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On April 22 2016 07:19 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:17 Tictock wrote:On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks. How come you are not pushing me? Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.
And yet you joined the SL wagon and now the FF wagon without either of those while you seemed to return to the game with a scumread on me...
Feels like you are being pretty opportunistic here and just going with the flow rather than pursing your own thoughts and reads.
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I got bad vibes from this lynch.
Seems like it's gunna happen regardless and nobody agrees with my other reads so bleh.
Maybe I'm wrong. *fingers crossed*
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On April 22 2016 07:27 Damdred wrote: And Tt doesn't want to consolidate anywhere just waste his vote so anti town
Humm yea you could be scum.
You know I do this all the time is the votes not close and I dont like the wagon.
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On April 22 2016 07:29 Damdred wrote: Get on his then.
But you are so anti town here tr
Yea... I didn't want to lynch HtS either.
I mean you were the one saying we shouldn't lynch LS or HtS an hour ago...
None of my lynches were gunna happen.
And why are you singling me out for solo voting when you've seen me do it as town in this exact situation?
Shoker about that flip.
I'm gunna mull things over for awhile and I need to check where my post count is as well.
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On April 22 2016 07:38 Damdred wrote: Because you were the only on and gb I believe who were actively bad,mouthing the lynch without doing Jack shit basically.
All of you solo voters were anti town at best.
Eh, I can't argue with this actually. I prob should have at least yolo voted gum with fidei, but it felt like it wouldn't matter anyways.
Also...
On April 22 2016 07:40 Tumblewood wrote: NO gdi why did you all sheep me. Told you not to but you just wouldn't listen. Shape/hts/gum on the tail end of the wagon... Usually i'd say there's one scum on the wagon but there might be two. Running out of phone battery though but will definitely be here before EoN1 (probably tonight though)
This makes me think my vote was probably in the right place anyways.
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On April 22 2016 07:35 sicklucker wrote: ballz wont be able to catch up till later tonight. go raptors!
Fairly dissapointed there was no follow through on this. Means SL basically just showed up as a wagon formed up on him, complained he didn't have time kus of another game, then fucked off as soon as the lynch was over.
I was going to call-out GB for saying Damdred was a hypocrit but he seems to have realized that was quite an exxageration.
Haven't really had a chance to relook at EoD yet, and there is a chance I wont be able to till after daypost. I bet there was at least one scum on FF, at most there was two, but more than likely scum were all spread out in the voting.
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Nice. Good shot from our Vig.
Thoughts having just skimmed to catchup:
I'm sure Damdred was shot due to him being like the only person to try and organize town EoD, and for almost getting SL lynched. I wouldn't link him being shot to his reads being particularly great (not saying they were bad, just disagreeing that his death means anything about his scumreads).
Besides I really feel like HtS is town, the way she jumped on the VCA and associative reads (which look fairly solid at a glace, but I want to look at on my own) looks exactly like an excited town taking off with the new info from the flips. Also the way votes went down makes her pretty likely to be town. It would be a pretty weird time for scum!HtS and SL to double buss.
I'm liking Fidei a lot less, he's throwing out really weak associative stuff.
On April 23 2016 07:07 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote:On April 22 2016 07:03 sicklucker wrote: oh votings today I thought it was tormorow? why am I being lynched I gotta ask I think at this point the onus is on you to tell us why we shouldn't lynch you. As in, you really haven't done much at all this game. TT is scum, I think. This post is beyond Derp. I'm reading on a train with spotty reception so may not be able to post. If I die I strongly suggest you lynch TT. But if Dani doesn't die by day 3, it's probably her.
What about that post makes me mafia Fidei?
Re: HtS's proposed scumteam. I could tinfoil Koshi being scum this game (his reaction to my first real post and subsiquent adopting my posts formatting did give me a weak buddying vibe), but I doubt it. Fidei and Gum are much more sus than Koshi to me atm who would have to have suddenly gotten extremely good at mimiking his town play as scum if he is scum here.
