it more policy due to him being pretty lackluster and only pushing a plynch himself? I think I might be more keen on lynching Skynx myself. Although he claims that this was written over a long time, I believe this is when the QT wagon was in full effect, so his targetting Skynx here might not be much of an indicator of anything, but I'll include it as Note 5. On June 07 2016 06:39 Tictock wrote: I might be ok with that if we lynch in this order Skynx Scott Someone Else Someone Else ... Super Though if you are really feeling like there is some similarity between his last scum game and this game then you are free to make that comparison for us. Note 6. On June 08 2016 03:19 Tictock wrote: Right now I'm still tempted to vote for Skynx but his list post wasn't terrible. Of the people voting QT I thought Skynx, Emp, and to a lesser extent Moosy were the weakest votes on him. Skynx stood out to me because he initially read QT as town but then got pressured a little for that read and ended up swapping his read and made that case on QT. Case felt somewhat contrived (especially when it wasn't his initial thinking on QT and idk why you case someone like that when other people were clearly of similar opinions). BtDt has made a couple of big posts but he focused pretty hard on Moosy without trying to convince anyone of his read or anything and I think he's on Scott now too which just seems like picking out easy/low impact targets to me. Emp and Kush both have some townie posts but the focus feels a little off. With Kush I get this sense of his town game but much more reserved. Like he's saying what he thinks, but not doing so in a way that pushes the game forward. Note 7. On June 08 2016 05:38 Tictock wrote: I'd kinda like to get back to you on this. But gut feeling? Super FF Scott and probably... Emp Blkcoffee Note 8. On June 09 2016 07:30 Tictock wrote: Scott first and formost since he keeps referencing my first scumgame to justify his fear read of me. Note 9. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/508622-newbie-mafia-xxi?page=87#1724 I just really like this post. + Show Spoiler [emperorchampion] + On June 06 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote: I think that Skynx could be scum, not really sure on the rest since I haven't looked too much into it due to not having too much time atm. Superbia / Tictock seem town. Fecalfeast / scott not really sure. Seems like a mafia move to push an afk tho, so I don't know what it accomplishes. I think my vote has to go into tumble / QT / Jealous to figure this out. Targets Skynx, note 11. On June 06 2016 20:58 emperorchampion wrote: Half-Life 3 confirmed tier (Release date: soon (tm)) - Tumble - Moosy - fecal - ticktock Null - btdt - scott - blkcoffee Cesar's Army - kush - super - skynx My feelings at the moment, will post more when at office. Target Skynx and 2 townies, not a good look, Note 12. On June 08 2016 03:06 emperorchampion wrote: Some thoughts on scum teams: -super, skynx, kush --> out unless crazy bus on kush -TT, Fecal, scott --> shenanananaigan duo + scott + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2016 07:17 scott31337 wrote: Hmmmmmm Or is that scums plan? wifomwifomwifom On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote: Allright, I got some time to look over things - 1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses - 2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment. 5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter 6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean Venturing Vets 1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean 2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling - 4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy. 5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now 6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF 7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind I think I have too many "townies" - I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read. I think these almost fit tooo well. It seems like he has spent a lot of time reading all filters, but has barely posted? Plus I find his scum read on TT pretty weak. - Moosy, kush, jealous + Show Spoiler + I think that moosy is likely town. However, reassessing as scumteam makes these posts very interesting (in no particular order): + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip? On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: I absolutely did not take every opportunity. Did you read the game? Mayhaps you'd like to take a look through my filter.What I did say is that both QT and Jealous were acting like idiots but out of the two, QT would have to be the Mafia. Looking at Jealous's behavior and his newbie slip at the start of D2, it looks like it's safe to assume he's town and put away the Jealous/kush tinfoil team. Just because I have a read on someone now doesn't mean I had it on them the whole game. Now would you care to actually read the game? On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yes, Jealous can be scum in multiple tinfoil situations and you can be unproductive by squabbling about it. Or you can actually focus on finding real scum than thinking of tinfoil situations. On June 08 2016 00:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: And no, your filter doesn't really show any sign of reading Jealous as scum. Instead, it seems more like you tacitly accept him as town than scum. So again. Why the sudden flip? - I think that kush kind of fits in here, but