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On April 20 2016 08:11 DoYouHas wrote: You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it. Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye. Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever. This feels kinda nitpicky and more a narrative you are projecting on what Gum did than what actually happened LS is a bit interesting, he's half joking but a bit too serious for the start of the game imo. On April 20 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote: I was just being blunt on what I thought thought Gumshoe had said and I was making it a tiny bit of a fun joke because I hate trump myself but his supporters are even worse :\ Anyways Gumshoe is likely town based on my only game playing with him in Storm with his style of posting matching his style of posting here. I really don't think a scum gumshoe would vote anyone this early in the game and breaking down a case like that. He goes into defensive mode here pretty quick, and his stance on Gum does a 180 here. (He said his vote was weird before, but here he says scum!Gum prob wouldn't vote anyone this early) Though tbf Gum did make a WoT post between then, still kinda a sudden flop. LS also way overuses that pic of the guy smoking a blunt in tinfoil, which I only mention kus it kinda bugs me... even if it's a good tinfoil pic. Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh. Shape has me slightly worried due to the way he's setting up a posting style for himself. Prob not a good way to explain it. I like Gum for the amount of content he's putting out and for having similar thoughts to my own. That's about all I got for the moment. Well at least all I feel like sharing atm. | ||
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On April 20 2016 18:28 Fecalfeast wrote: Ticktock can be town, anyone up for gsl? Yep. Hopefully the games aren't so one sided tonight. Obligatory game related question: What are your thoughts on Damdred right now FF? | ||
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On April 20 2016 18:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I think it's weird for everyone to have so many reads so early in the game, to be honest. It's tempting to townread everyone who's doing things right away but really anyone could give an opinion on everyone that's posted with sofew posts actually saying anything. Basically a long winded way of saying IDK maybe town? 5 btw I didn't ask for your reads just what your thoughts were. In fact if you notice in last big post I didn't call anyone town or scum (thought you might imply that based off what I said). So "idk maybe town" isn't really what I was hoping for. Mixed feelings about Koshi's push on FF, on the one hand I like the pressure but I'm not seeing anything particularly scummy about FF. In fact if I had to point to anything that might make me lean scum on FF it would be his lazy townread on me, but Koshi kinda did that too. + Show Spoiler + Part of me wonders if Koshi was trying to buddy me in #116. Calls my post "really good" and sets the bar, and proceeds to imitate the formatting I used. Just a tinfoil thought... I guess I agree with HtS about FF too, I've seen him lazy as town and scum. Tbh I'm not sure he's really done anything alignment indicative yet, partially why I asked him about Damdred (figuered he plays with Damdred a lot so might have some thoughts). @LS what made you have this expectation of me? TT post irked me a bit yes because considering the start of the game I would expect him to try to stir up discussion sooner rather than later due to post restrictions :\ Also why did you bring up your last scum game when you are saying HtS is going after you for being an easy target? On April 20 2016 23:49 LightningStrike wrote: I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here. IIRC you played fairly well in that game and have been working to improve your play in general. So that kinda works against you being an "easy target". Just feels like OMGUS to me, and kinda weak omgus at that. Part of that is that you spent 4 posts on this point, but didn't really say anything in any of them. On April 21 2016 01:26 Tumblewood wrote: I liked LS's comment that Tictock was making a post to say that he wouldn't be contributing. The only people I am considering as possible scum right now are you, Shape, and TT but that's obviously subject to change. I am townleaning Koshi because of his solid entrance, but I don't think that Damdred has done anything he couldn't do as scum. I am also getting used to your style, so I can't yet be sure whether your method of reading me is scummy or just unfamiliar. It would also help to know whether you have a tendency to be overexplainy as town/scum. I made a post saying I'd be around later, idk how you interpenetrate that as saying I won't be contributing. Sure if I never followed that up then this is a point, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that I did follow up... So why are you (or were you in this post) thinking that I or HtS are mafia? You actually said this: HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. Which besides being kinda funny (you are only thinking that you are town) it's odd that you put LS on the same level of townyness as yourself. Was there more to this read or is it just because you like his comment about my open? Getting towny vibes from Koshi now, #148 and #149 in particular feels like a townie pushing his thoughts. Also kinda like the latest couple of posts from FF and I kinda agree with his point about Fidei's opening. | ||
