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C est difficile de parler français :D
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On April 15 2016 08:08 gumshoe wrote:Onegu sure likes his vt claims, but judging from these scum games they dont flow as easily when hes red. Show nested quote +I'm so tired of rolling town this is like 5 games in a row. I'm VT, I'm now confirmed town.
Koshi hasn't posted = confirmed scum
##Vote: Koshi sad/elaborate. neutral/coy a bit morose. plain and almost an after thought. ======================================================= these are all the scum games where Onegu claims vt that I could find. While he can certainly use his touch stone in a melancholy fashion as town(like that one time when hf, the love of his life broke his heart), he seems to consistently dredge it up half heartededly when hes scum. the above posts compared to this one.... show a pretty big contrast. Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / :
This is a lot of explanation for something 100% NAI. I don't think it is hard for scum!Onegu to mimic his town gimmick.
Why did you end your post with "/ :" ?
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On April 15 2016 11:18 gumshoe wrote:
you also get lots of points for being one of the four people currently willing to play the game.
Can you explain your reasonning ? Cause it's only a few hours after the start of the game + night time for euro, so ofc if he's there he's one of the few people playing the game, as either alignment. Plus the only serious post GB made at that point was:
On April 15 2016 10:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'd translate it to "villa", but pueblo is fine
Gumshoe, am I mafia?
All the other is trolling, which he did as town last game but is easily replicable. I don't understand how you can have a read on him at that point.
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GB and rsoul are unlikely partners. Maybe.
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rsoul tentatively townreading him using her soulread without much hesitation is different from what I remember from that game where they were scum together not long ago, where she claimed to have a god read on GB, but was much more careful using it. And actually she bused him at some point.
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OWS might be town for being free with his words and his reads
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Null read on everyone else. So on everyone but gumshoe and OWS.
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Onegu being happy might indicate scum because of meta.
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I missed this one actually:
On April 15 2016 08:08 gumshoe wrote:
Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / :
On April 15 2016 11:17 gumshoe wrote:
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Tentatively in the green / :
What is the deal with the smileys ? They don't make sense. Why are you not happy while finding townreads ?
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Excuses.
Excuses everywhere
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On April 15 2016 22:01 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 19:09 Rels wrote:I missed this one actually: On April 15 2016 08:08 gumshoe wrote:
Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / :
On April 15 2016 11:17 gumshoe wrote:
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Tentatively in the green / :
What is the deal with the smileys ? They don't make sense. Why are you not happy while finding townreads ? They are not smileys,theyre shrugs meant to make it clear that Ultimatly I have no clue what onegu or gb or anyone for that matter day 1 are currently, as no real evidence has cropped up and I can see every reaction so far coming from town or scum, but am tentatively ruling them as town based off feel and lack of apparent malevolent intent. But Ultimatly, unless someone actually fucks up, I am liable to be wrong. TLDR the Shrug = the akndoledgment that the universe is a vast unknowable place, as well one cannot ever truly know someone face to face let alone over a forum where everyone prides themselves on lying, and lastly that day 1 mafia is hard.
Alright. Can you explain your GB slight townread ?
On April 15 2016 18:58 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 11:18 gumshoe wrote:
you also get lots of points for being one of the four people currently willing to play the game. Can you explain your reasonning ? Cause it's only a few hours after the start of the game + night time for euro, so ofc if he's there he's one of the few people playing the game, as either alignment. Plus the only serious post GB made at that point was: Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 10:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'd translate it to "villa", but pueblo is fine
Gumshoe, am I mafia? All the other is trolling, which he did as town last game but is easily replicable. I don't understand how you can have a read on him at that point.
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On April 15 2016 22:26 JustAnotherScummer wrote:I am suspicious of Palmar right now after a quick glace of his filter. Perhaps it is due to him not posting anything other than these two posts. But it also has to do with the posts themselves. Roughly thirteen hours ago, at the time of this post. Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 17:42 Palmar wrote:
I am happy with my vote. Rsoultin has 81% chance of flipping mafia here. Roughly four hours ago, at the time of this post. Utter nothingness other than a lynch onto Rsoul. No thoughts, nothing, despite being in the thread twice. I expected more from a man who said he was going to lead a lynch on me pre-game, and the pleasure, that of which, are the town games I've had the time to watch from back then. Or the games he and I have played before.
This is completely NAI as he did exactly this as town in the last game he played in and was lynched D1 for it.
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On April 15 2016 22:34 justanothertownie wrote:
The fact that this smurf clearly went named himself after me but claims to have no idea about Palmars meta is really odd already.
Not sure this is a good point, I created a smurf named "Iwasrobik" and I know next to nothing about the guy or who he was playing with.
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On April 15 2016 22:51 rsoultin wrote:
I also don't think your meta read on Onegu is very reliable. My method for reading him has more to do with how he plays than his attitude. Just being "happy" is over-simplistic.
It's an small indicator. Onegu likes being scum and does not like being town. Him being all excited is a little bit weird if he's town.
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On April 15 2016 22:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 18:52 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 08:08 gumshoe wrote:Onegu sure likes his vt claims, but judging from these scum games they dont flow as easily when hes red. I'm so tired of rolling town this is like 5 games in a row. I'm VT, I'm now confirmed town.
Koshi hasn't posted = confirmed scum
##Vote: Koshi sad/elaborate. I may or may not be blue... I may or may not be VT neutral/coy Just got home. Now it's naptime.
I am VT...
a bit morose. VT Claim plain and almost an after thought. ======================================================= these are all the scum games where Onegu claims vt that I could find. While he can certainly use his touch stone in a melancholy fashion as town(like that one time when hf, the love of his life broke his heart), he seems to consistently dredge it up half heartededly when hes scum. the above posts compared to this one.... VT claim
First post make it confirmed ##Vote: Rsoultin
Jeez I love when games are this easy. show a pretty big contrast. Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / : This is a lot of explanation for something 100% NAI. I don't think it is hard for scum!Onegu to mimic his town gimmick. Why did you end your post with "/ :" ? Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 18:58 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 11:18 gumshoe wrote:
you also get lots of points for being one of the four people currently willing to play the game. Can you explain your reasonning ? Cause it's only a few hours after the start of the game + night time for euro, so ofc if he's there he's one of the few people playing the game, as either alignment. Plus the only serious post GB made at that point was: On April 15 2016 10:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'd translate it to "villa", but pueblo is fine
Gumshoe, am I mafia? All the other is trolling, which he did as town last game but is easily replicable. I don't understand how you can have a read on him at that point. I can see why GB would think this. But you just played a game were gumshoe made mountains out of molehills early to get the game started as town.
So ? He's going to replicate the town game he just played as scum. He could be scum going for the walls and writing a lot of BS. I want to know what check his thought process on GB.
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On April 15 2016 23:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 23:01 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 22:58 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 18:52 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 08:08 gumshoe wrote:Onegu sure likes his vt claims, but judging from these scum games they dont flow as easily when hes red. I'm so tired of rolling town this is like 5 games in a row. I'm VT, I'm now confirmed town.
Koshi hasn't posted = confirmed scum
##Vote: Koshi sad/elaborate. I may or may not be blue... I may or may not be VT neutral/coy Just got home. Now it's naptime.
I am VT...
a bit morose. VT Claim plain and almost an after thought. ======================================================= these are all the scum games where Onegu claims vt that I could find. While he can certainly use his touch stone in a melancholy fashion as town(like that one time when hf, the love of his life broke his heart), he seems to consistently dredge it up half heartededly when hes scum. the above posts compared to this one.... VT claim
First post make it confirmed ##Vote: Rsoultin
Jeez I love when games are this easy. show a pretty big contrast. Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / : This is a lot of explanation for something 100% NAI. I don't think it is hard for scum!Onegu to mimic his town gimmick. Why did you end your post with "/ :" ? On April 15 2016 18:58 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 11:18 gumshoe wrote:
you also get lots of points for being one of the four people currently willing to play the game. Can you explain your reasonning ? Cause it's only a few hours after the start of the game + night time for euro, so ofc if he's there he's one of the few people playing the game, as either alignment. Plus the only serious post GB made at that point was: On April 15 2016 10:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'd translate it to "villa", but pueblo is fine
Gumshoe, am I mafia? All the other is trolling, which he did as town last game but is easily replicable. I don't understand how you can have a read on him at that point. I can see why GB would think this. But you just played a game were gumshoe made mountains out of molehills early to get the game started as town. So ? He's going to replicate the town game he just played as scum. He could be scum going for the walls and writing a lot of BS. I want to know what check his thought process on GB. Well, you can't go "this is really strange, how can gumshoe ever do this?!" and then say "I know he does this as town but this means he will do it as mafia also so it is scummy!". It doesn't make sense.
Except I'm not questionning it on the fact that he writes big posts, I want to know why did he find GB's posts townie.
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On April 15 2016 23:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 23:06 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 23:04 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 23:01 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 22:58 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 18:52 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 08:08 gumshoe wrote:Onegu sure likes his vt claims, but judging from these scum games they dont flow as easily when hes red. I'm so tired of rolling town this is like 5 games in a row. I'm VT, I'm now confirmed town.
Koshi hasn't posted = confirmed scum
##Vote: Koshi sad/elaborate. I may or may not be blue... I may or may not be VT neutral/coy Just got home. Now it's naptime.
I am VT...
a bit morose. VT Claim plain and almost an after thought. ======================================================= these are all the scum games where Onegu claims vt that I could find. While he can certainly use his touch stone in a melancholy fashion as town(like that one time when hf, the love of his life broke his heart), he seems to consistently dredge it up half heartededly when hes scum. the above posts compared to this one.... VT claim
First post make it confirmed ##Vote: Rsoultin
Jeez I love when games are this easy. show a pretty big contrast. Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / : This is a lot of explanation for something 100% NAI. I don't think it is hard for scum!Onegu to mimic his town gimmick. Why did you end your post with "/ :" ? On April 15 2016 18:58 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 11:18 gumshoe wrote:
you also get lots of points for being one of the four people currently willing to play the game. Can you explain your reasonning ? Cause it's only a few hours after the start of the game + night time for euro, so ofc if he's there he's one of the few people playing the game, as either alignment. Plus the only serious post GB made at that point was: On April 15 2016 10:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'd translate it to "villa", but pueblo is fine
Gumshoe, am I mafia? All the other is trolling, which he did as town last game but is easily replicable. I don't understand how you can have a read on him at that point. I can see why GB would think this. But you just played a game were gumshoe made mountains out of molehills early to get the game started as town. So ? He's going to replicate the town game he just played as scum. He could be scum going for the walls and writing a lot of BS. I want to know what check his thought process on GB. Well, you can't go "this is really strange, how can gumshoe ever do this?!" and then say "I know he does this as town but this means he will do it as mafia also so it is scummy!". It doesn't make sense. Except I'm not questionning it on the fact that he writes big posts, I want to know why did he find GB's posts townie. You are questioning him on the basis that he makes ridiculous assumptions based on very little. Which is exactly what he did as town in a game we can't really talk about.
Why does gumshoe currently townread GB ?
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gumshoe you shut the fuck up plz
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On April 15 2016 23:14 rsoultin wrote:+ Show Spoiler +No puedo decidir si me gusta matar SL o no...ayúdame ;o; El espacio entre su primera entrada y las otras era tan larga pero no sé como interpretar su lista de deseos sobre los jugadores :/ I can't decide whether or not I want to lynch SL...help me ;o; The time between his first post and the rest was pretty long but I don't know how to interpret that list of who he does and doesn't want to play with :/
SL is easy to read after a few days. Not a good D1 lynch.
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On April 15 2016 23:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 23:12 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 23:09 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 23:06 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 23:04 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 23:01 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 22:58 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 18:52 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 08:08 gumshoe wrote:Onegu sure likes his vt claims, but judging from these scum games they dont flow as easily when hes red. I'm so tired of rolling town this is like 5 games in a row. I'm VT, I'm now confirmed town.
Koshi hasn't posted = confirmed scum
##Vote: Koshi sad/elaborate. I may or may not be blue... I may or may not be VT neutral/coy Just got home. Now it's naptime.
I am VT...
a bit morose. VT Claim plain and almost an after thought. ======================================================= these are all the scum games where Onegu claims vt that I could find. While he can certainly use his touch stone in a melancholy fashion as town(like that one time when hf, the love of his life broke his heart), he seems to consistently dredge it up half heartededly when hes scum. the above posts compared to this one.... VT claim
First post make it confirmed ##Vote: Rsoultin
Jeez I love when games are this easy. show a pretty big contrast. Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / : This is a lot of explanation for something 100% NAI. I don't think it is hard for scum!Onegu to mimic his town gimmick. Why did you end your post with "/ :" ? On April 15 2016 18:58 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 11:18 gumshoe wrote:
you also get lots of points for being one of the four people currently willing to play the game. Can you explain your reasonning ? Cause it's only a few hours after the start of the game + night time for euro, so ofc if he's there he's one of the few people playing the game, as either alignment. Plus the only serious post GB made at that point was: On April 15 2016 10:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'd translate it to "villa", but pueblo is fine
Gumshoe, am I mafia? All the other is trolling, which he did as town last game but is easily replicable. I don't understand how you can have a read on him at that point. I can see why GB would think this. But you just played a game were gumshoe made mountains out of molehills early to get the game started as town. So ? He's going to replicate the town game he just played as scum. He could be scum going for the walls and writing a lot of BS. I want to know what check his thought process on GB. Well, you can't go "this is really strange, how can gumshoe ever do this?!" and then say "I know he does this as town but this means he will do it as mafia also so it is scummy!". It doesn't make sense. Except I'm not questionning it on the fact that he writes big posts, I want to know why did he find GB's posts townie. You are questioning him on the basis that he makes ridiculous assumptions based on very little. Which is exactly what he did as town in a game we can't really talk about. Why does gumshoe currently townread GB ? I don't care. I don't think you can townread GB yet. But I think it is entirely possible that gumshoe believes he can.
So why is it suspicious for someone to dig into the townread and see if it's logical or not ?
On April 15 2016 23:14 rsoultin wrote:???
Dont want gumshoe to expand on GB while I'm questionning JAT.
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I don't remember what gumshoe posted last game, he died before I even entered it, will have to check. But I want to know why he found GB's posts and activity a "tentatively green".
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On April 15 2016 23:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 23:19 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 23:16 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 23:12 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 23:09 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 23:06 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 23:04 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 23:01 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 22:58 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 18:52 Rels wrote:
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This is a lot of explanation for something 100% NAI. I don't think it is hard for scum!Onegu to mimic his town gimmick.
Why did you end your post with "/ :" ? On April 15 2016 18:58 Rels wrote:
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Can you explain your reasonning ? Cause it's only a few hours after the start of the game + night time for euro, so ofc if he's there he's one of the few people playing the game, as either alignment. Plus the only serious post GB made at that point was:
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All the other is trolling, which he did as town last game but is easily replicable. I don't understand how you can have a read on him at that point. I can see why GB would think this. But you just played a game were gumshoe made mountains out of molehills early to get the game started as town. So ? He's going to replicate the town game he just played as scum. He could be scum going for the walls and writing a lot of BS. I want to know what check his thought process on GB. Well, you can't go "this is really strange, how can gumshoe ever do this?!" and then say "I know he does this as town but this means he will do it as mafia also so it is scummy!". It doesn't make sense. Except I'm not questionning it on the fact that he writes big posts, I want to know why did he find GB's posts townie. You are questioning him on the basis that he makes ridiculous assumptions based on very little. Which is exactly what he did as town in a game we can't really talk about. Why does gumshoe currently townread GB ? I don't care. I don't think you can townread GB yet. But I think it is entirely possible that gumshoe believes he can. So why is it suspicious for someone to dig into the townread and see if it's logical or not ? On April 15 2016 23:14 rsoultin wrote:On April 15 2016 23:13 Rels wrote:
gumshoe you shut the fuck up plz ??? Dont want gumshoe to expand on GB while I'm questionning JAT. You can question him all day for all I care. But you worded it like you thought this makes gumshoe mafia. And that is my point here.
I don't know if it makes him mafia. I want to know more about it. You're right that it is suspicious to me, I feel like he gave a "maybe town" read to GB because GB asked him to, to be nice with him when there was no reason to do that.
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Something like that.
Alright gumshoe can you expand on your GB's townread ? I think your "1 of the 4 people caring about the game" thing is bullshit because:
- it was so close to the start of the game, so if he's posting ofc he's going to be one of the only posters, regardless of his alignment
- he made only 1 serious post at that point, asking about your thoughts on him
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On April 15 2016 23:35 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 23:31 Rels wrote:
Something like that.
Alright gumshoe can you expand on your GB's townread ? I think your "1 of the 4 people caring about the game" thing is bullshit because:
- it was so close to the start of the game, so if he's posting ofc he's going to be one of the only posters, regardless of his alignment
- he made only 1 serious post at that point, asking about your thoughts on him + Show Spoiler +Jat tiene razon sobre el juego anterior. Quizás es vale la pena leerlo. Jat's right about the last game. It's probably worth it to read it.
Yeah I did it and it is right. Even the smiley thing is consistent. Doesn't mean he cannot replicate it obv but it's true he's reading "a lot into a little" or whatever he said.
His activity reason to townread GB is still not logical though.
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rsoul who would you lynch if the deadline was right now ?
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On April 15 2016 23:44 justanothertownie wrote:
Rels didn't lie. How boring.
What a revelation ^^
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I fucking hope JAS smurffails posting a super eloquent post and it's revealed to be like VA
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He might be town. He had this idea of Palmar being suspicious for X, I & others tell him X is NAI, he is like "OK" but still wants to defend his idea:
On April 15 2016 22:51 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 22:45 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 22:39 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 15 2016 22:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Are you slam? Sadly no, however, perhaps we share a secret bondage of blood and DNA. Hmmm, Do i smell with nose? On April 15 2016 22:31 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 22:28 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Also, pulling shit out of his ass with the random percent.