Gum I think looks worse not only for hammering FF, but also kus I am kinda tinfoiling his "slip of the fingers" vote on SL to be distancing or just wanting to have a vote on SL on the books in case he ever flipped. I also still find it pretty odd how he came into the game near EoD with a semi-case and seemingly strong scumread on me then just rode Damdred's heels all EoD. I'll also note that this scumread has prettymuch evaporated since then even though he was saying the only reason he didn't push it harder EoD was due to being on mobile. None of his posts since then seem to have any interest in pushing me or reevaluating me based on EoD.
I'm putting my vote on Tumble again, nothing has changed my opinion on him and I thought his posts after the flip were shit (look at Damdred's and HtS's posts if you want good reasons as to why they were bad). The association thing HtS points out looks kinda weak in that post whe was pointing out, but when you also note that Tumble avoided the SL wagon when it was forming and instead went for FF (voted a null read over a scum read) it looks pretty solid. + Show Spoiler +Sorry HtS if that was your point and I just missed it while skimming
I have a pretty strong feeling that the last scummers are in Tumble/Gum/Fidei right now.
Oh and I almost forgot, but I think SL flipping red makes GB town. GB was pretty focused on SL and SL's reaction to his push didn't look like mafia talking to mafia. I could prob tinfoil SL just telling his team to buss him right off the bat this game since he was pretty clearly not making much effort, but I prob wouldn't worry about that unless more than one of my scumreads flip green.
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Yea... that seems like a pretty solid claim.
##Unvote TumbleDood
Although I'm mildly upset that his means I should relook at things.
....
Well I should but I'm just gunna vote gum.
This kinda reeks of TMI and mafia sided thinking.
On April 23 2016 11:43 gumshoe wrote: Welp the Damdred shot was pretty peculiar, he want giving off any blue vibes and he was also super active/trd. Which meant he was likely to be healed.
So scum must have ether a) been actively jeopardized by him enough they risked the shot or b) saw that he was so off the trail they figured killing him would further their cause and remove a solid townie at the same time.
This of course pertains to the alignment of one tumble weed, damdreds prime case and the reason I assume for the risky shot onto him. Going by the effective case work so far deaddam and liveskies and the type of scum team the death of sl seems to imply we're dealing with, I think the obvious reasoning of starlord being shot to buy some space for a reeling scum team seems fair.
So yeah I see no reason to get fancy, I'll take a tumble today.
##vote tumble
Mafia sided thinking here in Bold. Evaluating Blueness of Damdred and focused on potential of KP blocking.
I also don't like the type of scum team the death of SL seems to imply...
as part of the reason why he wanted to lynch tumble.
Plus I already pointed out how Gum was lapdogging towards Damdred EoD so him doing it again here doesn't impress.
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I'm at work so not gunna bother with quotes atm.
I really don't have a read on DYH so I glanced at his filter. I noticed he never really gave a read on SL till his list post at night and even then he basically just said he didn't want to make a read yet. Could very well be lurking mafia but I'd place him closer to a null read based on a few of his posts having decent thinking.
@HtS what made you change your mind on LS?
Idk about Shape, need to give a proper look at his filter (actually I'm not sure if I've even bothered to open his yet). On the one hand my gut read is leaning town but the quality of his posts feels a little lacking and are reminiscent of his play later on as scum in Storm. HtS's point about his vote on SL is decent, but I don't think it's as strong as she is making it out to be.
Think thats all for now.
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Cool, HtS doing the legwork for me. I'll just trust my gut reads then.