he could be replaceable by most i think. aaaaaaand I have to actually do some work for now... Defends Skynx and targets Scott. Note 13. On June 09 2016 00:04 emperorchampion wrote: Also I would like scott to show up and give his reasoning on reading Tictock as scum, I found it very nebulous. So many afks :/ At this point I would be willing to vote for scott/btdt/kush for begin afk, and particularly scott and kush since I'm giving them a scum lean. Softly defends TT, targets Scott. Note 14. On June 09 2016 02:13 emperorchampion wrote: Can you explain how you got your read on TicTock? Note 15. On June 09 2016 04:09 emperorchampion wrote: Voting scott, want him to answer some questions! Note 16. On June 09 2016 04:49 emperorchampion wrote: Why not scott, he seems pretty scummy, no? Note 17. On June 09 2016 07:11 emperorchampion wrote: idk, I'm so suspicous of both scott and kush I just realized that kush was the first to post Which was sheeped by pretty much everyone with basically no explanation. Scum reads all heavily favoured towns (well aparently I don't fall into that category LOL) This is fairly towny I suppose, but maybe pushing his own logic Otherwise I don't find much in his filter. I think these are the posts with the most content, and I don't really see what he's pushing for here. A lot of blank reads with no justification. Note 18. On June 10 2016 09:12 emperorchampion wrote: I'm not sure if I'm ready to throw my caution to the wind atm. I honestly only trust super, and I have a feeling that jealous/moosy/scott could be maf. Tictock seems to be making a lot of sense right now. Moosy's claim seems pretty genuine, but I don't want to give too much benefit to the first claim. Note 19. On June 13 2016 08:20 emperorchampion wrote: Sooo it doesn't look like anyone else is here atm, I think I'm out after this for the night Here's my scum power ranking: -Skynx -Scott -Tictock Half-Life 3 Confirmed List: -Jealsus -Super Note 20. So, going through these made me think of the situation this way: scum pairings. I didn't quote some of Skynx's posts that would apply to this list because I only had the thought while reading scott but they are in his filter. Let's look at the possibilities, if we take defense/scumread at face value. The note numbers are largely in sequential order with how I found them if you read the above spoilers from top to bottom Scott / EC = Not likely as per Note 1 under my Scott analysis, although later he does suggest him in Note 2. EC does target Scott to some degree in Note 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, Scott / Skynx = Not likely because Scott has been scumreading Skynx into the lategame. Scott / TT = Possible, has been defending him. Note 4 vice-versa. However, TT turns it around in Note 6, Note 8, Note 9. Scott right now has his vote to TT in a relatively high-stakes situation so I don't think it's likely he would take that risk, but he could shennanie. EC / Skynx = Possible, Skynx posted a fair amount of stuff townreading EC in the early stages of the game. However, EC targets Skynx in Note 11, 12. Then defends him again in Note 13? However, goes back to putting him at top of the list in Note 20. EC / TT = Note 3; TT against EC. Note 7. Note 8. Note 10. EC softly defends TT in Note 14, 15. Again in 19. TT / Skynx = I find this one highly unlikely because Skynx spent a lot of posts questioning TT and questioning other people's reads of TT as town. Skynx also defends BtDT as "not a big target," even does it as a separate post after-thought. Note 5 had TT scumreading Skynx. Note 6. I need to see this post in post form before I can form further analysis. | ||
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Scott / EC = Not likely as per Note 1 under my Scott analysis, although later he does suggest him in Note 2. EC does target Scott to some degree in Note 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, Scott / Skynx = Not likely because Scott has been scumreading Skynx into the lategame. Scott / TT = Possible, has been defending him. Note 4 vice-versa. However, TT turns it around in Note 6, Note 8, Note 9. Scott right now has his vote to TT in a relatively high-stakes situation so I don't think it's likely he would take that risk, but he could shennanie. EC / Skynx = Possible, Skynx posted a fair amount of stuff townreading EC in the early stages of the game. However, EC targets Skynx in Note 11, 12. Then defends him again in Note 13? However, goes back to putting him at top of the list in Note 20. EC / TT = Note 3; TT against EC. Note 7. Note 8. Note 10. EC softly defends TT in Note 14, 15. Again in 19. TT / Skynx = I find this one highly unlikely because Skynx spent a lot of posts questioning TT and questioning other people's reads of TT as town. Skynx also defends BtDT as "not a big target," even does it as a separate post after-thought. Note 5 had TT scumreading Skynx. Note 6. Going based off this, and giving more weight to later notes (damn, wish I came up with a better system like SCOTT1, SCOTT2, etc.): Scott/EC: Not likely. Scott/Skynx: Not likely. Scott/TT: Not likely. EC/Skynx: EC's damnation of Skynx hasn't been very vocal but it is his most recent. Gonna leave this one for now - it could be that EC is hedging his bets against an evident Skynx bandwagon? Would look suspect if he is the only one defending him. EC/TT: EC has seemed to defend TT while TT targets EC. I don't know what to make of this except that maybe it is again EC trying to make an ally/appear townie? TT/Skynx: Highly unlikely. Altogether it seems like the most likely pairing is EC/Skynx, however EC is the one I am more certain of between the two. I welcome outside thoughts on this. | ||