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4. Shapelog 6. Fidei86 7. DoYouHas 8. Tumblewood 9. GlowingBear 11. LightningStrike So whoever is town in this list if you could pick it up a little... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ERxkPzh.jpg) | ||
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On April 21 2016 05:14 Fidei86 wrote: 2/40 @TT do you 'kind of' agree with it or do you actually agree wh it. My opening wasn't long and FF's point wasn't complicated. Not sure I see much middle ground. It seems kind of a lame agreement-but-not-really from you. But I shall read the rest of your posts / the game before deciding for sure. I got to p7 before my swim. But all I really noticed was LS was making points. So I should re-read from the start. Which I will. I kind-of agree with it in the sense that his point tracks, but a weak open doesn't necessarily make you mafia. I'm not sure I'll have much time tonight for this so I think I'm going to place my vote on Tumble for now. His opening consisted of quoting and responding to 3 posts, but really had no content to it. Just feels like a "look at me talking about stuff" kinda post. + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2016 10:02 Tumblewood wrote: I've been considering trying a meta like this too. Think I'm going to join you this game. Why do you take this opportunity to talk about plynches I give this post a 1 out of 1. There wasn't much to make out of this, but you made all you could. Well done. Bam look at this efficiency I do in one post what you do in three Also was that gumshoe vote not a joke His push on shape about plynches doesn't really make much sense. I just don't get why Shape saying he dislikes policy lynches is so important to Tumble, feels more like he is making something out of nothing. + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote: Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain. On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote: Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues. He says: me [Tumblewood] and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. With pretty weak reasoning for the LS townread... His scumreads are weak. + Show Spoiler + Shape- for not giving better answers to his Plynch questions? HtS - kus she is scumreading his townreads (himself and LS) Myself- Kus my first post said I would come back to the game later. It also doesn't seem like he's reading that game too closely. His read on me is based on my first post but doesn't seem to have noticed I've made more posts than that. Also this series of posts doesn't seem like he's reading very closly/not paying attn. On April 21 2016 02:37 Tumblewood wrote: Like this post but mostly because it affirms what I was already saying. Why don't you want to be the driving force behind conversation? Also like this post, GB gets to be a townlean for now. Solid, original insight. On April 21 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote: Actually no The post I think you're talking about-- are you sure that's serious? Could easily be a joke or to get a reaction. ##Vote: Tumblewood | ||
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His list post wasn't terrible and I kinda doubt he'd back off LS with the reasoning "hes so cute and trying hard" as scum. So while SL is being very low key this game I'm not feeling like that is scum indicative. Feeling ok about Fidei now as well. He seems like he is invested in solving the game. I think HtS is town. Everything she's been posting looks to me like she is trying to question and evaluate people fairly. The only thing I see people scum reading her for was for her saying that activity is a bad way to read FF (she's right, it's usually a bad metric for anyone since both alignments can be lazy). I just don't see it, and she is putting out loads on content and several of her points have mirrored my own thinking so I'm inclined to believe she is town. At the very least I think she is a terrible D1 lynch given the effort/content she is making. I think I'm going to take a nap or something then try to reread this game since it's pretty short. Right now I'm inclined to think scum is in: Shapelog - None of his posts have stuck out to me, he's kinda background noise LS - Just feels off, feels like he's wasting posts and has very little to actually add Tumblewood - that post where he says "me and LS are the people I'm thinking are town" really bugs me, and I really don't get why he's so sure on that townread on LS. GB - All I see is him doing is tunneling SL for a silly point that never makes him mafia. Tbh though I'm not really confident in any of my reads right now. Kinda thinking it might be a good idea to lynch into people who are not really contributing just so that later days become a bit easier and the game stays active. GB would be my pick if we go that route. | ||
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And screw trying to make this a content rich post, I doubt I'm ever getting close to 40 posts this cycle. | ||