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On April 24 2016 07:44 Koshi wrote:godfuckingdamnit Again I pressed post too fast. The bolded I find somewhat townie: Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 13:23 gumshoe wrote:On April 23 2016 13:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 23 2016 12:33 gumshoe wrote:On April 23 2016 11:59 Tumblewood wrote:I like HtS's associative D1 reads post, but besides that I hate to inform you that you're not lynching me today no matter how shitty or lazy my play is. + Show Spoiler [proof] +On April 22 2016 06:59 Tumblewood wrote: Voting sicklucker? I don't know why everyone switched all of a sudden. Going now but will be back just before deadline. On April 22 2016 07:40 Tumblewood wrote: NO gdi why did you all sheep me. Told you not to but you just wouldn't listen. Shape/hts/gum on the tail end of the wagon... Usually i'd say there's one scum on the wagon but there might be two. Running out of phone battery though but will definitely be here before EoN1 (probably tonight though) On April 23 2016 06:54 Tumblewood wrote: Don't care about conserving posts because I have so many right now. Even with one post per two minutes they wouldn't run out by eon anyway SL is probably the one looking weirdest to me atm damdred looking even stronger gumshoe is looking a little better on mobile, will be useful tomorrow though amazing how inconsistent one's capitalization can get without anyone noticing damn it's going to be nice to be a potential nightkill for once Umahgod that's amazing, your incredible and I look so baaaaads XD kill me now plox, I'll just put out some reads before I die and it'll be ok. Seriously I could not have fucked up worse, just just put me out of my misery please.
##unvote
Also pretty sure tic is town, all his points on me are solid honestly, his lung thing was just the only scummy thing I saw at the time but honestly he's just not that scummy besides that ##vote gumshoe wtf gumshoe you didn't have to go full beggar mode there's still like 40 hours On April 23 2016 12:40 LightningStrike wrote: So TW actually breadcrumbed his role being Vig. Well that puts a spin on everything about today. good use of a post ls On April 23 2016 07:51 gumshoe wrote: Uh, I was so wrong on sl it hurts,
This changes a lot about the day 1 lynch so hopefull there's stuff to find there.
Damdred flip does not suprise, but he was pushing hts pretty hard, so it's interesting that scum chose to take that pressure off her. hey gumshoe here's another land mine for ya: do you imply by this that you think hts is scum[mier]? OH MAH GAWD MORE SHELLS YAAAAY Also dont worry, I'll def throw out as much as I can regardless, but yeah I really feel like dying today, this is just the worst string of luck bad play I have ever combined. I was implying hts was a bit scummy yes, but then I saw the case damdred put out onto tumble and thought he was the one that killed for pressure relief. Now that thats not the case I'm kinda coming back around to hts as scum / : (cause thats def gonna help not get me killed XD) I will review her filter, she may very well have killed damdred to destroy the one big townie who could be a threat to her / : then pinned that scenario onto tumble, (even though he was coming around to town reading her after) sigh duck ALL I KNOW IS SHAPE IS TOWN, ALL HAIL SHAPE.
I'm really not understanding what you find townie about this Koshi.
Imo Gum has basically claimed scum with his play today, and here he is basically admitting he has no scumreads. Really the only thought he seems to have coming into today is this NK wifom about why damdred is killed, and notice there was no real follow through with this.
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On April 25 2016 02:49 LightningStrike wrote: I honestly getting weird feels about lynching gunshoe and the fact he's fine with being lynched is very odd for a scum to do unless their name is kurumi who claimed scum to get rid of sicklucker and Superbia in Storm. But on the other hand sicklucker pile was quick and he tried to get the lynch off him which was successful on his part. Very weird feels for me about this lynch indeed.
This is also in response to Tumbles last post as well.
Its kinda odd, but tbh I think its even stranger behavior for town. I see he just posted a WoT with some reads ( I only have a ten min break so will only be able to read part of it before it's over) but he waited to ~2 hrs before the deadline to put in effort.
I just don't buy town feeling like they are in as bad a spot as gumshoe is saying he is in. Like there was a game I played where I was the gunsmith, Onegu (as scum) faked a redcheck on me and I derped and said something about being a miller then claimed my role. Everyone thought. I was so full of shit Damdred even fake CC'd my claim as VT and made it so that everytime I posted everyone was just like " why are you even trying scum?"
Even in that situation I kept posting and sharing my thoughts and reads because I knew that eventually I would flip town and those might be useful. I don't see that from gum here, just a lot of " woe is me" type posts and then w/e he has in that WoT.