Since when have the most splendid of players decided to just randomly do that? Perhaps I have missed a cultural change on Teamlqiuid, since I last played. So when DID you last play? Because I have been playing for a few years now and this is typical Palmar. Can you explain why you think doing that is scunmy in general? I think it was a year ago or so. I forget which game in particular (Or i might just be saying that, to avoid giving my identity out, wittiness protection program and all that), but he was active and trying to find things out. And then as scum he was lazying his way though the game. As for why I think that is scummy, it mostly has to do with the time stamps (almost 7 hours). I feel like he could of already have a comment on something, yet he does not. It appears almost that he is masking his existence by those posts, Much as I am masking my identity behind this smurf. Don't you think what he did was kinda blatant? So if he is trying to mask anything he is doing a pretty poor job at it. Minus being noticed by the other chaps before I commented on it. Sometimes, the most obvious of masks, are simply a common idea, of a which the person wearing the mask thinks of. But I am slowly turning into my cousin V, so i digress from the mask talk.
It's a townie process. He could be a strong scum and fake it but it's town indicative.
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On April 15 2016 23:53 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 23:31 Rels wrote:
Something like that.
Alright gumshoe can you expand on your GB's townread ? I think your "1 of the 4 people caring about the game" thing is bullshit because:
- it was so close to the start of the game, so if he's posting ofc he's going to be one of the only posters, regardless of his alignment
- he made only 1 serious post at that point, asking about your thoughts on him when he asked Rsol if she was town, It looked like he was doing that purely based off Onegu's vote (who he was antagonistic towards with his her der post) I figured theres was something more going on there, wether that was a dynamic between rsoul or scum trying to open up against onegu, I asked Rsoul what she thought to figure that out. She said it was something that he does most games they play, which means that even if Gb did it malevolently, there isnt much way to tell the two apart. Ergo, Gb is null at worst. Coupled with Rsoul saying this is the kind of thing Gb does as town, I trusted the opinion of someone more familiar with him, and as Rsoul's statement does not fluctuate according to her alignment (though I do townread her a bit off feel) I upticked Gb to green. Also I'd like to contest three points of yours. 1: Show nested quote + it was so close to the start of the game, so if he's posting ofc he's going to be one of the only posters, To the people present, the game did indeed feel quite dead Show nested quote +Well, normally I just talk in one :/ not translate back and forth. Quiet thread is quiet. so even if not much time had actually passed, the perception was that things were going slow. To actively engage when things are fairly dead usually feels townie to me, though as I said, it's not something I'm overly confident about. For contrast, Palmer who I currently scum read a smidge, casually jumped in to enforce shit posting (thereby acknowledging it's existence) and then left without trying to change the situation. Does that outright make Palmer scum? No, but in contrast Gb looks far better for his attempts at dialogue. 2: Every post is a serious post, attempts at breaking the ice come paired with mood, which is always readable. Or at least thats what I believe, so at the time of reading of Gb, I regarded all his posts with weight, not just the one where he questions me. 3: You claim day 1 is easy, well I frankly disagree, for me it's almost always a nightmare that usually ends with me actually hitting the ground. Also, your currently coming after me, which means it cant be that easy for you ethier / :
D1 is not easy for me, JAS said that.
OK on your GB townread, I suppose it can be logical. Will check if you can replicate your town game as scum though.
If you scumread Palmar, what do you think of several people posting in thread that Palmar can do this as town ?
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On April 15 2016 23:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Mafia instinctively defend their points to not look like they are making up bullshit.
OK that could also be the case actually.
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wow apparently gumshoe is an easy read 'cause he never succeded to pass the 4 pages filter mark as scum ^^
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On April 16 2016 00:11 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 23:44 Rels wrote:
rsoul who would you lynch if the deadline was right now ? + Show Spoiler +No tengo ningun idea lol >< Tengo unos jugadores a quienes no me gusta matar pero eso es todo.
-gum
-rels
-gb (la obsesión con algo que gum ya ha explicado es meh pero en balance...)
No clue lol >< I have a few players who I don't want to lynch but that's all. -gum -rels -gb (his obsession with something that gum's already explained is meh but on balance...)
good answer. It's not possible to name someone that is likely to flip scum right now
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I really hope Tumble & Fazers start posting soon if they are town. They are 100% the lynch atm. They had to confirm so they should be aware the game have started.
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On April 16 2016 00:24 Palmar wrote:
clearly is not*
Also jat's point about how weird he is about his relationship to me is valid.
Without knowing his identity we can't make assumption about him knowing you can AFK D1 as town.
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On April 16 2016 00:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 00:27 Rels wrote:On April 16 2016 00:24 Palmar wrote:
clearly is not*
Also jat's point about how weird he is about his relationship to me is valid. Without knowing his identity we can't make assumption about him knowing you can AFK D1 as town. Why are you constantly defending that guy? It is really unwarranted. And your point is wrong too. He called Palmar "one of the most splendid players" or some shit. He knows him.
I'm not. This particular point is bad. The end
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K. Leaving work and not posting before tomorrow.
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On April 16 2016 01:53 Tumblewood wrote:
I managed to not notice my role PM for a day
It's only 8 pages though so it's okay
Didn't you have to confirm ?
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I posted that question at the best timing ever ^^
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On April 16 2016 03:22 Fazers wrote:Day 1 usually seems where users point fingers at one another, and for what reason? I think we should wait for a Day 1 post before coming to a conclusion..it's kind of hard to tell who is mafia or not at this point. Just my two cents.. 
Weird. So you would prefer to lynch someone at random D1 and start looking for scum after that ?
You've ever played mafia before ?
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On April 16 2016 08:35 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 17:42 Palmar wrote:
I am happy with my vote. Rsoultin has 81% chance of flipping mafia here. like wut this is after 3 posts. Maybe palmar just saw 3 town votes and decided to make up reasons to scum read her later lol
Why do you think this could be the case ? You know that Palmar can troll as town so this doesn't make him mafia. Plus rsoultin has only ever got 1 vote, which is Onegu's and a joke one.
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Palmar is really annoying. Never lynching today though 'cause he's a total coinflip. He'll step up at some point if he's town.
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On April 16 2016 21:28 Superbia wrote:
Want to call gumshoe mafia but 1st post tryhard is at most NAI for him.
I don't understand your thinking there, 1st post is scummy and NAI at the same time ?
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On April 17 2016 04:00 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 03:34 Rels wrote:On April 16 2016 01:53 Tumblewood wrote:
I managed to not notice my role PM for a day
It's only 8 pages though so it's okay Didn't you have to confirm ? Yeah but I never bothered to check when it started
It doesn't make sense. If you had to confirm, you should have known the game was starting at most the next day if everyone confirmed. Seems like a bad excuse to enter the thread late.
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Superbia's spamming spree is awful. The 1-line posts with random reads and no reasonning. Very different from what I expect from town!Superbia.
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On April 16 2016 21:55 Superbia wrote:
Actually why not.
##vote: rsoultin
Let's see what this brings.
Jumping on the easy wagon too. Superbia might be scum
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On April 17 2016 03:02 Superbia wrote:
Now: Palmar:
Town palmar would've taken a grip on the game already. Tbf the game is going pretty much nowhere this close to EoD (imo). It's very undirected. Town palmar takes control and leads a direction. The push on rso is not.
In fact, Palmar's push on rso indicates a plan. And from all my games with palmar, he always has some sort of planned d1 as scum. He makes up some sort of plan or method to determine who is scum or something similar. This push on rso seems the exact same way (though I do not know what it says about rso's alignment). Pre-planned.
His read on me adds on to the lack of town direction he's taken this game. As town you are usually aligned to the people who have similar reads. That's why it is not weird for me to half-flip on rso. The fact that Palmar groups us together cements this un-townie, overfocused mindset.
I encourage everyone to check out Palmar's scum games and look at his play d1 (specifically the ones I was in as well, I believe it was russia or titanic or something). It's pre-planned and lazy.
Now look at his town games. It starts off super lazy but he always picks up very quickly. Especially when the town has no leader (i.e. as we have now). He is nowhere this game. This some prepackaged bullshit plan.
##Vote: Palmar
What do you make of the fact that Palmar was lynched D1 as town recently for playing like that ?
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gumshoe 90% of your big post on tumble is narrative that doesn't prove anything. The last bit is good though. If Tumble is scum, it is because he focused all his energy on rsoultin and almost none on anyone else, after Palmar started to push her.
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On April 17 2016 04:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 04:13 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 03:02 Superbia wrote:
Now: Palmar:
Town palmar would've taken a grip on the game already. Tbf the game is going pretty much nowhere this close to EoD (imo). It's very undirected. Town palmar takes control and leads a direction. The push on rso is not.
In fact, Palmar's push on rso indicates a plan. And from all my games with palmar, he always has some sort of planned d1 as scum. He makes up some sort of plan or method to determine who is scum or something similar. This push on rso seems the exact same way (though I do not know what it says about rso's alignment). Pre-planned.
His read on me adds on to the lack of town direction he's taken this game. As town you are usually aligned to the people who have similar reads. That's why it is not weird for me to half-flip on rso. The fact that Palmar groups us together cements this un-townie, overfocused mindset.
I encourage everyone to check out Palmar's scum games and look at his play d1 (specifically the ones I was in as well, I believe it was russia or titanic or something). It's pre-planned and lazy.
Now look at his town games. It starts off super lazy but he always picks up very quickly. Especially when the town has no leader (i.e. as we have now). He is nowhere this game. This some prepackaged bullshit plan.
##Vote: Palmar What do you make of the fact that Palmar was lynched D1 as town recently for playing like that ? if hes scum, then he probally thinks he can get away with this kind of play exactly because of his last game, as people will be less likely to kill him / : The point is, outside his meta hes playing anti town and within his meta he could easily be town or scum as this kind of play is not at all hard to enact.
Agree. So he is a coinflip.
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I'm OK to lynch:
Tumble for entering the thread late with a non believable excuse and being obsessed with rsoul, which would be the perfect lynch for mafia.
Superbia for being so his spree of posting reads with no explanation and not pushing anything. I think town!Superbia is more focused than that, like he was in his Palmar post actually, but the reasonning in his Palmar post is bad.
Maybe GB for faking activity when actually he is useless, needs to read his filter.
Maybe JAS for kinda the same thing, needs to read his filter.
These needs to be vigd:
Frizer
Onegu
I don't townread rsoul but I don't understand why she is scum.
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What changed with Superbia ?
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On April 17 2016 04:46 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 04:37 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 04:28 gumshoe wrote:On April 17 2016 04:13 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 03:02 Superbia wrote:
Now: Palmar:
Town palmar would've taken a grip on the game already. Tbf the game is going pretty much nowhere this close to EoD (imo). It's very undirected. Town palmar takes control and leads a direction. The push on rso is not.
In fact, Palmar's push on rso indicates a plan. And from all my games with palmar, he always has some sort of planned d1 as scum. He makes up some sort of plan or method to determine who is scum or something similar. This push on rso seems the exact same way (though I do not know what it says about rso's alignment). Pre-planned.
His read on me adds on to the lack of town direction he's taken this game. As town you are usually aligned to the people who have similar reads. That's why it is not weird for me to half-flip on rso. The fact that Palmar groups us together cements this un-townie, overfocused mindset.
I encourage everyone to check out Palmar's scum games and look at his play d1 (specifically the ones I was in as well, I believe it was russia or titanic or something). It's pre-planned and lazy.
Now look at his town games. It starts off super lazy but he always picks up very quickly. Especially when the town has no leader (i.e. as we have now). He is nowhere this game. This some prepackaged bullshit plan.
##Vote: Palmar What do you make of the fact that Palmar was lynched D1 as town recently for playing like that ? if hes scum, then he probally thinks he can get away with this kind of play exactly because of his last game, as people will be less likely to kill him / : The point is, outside his meta hes playing anti town and within his meta he could easily be town or scum as this kind of play is not at all hard to enact. Agree. So he is a coinflip. I suppose / : I just expect more out of him than someone like Onegu, you know?
Yeah I know.
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On April 17 2016 04:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 04:49 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2016 04:45 Rels wrote:
What changed with Superbia ? well it's not really a townread tbh more of a i'm not sure what to make of his push on palmar read. i can see him believing what he's saying about palmar, even though i've seen palmar do this before as town (toad, wave in noir, etc) so know he's not necessarily right actually what that should say is his case is wrong but his read could be right
OK. I get what you mean, it was the only post that looked townie. But he should know Palmar can do that, and even if not it was repeated several times in thread that it is NAI, so it's hard to believe he missed the info.
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Starting with this post:
On April 16 2016 02:57 Tumblewood wrote:
rsoul, why do you townread rels after just posting disagreements/question marks in response to him?
Almost every post of Tumble is focused on rsoul. It is after Palmar started his "lynch rsoul" thing, so there is the possibility that Tumble is scum jumping on that lynch. He also has a lot of reasons to scumread her.
Noted above, "rsoul townreads Rels even though she disagrees with him".
On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap.
"rsoul's reason to scumread Superbia seems fabricated".
On April 16 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
where I'm at right now:
null
most people
don't want to lynch
gumshoe because innocent town
rels because actually trying
ows because actually trying
palmar because in Devil I lynched him day 1 and I never got to play with him
could lynch today
rsoul because all her answers are kind of meh
superbia because AFK; prefer vig shot
"rsoul's answers are kinda meh".
Then he got questionned by rsoul and his reason to scumread her is actually:
On April 16 2016 14:21 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 14:17 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
where I'm at right now:
null
most people
don't want to lynch
gumshoe because innocent town
rels because actually trying
ows because actually trying
palmar because in Devil I lynched him day 1 and I never got to play with him
could lynch today
rsoul because all her answers are kind of meh
superbia because AFK; prefer vig shot i really can't help but be amused that our reads line up so closely (with the exception of ows obv but i was liking his recent activity anyway), and we even both want to lynch the same person, but somehow my answers are meh i don't think it makes you scum even though maybe it should concern me that you're fine lynching both the talked about people, cause i've liked your previous posting, but still lol >< i mean, when are we gonna stop holding rsoul to higher standards than we hold ourselves? pls, I hold everyone + Show Spoiler + to a higher standard than I hold myself My scum meter for you is, when I ask you a question, if your answer is kinda disappointing but not really scummy, you're probably scum The problem with this is I haven't played with town rsoul\ Why do you like my previous posting, though, enough to outweigh that thing you didn't like?
"rsoul's answers are not exciting".
On April 16 2016 14:43 Tumblewood wrote:
I read through a random rsoul town game. Well, 3/23 of it. She was a lot more emotional, but has probably moved away from that meta. I'll update when I read one that wasn't from nine months ago.
"town!rsoul is a lot more emotional"
On April 16 2016 14:57 Tumblewood wrote:
I read gaiden, that's only like six months ago
Perhaps what I'm saying is that I expect rsoul to be more... disagreeable? That's the distinguishing factor I see between her town and scum games.
Going to sleep soon so if you have any questions ask now.
"town!rsoul is more unlovely"
On April 17 2016 02:38 Tumblewood wrote:
Many disappointed ohs were uttered during the course of catching up.
Idk how you can read Palmar's case, think "this is a bad case," and then townread Palmar for it on the assumption that, if he's scum, it would be a suicide attack or a failure.
"rsoul's read on Palmar is not logical"
Tumble can you summarize your rsoul read ?
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On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your " OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though.
So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum.
Unless the post in bold actually exist.
Tumble I'm waiting for the source too.
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On April 17 2016 05:19 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 04:00 Rels wrote:On April 16 2016 21:28 Superbia wrote:
Want to call gumshoe mafia but 1st post tryhard is at most NAI for him. I don't understand your thinking there, 1st post is scummy and NAI at the same time ? this post is fine, as me and superbia just played a game where he attacked me for a try hard post first thing. I was town of course. So this game starts and superbia sees my post, his first instinct is it's scummy, but then remembers the game we just played. Hence -scummy, but nai. So this post rels that caught your attention first, actually just shows him taking my meta in mind after you know, killing me that one time(super built the gun that slam held in his hand). Which is frankly something I applaud XD
That might have been the case, but I would have prefered for Superbia to tell me that himself. You gave him the perfect answer if he's scum.
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On April 17 2016 05:28 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your " OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though. So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too. It is actually not impossible at all. The question is how likely it is. But let's see his defense.
It's true that it is not impossible, fucking greymist did it once. But it is extremely unlikely. Townie CAN forget the reason they make a post, creating a false one is super unlikely though. Especially here, he clearly refers to a particular post that apparently doesn't exist.
But yeah maybe he refers to something else and this is not happening actually.
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On April 17 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote:
"Oh but Tumblewood you didn't say that last part earlier."
"Scum scum scum for changing his reasons on rsoul."
Yeah it looks like you looked for reasons as you posted instead on focusing on the 1 and 2 things that made her scum. Scum, especially strong scum, are not scum for 50 different reasons.
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On April 17 2016 05:32 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:25 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 05:19 gumshoe wrote:On April 17 2016 04:00 Rels wrote:On April 16 2016 21:28 Superbia wrote:
Want to call gumshoe mafia but 1st post tryhard is at most NAI for him. I don't understand your thinking there, 1st post is scummy and NAI at the same time ? this post is fine, as me and superbia just played a game where he attacked me for a try hard post first thing. I was town of course. So this game starts and superbia sees my post, his first instinct is it's scummy, but then remembers the game we just played. Hence -scummy, but nai. So this post rels that caught your attention first, actually just shows him taking my meta in mind after you know, killing me that one time(super built the gun that slam held in his hand). Which is frankly something I applaud XD That might have been the case, but I would have prefered for Superbia to tell me that himself. You gave him the perfect answer if he's scum. I'm... Not a very subtle player... Still, I feel good enough about his alignment to offset the guilt of giving him an out / : I'll stop defending him though, he said he'd be back in time so hopefully that'll be the case.
TBF this in particular was not very strong. Why do you townread him though ?
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On April 17 2016 05:37 Tumblewood wrote:
ok i am messing up in every way imaginable this game
i blame it on phoneposting and not rereading
and on trying to talk about things that happened a day ago that i don't really remember
Not believable.