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Right now the relationship between all of them can be described as: Scumreads: EC > Scott > Skynx > TT > EC EC > Skynx Scott > TT @_@ I need a mental break now. | ||
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On June 14 2016 16:32 Superbia wrote: That's fine. I'll try to be here a few (2-3) hours before EoD so we can discuss some more. I'll be there. | ||
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1. Moosy claims dtec, me town, BtDt scum. 2. BtDt counterclaims as doc either a. without consulting his scum teammates, because if Superbia was scum he would tell him that is mathematically impossible and an unnecessary risk or b. at the insistance of Superbia 3. Superbia effectively proves BtDt is scum, and I seal the deal by claiming 4. BtDt then spends an unprecedented (for him) level of effort in order to defend himself 5. BtDt gets lynched, Town lives for another day when scum could have won on that day. 6. Superbia is scum and got himself a ton of town cred I mean, I see where you're going with this, but isn't this mad convoluted and an unnecessary risk? They didn't even wait for any real wagon to start on BtDt. | ||
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On June 15 2016 02:07 Superbia wrote: What I find to be damning about scott is the fact that he didn't seem to give a shit yesterday but is giving a lot of shit today. Both days were mylo for town. This is a good point, but you have to consider that yesterday's lynch vote was decided pretty early on because of input from me and you. The window for scott to give much of a shit was pretty brief, partially because I didn't wait long enough to claim and that's my bad. | ||
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On June 15 2016 02:15 Superbia wrote: The reason I feel EC is town is because essentially all possible scum on the kush train got their vote in early&safe with a non-reason. He was the easier push so mafia probably didn't give a shit about the lynch either way. One day two, the votes were tied 4/3 Kush/EC after I voted. Next to vote was Scott, who made it 4/4. That is when EC switched to kush to make it 5/4, which potentially means nothing because it could be him saving his hide, or it could mean everything if he is scum and both remaining scum had already voted for kush so scum had no more votes to swing on. At that time, kush still hadn't switched his vote to EC to make it 5/5 and blkcoffee was still a variable that could have presented itself. That's why I strongly believe that between EC/Skynx/TT we will find our last two scum, but out of those 3 the most evident are EC/Skynx. Skynx has provided a lot of content these past few pages, which is nice, but while reading it almost felt like he was reaching for a dreamworld of some sort, like building a card castle to the moon. Also, it was relatively uncharacteristic of his prior posting habits. It's nice to see him make a late push like this and I will relook it before I leave for class. | ||
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On June 15 2016 02:35 Superbia wrote: EC's d1 read on me goes town -> scum for seemingly no reason. So messed up. TT is on EC, Scott is on EC, I'm on EC. I think if you vote EC, the only way we lose is if TT/Scott is the team, which I find to be unlikely. | ||
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On June 15 2016 04:04 Skynx wrote: Lol which part makes you feel that? Anyway I tried to stay consistent but I'm busy during the day. Why is Scott not mafia? I feel that way partially because you're painting TT as scum and I don't think he is. I follow your logic on TT's posting habits but I don't agree with it. You seem to agree with an EC/TT team, so vote EC. | ||
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On June 15 2016 05:02 emperorchampion wrote: This was all due to N1. You said "kill EC if I die during the night", which is either bad town or mafia. Then when tumble did the same to you, you said "now maf will push me if you die during the night", trying to shut down anything ahead of time (I presume). I wifom'd over this for a day basically, and came to the conclusion that it doesn't make sense as mafia to push someone during the night, then call someone else out for doing the exact same thing while putting yourself in the line of fire. This was what I needed to deal with, because otherwise I think throughout the game we have had a very similar view on on things. And now, I can't imagine a world where Super is mafia due to day 3, so I feel that my read has been pretty justified. I never said this. Never said that either. I agree with you that Super isn't scum, but the only one pushing the contrary is TT. | ||
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On June 15 2016 05:04 scott31337 wrote: I've got a network install I'll be on the road for a bit. Jealous has my sword. I've put my faith in you as Elrond. If you should betray me know I will never trust you again. | ||
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On June 15 2016 07:40 Superbia wrote: Like pussy out on my watch and join my vote. You will lose no pride if it's a misslynch. Nah I'll stay here. Best case scenario, EC flips red and we have something. Worst case, we lose. Don't see a better choice. | ||