I'm only going to be around breifly before EoD to reevaluate and look at what happens in the next few hours, but I feel like we kinda have to lynch gum at this point because he never took the oppitunity to do anything till now and we really shouldn't let another EoD like D1 happen, especially in the case that gum is scum and is hoping to play on sympathy and the odd feeling of a slow day.
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Ugh, 3 pages in the past hour... Somehow I figured this was going to be the case.
Wont be home for a bit and not sure if I'll get fully caught up in time. Just managed the finish gums WoT and subsequent posts on w/e page that happened on.
I'll admit I am getting more of a townie feel from these posts, especially this one and the one where he defends Koshi.
On April 25 2016 05:00 gumshoe wrote: I'll consent to lynching fedie or gb, otherwise it's better to just kill me (the scummiest townie) cause I don't see a red flip coming from anyone else.
Just doesn't seem like it matches up with a scum agenda, which would be to survive, if he's defending the counterwagon and pushing people who aren't exactly highon peoples to-lynch lists.
Not sure thats enough to convince me with such little time to think things through but it's a start.
Fidei would prob be my pick to lynch if we aren't lynching gum.
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Fuck it theres no chance I'm gunna be able to read stuff.
On April 25 2016 07:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 09:30 sicklucker wrote: Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard Ticktock is looking really strong I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game Gum probably town from what I know about him FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked. Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts 4 Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts
He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:
1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.
Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective
He clearly missed the many posts by me and my comrades that my post ment nothing. sicklucker here pushed GB Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 09:31 sicklucker wrote: Gb do you or do you not just always push me everytime you get a red pm in the inbox? Did GB answer this? Is this talk between buddies? Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:21 sicklucker wrote:On April 22 2016 07:17 Half the Sky wrote:20/40 On April 21 2016 22:56 Half the Sky wrote: 15/40
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sicklucker, I went through your post and I have a few questions
(1) Why is Tictock strong? (2) LS has faked his meta as mafia (which you allude to as cute) in Cell Mafia. Give me something more concrete as to why he's town (3) Shapelog hasn't made concrete reads - that should tell you something. His filter isn't very long... (4) Expand on GB's scum meta of pushing you - I've played with you both quite a bit and I'm completely unaware of it. sicklucker, I had these questions of your list post. And Fecalfeast, what prompted you to suggest voting me? 1 . Cant even remember I got 5 minutes. He had good long posts early when I read the game idk 2. He was quite active for him and doing his usual routine like hes town 3. vote him then? Dont read his posts at all see storm qt 4. gb pushes me everygame as scum. I think thats pretty plane as day. he pushes me quite alot as town tho but he has a 100% rate over a pretty big sample of games 20_ of always trying to lynch me but never succeeding. probably why I dont respect his scum game despite it having a good win percentage more about GB So is this between buddies or not? I don't know. Do you know?
This stuff is why I was thinking GB was town from the SL flip.
...however the fact that his push dissapeared later in the day & that GB never actually voted SL is kinda suspect.
It looks like DYH is the other wagon people are voting on... idk he's been underwhelming and he's avoiding the big topics of discussion but I'm not sure if that makes him scum.
Blah, idk. Maybe I'll flip a coin.
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Voted DYH even though I'm rather uneasy about these shennanies.
The stuff between GB and SL seemed to not be mafia on mafia... I think/hope
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Nice, whew.
I gotta run out the door kus dinner with the fam but this bodes very well boys.
Apparently we are dealing with sleeper mafia.
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Hey I managed to catchup with this and even what I missed at EoD.
I actually think DYH flipping red makes gum pretty likely to be town. DYH started off the game putting suspicion on gum and that is just super unlikely for mafia to do that. Plus I actually liked his play once he started playing again.
I have a feeling that the last scum was on the DYH wagon, given scums position this game they basically NEED to buy as much towncred as possible to have any hopes of winning this and lynching your other lurker teammate is a good way to do it.
I can see GB being scum, and gum's "case" on him isn't bad, but I'm having a hard time believing it's that easy. I'm vaguely reminded of haunted mansion where so many things pointed towards GB being scum... But it simply wasn't so.