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That reads post from GB actually seems pretty good after a quick read. A bit hesitent to call him town though because I've seen him screw around and save his effort for EoD before as scum. Still his thoughts felt pretty coherent and reasonsble ... Idk I think I'll reevalueate after rereading the game. @HtS About the time. I asked FF whathis thoughts on Damdred where I glanced back at his filter myself. I got the sense that his early posts where half joking half stirring up discussion which made me lean town. Since then I haven't gotten any strong feels off him. The posts I quoted from Tumble about GB felt off to me since Tumble jumped in early on to tell GB that he was joking, but then called GB's case on SL "solid thinking" when it was about the same thing he was saying was a joke earlier. Then he caught that and retracted that read a bit. It came off to me like Tumble wasn't paying attention to what GB was talking about there even though he was around when GB first started questioning those posts from SL. @ Shape, My read on Tumble hasn't really changed. That line just continues to bug me kus it's a weird thing for town to say. He basically said he considers LS to be as towny as himself, which either means hes totally sure LS is town or that he's not really thinking of himself as town. | ||
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I actually like Gum a lot less going back through. His case on damdred is pretty weak, but it's pretty weird that he spent almost as much effort talking about why is own case is weak as he did talking about why his vote wasn't a joke. Then he goes and retracts it immediately. + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2016 08:39 gumshoe wrote: you assume I meant it as a joke : P I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice, ! he then wasted a second post saying the same thing / : I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias. 1: it would be fluff (policy lynch) 2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable. Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses. so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia. the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / : also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this, (his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically. new section- why gumshoe is wrong. 1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh 2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce. 3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed. 4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh 5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P overall case stability-3/10 On April 20 2016 08:46 gumshoe wrote: admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong, ##unvote this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels. slight townie read (5) All I see later in his filter is a slight suspiscion of Shape that goes nowhere, a strong? townread on HtS, a townread on LS that I actually hate (He's town because he's omgusing HtS and remembering past games...what?) maybe he messed up his quotes (no idea why Damdred's is there) and I'm missing something... On April 21 2016 03:04 gumshoe wrote: this paranoia reads to me as townie as ls it shows ls is keeping games in the back of his mind as he plays. Which makes me think hes trying to improve as we speak, something scum tend to lack as scum tend to improve in alot of other different ways that have little to do with past games (better lunging, anti association, ect). Just looking over the case/retraction and further posts I get the sense gum is having a hard time looking for scum and his absence from the game for over a day now kinda resonates with that. Still rereading, just wanted to get that down and out before I get distracted by something else. | ||
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On April 21 2016 06:20 Koshi wrote: I forgot why I would be mad at you so no. LS is ok for now. 3 good posts. No fluff. Seems honest. Pushes game forward. All based on his train of thought. Why would we kill this guy? I'm using a whole post to call this read on LS bullshit. LS made probably more fluff posts than anyone and the last 2 of these "good posts" are just LS useing weak meta to justify an omgus scumread on HtS and a townread on Tumble. The sad thing is that since this is Koshi I'm not sure if this read being terrible means anything... Is this still your read on LS Koshi? + Show Spoiler + In case you missed the subtext of this post... No... I'm not finding anything towny about LS in this read-through either. | ||