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On June 15 2016 07:41 emperorchampion wrote: Jealous I don't think you are in the right place lol I'm sure you don't but we will find out soon enough. | ||
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On June 15 2016 07:43 emperorchampion wrote: Jesus if you weren't confirmed town you would be so scum lol Yea lol. It is kinda funny. The possibility still remains that I got framed on D1, but I assure you I am vet, possibly a retarded vet tho. | ||
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On June 15 2016 07:44 Jealous wrote: Yea lol. It is kinda funny. The possibility still remains that I got framed on D1, but I assure you I am vet, possibly a retarded vet tho. If we lose right now, I firmly believe I am scum MVP without being scum. Which is absolutely terrible. | ||
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This is why when I was confronted with the question "who do you want to be?" I shied from responsibility by saying I didn't really want to be a PR and have actual sway; my first two votes have shown this ;; | ||
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On June 15 2016 07:49 Skynx wrote: Who's next if he's scum thats the problem If EC flips red then I would go with you being the other scum. The connection between EC and TT was weak. You are the missing link. | ||
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On June 15 2016 07:50 emperorchampion wrote: GUYS ARE YOU READY TO SHENANIE??? `0- -0` `0- -0` `0- | ||
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On June 15 2016 07:50 emperorchampion wrote: GUYS ARE YOU READY TO SHENANIE??? You're either referring to the 2 remaining townies besides yourself, or the 1 remaining scum besides yourself. Either way, nothing can change. | ||
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On June 15 2016 07:53 Jealous wrote: You're either referring to the 2 remaining townies besides yourself, or the 1 remaining scum besides yourself. Either way, nothing can change. By 2 remaining townies I meant 3. | ||
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And I was wrong. But I'm not shennanying. | ||
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Unfortunately that means I will be lynched tonight, right? Unless the remaining scum determines that it is more profitable to be rid of Superbia. | ||
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I probably will, but I want this on paper. | ||
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This gives everyone a lot to work on. | ||
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On June 15 2016 08:19 Superbia wrote: You do realize that if people had actually suddenly switched I probably would've voted back on EC? I have questions but I'd rather see how Scott responds first. Scott if you dodge this scenario in the next 24 hours I will raise hell. | ||
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On June 15 2016 08:22 Jealous wrote: I have questions but I'd rather see how Scott responds first. Scott if you dodge this scenario in the next 24 hours I will raise hell. Correction, if you dodge in this scenario in the next 24 hours and I die then there will most definitely be hell. I trust my axe to you, town. | ||
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On June 15 2016 08:19 Superbia wrote: I only truly believe in my own reads man. I don't doubt that you're town. This is not really the answer I was looking for; You can't possibly be examining a Skynx/Scott team anymore, which was your read to start with. Do you feel any reason to aim for EC/TT over EC/Skynx as I did? Or perhaps EC/Scott? Please solidify your reads tonight in case either one of us goes. | ||
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1. Get rid of Superbia, who is of greater potential value to town based on reads/experience. 2. Get rid of me, who has a PR. At this point, it will never hurt them to just RB me and kill me. I am the equivalent of a VT at this point. (If I understand the math correctly and they do have a RB). 3. Get rid of Scott, who just got major town cred for following me in the lynching of a scum and will likely follow whoever is the most town come D5. In effect, he will probably follow either me or Superbia. 4. Get rid of whoever is not scum between Skynx/TT, which in my opinion would be stupid but there is no reason for anyone in here to suspect any besides these two. However, scum could spin some crazy super-believable shit. These are in order of likeliness from my perspective. Logic should dictate (if Superbia can confirm that this is mathematically sound) that if 2 happes, a person who is essentially a VT because the last remaining scum is a RB, gets NK'd then I would place my bets on Superbia or someone who is trying to frame Superbia. 3 or 4 is retarded. I tried to conjecture it, but there is really nothing I can foresee that creates a favorable scenario for scum if 3/4 happens besides intentional confusion. If 3/4 happens, I would be likely to suspect Superbia as well. But now that I've posted this, would this be bait for framing Superbia? WIFOM. I feel like something I posted here must have some value haha. | ||
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Tbh I am drunk so idk what I was thinking but it makes no sense to me right now so disregard this atm. | ||