Call me tunneled, lazy, or scum, but my gut is still telling me Fidei is scum. His vote fell on DYH early but I noticed a lot of posts where he was talking about needing to consolidate onto koshi/GB (kinda like he was hoping one of the other wagons would win out). His reaction to HtS calling him possible scum also felt VERY defensive, like he needed to show how that flip makes him town.
I could possibly tinfoil Shape and LS as mafia here but it seems pretty unlikely.
I may do some actual work looking into stuff tonight, but don't get your hopes up. I'm sure mafia have no interest in NKing me and my day tomorrow is pretty busy again.
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Woke up a bit early so I'm gunna read through Fidei's filter and see if my scum read is justified or just me being tunneled.
On April 21 2016 22:48 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 22:40 LightningStrike wrote:On April 21 2016 22:28 Fidei86 wrote: [8/40]
Sorry for my inactivity guys. RL excuses. I have some time now for a little while, but chances are I won't be around at EOD / or at least I'll get home just around then.
@LS are you really saying that the only reason you're scum reading HTS is because she's pushing you and because you consider yourself an easy target? What about the other people who are pushing you (Koshi, for example)? Koshi isn't really pushing me as hard as HTS, HTS knows I a easy target to pick on if she's scum(which I think she is) she also didn't really give much of a read on FF when she defended him vs Koshi(I don't think she really gave a read still to this point unless I missing it). [11/40] Buddy, I'm starting to think that the universe is playing a cruel joke on me. Every game we play together we're both town (pretty much). Every game I am utterly convinced that you are scum, and you never are. But this is so bad. I have argued in previous games that people were pushing you questionably because you are an easy lynch. But in this game you've actually made points and arguments and generally playing a lot better than you have before. Nobody else (other than me) has accused you of being an easy lynch. And HTS' read on FF? Yeah, Koshi's point was fine. HTS elaborated a lot on a null read. But lots of people don't have reads on lots of people. Fuck, I barely have reads on anyone (and I'm town), but you haven't called me out on it. Are you saying there's an association between FF and HTS? The thing is, I don't think you're dumb enough as mafia to get into a shitfight with HTS this early on. You *know* she's probably a top 5 player on the site, and she always catches you. Unless you're being smart and trying to throw her radar off by going on the offensive. Ugh. Can people start saying who they plan to vote for? Right now I could lynch SL (inactivity), gumshoe or GB. I don't have the town feels about anyone in particular, but I can't see myself voting for either Koshi or HTS, if only because they've been active and coherent, and voting particularly active people off when my reads are as weak as they are seems dumb.
Noting this post due to it being the first time Fidei mentions SL in his filter. This was well before any wagon on SL started so he should get some town points from it, but here is why I feel it's a bit odd.
On April 21 2016 06:24 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 05:09 Tictock wrote:Right now I wouldn't be opposed to lynching any of these people for varying reasons. 4. Shapelog 6. Fidei86 7. DoYouHas 8. Tumblewood 9. GlowingBear 11. LightningStrike So whoever is town in this list if you could pick it up a little... The reason why I really really don't like this post is that it seems to be something of a "here is who isn't saying much" list, except that it doesn't include SL, who has said one thing so far? (Maybe two?) Unless there are good reasons for all these names that aren't to do with inactivity, and which will be explained later I guess. [6/40]
Here Fidei is both calling me out for having a list that is more or less inactive/underwhelming people, and he seems to have the opinion here that lynching for inactivity isn't a good reason.
I can understand why he called me out for leaving SL off that list, but it's weird to me that he goes from calling my list bad for only being focused on inactive people to scumreading SL for being inactive. The tinfoil-loving side of me thinks Fidei pointed out me leaving SL off my list and puttin him in his own scum list (for the same reason he didn't like my list) shows TMI about SL's alignment.
Not sure this is terribly strong though. Fidei dropped his vote on Gum and was afk EoD1 so there isn't much info to gain on him from those shennanies.
On April 22 2016 09:34 Fidei86 wrote: Drunk James says its HTS / TT / Damdred. But this is definitely one of the weirdest games I've ever been in.