##Vote Tumblewood
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On April 17 2016 05:45 Fazers wrote:I don't know what I'm doing 
Your thoughts on Superbia / Tumblewood who I saw you just voted ?
Is this your first game ?
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GB & JAS saying they are there but not doing anything is suspicious and parner indicative with Tumble.
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On April 17 2016 05:46 Fazers wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:45 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 05:45 Fazers wrote:I don't know what I'm doing Your thoughts on Superbia / Tumblewood who I saw you just voted ? Is this your first game ? No, I've played Mafia a while back maybe in 2008? Not on TL.net though, so it's been some time.
And the first question ?
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On April 17 2016 05:52 Fazers wrote:
I voted Tumblewood because majority thought he was mafia but he is voting for himself so I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I know Superbia wanted to lynch me a while back, not sure why.
I don't understand the tumblewood line. What he is doing is what I expect from scum getting caught. If you were scum and were proven to have lied, what would be your reaction to that ? Because martyring and being like "I messed up go ahead and kill me" is the usual one. Actually it happened in the last game I played (TT).
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On April 17 2016 05:53 Tumblewood wrote:
rels can you please go beyond surface level reads
onegu can you please start playing the game
actually everyone can you please start playing the game
rels why do i even need an excuse for entering the thread late
I don't have any in depth reads. Apart from on you maybe, you are the only one I can post a lot about.
You actually don't need an excuse to enter the thread late. You felt the need to post one. That matches with scum mindset of having trouble entering the thread, so entering (1) late and (2) with an excuse 'cause they know they took their time to enter. In addition, the "I didn't know the game started" excuse is not very logical 'cause when FF asked you to confirm, you should have known the game was starting.
It's scum indicative. It's not very strong. I would not lynch you based on only that.
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On April 17 2016 06:02 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:57 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 05:52 Fazers wrote:
I voted Tumblewood because majority thought he was mafia but he is voting for himself so I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I know Superbia wanted to lynch me a while back, not sure why. I don't understand the tumblewood line. What he is doing is what I expect from scum getting caught. If you were scum and were proven to have lied, what would be your reaction to that ? Because martyring and being like "I messed up go ahead and kill me" is the usual one. Actually it happened in the last game I played (TT). tru truuuuuuuuu but 4 srs rels i'm martyring here play along i expect no less than to be lynched today so please let me have my one hour of productive town time and let's be honest whatever i did in this last hour is "what you'd expect from scum" protip: once a game when i get the critical four votes on me, i get super mega spidey senses. make sure to use those to your advantage.
Sure talk about what you want. I always try to read the filter of people that are dead, so I will read what you have to say if you flip town.
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On April 17 2016 06:03 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:01 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 05:53 Tumblewood wrote:
rels can you please go beyond surface level reads
onegu can you please start playing the game
actually everyone can you please start playing the game
rels why do i even need an excuse for entering the thread late I don't have any in depth reads. Apart from on you maybe, you are the only one I can post a lot about. You actually don't need an excuse to enter the thread late. You felt the need to post one. That matches with scum mindset of having trouble entering the thread, so entering (1) late and (2) with an excuse 'cause they know they took their time to enter. In addition, the "I didn't know the game started" excuse is not very logical 'cause when FF asked you to confirm, you should have known the game was starting. It's scum indicative. It's not very strong. I would not lynch you based on only that. i should have that's true i am not an in depth read of yours because it solely consists of "tw is bsing lynch him" which is kinda true but still shallow
It's a good D1 case.
- your entrance is a littl escum indicative as explained above
- you focused mostly on rsoul, who coincidentally is someone scum would love to lynch if she's town, and you looked for a lot of different things that she could be scum for, when usually to find scum you need to pressure into a few specifics scumtells
- you fabricated a reason to explain something you said, and that reason is proven false. This is something that is way more likely to come from scum (who by definition fabricates their reasons) and town (who should remember their reasons, or at least not invent a new one if they forgot it)
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On April 17 2016 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:04 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 06:02 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 05:57 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 05:52 Fazers wrote:
I voted Tumblewood because majority thought he was mafia but he is voting for himself so I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I know Superbia wanted to lynch me a while back, not sure why. I don't understand the tumblewood line. What he is doing is what I expect from scum getting caught. If you were scum and were proven to have lied, what would be your reaction to that ? Because martyring and being like "I messed up go ahead and kill me" is the usual one. Actually it happened in the last game I played (TT). tru truuuuuuuuu but 4 srs rels i'm martyring here play along i expect no less than to be lynched today so please let me have my one hour of productive town time and let's be honest whatever i did in this last hour is "what you'd expect from scum" protip: once a game when i get the critical four votes on me, i get super mega spidey senses. make sure to use those to your advantage. Sure talk about what you want. I always try to read the filter of people that are dead, so I will read what you have to say if you flip town. You should read it right now. We have at least 3 people in super, SL and GB who are scummy and do not give the slightest fuck about this lynch. If you really want to go on and kill tumble for his fuckup then at least hear him out now.
Ofc I'm there and I will switch if I think someone else is more likely to flip scum.
SL is a bad lynch D1. I don't think anyone can tell if he's scum or town when he doesn't care D1. If he's town he will have that ooze of townieness at some point over some revelation.
GB might very well be scum. He's clearly not caring for the lytnch when he said he was there a few hours ago. Like JAS.
Superbia is also likely to be scum, I don't believe in that "too scummy to be scum" thing rsoul and gumshoe has bought up. He made only 1 post that was more than 1 line, and that post was bad.
I don't think I'm changing my mind though.
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On April 17 2016 06:18 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Yeah, Something came up, and thou will not have time most likely from now to lynch. The people I feel towny vibes from are: Rels Gum A bit form Rsoul Fine lynching: Super, Tumble to a degree maybeeee Palmar Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:51 Tumblewood wrote:ows: not even now? impressive jas who are you really and what reactions are you going for + Show Spoiler +don't lie you know you're going for reactions I am not going for reactions. And I will reveal who I am after a quick glance at your filter.
Excitment!
Why do you still scumread Palmar when so many people has told it is NAI ?
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On April 17 2016 06:26 Palmar wrote:
I don't really think tumblewood will flip scum but I neither know what the case against him is not do I have a particularly strong defense for him. I just don't think the few posts I've read sound like a mafia
On April 17 2016 06:08 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:03 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 06:01 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 05:53 Tumblewood wrote:
rels can you please go beyond surface level reads
onegu can you please start playing the game
actually everyone can you please start playing the game
rels why do i even need an excuse for entering the thread late I don't have any in depth reads. Apart from on you maybe, you are the only one I can post a lot about. You actually don't need an excuse to enter the thread late. You felt the need to post one. That matches with scum mindset of having trouble entering the thread, so entering (1) late and (2) with an excuse 'cause they know they took their time to enter. In addition, the "I didn't know the game started" excuse is not very logical 'cause when FF asked you to confirm, you should have known the game was starting. It's scum indicative. It's not very strong. I would not lynch you based on only that. i should have that's true i am not an in depth read of yours because it solely consists of "tw is bsing lynch him" which is kinda true but still shallow It's a good D1 case. - your entrance is a littl escum indicative as explained above - you focused mostly on rsoul, who coincidentally is someone scum would love to lynch if she's town, and you looked for a lot of different things that she could be scum for, when usually to find scum you need to pressure into a few specifics scumtells - you fabricated a reason to explain something you said, and that reason is proven false. This is something that is way more likely to come from scum (who by definition fabricates their reasons) and town (who should remember their reasons, or at least not invent a new one if they forgot it)
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On April 17 2016 06:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:18 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Yeah, Something came up, and thou will not have time most likely from now to lynch. The people I feel towny vibes from are: Rels Gum A bit form Rsoul Fine lynching: Super, Tumble to a degree maybeeee Palmar On April 17 2016 05:51 Tumblewood wrote:ows: not even now? impressive jas who are you really and what reactions are you going for + Show Spoiler +don't lie you know you're going for reactions I am not going for reactions. And I will reveal who I am after a quick glance at your filter. Excitment! Why do you still scumread Palmar when so many people has told it is NAI ?
Still waiting for the surprise after the quick glance
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On April 17 2016 06:50 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway
if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now Alright, I am spilling the beans here. I am shapelog, And i know that you always vote for the survival wagon as town.
Nice ^^
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On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I'm a PR you dipshits.
Which one
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On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW..
Scum
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On April 17 2016 07:08 Superbia wrote:
I'm claiming VT going into the night. What could that possibly mean???
Meh. Stupid play. Shut up whatever your alignment. It will get proven one way or the other anyway
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GB's filter is so empty it's irritating -_-
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Well see you all tomorrow
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On April 17 2016 21:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 21:17 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 12:57 rsoultin wrote:reminder to self: verify the sl post palmar's EoD actually looks pretty decent to me after a review of his filter On April 17 2016 07:14 Fazers wrote:On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. Vig shoot this guy. SECONDED. ^ this from the guy who doesn't know what to do yada yada is just meh. looks overdone to me tbh. fazers, we don't get hints. some sites might. we don't. if i'm around long enough + Show Spoiler +and i urge those of you still in the game to do so if i'm not i will push for your lynch before mylo/lylo if you continue to refuse to participate it's not about being right. i've said this several times to you. it's about giving us something to read you by. i'd like your best guesses at alignments and why before the night is over bueno...that's it for tonight i think. reads post later after some more digging Yeah, the Fazer guy needs to put out content asap. He has his flip, now it is time to do work. Maybe he should die in the night otherwise. Onegu is also still a good shot though. Depending on some things shape may be scum and and I give super a chance of at least 50 % to be mafia aswell. I pretty much agree with all of this.
Me too. Onegu or Fazerz needs to die. Superbia's alignment will be proven one way or another before the end of the game.
Don't have any time today so hopefully I'm still alive tomorrow
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Voted Superbia. It's very unlikely that he's blue being AFK since the flip, since he knows he needs to fight hard to not be lynched today. This probably comes from scum not caring enough to defend himself.
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I had lots of work today so I will only be available when I get home in a few hours, I just skimmed to thread to see what happened.
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Superbia if you're town you're super bad. This claim of being "probably" doc + not claiming your save is so unbelievable.
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lol gumshoe it means someone asked the hosts these questions and the hosts clarified it for everyone, that's it
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Tumble is still scum. He's doing the "too scummy to be scum" thing. The case on him is still true.
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On April 19 2016 03:59 gumshoe wrote:alright tumble, lets phrase it a different way On April 16 2016, at14:51 PDT you felt confident enough to name jat town, knowing full well the consequences that would arise if you doubled back on that claim without good reason (ie the consequences your facing right now), what was the source of that confidence? Whats changed? please dont say spidey senses T_T
Please answer this.
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JAT I find your behaviour around Superbia weird. You're constantly giving him outs and not committing to calling him scum even though it's pretty likely he is given the way he claimed.
On April 19 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. As long as superbia doesn't put in a good effort to make me think he could be town I see no reason to out a potential doctor. A save would gain us a mislynch.
On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote:
we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort. Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment. And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
On April 19 2016 03:13 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 03:09 rsoultin wrote:On April 19 2016 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 03:03 rsoultin wrote:On April 19 2016 02:48 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 02:44 rsoultin wrote:On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote:
we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort. Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment. And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming. you do realize that your entire post to ows just now was saying exactly what i said in the post you just called bogus right? -_- play and spew yourself town or i'm lynching you that's bogus rsoul, super needs to play and spew himself town or i'm lynching him -facedesks- No, you said lynching him would be better anyways if he is town because "we can never trust him" which is certified bogus. nope "the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do" i'm gonna stop arguing here cause it's nonsensical, but seriously dude. it's obvious we're saying the same thing stop being silly lol >< No, it is not. You clearly said it wouldn't be bad to lynch him since he will be rbed anyways. Which is stupid. But we can stop this argument for all I care. if the only reason you have to think he's town is his claim and he's not spewing himself town in other ways, of course it is. he'll always be a question mark. now you just don't want to admit you misread my post -_- pft typical jat but yeah yeah i'll be good and stop arguing since it doesn't matter lolol <3 you remind me of lexy sometimes but yeah i still like a tw lynch. it would take a lot to convince me he's town this game. i really don't even think it's possible at this point I didn't misread anything. Mislynching him is always a mistake. It's a mistake I am willing to do though because he is a good player.
On April 19 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 04:31 Superbia wrote:
Like I agree my d1 was very afkish, and this day isn't any better. But I'm the fucking doctor?? You will surely understand that we don't really want to take your word for that the way the day1 lynch went. You claimed last minute to save yourself which is the correct thing to do as either alignment. You claimed the not confirmable role. Your day1 sucked. You tried to go after Palmar on a weekend when you should know better - it was the most mafia agendaish and opportunistic thing I have seen a player do in ages. Town Palmar also wanted you dead very badly and randomly died in the night. If you are the town doc it is your own goddamn fault that you were up for lynch and had to claim. Now it is your goddamn job to convince us that you aren't just a lazy scummer who tries to get the most out of a logical fakeclaim. That's not asking too much.
Why do you feel the need for these posts ? Especially, the fact that you explain your thinking about Superbia again and again. That is what is bothering me in particular
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SL I'm still waiting for the town ooze I expect from town!you.
On April 18 2016 08:24 sicklucker wrote:
ya shape could def be mafia. his egos soaring here
Expand on this read ? I don't undersatnd the bolded.
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Onegu needs to die too. 100% useless
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My two strong townreads quoting the same post of mine within 30 seconds of each other
Beautiful ^^
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Although SL is kinda right, Shape could be scum not caring after carrying that last game. He's super transparent this game
On April 19 2016 00:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 00:32 Superbia wrote:On April 19 2016 00:31 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Hmmm, Out of curiously,
Who did you heal? None of your business. Hmm, I want to check something, since it is not in FAQ
On April 19 2016 00:42 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 00:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
As much as I'd love to lynch super despite everything, we can't lynch him unless someone counterclaims. While i am waiting, Idk, Doc is like the only useful role in this game right now. Vig still hasn't claimed, yet he/she is still just a Named VT. Doc on the other hand can potentially rekt scum here, and it would make sense (IMO) for scum to try to make a play to call out a CC from real doc. Idk the mechs. of FF's docs.
Why did you feel the need to insist on the fact thjat you were gathering info on the doc role ?
Now that you have this info, what was the thought behind it ?
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Well good night you all, see you tomorrow!
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On April 19 2016 07:26 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 05:58 Rels wrote:Although SL is kinda right, Shape could be scum not caring after carrying that last game. He's super transparent this game On April 19 2016 00:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 00:32 Superbia wrote:On April 19 2016 00:31 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Hmmm, Out of curiously,
Who did you heal? None of your business. Hmm, I want to check something, since it is not in FAQ On April 19 2016 00:42 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 00:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
As much as I'd love to lynch super despite everything, we can't lynch him unless someone counterclaims. While i am waiting, Idk, Doc is like the only useful role in this game right now. Vig still hasn't claimed, yet he/she is still just a Named VT. Doc on the other hand can potentially rekt scum here, and it would make sense (IMO) for scum to try to make a play to call out a CC from real doc. Idk the mechs. of FF's docs. Why did you feel the need to insist on the fact thjat you were gathering info on the doc role ? Now that you have this info, what was the thought behind it ? because, if the doc (provided it is not super here, which i doubt) couldn't self heal, and he claims, boom. dead Doc. Or likewise if they couldn't reheal the target. Gives mafia a heal free shot (though, like I said, they prob would just kill the doc out right.) Wait... Hold on... Oh yeah, they could of just Rb the guy, stopping the heal lol. Well, anyways, that was my idea behind the mech, question I asked.
Weird. You asked for info about the doc after that post:
On April 19 2016 00:32 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 00:31 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Hmmm, Out of curiously,
Who did you heal? None of your business.
You sure you didn't ask the info to check if Superbia had a reason to not disclose his target ?
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On April 19 2016 09:59 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 09:54 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 05:40 Rels wrote:JAT I find your behaviour around Superbia weird. You're constantly giving him outs and not committing to calling him scum even though it's pretty likely he is given the way he claimed. On April 19 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. As long as superbia doesn't put in a good effort to make me think he could be town I see no reason to out a potential doctor. A save would gain us a mislynch. On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote:
we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort. Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment. And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming. On April 19 2016 03:13 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 03:09 rsoultin wrote:On April 19 2016 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 03:03 rsoultin wrote:On April 19 2016 02:48 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 02:44 rsoultin wrote:On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:
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Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him.
BUT
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This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else.
But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming. you do realize that your entire post to ows just now was saying exactly what i said in the post you just called bogus right? -_- play and spew yourself town or i'm lynching you that's bogus rsoul, super needs to play and spew himself town or i'm lynching him -facedesks- No, you said lynching him would be better anyways if he is town because "we can never trust him" which is certified bogus. nope "the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do" i'm gonna stop arguing here cause it's nonsensical, but seriously dude. it's obvious we're saying the same thing stop being silly lol >< No, it is not. You clearly said it wouldn't be bad to lynch him since he will be rbed anyways. Which is stupid. But we can stop this argument for all I care. if the only reason you have to think he's town is his claim and he's not spewing himself town in other ways, of course it is. he'll always be a question mark. now you just don't want to admit you misread my post -_- pft typical jat but yeah yeah i'll be good and stop arguing since it doesn't matter lolol <3 you remind me of lexy sometimes but yeah i still like a tw lynch. it would take a lot to convince me he's town this game. i really don't even think it's possible at this point I didn't misread anything. Mislynching him is always a mistake. It's a mistake I am willing to do though because he is a good player. On April 19 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 04:31 Superbia wrote:
Like I agree my d1 was very afkish, and this day isn't any better. But I'm the fucking doctor?? You will surely understand that we don't really want to take your word for that the way the day1 lynch went. You claimed last minute to save yourself which is the correct thing to do as either alignment. You claimed the not confirmable role. Your day1 sucked. You tried to go after Palmar on a weekend when you should know better - it was the most mafia agendaish and opportunistic thing I have seen a player do in ages. Town Palmar also wanted you dead very badly and randomly died in the night. If you are the town doc it is your own goddamn fault that you were up for lynch and had to claim. Now it is your goddamn job to convince us that you aren't just a lazy scummer who tries to get the most out of a logical fakeclaim. That's not asking too much. Why do you feel the need for these posts ? Especially, the fact that you explain your thinking about Superbia again and again. That is what is bothering me in particular I have absolutely no idea what could be possibly bothering you about those posts?! It's clearly the best way to proceed and some clowns needed explanation to understand it. Of course I am giving Superbia an out. If you don't you are retarded. Like, it is not hard. Yes, I think he is mafia and I made that clear quite often already but I have been wrong before and he IS an uncced medic right now so if you do not acknowledge the possibility that he is town or refuse to give him opportunity to show it if that is the case then you have no idea how to play this game.
Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment.
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wow gumshoe your argument about OWS and SL beign scum together 'cause they posted together is so far fetched
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On April 19 2016 13:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 13:16 Tumblewood wrote:On April 19 2016 13:12 rsoultin wrote:
:/ so yeah i just looked at the op with all the filters and went meeeeeeh don't wanna
gum/jat/rels still top towns like yeah ^^ i think...i may...want to do the insane...and actually put sl here, too. and what's worse is i'm not even sure why lol it just feeeeeels like he's toooooown cause of engagement and i know jat will jump all over me for this but the only thing i have to say is
feeeeeeels <- i can't explain these bad boys. and given it's sl there's not a whole lot else i can use anyway especially pre-mafia flips
shape bugs me cause of lots of little things really and i'm not sure how valid they are cause i don't think i've ever played with him when i wasn't mafia before and i'm a baddy and don't pay close enough attention when i don't have to figure people out
but this concentrating on irrelevant things today just doesn't make me feel good about him
not as sure on tw cause of bad reasons @.@ no pls rsoul go back to being scum I liked you when I could dismiss everything you said sighwhy is rels a top town for you? also why isn't ows town mmm it may mostly be he's been agreeing with me a lot i'm not gonna lie. i'm susceptible to thinking that someone seeing the game the same way i am for the most part is more likely to be the same alignment. but also he just reminds me of a nicer, calmer version of rayn who likes to focus on the logic behind things and tends to think illogical=scum and that's what his play looks like to me here
What happened to "when he's town we usually don't agree" ?
On April 16 2016 03:05 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 02:57 Tumblewood wrote:
rsoul, why do you townread rels after just posting disagreements/question marks in response to him? + Show Spoiler +porque normalmente no estamos de acuerdo...él enfoca en el lógico y yo en otras cosas porque la mayoría de los jugadores no son lógicos. esto no es decir que rels no es del pueblo. creo que es del pueblo porque está preguntando en direcciones diferentes, probablamente para establecer sus opiniones sobre lo más jugadores posible Because we usually don't agree...he focuses on logic while I focus on other things because most players aren't logical. This isn't to say that rels isn't town. I believe he is because he's probing in different directions, which is probably to develop reads on as many players as possible.
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Superbia / Tumble / Onegu / JAS
If one mafia is tryharding, it's JAT.
rsoul and SL both seems town. SL is posting the kind of posting spree I was hoping to see, that he always does as town when he's ranting about something. rsoul might be hard pocketing me with her niceness over me but she has smart reads. She's also implicated in the game, it's not super alignment indicative for her 'cause she's a good scum but it feels real.
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That's because we're posting at the same time in the thread right. We should have been more careful -_-
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On April 19 2016 19:50 Onegu wrote:
want me dead because I am onegu. It is tiresome. You would rather lose the game then have me play in it. I know when my time here is done.
It's kinda true, but even then you seem even more useless than usual. You're not dead today so stop complaining. You have a lot of time to do useful stuff.
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On April 19 2016 20:02 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 13:15 sicklucker wrote:
I think jat is far more likely scum if super is. He was very hesitant to lead the lynch day 1 which I do not believe is very jat like. But when he did it was off of super.
Why cant jat be with super? I think if supers town jats probably just town..
but like supers not town and is mathematically about 90% confirmed imo. We kill him today and move on with are game Because superbia scumslipped that JAT is town. If sub flips scum never in a million years ever lynch JAT....
What are you talking about ?
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JAS bro I have a question for you there:
On April 19 2016 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 07:26 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 05:58 Rels wrote:Although SL is kinda right, Shape could be scum not caring after carrying that last game. He's super transparent this game On April 19 2016 00:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 00:32 Superbia wrote:On April 19 2016 00:31 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Hmmm, Out of curiously,
Who did you heal? None of your business. Hmm, I want to check something, since it is not in FAQ On April 19 2016 00:42 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 00:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
As much as I'd love to lynch super despite everything, we can't lynch him unless someone counterclaims. While i am waiting, Idk, Doc is like the only useful role in this game right now. Vig still hasn't claimed, yet he/she is still just a Named VT. Doc on the other hand can potentially rekt scum here, and it would make sense (IMO) for scum to try to make a play to call out a CC from real doc. Idk the mechs. of FF's docs. Why did you feel the need to insist on the fact thjat you were gathering info on the doc role ? Now that you have this info, what was the thought behind it ? because, if the doc (provided it is not super here, which i doubt) couldn't self heal, and he claims, boom. dead Doc. Or likewise if they couldn't reheal the target. Gives mafia a heal free shot (though, like I said, they prob would just kill the doc out right.) Wait... Hold on... Oh yeah, they could of just Rb the guy, stopping the heal lol. Well, anyways, that was my idea behind the mech, question I asked. Weird. You asked for info about the doc after that post: Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 00:32 Superbia wrote:On April 19 2016 00:31 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Hmmm, Out of curiously,
Who did you heal? None of your business. You sure you didn't ask the info to check if Superbia had a reason to not disclose his target ?
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On April 19 2016 22:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 22:31 Rels wrote:JAS bro I have a question for you there: On April 19 2016 18:02 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 07:26 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 05:58 Rels wrote:Although SL is kinda right, Shape could be scum not caring after carrying that last game. He's super transparent this game On April 19 2016 00:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 00:32 Superbia wrote:On April 19 2016 00:31 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Hmmm, Out of curiously,
Who did you heal? None of your business. Hmm, I want to check something, since it is not in FAQ On April 19 2016 00:42 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 00:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
As much as I'd love to lynch super despite everything, we can't lynch him unless someone counterclaims. While i am waiting, Idk, Doc is like the only useful role in this game right now. Vig still hasn't claimed, yet he/she is still just a Named VT. Doc on the other hand can potentially rekt scum here, and it would make sense (IMO) for scum to try to make a play to call out a CC from real doc. Idk the mechs. of FF's docs. Why did you feel the need to insist on the fact thjat you were gathering info on the doc role ? Now that you have this info, what was the thought behind it ? because, if the doc (provided it is not super here, which i doubt) couldn't self heal, and he claims, boom. dead Doc. Or likewise if they couldn't reheal the target. Gives mafia a heal free shot (though, like I said, they prob would just kill the doc out right.) Wait... Hold on... Oh yeah, they could of just Rb the guy, stopping the heal lol. Well, anyways, that was my idea behind the mech, question I asked. Weird. You asked for info about the doc after that post: On April 19 2016 00:32 Superbia wrote:On April 19 2016 00:31 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Hmmm, Out of curiously,
Who did you heal? None of your business. You sure you didn't ask the info to check if Superbia had a reason to not disclose his target ? Ah, I am still catching up. Yes i also did in a way. That is why I asked if doc can heal the same person again. As If he couldn't heal the same person, they get a free shot Like I talked about in the last post.
Your last post explains that you asked these questions for very general reason, which is weird to me when it seems you were actually asking them for a very specific one, namely checking if Superbia had a reason to not disclose his target. Talking about this post:
On April 19 2016 07:26 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 05:58 Rels wrote:Although SL is kinda right, Shape could be scum not caring after carrying that last game. He's super transparent this game On April 19 2016 00:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 00:32 Superbia wrote:On April 19 2016 00:31 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Hmmm, Out of curiously,
Who did you heal? None of your business. Hmm, I want to check something, since it is not in FAQ On April 19 2016 00:42 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 00:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
As much as I'd love to lynch super despite everything, we can't lynch him unless someone counterclaims. While i am waiting, Idk, Doc is like the only useful role in this game right now. Vig still hasn't claimed, yet he/she is still just a Named VT. Doc on the other hand can potentially rekt scum here, and it would make sense (IMO) for scum to try to make a play to call out a CC from real doc. Idk the mechs. of FF's docs. Why did you feel the need to insist on the fact thjat you were gathering info on the doc role ? Now that you have this info, what was the thought behind it ? because, if the doc (provided it is not super here, which i doubt) couldn't self heal, and he claims, boom. dead Doc. Or likewise if they couldn't reheal the target. Gives mafia a heal free shot (though, like I said, they prob would just kill the doc out right.) Wait... Hold on... Oh yeah, they could of just Rb the guy, stopping the heal lol. Well, anyways, that was my idea behind the mech, question I asked.
It seems very overexplained, like you didn't know why you even asked these questions and created these reaons while typing this post.
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On April 19 2016 22:43 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 22:40 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 22:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 22:31 Rels wrote:JAS bro I have a question for you there: On April 19 2016 18:02 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 07:26 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 05:58 Rels wrote:Although SL is kinda right, Shape could be scum not caring after carrying that last game. He's super transparent this game On April 19 2016 00:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 00:32 Superbia wrote:On April 19 2016 00:31 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Hmmm, Out of curiously,
Who did you heal? None of your business. Hmm, I want to check something, since it is not in FAQ On April 19 2016 00:42 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 00:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
As much as I'd love to lynch super despite everything, we can't lynch him unless someone counterclaims. While i am waiting, Idk, Doc is like the only useful role in this game right now. Vig still hasn't claimed, yet he/she is still just a Named VT. Doc on the other hand can potentially rekt scum here, and it would make sense (IMO) for scum to try to make a play to call out a CC from real doc. Idk the mechs. of FF's docs. Why did you feel the need to insist on the fact thjat you were gathering info on the doc role ? Now that you have this info, what was the thought behind it ? because, if the doc (provided it is not super here, which i doubt) couldn't self heal, and he claims, boom. dead Doc. Or likewise if they couldn't reheal the target. Gives mafia a heal free shot (though, like I said, they prob would just kill the doc out right.) Wait... Hold on... Oh yeah, they could of just Rb the guy, stopping the heal lol. Well, anyways, that was my idea behind the mech, question I asked. Weird. You asked for info about the doc after that post: On April 19 2016 00:32 Superbia wrote:On April 19 2016 00:31 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Hmmm, Out of curiously,
Who did you heal? None of your business. You sure you didn't ask the info to check if Superbia had a reason to not disclose his target ? Ah, I am still catching up. Yes i also did in a way. That is why I asked if doc can heal the same person again. As If he couldn't heal the same person, they get a free shot Like I talked about in the last post. Your last post explains that you asked these questions for very general reason, which is weird to me when it seems you were actually asking them for a very specific one, namely checking if Superbia had a reason to not disclose his target. Talking about this post: On April 19 2016 07:26 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 05:58 Rels wrote:Although SL is kinda right, Shape could be scum not caring after carrying that last game. He's super transparent this game On April 19 2016 00:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 00:32 Superbia wrote:On April 19 2016 00:31 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Hmmm, Out of curiously,
Who did you heal? None of your business. Hmm, I want to check something, since it is not in FAQ On April 19 2016 00:42 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 19 2016 00:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
As much as I'd love to lynch super despite everything, we can't lynch him unless someone counterclaims. While i am waiting, Idk, Doc is like the only useful role in this game right now. Vig still hasn't claimed, yet he/she is still just a Named VT. Doc on the other hand can potentially rekt scum here, and it would make sense (IMO) for scum to try to make a play to call out a CC from real doc. Idk the mechs. of FF's docs. Why did you feel the need to insist on the fact thjat you were gathering info on the doc role ? Now that you have this info, what was the thought behind it ? because, if the doc (provided it is not super here, which i doubt) couldn't self heal, and he claims, boom. dead Doc. Or likewise if they couldn't reheal the target. Gives mafia a heal free shot (though, like I said, they prob would just kill the doc out right.) Wait... Hold on... Oh yeah, they could of just Rb the guy, stopping the heal lol. Well, anyways, that was my idea behind the mech, question I asked. It seems very overexplained, like you didn't know why you even asked these questions and created these reaons while typing this post. I forgot about about the one post about the target when I wrote the first one, but remember about self healing idea I had. That is pretty much it.
So you really "didn't know why you even asked these questions and created these reaons while typing this post". Well, I'll have to change "know" by "remember" if you're town.
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On April 19 2016 22:47 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. Vig shoot this guy. You're honestly the dumbest town player ever. Here he scumslips that JAT is town.
Frankly, no. At this point he has already claimed so he knows he will die before the end of the game. Anything at all he said after his claim is WIFOM, and actually he probably tried to put his team in a better position for after he's dead, like Kurumi did last game.
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On April 19 2016 22:55 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 22:50 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 22:47 Onegu wrote:On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. Vig shoot this guy. You're honestly the dumbest town player ever. Here he scumslips that JAT is town. Frankly, no. At this point he has already claimed so he knows he will die before the end of the game. Anything at all he said after his claim is WIFOM, and actually he probably tried to put his team in a better position for after he's dead, like Kurumi did last game. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. This is his post right before. Like and all he said was he was a PR before that but wouldnt say what it was then he made that post where he claims vt. So no it does matter... If sub flips scum I will never vote JAT.
Mm that might be good actually.
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On April 19 2016 22:57 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 22:55 Onegu wrote:On April 19 2016 22:50 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 22:47 Onegu wrote:On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. Vig shoot this guy. You're honestly the dumbest town player ever. Here he scumslips that JAT is town. Frankly, no. At this point he has already claimed so he knows he will die before the end of the game. Anything at all he said after his claim is WIFOM, and actually he probably tried to put his team in a better position for after he's dead, like Kurumi did last game. On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. This is his post right before. Like and all he said was he was a PR before that but wouldnt say what it was then he made that post where he claims vt. So no it does matter... If sub flips scum I will never vote JAT. Mm that might be good actually.
Actually he said "you're the dumbest town player ever". The "town" word is here for emphasis and is not very natural. Could very well by fakely spewing his partner town.
Doesn't prove anything but it doesn't spew JAT town I think.
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Actually the excitement is a town indicator in general, and it's even bigger for you who apparently have a difficulty tryharding as scum given your filter sizes.
I think OWS and SL are town, OWS more than SL; but since this theory is linking the two, OWS being town would mean your SL scumread is mostly unfounded. ^^
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On April 19 2016 23:36 Superbia wrote:
Hi I'm here to talk for a bit.
yo
I think you cannot avoid a lynch even in the offchance of you being the real doc. Write the max you can if you really are not scum though.
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On April 19 2016 23:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 18:08 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 09:59 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 09:54 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 05:40 Rels wrote:JAT I find your behaviour around Superbia weird. You're constantly giving him outs and not committing to calling him scum even though it's pretty likely he is given the way he claimed. On April 19 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. As long as superbia doesn't put in a good effort to make me think he could be town I see no reason to out a potential doctor. A save would gain us a mislynch. On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote:
we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort. Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment. And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming. On April 19 2016 03:13 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 03:09 rsoultin wrote:On April 19 2016 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 03:03 rsoultin wrote:On April 19 2016 02:48 justanothertownie wrote:
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No, you said lynching him would be better anyways if he is town because "we can never trust him" which is certified bogus.
nope "the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do" i'm gonna stop arguing here cause it's nonsensical, but seriously dude. it's obvious we're saying the same thing stop being silly lol >< No, it is not. You clearly said it wouldn't be bad to lynch him since he will be rbed anyways. Which is stupid. But we can stop this argument for all I care. if the only reason you have to think he's town is his claim and he's not spewing himself town in other ways, of course it is. he'll always be a question mark. now you just don't want to admit you misread my post -_- pft typical jat but yeah yeah i'll be good and stop arguing since it doesn't matter lolol <3 you remind me of lexy sometimes but yeah i still like a tw lynch. it would take a lot to convince me he's town this game. i really don't even think it's possible at this point I didn't misread anything. Mislynching him is always a mistake. It's a mistake I am willing to do though because he is a good player. On April 19 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 04:31 Superbia wrote:
Like I agree my d1 was very afkish, and this day isn't any better. But I'm the fucking doctor?? You will surely understand that we don't really want to take your word for that the way the day1 lynch went. You claimed last minute to save yourself which is the correct thing to do as either alignment. You claimed the not confirmable role. Your day1 sucked. You tried to go after Palmar on a weekend when you should know better - it was the most mafia agendaish and opportunistic thing I have seen a player do in ages. Town Palmar also wanted you dead very badly and randomly died in the night. If you are the town doc it is your own goddamn fault that you were up for lynch and had to claim. Now it is your goddamn job to convince us that you aren't just a lazy scummer who tries to get the most out of a logical fakeclaim. That's not asking too much. Why do you feel the need for these posts ? Especially, the fact that you explain your thinking about Superbia again and again. That is what is bothering me in particular I have absolutely no idea what could be possibly bothering you about those posts?! It's clearly the best way to proceed and some clowns needed explanation to understand it. Of course I am giving Superbia an out. If you don't you are retarded. Like, it is not hard. Yes, I think he is mafia and I made that clear quite often already but I have been wrong before and he IS an uncced medic right now so if you do not acknowledge the possibility that he is town or refuse to give him opportunity to show it if that is the case then you have no idea how to play this game. Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment. What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy? In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative. Your angle hrte
It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense.
I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted:
On April 18 2016 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 23:00 gumshoe wrote:On April 18 2016 18:40 sicklucker wrote:
riveting activity guys! I love when im the only one posting for the first 36 hours of the day but im the bad guy when shit comes up for the last 12 Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread. There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants.
Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you.