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On April 22 2016 05:48 Damdred wrote: Also the vote count looks exceptionally nasty. I don't think ls or hts should,be up for lynch today. Especially ls hrs been one towny mother fuckers this game. Koshis is never scum here I think so SL is voting someone who he thinks is probably town but doesn't care another scum point. Tt and did really aren't pushing as hard as I thought. Any way I think we need to get this down a bit more to a couple wagons to,get real,information instead of so spread out doing whatever we want. And no ls no lynching hts today maybe tommorow, hoe she's randomly dropping names to see if people think they ate scum bothers me. Anyway. What is making you townread LS so hard? I never recall you saying much about it and most of the townreads I see on him feel pretty bad. I kinda want to lynch him just for saying this (I'm somewhat certain it wasn't a joke) If he [SL] thought the Earth was flat I would of called him scum for that fact. Plus I just see him posting a lot with little content. I kinda stopped rereading btw... I found myself skimming after pg 10 and loosing focus so... yea. Anyways... On April 22 2016 04:53 Tumblewood wrote: The reads post from GB seems good + he sometimes screws around until EoD = still hesitant to call him town? I don't see why that would make you more hesitant. Re: GB, that was because filters don't give context. Re: LS, of course I'm more confident in my towniness than LS. I said I've seen him save his effort for EoD as scum (re: Devil Inside Mafia), so him doing that here makes me hesitant even if I liked the content. And regarding the bolded, then why did you make this statement? On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote: Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues. It boggles my mind that town would refer to themselves like that. Idk part of me thinks SL could be town, but I can't really find anything to back that up... he's been really lackluster and looking over his filter I don't see any motivation to find scum really. I'm also warming up to the idea of lynching gumshoe the more I think about it. | ||
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On April 22 2016 06:16 Damdred wrote: Idk I kinda just want to lynch sl He thinks koshi is town and voted him anyway total throw away vote. Hasn't really done anything. His ls read is strange to a point so are a few others. But I'm having a hard time finding someone I want to lynch in the actives I feel like I'm having more of an issue finding people I solidly think are town this game. Koshi feels like town Koshi, but he's kinda attacked half the game and his LS read was bull. HtS and Fidei are probably my strongest townreads based on tone, activity, and drive to solve the game. You (Damdred) strike me as town for starting off trying to generate discussion and trying to lead town now when votes are all over. Shape feels a little better to me having reread the game. I thought the way he approached a few of his reads felt towny, though tbf I think I'm largely going on something I noticed about his read on me so I take it with a grain of salt. GB and FF are floating in a "I think they are town... maybe" space for me. Which leaves me: 2. sicklucker 7. DoYouHas 8. Tumblewood 11. LightningStrike 12. gumshoe | ||
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On April 22 2016 06:29 Damdred wrote: LS is town reading people for ok reasons, isn't being lazy. Is going out of his way to scum read people and somewhat pushing a lynch. Scum ls is the most passive person in the world and waits and sheep's is lazy and usually doesn't have scum reads. Ie he is town here. Plus all his posts feel ok On April 22 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote: Plus he's being lynched atm and doesn't really care about surviving or giving up his push. He's so town atm. And no I don't think gum is a good lynch. Well at least you have better reasons to townread him than most people... @Gum Meh. Though if my feelings regarding LS are infact unfounded then I do like your town list there. | ||
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On April 22 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote: My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault. Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual I did pretty clearly state that I was rereading the game and stuff... At the start of the game I liked that you were putting out what felt like a lot of content. Reading it again it wasn't nearly as much as you backtracked off stuff as fast as you put it out there (re: your damdred case where you made like 5-6 points as to why it was bad in the same post you defended your vote not being a joke...) Kinda uneasy now as well since you are just now showing up after quite a long absence for the last ~hr of the day and after there was the signs that maybe a wagon could get going on you. | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:00 Koshi wrote: sicklucker has been posting the last 13mins in the other game it seems. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/506344-a-normal-game-just-for-jat-3?page=91 That would be really a dick move to his scum partners. Isn't also a dick move to his fellow town players? | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:03 sicklucker wrote: oh votings today I thought it was tormorow? why am I being lynched I gotta ask I think at this point the onus is on you to tell us why we shouldn't lynch you. As in, you really haven't done much at all this game. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + That is pretty bad huh? + Show Spoiler + Honestly I'm just not sure who I'd preffer to lynch... + Show Spoiler + SL's sudden return could him just trying to shake off the lynch if he's scum here though... but for some reason I'm inclined to believe him | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up. Ff is the better choice methinks. How come you are not pushing me? | ||
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