If I'm vigi tonight I shoot LS though. Dude doesn't string a sentence together for four games in a row and is town. He posts a WOT tonight and nobody bats an eye.
Having reread some of his earlier posts about me I can understand why Fidei has a scumread on me, the HtS read feels like it's pretty unfounded though and is more a "fear" read (she COULD be scum...).
A nit-picky point here is also why Fidei is suggesting a Vig shot on LS here. I don't recall him having a strong opinion on LS before and it's odd he doesn't want vig to shoot any of his scumreads (supposidly SL would still be a scumread on Fidei's here and the same logic he is applying to LS here should also apply to SL).
Granted this is a "drunk" post but I really have no clue why Fidei is suggesting Damdred is scum here, especially when he had just agreed with Damdred over this post.
On April 22 2016 09:29 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:27 Damdred wrote: And Tt doesn't want to consolidate anywhere just waste his vote so anti town This
Stuff like this is why I started scum reading Fidei yesturday.
On April 23 2016 07:07 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote:On April 22 2016 07:03 sicklucker wrote: oh votings today I thought it was tormorow? why am I being lynched I gotta ask I think at this point the onus is on you to tell us why we shouldn't lynch you. As in, you really haven't done much at all this game. TT is scum, I think. This post is beyond Derp. I'm reading on a train with spotty reception so may not be able to post. If I die I strongly suggest you lynch TT. But if Dani doesn't die by day 3, it's probably her.
No explanation as to why this post makes him think I'm scum (this was even still before SL flipped btw) and this "if Dani isn't dead tomorrow we lynch her" is just super weak and unfounded.
Honestly I just feel like the scumreads Fidei has on me and to a bigger extent HtS are extremely lazy and haphazard.
On April 23 2016 08:05 Fidei86 wrote: SL's filter goes very bizarrely with HTS being scum.
Stuff like that, he provides no evidence why he thinks this, just throws it out there.
On April 23 2016 23:33 Fidei86 wrote: Having read back through the filters, I've sort of talked myself back round on HTS and TT. There is a lot lot of suspicious stuff in their filters, but nobody else seems to see the link / soft defending I see, and I may just be paranoid. Both have had some pretty good analysis since the D2 flip. And as I said before, SL went after HTS pretty hard in circumstances where it was more than possible she might actually become a target.
As I said before, if Dani makes it to D4ish, I'm going to get the mega tin foil out. But for now, I'm okay with her as town.
TW is town obviously. I'm pretty sold on LS as town, actually.
The issue I have now is that all of Shape, GB and DYH have been particularly underwhelming. I'd put shape at the higher end of that, but DYH and GB have been borderline useless. I think looking carefully at their filters, which I'll do now, is likely to yield dividends in terms of solving this game.
(Yes, I accept I just flipped on my two top scum reads, was wrong on Damdred and SL and have also been very questionable this game. But I know I'm town, so there).
Just kinda funny he says "talked myself back round to HtS and TT" when he has been pushing us as scum pretty much all game with no signs of thinking otherwise... Especially when he talks about how SL went after her in circumstances that don't make much sense for scum to bus in the same paragraph.
This post is also, I think, the first time Fidei brings up DYH, this was pretty early in the day.
The issue I have now is that all of Shape, GB and DYH have been particularly underwhelming. I'd put shape at the higher end of that, but DYH and GB have been borderline useless. I think looking carefully at their filters, which I'll do now, is likely to yield dividends in terms of solving this game.
His next post about DYH?
On April 24 2016 00:33 Fidei86 wrote: @DYH what's going on in your personal life bro? Busy at work? New girlfriend with legs that go all the way down?
His next post on GB?
On April 24 2016 00:41 Fidei86 wrote: I want to believe GB is town, but he has been so low energy, and his list post was so nit-picky, I cannot rule him out.
The main thing I want from GB is to get over losing Damdred, his only strong read, and tell the rest of us what he's thinking.
Really doesn't look like he tried to make a read on DYH at all. Lets look at how Fidei's read on DYH evolves over the rest of D2.