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On April 20 2016 00:23 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 00:15 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 23:56 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 18:08 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 09:59 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 09:54 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 05:40 Rels wrote:JAT I find your behaviour around Superbia weird. You're constantly giving him outs and not committing to calling him scum even though it's pretty likely he is given the way he claimed. On April 19 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. As long as superbia doesn't put in a good effort to make me think he could be town I see no reason to out a potential doctor. A save would gain us a mislynch. On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote:
we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort. Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment. And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming. On April 19 2016 03:13 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 03:09 rsoultin wrote:On April 19 2016 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:
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No, it is not. You clearly said it wouldn't be bad to lynch him since he will be rbed anyways. Which is stupid. But we can stop this argument for all I care. if the only reason you have to think he's town is his claim and he's not spewing himself town in other ways, of course it is. he'll always be a question mark. now you just don't want to admit you misread my post -_- pft typical jat but yeah yeah i'll be good and stop arguing since it doesn't matter lolol <3 you remind me of lexy sometimes but yeah i still like a tw lynch. it would take a lot to convince me he's town this game. i really don't even think it's possible at this point I didn't misread anything. Mislynching him is always a mistake. It's a mistake I am willing to do though because he is a good player. On April 19 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 04:31 Superbia wrote:
Like I agree my d1 was very afkish, and this day isn't any better. But I'm the fucking doctor?? You will surely understand that we don't really want to take your word for that the way the day1 lynch went. You claimed last minute to save yourself which is the correct thing to do as either alignment. You claimed the not confirmable role. Your day1 sucked. You tried to go after Palmar on a weekend when you should know better - it was the most mafia agendaish and opportunistic thing I have seen a player do in ages. Town Palmar also wanted you dead very badly and randomly died in the night. If you are the town doc it is your own goddamn fault that you were up for lynch and had to claim. Now it is your goddamn job to convince us that you aren't just a lazy scummer who tries to get the most out of a logical fakeclaim. That's not asking too much. Why do you feel the need for these posts ? Especially, the fact that you explain your thinking about Superbia again and again. That is what is bothering me in particular I have absolutely no idea what could be possibly bothering you about those posts?! It's clearly the best way to proceed and some clowns needed explanation to understand it. Of course I am giving Superbia an out. If you don't you are retarded. Like, it is not hard. Yes, I think he is mafia and I made that clear quite often already but I have been wrong before and he IS an uncced medic right now so if you do not acknowledge the possibility that he is town or refuse to give him opportunity to show it if that is the case then you have no idea how to play this game. Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment. What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy? In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative. Your angle hrte It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense. I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted: On April 18 2016 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:On April 18 2016 23:00 gumshoe wrote:On April 18 2016 18:40 sicklucker wrote:
riveting activity guys! I love when im the only one posting for the first 36 hours of the day but im the bad guy when shit comes up for the last 12 Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread. There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants. Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you. Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you. If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you.
No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread.
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On April 20 2016 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 00:27 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:23 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:15 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 23:56 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 18:08 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 09:59 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 09:54 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 05:40 Rels wrote:JAT I find your behaviour around Superbia weird. You're constantly giving him outs and not committing to calling him scum even though it's pretty likely he is given the way he claimed. On April 19 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:
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As long as superbia doesn't put in a good effort to make me think he could be town I see no reason to out a potential doctor. A save would gain us a mislynch. On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:
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Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him.
BUT
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This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else.
But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming. On April 19 2016 03:13 justanothertownie wrote:
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I didn't misread anything. Mislynching him is always a mistake. It's a mistake I am willing to do though because he is a good player. On April 19 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:
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You will surely understand that we don't really want to take your word for that the way the day1 lynch went.
You claimed last minute to save yourself which is the correct thing to do as either alignment. You claimed the not confirmable role. Your day1 sucked. You tried to go after Palmar on a weekend when you should know better - it was the most mafia agendaish and opportunistic thing I have seen a player do in ages. Town Palmar also wanted you dead very badly and randomly died in the night.
If you are the town doc it is your own goddamn fault that you were up for lynch and had to claim. Now it is your goddamn job to convince us that you aren't just a lazy scummer who tries to get the most out of a logical fakeclaim. That's not asking too much. Why do you feel the need for these posts ? Especially, the fact that you explain your thinking about Superbia again and again. That is what is bothering me in particular I have absolutely no idea what could be possibly bothering you about those posts?! It's clearly the best way to proceed and some clowns needed explanation to understand it. Of course I am giving Superbia an out. If you don't you are retarded. Like, it is not hard. Yes, I think he is mafia and I made that clear quite often already but I have been wrong before and he IS an uncced medic right now so if you do not acknowledge the possibility that he is town or refuse to give him opportunity to show it if that is the case then you have no idea how to play this game. Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment. What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy? In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative. Your angle hrte It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense. I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted: On April 18 2016 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:On April 18 2016 23:00 gumshoe wrote:On April 18 2016 18:40 sicklucker wrote:
riveting activity guys! I love when im the only one posting for the first 36 hours of the day but im the bad guy when shit comes up for the last 12 Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread. There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants. Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you. Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you. If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you. No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread. Nope. It's like you have 0 idea how this game works. IF super is mafia AND puts in the needed effort and I see that we can maybe save with the obtained town sentiment him THEN I maybe make a post like that. NOT when everything points towards him getting lynched anyways and I am just making myself look like a fool. I am acting exactly like a townie who does not KNOW superbia is mafia and makes sure he knows he can still salvage this if he really tries to. Which is something every townie should do because mislynching an uncced medic in an open setup is mighty retarded. There is 0 scum motivation and a lot of town motivation for what I have done.
Meh. Will have to reread this later with a clear head because the more you arguee this is proving you are town when it's clearly NAI at best and probably scum indicative actually, the more I want to lynch you.
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On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe).
This is something I need to check. Will reread stuff once it's confirmed Superbia is scum.
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On April 20 2016 00:39 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 00:36 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:27 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:23 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:15 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 23:56 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 18:08 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 09:59 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 09:54 justanothertownie wrote:
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I have absolutely no idea what could be possibly bothering you about those posts?! It's clearly the best way to proceed and some clowns needed explanation to understand it. Of course I am giving Superbia an out. If you don't you are retarded. Like, it is not hard. Yes, I think he is mafia and I made that clear quite often already but I have been wrong before and he IS an uncced medic right now so if you do not acknowledge the possibility that he is town or refuse to give him opportunity to show it if that is the case then you have no idea how to play this game. Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment. What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy? In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative. Your angle hrte It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense. I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted: On April 18 2016 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:On April 18 2016 23:00 gumshoe wrote:On April 18 2016 18:40 sicklucker wrote:
riveting activity guys! I love when im the only one posting for the first 36 hours of the day but im the bad guy when shit comes up for the last 12 Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread. There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants. Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you. Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you. If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you. No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread. Nope. It's like you have 0 idea how this game works. IF super is mafia AND puts in the needed effort and I see that we can maybe save with the obtained town sentiment him THEN I maybe make a post like that. NOT when everything points towards him getting lynched anyways and I am just making myself look like a fool. I am acting exactly like a townie who does not KNOW superbia is mafia and makes sure he knows he can still salvage this if he really tries to. Which is something every townie should do because mislynching an uncced medic in an open setup is mighty retarded. There is 0 scum motivation and a lot of town motivation for what I have done. Meh. Will have to reread this later with a clear head because the more you arguee this is proving you are town when it's clearly NAI at best and probably scum indicative actually, the more I want to lynch you. You will not lynch me bro but don't let me stop you from trying. This whole retarded argumentation makes it way more likely for YOU to be mafia. Logical player my ass. You didn't refute anything I brought up.
You are the one not responding directly to what I'm saying. Your read on Superbia is overexplained and you repeated why you are scumreading him and why doc should not claim. You also left him outs to tryhard, he can't be saved if doc cc but he can make the doc cc. Now you're saying all of this actually makes you town. Bullshit. This is not a strong scum indicator, I'm not calling you slam dunk scum, yet you're reacting and OMGUSing like you are about to get lynched.
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On April 20 2016 00:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 00:38 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe). This is something I need to check. Will reread stuff once it's confirmed Superbia is scum. You need to check a lot of things. When there is an unanimous wagon lynching mafia you never ever ever ever base your reads on how people treated said mafia on that day. This is how you lost to shapelog in storm. People doubting the guy being mafia or giving him outs in a situation like that are almost never his buddies because they know he is going down and try to get their sweet buscred. It is highly irritating that I have to explain something easy like this to you.
Bro if you're town I undersatnd you can be bias. But don't call yourself town over something that obv does not make you town.
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And huge wall of text will have to wait until I get home 'cause I'm leaving in 2 minutes ^^
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On April 20 2016 00:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 00:44 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:38 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe). This is something I need to check. Will reread stuff once it's confirmed Superbia is scum. You need to check a lot of things. When there is an unanimous wagon lynching mafia you never ever ever ever base your reads on how people treated said mafia on that day. This is how you lost to shapelog in storm. People doubting the guy being mafia or giving him outs in a situation like that are almost never his buddies because they know he is going down and try to get their sweet buscred. It is highly irritating that I have to explain something easy like this to you. Bro if you're town I undersatnd you can be bias. But don't call yourself town over something that obv does not make you town.
Not talking about the D1 interactions BTW, maybe this actually makes you town. But your Superbia read doesn't.
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On April 20 2016 00:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 00:47 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:39 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:36 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:27 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:23 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:15 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 23:56 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 18:08 Rels wrote:
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Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment. What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy? In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative. Your angle hrte It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense. I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted: On April 18 2016 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:On April 18 2016 23:00 gumshoe wrote:
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Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread.
There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants. Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you. Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you. If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you. No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread. Nope. It's like you have 0 idea how this game works. IF super is mafia AND puts in the needed effort and I see that we can maybe save with the obtained town sentiment him THEN I maybe make a post like that. NOT when everything points towards him getting lynched anyways and I am just making myself look like a fool. I am acting exactly like a townie who does not KNOW superbia is mafia and makes sure he knows he can still salvage this if he really tries to. Which is something every townie should do because mislynching an uncced medic in an open setup is mighty retarded. There is 0 scum motivation and a lot of town motivation for what I have done. Meh. Will have to reread this later with a clear head because the more you arguee this is proving you are town when it's clearly NAI at best and probably scum indicative actually, the more I want to lynch you. You will not lynch me bro but don't let me stop you from trying. This whole retarded argumentation makes it way more likely for YOU to be mafia. Logical player my ass. You didn't refute anything I brought up. You are the one not responding directly to what I'm saying. Your read on Superbia is overexplained and you repeated why you are scumreading him and why doc should not claim. You also left him outs to tryhard, he can't be saved if doc cc but he can make the doc cc. Now you're saying all of this actually makes you town. Bullshit. This is not a strong scum indicator, I'm not calling you slam dunk scum, yet you're reacting and OMGUSing like you are about to get lynched. AH, so the backpedaling begins. My read is not overexplained. I talked to people who said different things explaining why my way to proceed is better. I left him outs to tryhard because THAT IS WHAT EVERY TOWNIE SHOULD BE DOING - how can you even argue something this retarded? This is never a "scum indicator". You are basing everything around him being confirmed mafia when he just isn't - which is suspicious btw. I am OMGUSING because you are normally one of the smarter people here but what you are saying is utter bullshit over and over again. I know I am not getting lynched this game.
I am considering him 99% scum at this point.
If that was your point then this post was useless:
On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote:
we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort. Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment. And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
So much explanation to someone agrees with you with what to do.
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On April 20 2016 01:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 00:51 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:50 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:44 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:38 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe). This is something I need to check. Will reread stuff once it's confirmed Superbia is scum. You need to check a lot of things. When there is an unanimous wagon lynching mafia you never ever ever ever base your reads on how people treated said mafia on that day. This is how you lost to shapelog in storm. People doubting the guy being mafia or giving him outs in a situation like that are almost never his buddies because they know he is going down and try to get their sweet buscred. It is highly irritating that I have to explain something easy like this to you. Bro if you're town I undersatnd you can be bias. But don't call yourself town over something that obv does not make you town. Not talking about the D1 interactions BTW, maybe this actually makes you town. But your Superbia read doesn't. It is not even a goddamn read. I said all day that I think he is mafia. All day1 too.
So did I, but you're still calling me a potential scum. Can't have it both ways bro
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Anyway will revisit your treatment of Superbia post flip. Let's move on for now
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Are you any good at reading Onegu ?
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On April 20 2016 03:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 02:29 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:57 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:47 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:39 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:36 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:27 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:23 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:15 Rels wrote:
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It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense.
I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted:
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Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you. Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you. If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you. No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread. Nope. It's like you have 0 idea how this game works. IF super is mafia AND puts in the needed effort and I see that we can maybe save with the obtained town sentiment him THEN I maybe make a post like that. NOT when everything points towards him getting lynched anyways and I am just making myself look like a fool. I am acting exactly like a townie who does not KNOW superbia is mafia and makes sure he knows he can still salvage this if he really tries to. Which is something every townie should do because mislynching an uncced medic in an open setup is mighty retarded. There is 0 scum motivation and a lot of town motivation for what I have done. Meh. Will have to reread this later with a clear head because the more you arguee this is proving you are town when it's clearly NAI at best and probably scum indicative actually, the more I want to lynch you. You will not lynch me bro but don't let me stop you from trying. This whole retarded argumentation makes it way more likely for YOU to be mafia. Logical player my ass. You didn't refute anything I brought up. You are the one not responding directly to what I'm saying. Your read on Superbia is overexplained and you repeated why you are scumreading him and why doc should not claim. You also left him outs to tryhard, he can't be saved if doc cc but he can make the doc cc. Now you're saying all of this actually makes you town. Bullshit. This is not a strong scum indicator, I'm not calling you slam dunk scum, yet you're reacting and OMGUSing like you are about to get lynched. AH, so the backpedaling begins. My read is not overexplained. I talked to people who said different things explaining why my way to proceed is better. I left him outs to tryhard because THAT IS WHAT EVERY TOWNIE SHOULD BE DOING - how can you even argue something this retarded? This is never a "scum indicator". You are basing everything around him being confirmed mafia when he just isn't - which is suspicious btw. I am OMGUSING because you are normally one of the smarter people here but what you are saying is utter bullshit over and over again. I know I am not getting lynched this game. I am considering him 99% scum at this point. If that was your point then this post was useless: On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote:
we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort. Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment. And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming. So much explanation to someone agrees with you with what to do. It's like you are being intentionally obtuse. No, rsoultin did not say the same I did. She said it wouldn't matter to lynch super because he is useless anyways due to the rb. Which is completely wrong since theoretically he is still a confirmed townie without a cc which we shouldn't ever lynch without mafia taking the 1v1 by ccing. I corrected that. Was is absolutely necessary to do so since she was doing the same I did by trying to lynch him anyways? Maybe not. Is it scummy in the slightest? Absolutely fucking not.
It is a little. You just had to correct rsoul on that we shouldn't lynch Superbia in every possible case. It's small, but you're a good scum player. I won't let you carry this game if you're scum. If you're town you will have to play to your max.
On April 20 2016 03:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 02:30 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 01:00 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:51 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:50 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:44 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:38 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe). This is something I need to check. Will reread stuff once it's confirmed Superbia is scum. You need to check a lot of things. When there is an unanimous wagon lynching mafia you never ever ever ever base your reads on how people treated said mafia on that day. This is how you lost to shapelog in storm. People doubting the guy being mafia or giving him outs in a situation like that are almost never his buddies because they know he is going down and try to get their sweet buscred. It is highly irritating that I have to explain something easy like this to you. Bro if you're town I undersatnd you can be bias. But don't call yourself town over something that obv does not make you town. Not talking about the D1 interactions BTW, maybe this actually makes you town. But your Superbia read doesn't. It is not even a goddamn read. I said all day that I think he is mafia. All day1 too. So did I, but you're still calling me a potential scum. Can't have it both ways bro Where is your logic this game? Of course I can have it both ways. Calling super mafia doesn't make anyone town or mafia (especially not today). I never said I was confirmed town because I called him mafia at some point. But you made it seem like I had any other read on him which is a pretty bad misrepresentation. No, I am not good at reading Onegu because usually he doesn't provide anything that can be read.
You actually did exactly this.
On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe).
So when it concerning you, you say "JAT is never mafia with Superbia", but when it's about me it's "JAT could be mafia with him so it doesn't prove Rels is never mafia with him". It doesn't match.
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It's annoying to go on with this without Superbia's flip. As I said let's drop the first part for now. I want an answer to the second part though 'cause it has nothing to do with Superbia. It really doesn't match, you actually said two different things about how you should be read based on your interaction with a scum. First you say "never mafia / mafia", then you say "I'm not confirmed town".
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On April 20 2016 03:20 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:18 Rels wrote:
It's annoying to go on with this without Superbia's flip. As I said let's drop the first part for now. I want an answer to the second part though 'cause it has nothing to do with Superbia. It really doesn't match, you actually said two different things about how you should be read based on your interaction with a scum. First you say "never mafia / mafia", then you say "I'm not confirmed town". Oh, so we are arguing semantics now? That seems like a very productive angle to go for.
I don't care about semantics. If you think treating a scum like you did is "confirmed town", then you think that. If you think it is "it does not make me confirmed town", then you think that. But you cannot think the two things at the same time, yet you wrote both of those things. It indicates that you could be bullshitting.
The difference for you is that you treated Superbia "stronger" than I did right ?
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On April 20 2016 03:26 Superbia wrote:
About to head to movies. I'm town doc boys. =/
Lynch someone else (TW/maybe SL).
lol. At this point it's never happening. Best you can do is solve the game and post it before being lynched
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On April 20 2016 03:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:25 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 03:20 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 03:18 Rels wrote:
It's annoying to go on with this without Superbia's flip. As I said let's drop the first part for now. I want an answer to the second part though 'cause it has nothing to do with Superbia. It really doesn't match, you actually said two different things about how you should be read based on your interaction with a scum. First you say "never mafia / mafia", then you say "I'm not confirmed town". Oh, so we are arguing semantics now? That seems like a very productive angle to go for. I don't care about semantics. If you think treating a scum like you did is "confirmed town", then you think that. If you think it is "it does not make me confirmed town", then you think that. But you cannot think the two things at the same time, yet you wrote both of those things. It indicates that you could be bullshitting. The difference for you is that you treated Superbia "stronger" than I did right ? This is so idiotic. I never said I was confirmed town. I said and in an OBVIOUSLY exaggerating way that my interactions with Superbia are very unlikely to come from mafia/mafia. I find it very hard to believe that you don't understand something that simple.