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On June 15 2016 16:37 Superbia wrote: If you want to fight me tomorrow then we'll fight. Either way you need to be pressured as well. Where the fuck were you during EoD? Damn dude, never seen you get flustered like this so far. Why so angry? | ||
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On June 15 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote: Final Day 4 vote count emperorchampion(4): Jealous, Scott31337, Tictock, Skynx Scott31337(0): Tictock(1) Skynx(1): Not voting (0): Currently, Emperorchampion, is set to be executed. Day 3 ends in All votes must be casted in the voting thread here: Link. I find it highly unlikely that TT is scum because his vote guaranteed that EC would get lynched even if the remaining three people (Superbia, Skynx, EC) all voted for another person because of the way the vote rules work. Although, it is still possible that Skynx made TT shenannying pointless and thus TT just decided to stay on EC. Similarly, it is possible that Skynx knew that there was no way he could change the outcome of the votes so he went on EC despite them both being scum. I am going to say the second scenario is more likely. | ||
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What bothers me about this is that I doubt BtDt made a claim like that without conferring with his scum colleagues, so this would mean that Superbia would have to have told BtDt to claim an impossible role, reveal that it was impossible to curry favor, have BtDt continue to incriminate himself by claiming yet another role, and thus eliminate any chance of scum winning on D3. That just doesn't seem like a smart thing to do. | ||
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Cheers to all players, special shout-out to Blazinghand for being a dopecity coach, all of the mods/admins in this great newbie mafia that brought me back into the game, Scott for being my right-hand-man after my claim and never doubting me, Tictock for being a solid townread for me from the start, Superbia with the mathematical wizardry, Moosy for the claim timing and overall interesting play. Greatest apologies to QuickTwist, slightly less so to kush. Props to scum for making this game a sweaty mess; even when I got the two reads that I would later know to be correct (EC + Skynx), I felt dazed and confused. Thank you for an enjoyable experience, everyone! | ||
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"Moosy, super n jealous are nonfactors." I have great respect for Moosy and Super for crafting this image when in the end they proved to be two of the most pivotal town players. No shame on you Skynx, D1/2 were mad confusing, it felt like the wild wild West. But to have these two players come out in force in D3 and be "non-factors" in D2 is just so pro. | ||
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Quote from mafia QT @emperorchampion after D2: "Oh man, I think that frame jealous and kill super could be a really good play, like game winning but it's a bit of a gamble. frame skynx seems like the logical options, but I'm almost inclined to go with the yolo call " This yolo had some serious potential. Respect for EC rising. "OK so this isn't final, but here are my votes for kill/cockblock if the others show up: 1) Superbia 2) TickTock 3) Jealous I kind of like super more, but I'm also thinking he might get doctored. I think TT could be dangerous since it seems like he wants both Skynx and beenthere dead. Also I like TT for kill since he is less likely to get doctored I feel. I don't like TT because it could be a huge tell." This too. As I'm working through the list I can't help but feel "Thank god I voted to lynch EC and stayed on that damn wagon when I did." Quoting shapelog: Skynx has gone to another country where QT is blocked. I told for now to commcate via PM, but I prob going to move this to another messaging program. Damn that sucks!!! Sorry I had 0 time to do anything today, just catching up. Skynx you definitely did some scummy things but you're trying hard and that's cool. People have a very hard time lynching an active player over an AFK player, even if the AFK player is less scummy than the active one. This is a real thing to remember as scum, especially on TL where last minute switch are frequent. Unless you screwed up a looooot, which isn't the case here, you always have a chance to save yourself by being super active near deadline. One thing you all are not doing are talking to each other though. Unless I missed it I don't think there is a single interaction between any two of you ? It's definitely partner indicative if one of you flips at some point Strong point from Rels ^ !! Moving onto the PM exchange between Skynx and EC, I am fully appreciating how different and difficult the game is from Mafia standpoint in this format. I somehow underestimated how much they can coordinate, and how in-depth. Reading their reads is so interesting! Quoting EC: Maybe we can push a Moosy / Scott / Jealous team. Jealous will defend himself vigorously in his own crazy way, we can swap in Moosy / Scott / Beentheredonethat as the team. I feel like Super and Tictock could buy that. Just the skeleton of some thoughts, any comments? This read is so strong. Quoting BTDT: It is. He has the potential to go nuts on us. LOL is that my rep now Going further into posts, it alarms me how bright of a target I was in D1/D2 while lynching townies and being a PR, lol. I should be more careful maybe? Quoting EC: We just need to corrupt one of Jealous and Super and we win. THAT'S WHERE YOU MESSED UP Quoting Rles: I have no idea what's