+ Show Spoiler [A bunch of posts] +On April 24 2016 00:44 Fidei86 wrote: Just had a thought: all the people TRing me for garbage meta reasons (DYH, Dani, TT) are probably all town. Because I think my play in this game has been pretty damn awful so far, and any of them could have easily pushed me as a mislynch. On April 25 2016 05:51 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:19/40 On April 25 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote: @HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently. I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear. On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either. Do we think Shape's voting exhonerates him? If he were scum, if he'd managed to be on a wagon on scum that then got overtaken by a town wagon, I don't see why you'd then flip onto a town wagon at the last moment. That's just way too much weird play to make sense from a scum perspective. Unfortunately, that also means that DYH's play makes a lot more sense. So I'm at Town: LS, Shape, TW Confused about their voting right now: Koshi, gumshoe No particular reason to lynch: DYH Not scum as not pushing me???: HTS, TT ??? GB On April 25 2016 06:35 Fidei86 wrote: Why do you think it's DYH? He can't be accused of flooding the thread, but the thing I was really concerned about (his flip on Shape) actually makes a bunch of sense considering Shape's voting. On April 25 2016 06:57 Fidei86 wrote: Dani, how can Shape be mafia. What mafia gets onto a bussing wagon, then stays on it until AFTER another wagon has formed and is hitting town, to get onto the ML. That just makes no sense to me.
DYH though, I could dig. I'm going to re-read his filter again. Note: This time there was some follow-through from Fidei looking at DYH On April 25 2016 07:03 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:24 DoYouHas wrote: @LS, I would very much like to hear your opinions on Koshi, GB, and HtS. This might be a nitpick thing, but I'm not sure why DYH wanted LS' view on GB, after he hard town read GB like an hour before. On April 25 2016 07:10 Fidei86 wrote: Fuck it. I'm voting DYH. I'm not sold on the gumshoe / Koshi lynches, and I'm not sure I want to lynch GB either.
##Vote: DYH
Honestly that read is a confused mess. Fidei goes from thinking DYH could be town, to not wanting to lynch, to semi defending DYH, to "I could lynch" again, and finally this fuck it vote onto DYH.
The thing that bugs me here is that his read isn't changing based on stuff he is seeing from DYH, and while he twice says he's going to filter dive DYH he never really does that (sure he brought out one quote the 2nd time but he's hardly trying to conclude anything there).
Now that I'm at the point where Fidei puts his vote on DYH, lets look at how he played the rest of EoD.
These are short and I want people to see what I'm talking about here so I'm not spoilering.
On April 25 2016 07:11 Fidei86 wrote: I'll consolidate onto GB over gumshoe/Koshi though.
On April 25 2016 07:13 Fidei86 wrote: Shape please vote ASAP so we can narrow this shit down.
On April 25 2016 07:16 Fidei86 wrote: SHAAAAPPPEEE BROOOO you gotta vote in the next five minutes or so so we can have a sensible discussion about consolidating.
On April 25 2016 07:22 Fidei86 wrote: Can people please get their shit together and vote now. If nobody else is switching I need to decide which of GB / gum / Koshi to lynch.
On April 25 2016 07:24 Fidei86 wrote: If it was GB I actually think he'd fakeclaim here. The last time he was mafia in a game I was in he did. The last couple of times he's been town, he hasn't claimed.
Okay, so that's a dumb reason to TR someone, but it just makes me even keener to lynch outside of those three.
On April 25 2016 07:28 Fidei86 wrote:This town is allergic to consolidating
So after putting his vote on DYH, these are the rest of Fidei's posts EoD. Notice what I was saying?
He's talking a lot about consolidating but he keeps talking about people OTHER than DYH who he is voting.
Also note the last post there... here was the vote count at that time (or slightly before actually).
On April 25 2016 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Day 2: DoYouHas (4) - LightningStrike, Fidei86, Koshi, Shapelog GlowingBear (2) - Koshi, gumshoe, Half the Sky gumshoe (2) - Tictock, gumshoe, Tumblewood, GlowingBear, Half The Sky, Koshi, KoshiKoshi (2) - GlowingBear, DoYouHas, GlowingBear Shapelog (0) - KoshiTumblewood (0) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoeAt the current vote, DoYouHas is slated to be lynched. until deadline.