OK. I'll see if they are really different from mine when I reread them tomorrow then. If they are the same you should be considering me unlikely scum too. If they are not I'll admit you were right, I saw that you cared a lot about that. p:
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On April 20 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town.
BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that.
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On April 20 2016 03:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:37 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town. BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that. There are only 2 options: 1) You are doing exactly this. 2) You are misrepresenting me and calling me mafia for things that don't make anyone mafia as town. Forgive me for having my doubts about that.
3) You are scum and you're angry I caught you over something so simple
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On April 20 2016 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:44 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 03:41 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 03:37 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town. BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that. There are only 2 options: 1) You are doing exactly this. 2) You are misrepresenting me and calling me mafia for things that don't make anyone mafia as town. Forgive me for having my doubts about that. 3) You are scum and you're angry I caught you over something so simple Even if I was mafia 2) would still apply.
Case in point ^^
Now let's shut it down unless I reread your interactions after Superbia's flip.
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Sry gumshoe but I don't think your "vig kill" theory is likely. Palmar is a strong player and he got shot, maybe it was because of your plan which would mean the scumteam are complete idiots, and maybe he was shot because he is a strong player and nothing can be assumed about the scum team.
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See, even JAT is saying his team didn't kill Palmar because of a stupid plan.
=D
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Yeah I don't follow. Let's assume Superbia is scum. Why do you assume Superbia wanted to maybe claim vig ? JAT is right in that the only claim he can make is doc.
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On April 20 2016 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:
I am starting to understand your thought process though. I disagree with your conclusion but it makes sense.
Please explain then 'cause I don't undersatnd
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OK I see it. You're saying the scum team is dumb because they shut down all the chances of Superbia being believable after the kills.
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? You're proving Superbia is scum here, when your original point was that the scumteam was dumb.
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The simplest explanation is "Palmar is good player, he got shot". Simple and more likely. The only thing that makes me think you might have a point is the Superbia's claim before end of night. It must have a purpose.
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Alright going to sleep soon, see you tomorrow (=
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Nice we got the RB ^^
Don't have time to read everything right now, will do that in a few hours
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Votes recap colored
Day 1 final votecount
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GlowingBear: (6) Justanothertownie, Obiwanshinobi, Palmar, rsoultin, Superbia, tumblewood
Superbia: (3) rsoultin, Obiwanshinobi, sicklucker, fazers, Palmar, GlowingBear
Tumblewood: (3) gumshoe, rsoultin, rels, fazers, tumblewood, Superbia, Justanotherscummer
Rsoultin: (1) Onegu
Day 2 final votecount
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Superbia: (9) Gumshoe, Onegu, Obiwanshinobi, justanothertownie, sicklucker, rsoultin, justanotherscummer, rels, tumblewood
Not voting: (1) Superbia
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JAT for some reason I thought you voted Superbia D1 ?
Tumble not jumping on Superbia but jumping on GB is a indeed a good point considering Superbia was RB.
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On April 21 2016 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 00:10 Rels wrote:Votes recap coloredDay 1 final votecount+ Show Spoiler +
GlowingBear: (6) Justanothertownie, Obiwanshinobi, Palmar, rsoultin, Superbia, tumblewood
Superbia: (3) rsoultin, Obiwanshinobi, sicklucker, fazers, Palmar, GlowingBear
Tumblewood: (3) gumshoe, rsoultin, rels, fazers, tumblewood, Superbia, Justanotherscummer
Rsoultin: (1) Onegu
Superbia: (9) Gumshoe, Onegu, Obiwanshinobi, justanothertownie, sicklucker, rsoultin, justanotherscummer, rels, tumblewood
Not voting: (1) Superbia
Good thing you colored dat day2 vc. Will certainly be very helpful :p
^^
You also could not click the damn spoiler instead of complaining!
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lol rsoul I forgot you were writting everything in spanish early on. Apparently it was too hard to keep up ^^
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On April 16 2016 05:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 04:54 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2016 04:26 Palmar wrote:
Lynch rsoultin Hey, Palmar...seriously, dude...I mean if you're mafia and I'm just a chump you can go ahead and ignore this but otherwise I'd really appreciate knowing what's so apparently awful about how I'm playing that all you can do is say lynch rsoultin. Like...I mean, yeah, I'm having trouble finding who I want to lynch that's probably pretty obvious, but considering the only person you can be bothered to talk about is town you're doing no better. If it's a me just being a shitter I'd like to know that though. I really don't think I'm actually playing that bad given the circumstances :/ what happened to spanish???? checkmate scum.
You're lucky Palmar is dead then p:
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On April 21 2016 00:51 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 00:41 justanothertownie wrote:On April 21 2016 00:36 gumshoe wrote:So I have alot of stuff saved up for eon, but if it’s just going to just get ignored theres no real point to the effort is there / : so I’m writing this preamble to hopefully soften the crowd : D if I am actively involved in a game and I make it past the first few nights I am going to start putting stuff together. I think in large webs based around core evidence. The problem is you are all very clever people and you find the one or two holes in what I say and assume that those exceptions are in fact the case and subsequently dismiss them in favour of your own reads. Reads that if I felt like doing so, I could pick apart like cotton. This is simply because most arguments in mafia come with a free set of holes / : the only reason they continue to stand is because people cant be bothered disproving all of them / : I said my interactions make it very unlikely for me to be mafia. That does not equal "I called him mafia so I can't be mafia Heres a post from jat in regards to rels pushing him, at this point jats getting pretty angry. He seems to think that saying my “interactions make it unlikely that were mafia together” is way different from “I cant be mafia with him cause I called him mafia” but rels knows jat and is aware that hes not a hyperbolic player ala ritoky (who would be screaming confirmed for days in jats position after the super flip) which means rels may very well consider an understated claim from him to be equivalent. Is rels right or wrong to do this? Thats besides the point, to qoute jat himself I don't care. I don't think you can townread GB yet. But I think it is entirely possible that gumshoe believes he can. Is it really that hard to see rels believing this as town? Jat seems to think that rels could not possibly do this as green and I think thats his biggest fuck up yet If you are town you are being a fucking idiot because things like this are mafia basics and yet you obviously fail to grasp anything this game. The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town. Jat feels rels is bieng an idiot, he knows rels is intelligent, therefore rels is scum. There are so very many problems with this logic, but lets start simple, jat is a very smart and eloquent person, to him, alot of what we say probably comes off as idiotic because of just that. He has rarely agreed with anyone this game about anything as he is rather confident / : as he should be, he is quite good. Yet that gives him a poor perspective on whats too dumb a move for someone to make. Also there's the fact that this is a terrible move regardless, which means no matter what alignment he is rels is being stupid, therefore stupidity has no bearing on rels alignment as jat seems to think. There is no reason to attack jat here as all rels has to do if hes scum is look townie. Antagonising townie numero uno may do that indirectly, but it also aggros him thereby making the whole move derp. Only real reason to do it is if rels actually think jats scum based off feel and is using shit reasoning to justify that feel read / : thereby pissing off jat and robbing him of his objectivity. Which sorta makes rels town. The point I am trying to make here is that I think Jat is a fantastic player, but here he is being a fucking idiot. I can find shit like this on everyone here and i’m sure they could come up with a million reasons why I’m wrong about them being wrong and we can go back and forth like that forever. Look, I don't want us to stop finding flaws in one another's arguments, thats mafia, what I want is for us to stop rewarding ourselves for finding those flaws with the instant dismissal of the cases to which those flaws belong. All so that we can get back to proving why were right and everyone else is wrong. So when I post what may be my last big wall of text ,which is going to be as logical and streamlined and clear as I can possibly make it ,and you find all the potential outs for each and every point, dont just walk away satisfied, ask yourself how effective those outs actually are, how likely is it that they are the rule and not the exception? Das all I ask yo / : Can you tell me what's the point of this post? Because I don't see it. You want me to townread rels or what? I feel like your very good at finding flaws in theories but bad at evaluating their likely hood. What I am going to be saying at e.o.n has alternative explanations, but those explanations are highly unlikely, what I am worried about is this- I post a huge wall of change and people ethier ignore it or find a possible alternative explanations to it's key points that are huge stretches but serve as more than enough for them to just move on / : The point of this post is to ask people to read my eon posts objectively. Fully prepared to discard many of thier reads if they cant honestly consider the alternatives, to the facts I will base my case around, to be likely. To this end I am using you as a sacrificial goat to demonstrate that even the best players can be wrong : P which is exactly how I am viewing this town atm. but no I am not asking you to town read rels, I am simply showing that your reasoning for scum reading him earlier was bad and fueled by emotion/outrage.
Be honest, you also wrote it to have the opportunity to call JAT a "fucking idiot". ^^
Seriously, sry if you feel everybody is not listening to you. But if several players tell you why they disagree with your conclusions, maybe you are right nonetheless, maybe you didn't explain properly ... or maybe there is something wrong with your conclusions.
And ofc I will read your eon posts if I survive, as everyone should. Doesn't mean I promise to agree with it though.
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On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul.
On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap.
Partner indicator right there.
The rsoul read was:
On April 16 2016 12:32 rsoultin wrote:
slight preference for superbia because i can see fazer just not knowing what to do in his first game. obviously this could come from first-time scum just as easily but yeah...superbia's drive-by not gonna post bit seems like it could come from burn-out...at the very least unless he's just not gonna be back for deadline there's no need to even post the excuse in the first place
Which is a reasonnable and not-so-strong read. It didn't deserve that attack from Tumble quoted above.
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Well I have to leave work. I thought I would have time to reread the entire D1 before that but actually I don't. =X I will try to do that before deadline. If I have to, I will only read JAT's filter from EOD1, but I would prefer if I have time to read the things in their context.
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On April 21 2016 01:39 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 01:12 Rels wrote:
Well I have to leave work. I thought I would have time to reread the entire D1 before that but actually I don't. =X I will try to do that before deadline. If I have to, I will only read JAT's filter from EOD1, but I would prefer if I have time to read the things in their context. You won't find anything incriminating there so it will be a waste of time but don't let me stop you.
Well my GF made the surprise of getting back 1 day earlier than she should have so I'm obv gonna stay with her ^^ so I'll resume this tomorrow if we're both still alive.
To confirm: you think your treatment of Superbia D1 makes you unlikely partner, while mine is NAI right ? This is what I want to look for specifically.
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On April 21 2016 02:49 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 01:05 Rels wrote:On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul. On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap. Partner indicator right there. The rsoul read was: On April 16 2016 12:32 rsoultin wrote:
slight preference for superbia because i can see fazer just not knowing what to do in his first game. obviously this could come from first-time scum just as easily but yeah...superbia's drive-by not gonna post bit seems like it could come from burn-out...at the very least unless he's just not gonna be back for deadline there's no need to even post the excuse in the first place Which is a reasonnable and not-so-strong read. It didn't deserve that attack from Tumble quoted above. Why does this indicate I'm scum with rsoul? Do you think that we're both scum or just one or neither?
No it's an indicator of you being partner with Superbia, because you defended him here but you masked that defense by an attack on rsoul, whose read was actually logical and not very strong.
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My reads in case I die:
Lynch Onegu / Tumble. If one of them is not scum, lynch JAS.
If there is a tryhard scum, it's JAT. In particular check the way he interacted with Superbia to verify his claim that it's different from mine.
Gumshoe is lock town (read his past games if you're not convinced), OWS (being a dick & not fearing posting in thread) & rsoul (natural reads & implicated to solve the game) are very likely town, SL is maybe town (he's doing this thing I've only seen him do as town where he psots sprees of posts when he spots something he wants to talk about).
If I forgot some people they're null.
Hopefully see you tomorrow!
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rsoul =X
Once again I'm working super hard today so I'm kind of around to react to stuff but I didn't even read anything apart from the flip yet.
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On April 21 2016 23:41 Tumblewood wrote:
Really, the scummiest thing Rels has done wasn't voting me D1 but dropping/ignoring the case later.
No worries I haven't drop it, we were busy killing Superbia yesterday and I want some time to reread a lot of stuff before deciding who to vote today.
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On April 21 2016 05:30 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 05:20 Rels wrote:On April 21 2016 01:39 justanothertownie wrote:On April 21 2016 01:12 Rels wrote:
Well I have to leave work. I thought I would have time to reread the entire D1 before that but actually I don't. =X I will try to do that before deadline. If I have to, I will only read JAT's filter from EOD1, but I would prefer if I have time to read the things in their context. You won't find anything incriminating there so it will be a waste of time but don't let me stop you. Well my GF made the surprise of getting back 1 day earlier than she should have so I'm obv gonna stay with her ^^ so I'll resume this tomorrow if we're both still alive. To confirm: you think your treatment of Superbia D1 makes you unlikely partner, while mine is NAI right ? This is what I want to look for specifically. I have no idea why that's so important to you but essentially yes. I did not say yours is nai in general - I didn't reread that yet. But it is certainly not as strong. I am talking about interactions btw. The way superbia tried to go for a palmar lynch and how I immediately shut it down is what I am talking about. I would never allow a buddy (especially the rb) to do that shit in the first place, it is one of the reasons he almost got lynched and had to fakeclaim. If I am on a team with superbia this whole thing never happens.
But I did exactly that too.
TBF rsoul dying is an indicator that you are town, I should have been killed if you were scum. rsoul & I had kinda the same reads apart from you.
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On April 21 2016 23:59 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 23:55 Rels wrote:On April 21 2016 23:41 Tumblewood wrote:
Really, the scummiest thing Rels has done wasn't voting me D1 but dropping/ignoring the case later. No worries I haven't drop it, we were busy killing Superbia yesterday and I want some time to reread a lot of stuff before deciding who to vote today. Are you caught up to the thread ATM?
Not at all, catching up.
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On April 22 2016 00:01 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 00:00 Rels wrote:On April 21 2016 23:59 gumshoe wrote:On April 21 2016 23:55 Rels wrote:On April 21 2016 23:41 Tumblewood wrote:
Really, the scummiest thing Rels has done wasn't voting me D1 but dropping/ignoring the case later. No worries I haven't drop it, we were busy killing Superbia yesterday and I want some time to reread a lot of stuff before deciding who to vote today. Are you caught up to the thread ATM? Not at all, catching up. Don't post anymore till you are please
Sure boss. ^^
On April 22 2016 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Goddamnit phone....
Rels you might have said similar things to superbia but not before I had already done that. So there is no cred for you.
We'll see about that. That doesn't feel very strong either, 'cause you probably can't control what Superbia wants to do if he's playing. In an hypothetical situation where you are his partner and he attacks Palmar for no reason, you will probably buddy Palmar and shut down your partner's bad attack.
Now I see how you will legitimately think that makes you town if you're town but this in particular is NAI.
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So OWS is vig. ^^
If you are vig and your name is not OWS you need to claim today. If you don't you're a moron.
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On April 22 2016 00:13 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 00:11 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 00:01 gumshoe wrote:On April 22 2016 00:00 Rels wrote:On April 21 2016 23:59 gumshoe wrote:On April 21 2016 23:55 Rels wrote:On April 21 2016 23:41 Tumblewood wrote:
Really, the scummiest thing Rels has done wasn't voting me D1 but dropping/ignoring the case later. No worries I haven't drop it, we were busy killing Superbia yesterday and I want some time to reread a lot of stuff before deciding who to vote today. Are you caught up to the thread ATM? Not at all, catching up. Don't post anymore till you are please Sure boss. ^^ On April 22 2016 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Goddamnit phone....
Rels you might have said similar things to superbia but not before I had already done that. So there is no cred for you. We'll see about that. That doesn't feel very strong either, 'cause you probably can't control what Superbia wants to do if he's playing. In an hypothetical situation where you are his partner and he attacks Palmar for no reason, you will probably buddy Palmar and shut down your partner's bad attack. Now I see how you will legitimately think that makes you town if you're town but this in particular is NAI. No, it is not. I would not shut down my partner so hard that he has to fakelcaim to not get lynched. Especially not the roleblocker.
Maybe the strongness of your attacka gainst Superbia makes you town that's true. It's been 24 hours and I haven't have time to read it yet.
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On April 21 2016 08:22 justanothertownie wrote:
It is not even a very believable rant. I don't think you are stupid enough to misunderstand me saying you should die in a fire to mean anything else than I would like you to die INGAME.
Agree with this. The rage post looks fake, and unwarranted. It's not like Onegu was useful at all this game.
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On April 22 2016 00:25 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 00:24 Rels wrote:On April 21 2016 08:22 justanothertownie wrote:
It is not even a very believable rant. I don't think you are stupid enough to misunderstand me saying you should die in a fire to mean anything else than I would like you to die INGAME. Agree with this. The rage post looks fake, and unwarranted. It's not like Onegu was useful at all this game. The thing is he posted something similar in the banlist.
Oh. Then he was really pissed off and it's NAI.
Will need to check the timestamps at some point, I'll assume it's true for now.
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On April 21 2016 09:55 sicklucker wrote:
gonna go read rels filter. im so sure hes mafia but outside of votes I have no real reason to think hes mafia. BUT HIS VOTE IS SO FUCKING MAFIA. your just gonna have to trust me on this one. im voting him today because I dont trust yall to do it torm even with a shape flip
Tumble is pretty likely scum so my vote is actually "so fucking town".
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On April 17 2016 03:08 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 03:05 Superbia wrote:
We're starting any moment. Explain your defense JAT. Nope. Boarding train right now. I will not allow a Palmar lynch today. This is the dumbest thing if you're town. So you're probably not town.
Gotta admit this whole exchange (this is the last post of the exchange) do not feel mafia / mafia at all.