going on with blkcoffee, but a modkill here would help you a lot. It means it's MYLO and town needs 3 correct lynches in a row to win. In that situation you should go hardcore bus (push another teammate as your primary target) all day and fight with him all day. That way even if he flips it's unlikely the surviving scums are lynched the next day. The important part to get town credit is not voting for a scum but fighting with him / shutting down his argument. Keep that in mind if you chose to go this way. Pardon me, but you are a slimy scummy fuck and I will never trust you after this. Quoting EC: Also we know there is a vet, I'm pretty sure it's either super or jealous. If it is jealous we are in trouble. Muahahahha Quoting BTDT: It's pretty much vanilla now, roles are useless once Moosy is dead. I feel like having been fucked over by the host though. That might very well just be salt, so I will sleep a night over it and See how i feel about the issue tomorrow. Sorry mate Quoting Rels: /m142 I will do a better post on what you can do tomorrow 'cause I'm pretty tired right now. But yeah anything to look like you're scumhunting is good. Rereading the dead scum's filter to find "partenrs" might be a good idea. Whatever you find you should present it in a way that is pushing SKynx as your primary target. There is very little chance he isn't lynched today I guess finding "partners" was a good idea for town as well, since I nailed it Quoting Rels: bro it's entirely possible something crazy happens between now and the deadline. It's only an "IF", but if you have the time you should try to post things and be townie by getting emotional little by little because remember: YOU are town, if you're mislynched the game is lost. So fight and become more and more angry and start screaming with caps when there is little time left, like 15-30 minutes before the deadline, and the lynch might go to someone else in the chaos. Or maybe not, but it worth to try Now I know what to look for >;D | ||
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On June 17 2016 22:35 emperorchampion wrote: Haha, I forgot about: "Oh man, I think that frame jealous and kill super could be a really good play, like game winning but it's a bit of a gamble. frame skynx seems like the logical options, but I'm almost inclined to go with the yolo call " Yeah in retrospect framing Jealous and killing super probably would have won the game This would have been potentially game-winning in Day 1/Night 1, but unfortunately Moosy checked me on Night 1 and you posted this during Day 2, so it would have had less of an effect. If you had this idea in Night 1 then yes this would be incredible TBH. As of now, I don't know whether to write it up as luck, logic, or genius for Moosy. WP all around. I know! That's the beauty of it. Being non-factors to scum while having a PR and eventually becoming pivotal in math read is amazing. Props again to Moosy and Super. | ||
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On June 18 2016 01:34 beentheredonethat wrote: Good game everyone. I had fun. Not going to play this kind of setup gamble again though, I'm here for the guessing, not for the math. I have to admit that I'm still salty, however I really want to put emphasis on Superbia's (and Jealous'!) effort that was put in. Shame we didn't get the clean victory but were reverse swept instead, but yeah that's life in ancient Rome. Cheers  It's really unfortunate how that spun out of control for scum, but at the end of the day you have to know what rules you are playing with and Superbia seems to be the only one that managed that so we were blessed to have him alive and on town's side when push came to shove. D3 was incredibly pivotal as a result of that, and you should have been more mindful of the rules, but then again I think none of us read them as closely or at least understood them to the level that Superbia did so I can't throw stones in a glass house. This was one of those "lesson" games where I learned a damn lot, the analysis of the rules being one of those lessons. | ||
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On June 18 2016 01:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also I am so glad mafia team didn't mention i voted myself d1 and trolled hard in thread or focused on me too much in discussion with coaches. Both Damdred and especially Rels would have picked up the scent of blue from miles away. If I remember correctly, I think you were called out at one point in the scum QT! (before your reveal of course). | ||
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Jealous
10122 Posts
On June 19 2016 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: tbh i have no idea why QT was lynched. Both him an Jealous seemed pretty obviously town on D1. Like.. that was one of the most obvious t/t fights i have seen in a game. I feel like there really wasn't anyone else to lynch at that time. D1 lynches seem to be a toss-up in general, unless something crazy happens. | ||
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Jealous
10122 Posts
On June 21 2016 06:43 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I think my reads were awesome, especially for the amount of time I put into the game. so I was scumreading skank, ec, tt, btdt. only person I was wrong about was TT and that's because I hadn't gotten around to filtering him. Seems like a good read with poor support is no better than a poor read ): | ||
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