Why is he upset that people aren't consolidating when people have been steadily joining the DYH wagon?
That last bit is why I found this a little overblown.
On April 25 2016 08:02 Fidei86 wrote:Dani. Are you actually serious right now. How on earth can it be me. I was the one saying "hey, we could def lynch DYH here" and then I voted him second, when GB had three votes. I could have easily gone on GB after clearing gum and Koshi. And also, I am basically universally townread (or at least, nobody seems to have me on their scum list apart from TT). In what universe do I as mafia enter the thread, call the two leading wagons (gum / Koshi) bad, then REFUSE to get onto the GB wagon WHEN IT WAS LEADING BY MILES and bus the GF. ARE YOU ACTUALLY F'ING SERIOUS WITH ME RIGHT NOW. The only reason you're IN ANY WAY thinking it could be be is to keep the lynch pool wider than it might be. Which I guess is a good reason not to move you off the top of my lynch list
Looking at the posts at EoD I think it's fairly clear that Fidei was not actually ruling out any of GB/Koshi/Gum and in some ways was pushing them (very weakly) while his vote was on DYH.
Other than that there is nothing actually wrong with what Fidei is saying here, and tbh if I am wrong on Fidei it's because of this post.
On April 25 2016 07:24 Fidei86 wrote: If it was GB I actually think he'd fakeclaim here. The last time he was mafia in a game I was in he did. The last couple of times he's been town, he hasn't claimed.
Okay, so that's a dumb reason to TR someone, but it just makes me even keener to lynch outside of those three.
This is the only post from Fidei which is (though indirectly) actually suggesting that people should move to DYH by giving a reason to TR GB who was looking like the only other viable wagon. I will note though that this came at ~6 min before the lynch happened and it was looking like DYH was the lynch.
If I get time I'll look over SL and DYH's filters, but given their low activity I'm not sure I will find much to either tie or distance Fidei from this scumteam.
The TLDR here is don't give Fidei a pass because he voted 2nd on DYH, he really wasn't pushing that lynch and multiple times avoided giving a read on DYH. Even when he DID put his vote down for DYH it doesn't really show much of a read on him.
On April 25 2016 07:10 Fidei86 wrote: Fuck it. I'm voting DYH. I'm not sold on the gumshoe / Koshi lynches, and I'm not sure I want to lynch GB either.
##Vote: DYH
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On April 25 2016 07:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Final Votecount - Day 2: DoYouHas (5) - LightningStrike, Fidei86, Koshi, Shapelog, TicTock GlowingBear (2) - Koshi, gumshoe, Half the Sky gumshoe (1) - Tictock, gumshoe, Tumblewood, GlowingBear, Half The Sky, Koshi, KoshiKoshi (2) - GlowingBear, DoYouHas, GlowingBear Shapelog (0) - KoshiTumblewood (0) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoeDoYouHas is slated to be lynched.
It's interesting that DYH and GB were voting together here. If they are both scum this is a pretty weak attempt to stay alive by voting together on a wagon that is probably never going to happen.
Idk it's super weak, especially since the lynch was between GB and DYH, but I wouldn't expect scum to be voting together like this. I'd expect a scum!GB to make the swap to DYH to at least pickup whatever towncred he could, but honestly that's pretty WIFOM.
Still, this plus the stuff between GB and SL is enough to make me prefer a Fidei lynch tomorrow over GB.
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4. I get onto DYH despite him being the GODFATHER, which would leave me at the mercy of a possible redcheck end game. Unless you think Artanis included a godfather but no cop .... Which could happen. He is Dutch after all.
I don't know why everyone always assumes this despite half or more games having a GF but no cop.
Anyways, what are your actual reasons for scumreading HtS Fidei?
Like you've been saying she could be scum all game but have done jack all to try and show why you think she is, or in this case why you want to lynch her first of your PoE scum pool.
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