OK JAT if you're scum you played super well and I will be dead before I have a chance to lynch you. So you're town, at least for today. Let's lynch scum.
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Leaving work soon, will be on my phone all evening so no big post but I'll be around to react. I'm OK with Tumble / Onegu / JAS. Tumble is waaaay more likely to be scum though.
The thing gumshoe bought up about Superbia & him being suicidal D1 doesn't apply for a few reasons:
1. Superbia was RB. Scum's #1 priority is to let him live. Superbia claiming to live over Tumble makes sense.
2. Tumble NEVER voted Superbia, even though he was "scumreading" him, to save his life; but he voted GB, who he had no real opinion on.
3. Reason 1 is true, but it's not even what happened. Here is the sequence of events:
On April 17 2016 06:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Might just vote GB on principle though.
On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything.
On April 17 2016 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. Not really. Too many people who are just not invested in this game.
On April 17 2016 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:
I am sick and tired of having to decide day1 lynches. Voted GB, do what you want.
On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
fuck it, I'm staying course on superbia. His rsoultin/gb read post was completely non-sensical, he's taking a lot of weird stances based on literal things without trying to diagnose what may be behind it (look at his thing about fazer. Unless fazer is a good/experienced player it's unlikely he'd admit to just sheeping people as mafia).
I think it's a good lynch.
On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia.
On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME.
On April 17 2016 06:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm down for yolo'ing onto GB.
On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. Maybe I will.
On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I'm a PR you dipshits.
During the minutes before Superbia's fakeclaim, it was quite evident that the fight evolved into Superbia vs GB, not Superbia vs Tumble. So he didn't killed Tumble by claiming, like gumshoe said. Actually it is the opposite. He didn't fakeclaim as long it was a "Tumble vs Superbia" fight, but as soon as it was "GB vs Superbia", he fakeclaimed.
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On April 22 2016 00:51 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 00:30 Rels wrote:On April 21 2016 09:55 sicklucker wrote:
gonna go read rels filter. im so sure hes mafia but outside of votes I have no real reason to think hes mafia. BUT HIS VOTE IS SO FUCKING MAFIA. your just gonna have to trust me on this one. im voting him today because I dont trust yall to do it torm even with a shape flip Tumble is pretty likely scum so my vote is actually "so fucking town". tumble isnt scum / : first big case e.o.n, read it.
I did, and I just responded to it actually. ^^
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On April 22 2016 00:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 00:54 Rels wrote:Leaving work soon, will be on my phone all evening so no big post but I'll be around to react. I'm OK with Tumble / Onegu / JAS. Tumble is waaaay more likely to be scum though. The thing gumshoe bought up about Superbia & him being suicidal D1 doesn't apply for a few reasons: 1. Superbia was RB. Scum's #1 priority is to let him live. Superbia claiming to live over Tumble makes sense. 2. Tumble NEVER voted Superbia, even though he was "scumreading" him, to save his life; but he voted GB, who he had no real opinion on. 3. Reason 1 is true, but it's not even what happened. Here is the sequence of events: On April 17 2016 06:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Might just vote GB on principle though. On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. On April 17 2016 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. Not really. Too many people who are just not invested in this game. On April 17 2016 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:
I am sick and tired of having to decide day1 lynches. Voted GB, do what you want. On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
fuck it, I'm staying course on superbia. His rsoultin/gb read post was completely non-sensical, he's taking a lot of weird stances based on literal things without trying to diagnose what may be behind it (look at his thing about fazer. Unless fazer is a good/experienced player it's unlikely he'd admit to just sheeping people as mafia).
I think it's a good lynch. On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. On April 17 2016 06:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm down for yolo'ing onto GB. On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. Maybe I will. On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I'm a PR you dipshits. During the minutes before Superbia's fakeclaim, it was quite evident that the fight evolved into Superbia vs GB, not Superbia vs Tumble. So he didn't killed Tumble by claiming, like gumshoe said. Actually it is the opposite. He didn't fakeclaim as long it was a "Tumble vs Superbia" fight, but as soon as it was "GB vs Superbia", he fakeclaimed. Ah, so I remembered correctly. Good job little minion. Shape+Tumble still makes a lot of sense to me and it also makes sense that they would kill rsoultin.
NKs are always a little bit WIFOM but yeah it points at Tumble in particular.
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I won't vote before having time to properly read at least Onegu / JAS / Tumble, so that will be tomorrow while you're all sleeping. BTW just because I'm sleeping while you americans are active doesn't mean I'm inactive, isn't it right SL ? Inactive my ass, I bet I did at least twice as much work as you did at the very minimum.
But unless I find something damning, or someone makes a damning case, on someone else, I will probably vote & push Tumble tomorrow.
Alright going out, still on my phone. ^^
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On April 22 2016 01:05 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 01:04 Rels wrote:
I won't vote before having time to properly read at least Onegu / JAS / Tumble, so that will be tomorrow while you're all sleeping. BTW just because I'm sleeping while you americans are active doesn't mean I'm inactive, isn't it right SL ? Inactive my ass, I bet I did at least twice as much work as you did at the very minimum.
But unless I find something damning, or someone makes a damning case, on someone else, I will probably vote & push Tumble tomorrow.
Alright going out, still on my phone. ^^ You are not the only EU player in this game bro. I feel your pain.
Then you're beginning to sleep way later than I do :p
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On April 22 2016 01:07 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 00:56 justanothertownie wrote:On April 22 2016 00:54 Rels wrote:Leaving work soon, will be on my phone all evening so no big post but I'll be around to react. I'm OK with Tumble / Onegu / JAS. Tumble is waaaay more likely to be scum though. The thing gumshoe bought up about Superbia & him being suicidal D1 doesn't apply for a few reasons: 1. Superbia was RB. Scum's #1 priority is to let him live. Superbia claiming to live over Tumble makes sense. 2. Tumble NEVER voted Superbia, even though he was "scumreading" him, to save his life; but he voted GB, who he had no real opinion on. 3. Reason 1 is true, but it's not even what happened. Here is the sequence of events: On April 17 2016 06:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Might just vote GB on principle though. On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. On April 17 2016 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. Not really. Too many people who are just not invested in this game. On April 17 2016 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:
I am sick and tired of having to decide day1 lynches. Voted GB, do what you want. On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
fuck it, I'm staying course on superbia. His rsoultin/gb read post was completely non-sensical, he's taking a lot of weird stances based on literal things without trying to diagnose what may be behind it (look at his thing about fazer. Unless fazer is a good/experienced player it's unlikely he'd admit to just sheeping people as mafia).
I think it's a good lynch. On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. On April 17 2016 06:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm down for yolo'ing onto GB. On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. Maybe I will. On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I'm a PR you dipshits. During the minutes before Superbia's fakeclaim, it was quite evident that the fight evolved into Superbia vs GB, not Superbia vs Tumble. So he didn't killed Tumble by claiming, like gumshoe said. Actually it is the opposite. He didn't fakeclaim as long it was a "Tumble vs Superbia" fight, but as soon as it was "GB vs Superbia", he fakeclaimed. Ah, so I remembered correctly. Good job little minion. Shape+Tumble still makes a lot of sense to me and it also makes sense that they would kill rsoultin. yeah except rels is wrong -_- so yeah jat, when super claimed, there was one vote on gb and gb had LITERALLY just voted(wish time stamp gave the second XD). also this post to palmer (in response to plamer saying he would stay on super) which happened just before gb voted and implies he was about to claim. the actual claim seems to support this chain of events as the "make it clearer" warning implies his earlier post was a claim, or at least a preamble to one. Super claimed knowing full well that if tumble was his scum part he just killed them both, it is not reasonable to consider a shenanie onto gb in that spot as a likely outcome as gb may very well have been about to get modkilled instead. point is, with only one vote from jat onto gb WHO AT THE TIME WAS ABOUT TO GET MODKILLED AS HE WAS NOT VOTING(or something, not sure how the rules work XD) Super made a move that would kill them both on the off chance that gb voted. also jat is just not scum with super, hes just not. Read their interactions over palmer and the day 1 lynch. I can go into it, but its just not scum on scum / :
This has nothing to do with GB. Notice I didn't quote any GB in my post. This has to do with jat voting GB and palmar declaring he would sheep jat, then voting superbia. At that point it was a GB superbia 1v1 even if GB had not posted at all.
And about that last past, apparently you didn't read my last post on that subject that said more or less this :p
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Agree that knegu needs to die
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Going to sllepp soon so see you tkmorrow
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On April 22 2016 17:52 sicklucker wrote:
Apparently gumshoes biggest filter as scum was like 4 pages. Like he cant fake this.
You stole that from me!
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Onegu are you caught up ?
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On April 22 2016 21:24 Onegu wrote:Nope watching ESL and just checking in every once and a while. Are you scum?
No. Are you vig ?
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On April 22 2016 21:27 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 21:27 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:24 Onegu wrote:On April 22 2016 21:05 Rels wrote:
Onegu are you caught up ? Nope watching ESL and just checking in every once and a while. Are you scum? No. Are you vig ? Nope, Why?
You'll see when you catch up.
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On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede
That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum:
- he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though.
- he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard.
- he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1.
- rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread
- his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now
Going to Shape now, then Onegu.
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Oh yeah I forgot JAS really didn't implicate himself during D1 lynch. He posted this 2 hours before deadline:
On April 17 2016 04:54 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Alright, time to go to work.
Next post is 1h20 later:
On April 17 2016 06:18 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Yeah, Something came up, and thou will not have time most likely from now to lynch. The people I feel towny vibes from are: Rels Gum A bit form Rsoul Fine lynching: Super, Tumble to a degree maybeeee Palmar Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:51 Tumblewood wrote:ows: not even now? impressive jas who are you really and what reactions are you going for + Show Spoiler +don't lie you know you're going for reactions I am not going for reactions. And I will reveal who I am after a quick glance at your filter.
Then finally he starts posting stuff only 12 minutes before deadline, and only an handful of posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2016 06:48 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:24 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 06:18 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Yeah, Something came up, and thou will not have time most likely from now to lynch. The people I feel towny vibes from are: Rels Gum A bit form Rsoul Fine lynching: Super, Tumble to a degree maybeeee Palmar On April 17 2016 05:51 Tumblewood wrote:ows: not even now? impressive jas who are you really and what reactions are you going for + Show Spoiler +don't lie you know you're going for reactions I am not going for reactions. And I will reveal who I am after a quick glance at your filter. Excitment! Why do you still scumread Palmar when so many people has told it is NAI ? Eh, I still find it sort of sus. yet, I acknowledge that time will tell. On April 17 2016 06:50 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway
if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now Alright, I am spilling the beans here. I am shapelog, And i know that you always vote for the survival wagon as town. On April 17 2016 06:57 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
You still are way off tumble then what you feel like and i know as towntumble On April 17 2016 06:58 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Might just be me though.
If both his partners were up for lynched, that would explain why it was so hard for him to do anything near deadline.
Mm he voted on Tumble though.
On April 17 2016 06:58 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Vote: Tumblewood
Actually he voted 2 minutes before deadline, at a time when it was clear GB was lynched, and if not GB Superbia.
Then after the flip he disappeared for 24 hours.
Yeah his attitude near EOD1 is very scum indicative.
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On April 22 2016 22:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 17:39 Onegu wrote:On April 22 2016 17:20 sicklucker wrote:
oh come on hes the most obv town Really need to look into obi and rels also. Oh this will be exciting.
^^ that's why I asked him about whether he was caught up.
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On April 22 2016 22:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 22:28 Rels wrote:Oh yeah I forgot JAS really didn't implicate himself during D1 lynch. He posted this 2 hours before deadline: On April 17 2016 04:54 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Alright, time to go to work. Next post is 1h20 later: On April 17 2016 06:18 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Yeah, Something came up, and thou will not have time most likely from now to lynch. The people I feel towny vibes from are: Rels Gum A bit form Rsoul Fine lynching: Super, Tumble to a degree maybeeee Palmar On April 17 2016 05:51 Tumblewood wrote:ows: not even now? impressive jas who are you really and what reactions are you going for + Show Spoiler +don't lie you know you're going for reactions I am not going for reactions. And I will reveal who I am after a quick glance at your filter. Then finally he starts posting stuff only 12 minutes before deadline, and only an handful of posts: + Show Spoiler +On April 17 2016 06:48 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:24 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 06:18 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Yeah, Something came up, and thou will not have time most likely from now to lynch. The people I feel towny vibes from are: Rels Gum A bit form Rsoul Fine lynching: Super, Tumble to a degree maybeeee Palmar On April 17 2016 05:51 Tumblewood wrote:ows: not even now? impressive jas who are you really and what reactions are you going for + Show Spoiler +don't lie you know you're going for reactions I am not going for reactions. And I will reveal who I am after a quick glance at your filter. Excitment! Why do you still scumread Palmar when so many people has told it is NAI ? Eh, I still find it sort of sus. yet, I acknowledge that time will tell. On April 17 2016 06:50 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway
if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now Alright, I am spilling the beans here. I am shapelog, And i know that you always vote for the survival wagon as town. On April 17 2016 06:57 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
You still are way off tumble then what you feel like and i know as towntumble On April 17 2016 06:58 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Might just be me though.
If both his partners were up for lynched, that would explain why it was so hard for him to do anything near deadline. Mm he voted on Tumble though. On April 17 2016 06:58 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Vote: Tumblewood Actually he voted 2 minutes before deadline, at a time when it was clear GB was lynched, and if not GB Superbia. Then after the flip he disappeared for 24 hours. Yeah his attitude near EOD1 is very scum indicative. That's what I brought up multiple times by now. He didn't care for anything else at deadline and voted tumble when it was clear that tumble wasn't the lynch. He completely ignored the claim too.
Yeah. And it's not like he wasn't there like SL - he was there but just didn't implicate himself.
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The rest of his filter does not scream scum apart from his activity though. His attitude EOD1 is the biggest thing.
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On April 19 2016 09:06 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Tumblewood - Scum (Super flip might change this)
I don't think you reevaluated Tubme with the infos of the flip. You said he "still felt like crap" then that he was "maybe town" if I didn't miss anything. What did you expect from Superbia's flip ? Did that actually change your read or not ?
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Onegu is a total coinflip.
Onegu if you're town you need to catch up then starts being useful.
On April 22 2016 17:39 Onegu wrote:
Really need to look into obi and rels also. Guess tumble also since rsoul thought he was scum. JAS also since he is the lead wagon.
Everyone else doubt I will read today.
You promised this so I hope you do it.
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Alright I think Tumble is the best lynch.
##Vote Tumble
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On April 22 2016 23:09 sicklucker wrote:
no its shape ... change now
No Tumble is scummier than Shape.
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On April 22 2016 23:17 sicklucker wrote:
Like rels how can you see shape has had 4 votes all day clearly been here but not caring. Then go hey na ill just vote tumble.
Right now its like
99% shape
40-50% tumble
Why would you vote tumble so risky
I'll consolidate if needed but I think Tumble is more likely to flip scum than Shape. What is "risky" about that ? And did you even read what I wrote on Tumble last page ?
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Was he really super active in the other game when he was super AFK here ?
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On April 22 2016 23:24 sicklucker wrote:
Like I have been in two games many times before. And I am always more invested in my first game always. im not answering that rels I already feel like I should be mod killed
Yeah actually that is borderline stuff.
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On April 22 2016 23:32 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 01:25 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Alright I am here now,
OWS, my normal way of scum hunting is being nick picky in general. It is how I see and process the game. I really can't do much if you had a prob. with why I had sus. on you. I've had them since roughly the middle of the 1st 24 hours of yesterday, and have been asking you why.
Also, Why would I kill Rsoul if I am scum. Ik this is WIFOM, but littirlay she was one of the few who were Town reading me at the time of her death. Also, I am a bus driver, I bus people and have shown that I know how to mutipleit the Vote count to make me look greatly town based off of vote logic (read the mafia qt from Storm, where I voted Rsoul D1, predicting that 3 people would vote for the counter wagon.) I would have come in, voted Super (since the claim, that I would actually know that happen, since he prob. would of told me in the suppose qt) and make up something like "I Had to do this in devil, yet, I was against claiming till I had to, and did not do it last min. That is why I voted super." or something like that.
I will finish catching up, And reread everything. The claim has changed my view, and this is the time that I do best at (being lynched) in terms of looking and catching scum. this is what I was talking about. ITs very believable he did this to tumble with his wasted vote at the end of day 1. Which is why I want to lynch him first
That last sentence below the bolded is pretty ironic =D
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On April 22 2016 23:36 sicklucker wrote:
ya i mean pretty much everything he says makes him scum. am I to cop paste his filter?
Tumble's filter is much more scummy in that regard. Every read he has made this game is baseless.
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On April 22 2016 23:37 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 23:35 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 23:32 sicklucker wrote:On April 22 2016 01:25 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Alright I am here now,
OWS, my normal way of scum hunting is being nick picky in general. It is how I see and process the game. I really can't do much if you had a prob. with why I had sus. on you. I've had them since roughly the middle of the 1st 24 hours of yesterday, and have been asking you why.
Also, Why would I kill Rsoul if I am scum. Ik this is WIFOM, but littirlay she was one of the few who were Town reading me at the time of her death. Also, I am a bus driver, I bus people and have shown that I know how to mutipleit the Vote count to make me look greatly town based off of vote logic (read the mafia qt from Storm, where I voted Rsoul D1, predicting that 3 people would vote for the counter wagon.) I would have come in, voted Super (since the claim, that I would actually know that happen, since he prob. would of told me in the suppose qt) and make up something like "I Had to do this in devil, yet, I was against claiming till I had to, and did not do it last min. That is why I voted super." or something like that.
I will finish catching up, And reread everything. The claim has changed my view, and this is the time that I do best at (being lynched) in terms of looking and catching scum. this is what I was talking about. ITs very believable he did this to tumble with his wasted vote at the end of day 1. Which is why I want to lynch him first That last sentence below the bolded is pretty ironic =D Too slow scrub.
For once.
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I don't even know if "for once" means what I wanted to say in English ^^
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yo please answer my question about Tumble, you should encounter it soon if you're catching up
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On April 23 2016 00:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote:I just clicked your filter. Quicker that way Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 22:51 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 09:06 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Tumblewood - Scum (Super flip might change this)
I don't think you reevaluated Tubme with the infos of the flip. You said he "still felt like crap" then that he was "maybe town" if I didn't miss anything. What did you expect from Superbia's flip ? Did that actually change your read or not ? In short, it mostly has to do with his interactions with super D1. A flip (with Role) helps me see his things. Thought, tbh, I kinda didn't do that with the "maybe town post". It had to do with the survival vote idea also. As if he (super) was Rb (A valuable role, with 2 active roles in the game) it is more of a vote for survival for his team, then himself. I thought it would make him scum, as it breaks his survival vote, and a RB getting lynched would explain it. Yet he was against Super early on, and he was really actually deadset on a vig shot on super. On his first what? 5 posts in he said he wanted super to get shot. The post about it came roughly half way through the day, and super wasn't certain to get lynch (AKA, the claim idea prob. wasn't sparked) yet. Therefore, calling for a shot on him that early on seems off. This post also seems weird from a Scum mindset (I missed it.) Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:59 Tumblewood wrote:
rels still picking the low-hanging fruit
didn't jat SR sicklucker a while back? i thought that was a pretty good read
rsoul you have some important questions to answer
protip: if it's lylo and i'm still alive, i'm probably scum because i never make it past d4 as town Kinda removes the option to live past Day 3 if he is scum. Especially after the claim later, which would take up another day at least. (And potentially 2, if CC happen, and we lynched CC) he basically put himself in a horrible situation. Eh, I thought it was a bit weird also he was scum to put him into a position where he literary have no scum reads other than me + the clueless tone a bit. His dissapence though kinda got me worried a way. Though, even when tumble was getting bussed by me in XIX (when he was dying/scum read), IIRC, he was still posting and contributing.
This first thing about him scumreading / calling for a vig shot on Superbie means nothing. It's not hard for partners to distance themselves. And while scumreading Superbia he attacked rsoul at the same time for her read on Superbia:
On April 21 2016 01:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul. Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap. Partner indicator right there. The rsoul read was: Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 12:32 rsoultin wrote:
slight preference for superbia because i can see fazer just not knowing what to do in his first game. obviously this could come from first-time scum just as easily but yeah...superbia's drive-by not gonna post bit seems like it could come from burn-out...at the very least unless he's just not gonna be back for deadline there's no need to even post the excuse in the first place Which is a reasonnable and not-so-strong read. It didn't deserve that attack from Tumble quoted above.
This is illogical.
THEN, when the things really mattered IE at deadline EOD1, he didn't vote Superbia when (1) he scumread him and (2) it would have been helped him survive over Superbia. So his stance does not match his actions.
About the LYLO comment, saying WIFOM stuff like this is totally NAI.
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The series of posts the "vig shot" comment is part of is really hypocritical:
On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul.
On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap.
On April 16 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
where I'm at right now:
null
most people
don't want to lynch
gumshoe because innocent town
rels because actually trying
ows because actually trying
palmar because in Devil I lynched him day 1 and I never got to play with him
could lynch today
rsoul because all her answers are kind of meh
superbia because AFK; prefer vig shot
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Anyway leaving work. I will be in a train going to the South of France during deadline so I'll try to phonepost but no garantee! See ya
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On April 23 2016 01:24 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Blah, I would of already concede if my partner is tumble and I am scum here. Anyways, back at Rels. I still ponder though about the night kill tho. Yes, Rsoul was onto him (if he is scum) yet, tumble was reading her as one of his 2 lynches. Everyone else was town in his eyes.
NKs are wifom and a read should not be based only on that. But even then, survival > logic. rsoul was pushing Tumble really strongly D2 & N2, it was her main scumread by a lot. I don't understand how you can think a rsoul kill is a town indicator for Tumble.
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On April 23 2016 01:53 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 00:51 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 00:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote:I just clicked your filter. Quicker that way On April 22 2016 22:51 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 09:06 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Tumblewood - Scum (Super flip might change this)
I don't think you reevaluated Tubme with the infos of the flip. You said he "still felt like crap" then that he was "maybe town" if I didn't miss anything. What did you expect from Superbia's flip ? Did that actually change your read or not ? In short, it mostly has to do with his interactions with super D1. A flip (with Role) helps me see his things. Thought, tbh, I kinda didn't do that with the "maybe town post". It had to do with the survival vote idea also. As if he (super) was Rb (A valuable role, with 2 active roles in the game) it is more of a vote for survival for his team, then himself. I thought it would make him scum, as it breaks his survival vote, and a RB getting lynched would explain it. Yet he was against Super early on, and he was really actually deadset on a vig shot on super. On his first what? 5 posts in he said he wanted super to get shot. The post about it came roughly half way through the day, and super wasn't certain to get lynch (AKA, the claim idea prob. wasn't sparked) yet. Therefore, calling for a shot on him that early on seems off. This post also seems weird from a Scum mindset (I missed it.) On April 17 2016 05:59 Tumblewood wrote:
rels still picking the low-hanging fruit
didn't jat SR sicklucker a while back? i thought that was a pretty good read
rsoul you have some important questions to answer
protip: if it's lylo and i'm still alive, i'm probably scum because i never make it past d4 as town Kinda removes the option to live past Day 3 if he is scum. Especially after the claim later, which would take up another day at least. (And potentially 2, if CC happen, and we lynched CC) he basically put himself in a horrible situation. Eh, I thought it was a bit weird also he was scum to put him into a position where he literary have no scum reads other than me + the clueless tone a bit. His dissapence though kinda got me worried a way. Though, even when tumble was getting bussed by me in XIX (when he was dying/scum read), IIRC, he was still posting and contributing. This first thing about him scumreading / calling for a vig shot on Superbie means nothing. It's not hard for partners to distance themselves. And while scumreading Superbia he attacked rsoul at the same time for her read on Superbia: On April 21 2016 01:05 Rels wrote:On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul. On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap. Partner indicator right there. The rsoul read was: On April 16 2016 12:32 rsoultin wrote:
slight preference for superbia because i can see fazer just not knowing what to do in his first game. obviously this could come from first-time scum just as easily but yeah...superbia's drive-by not gonna post bit seems like it could come from burn-out...at the very least unless he's just not gonna be back for deadline there's no need to even post the excuse in the first place Which is a reasonnable and not-so-strong read. It didn't deserve that attack from Tumble quoted above. This is illogical. THEN, when the things really mattered IE at deadline EOD1, he didn't vote Superbia when (1) he scumread him and (2) it would have been helped him survive over Superbia. So his stance does not match his actions. About the LYLO comment, saying WIFOM stuff like this is totally NAI. This is a good post. Also the "I usually don't survive" thing is more a "I am lynchbait" comment and serves to make people think of him like that which makes sense regardless of his alignment. Probably more for mafia though. Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 01:24 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede Blah, I would of already concede if my partner is tumble and I am scum here.Anyways, back at Rels. I still ponder though about the night kill tho. Yes, Rsoul was onto him (if he is scum) yet, tumble was reading her as one of his 2 lynches. Everyone else was town in his eyes. The bolded is a lie. I am pretty sure you wouldn't.
The last line is super true. Shape, you are posting a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense.
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On April 23 2016 02:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Jat, forgive me if I missed it but who do you have as scum? I'm assuming tumble/SL or some variant thereof, yes?
lol we're so lucky you're vig =D
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On April 23 2016 03:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 03:18 Onegu wrote:On April 23 2016 03:08 gumshoe wrote:
Still though, parking his votes on clear townies is exactly how scumgu plays -_- he also uses tons of life excuses as scum as well.
He also just dropped his read on me and fucked off.
grrrrrrr hate bringing him into end game.
I use life excuses in town games, I am disabled and have a disabled son shit comes up. Like dont use meta, you are bad at it if you are town or you are just making up reads for the fun of it as scum. You have tried to make multiple meta reads on me this game going from town, to sucm to town to scum and it looks fake as hell to me that you actually believe these reads. I havent fucked off I am around and plan on reading shit before deadline. Also I have a very good track record as town of actually figuring the game out during lylo. I don't know where your confidence comes from, but I just want to point out its a lot easier to solve Lylo when your are consistently the scummiest person there.
This is so fucking true
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Gumshoe did you read what I wrote on tumble ?
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On April 23 2016 03:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 01:53 justanothertownie wrote:On April 23 2016 00:51 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 00:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote:I just clicked your filter. Quicker that way On April 22 2016 22:51 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 09:06 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Tumblewood - Scum (Super flip might change this)
I don't think you reevaluated Tubme with the infos of the flip. You said he "still felt like crap" then that he was "maybe town" if I didn't miss anything. What did you expect from Superbia's flip ? Did that actually change your read or not ? In short, it mostly has to do with his interactions with super D1. A flip (with Role) helps me see his things. Thought, tbh, I kinda didn't do that with the "maybe town post". It had to do with the survival vote idea also. As if he (super) was Rb (A valuable role, with 2 active roles in the game) it is more of a vote for survival for his team, then himself. I thought it would make him scum, as it breaks his survival vote, and a RB getting lynched would explain it. Yet he was against Super early on, and he was really actually deadset on a vig shot on super. On his first what? 5 posts in he said he wanted super to get shot. The post about it came roughly half way through the day, and super wasn't certain to get lynch (AKA, the claim idea prob. wasn't sparked) yet. Therefore, calling for a shot on him that early on seems off. This post also seems weird from a Scum mindset (I missed it.) On April 17 2016 05:59 Tumblewood wrote:
rels still picking the low-hanging fruit
didn't jat SR sicklucker a while back? i thought that was a pretty good read
rsoul you have some important questions to answer
protip: if it's lylo and i'm still alive, i'm probably scum because i never make it past d4 as town Kinda removes the option to live past Day 3 if he is scum. Especially after the claim later, which would take up another day at least. (And potentially 2, if CC happen, and we lynched CC) he basically put himself in a horrible situation. Eh, I thought it was a bit weird also he was scum to put him into a position where he literary have no scum reads other than me + the clueless tone a bit. His dissapence though kinda got me worried a way. Though, even when tumble was getting bussed by me in XIX (when he was dying/scum read), IIRC, he was still posting and contributing. This first thing about him scumreading / calling for a vig shot on Superbie means nothing. It's not hard for partners to distance themselves. And while scumreading Superbia he attacked rsoul at the same time for her read on Superbia: On April 21 2016 01:05 Rels wrote:On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul. On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap. Partner indicator right there. The rsoul read was: On April 16 2016 12:32 rsoultin wrote:
slight preference for superbia because i can see fazer just not knowing what to do in his first game. obviously this could come from first-time scum just as easily but yeah...superbia's drive-by not gonna post bit seems like it could come from burn-out...at the very least unless he's just not gonna be back for deadline there's no need to even post the excuse in the first place Which is a reasonnable and not-so-strong read. It didn't deserve that attack from Tumble quoted above. This is illogical. THEN, when the things really mattered IE at deadline EOD1, he didn't vote Superbia when (1) he scumread him and (2) it would have been helped him survive over Superbia. So his stance does not match his actions. About the LYLO comment, saying WIFOM stuff like this is totally NAI. This is a good post. Also the "I usually don't survive" thing is more a "I am lynchbait" comment and serves to make people think of him like that which makes sense regardless of his alignment. Probably more for mafia though. On April 23 2016 01:24 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede Blah, I would of already concede if my partner is tumble and I am scum here.Anyways, back at Rels. I still ponder though about the night kill tho. Yes, Rsoul was onto him (if he is scum) yet, tumble was reading her as one of his 2 lynches. Everyone else was town in his eyes. The bolded is a lie. I am pretty sure you wouldn't. Lol, if me and Tumble is, yes i would lol. I am already getting lynched, and if I was scum, I would flip scum, people would go "Shape is a bus driver, Tumble is scum." and Tumble loses. On top of the scum reads on him. The win chance of Tumble in that case is .0001% and gets worse if a heal happens. No sense to waste time in that case. Both me and him are in another game, so I let you answer if we would drain ourselfs (well tumble) for a battle. Also, Why wouldn't I lol?
You tried so hard in your two scum games that this is hard to believe
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On April 23 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:
Hola compadres, I apologize for my absence.
It seems like the plan is to lynch Shape and then me. Fortunately we have a mislynch, but that means bringing Onegu to LyLo (bar a doc save) and if Rels is scum-- still not ruled out-- we lose.
So I advise that you don't lynch me and instead go for Onegu or Rels. I'd recommend ignoring everything Shape says today because his words are laced with wine.
This is so bad. So you're 100% sure shape is scum ? Why are you even talking about tomorrow
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My train is leaving so I will be quite inactive starting now! Hopefully I will have network around deadline
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So we're in LYLO :X
I ran out of battey in the train so I couldn't read anything while I was traveling. Will catch up tomorrow
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Well Onegu / Tumble is he simplest answer. Both of them are scummy, and that would explain the insistance of Tumble to kill Shape, as it is the only path he can take to win.
Tinfoils of JAT are coming back ... we'll see what happens during the night. SL & gumshoe suspecting me over nothing makes me mad too. It's quite infuriating to see so many suspicions on me when it's easily the towniest I've been in a long time ... there is nothing against me apart from the D1 vote against Superbia, which means nothing if Tumble is scum, and "he's townie but he's a super good scum" which is why I've been lynched so many times as town. People saying I'm inactive is BS, I've been pretty active and pushing the game forward more than anyone else, but not hyperactive like I am when I'm scum. I swear to god if Tumble is scum and I'm lynched over him I will be super mad. If it's someone else it'll be more understandable, everybody else is quite townie. But I doubt I will get lynched when I am so obv townie anyway.
Will not be super active this weekend since I'm in the south of France with my family, I will be rereading the game at some point after the night ends though. BTW this is something everybody should do since it's LYLO unless the doc protects succesfully.
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On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do
Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or be super suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that.
And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ?
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On April 23 2016 23:31 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or be super suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ? Tumble says he felt that super might flip town, and then he would just die after. It's derpy, but keep in mind tumble has made blatant mistakes this game irrelevant of faction. So it's not like this is some unexplainable scum agenda. He may very well have got caught up in some erroneous logic and not explained himself properly. Btw since you think the scum team is tumble onegu, I take it you have no issue lynching onegu tommorow correct?
If I had to decide right now, no issues. That might chnage when I reread the game but given what I remember from onegu s filter I doubt it :p
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On April 24 2016 00:15 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or be super suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ? how do you find superbia fake claiming with tumble as second wagon?
GB was the second wagon when superbia fakeclaimed. Let me find the post, might take me a long time on phone :p
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Actually I got lucky
On April 22 2016 00:54 Rels wrote:Leaving work soon, will be on my phone all evening so no big post but I'll be around to react. I'm OK with Tumble / Onegu / JAS. Tumble is waaaay more likely to be scum though. The thing gumshoe bought up about Superbia & him being suicidal D1 doesn't apply for a few reasons: 1. Superbia was RB. Scum's #1 priority is to let him live. Superbia claiming to live over Tumble makes sense. 2. Tumble NEVER voted Superbia, even though he was "scumreading" him, to save his life; but he voted GB, who he had no real opinion on. 3. Reason 1 is true, but it's not even what happened. Here is the sequence of events: Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Might just vote GB on principle though. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. Not really. Too many people who are just not invested in this game. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:
I am sick and tired of having to decide day1 lynches. Voted GB, do what you want. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
fuck it, I'm staying course on superbia. His rsoultin/gb read post was completely non-sensical, he's taking a lot of weird stances based on literal things without trying to diagnose what may be behind it (look at his thing about fazer. Unless fazer is a good/experienced player it's unlikely he'd admit to just sheeping people as mafia).
I think it's a good lynch. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. Maybe I will. During the minutes before Superbia's fakeclaim, it was quite evident that the fight evolved into Superbia vs GB, not Superbia vs Tumble. So he didn't killed Tumble by claiming, like gumshoe said. Actually it is the opposite. He didn't fakeclaim as long it was a "Tumble vs Superbia" fight, but as soon as it was "GB vs Superbia", he fakeclaimed.
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On April 24 2016 00:22 sicklucker wrote:
The thing is people who voted to save super before he claimed are the most scummiest. Because claiming day 1 as scum is basicly giving up and going for a shitty trade. After that not much matters but rels voting to save super before that is big
What about the fact that I would have probably voted superbia if tumble was super townie eod1 ? If he's town, I couldn't predict on him not only being scummy, but making a mistake that is way more likely to have come from scum than from town
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On April 24 2016 00:43 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 00:34 Rels wrote:Actually I got lucky On April 22 2016 00:54 Rels wrote:Leaving work soon, will be on my phone all evening so no big post but I'll be around to react. I'm OK with Tumble / Onegu / JAS. Tumble is waaaay more likely to be scum though. The thing gumshoe bought up about Superbia & him being suicidal D1 doesn't apply for a few reasons: 1. Superbia was RB. Scum's #1 priority is to let him live. Superbia claiming to live over Tumble makes sense. 2. Tumble NEVER voted Superbia, even though he was "scumreading" him, to save his life; but he voted GB, who he had no real opinion on. 3. Reason 1 is true, but it's not even what happened. Here is the sequence of events: On April 17 2016 06:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Might just vote GB on principle though. On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. On April 17 2016 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. Not really. Too many people who are just not invested in this game. On April 17 2016 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:
I am sick and tired of having to decide day1 lynches. Voted GB, do what you want. On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
fuck it, I'm staying course on superbia. His rsoultin/gb read post was completely non-sensical, he's taking a lot of weird stances based on literal things without trying to diagnose what may be behind it (look at his thing about fazer. Unless fazer is a good/experienced player it's unlikely he'd admit to just sheeping people as mafia).
I think it's a good lynch. On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. On April 17 2016 06:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm down for yolo'ing onto GB. On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. Maybe I will. On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I'm a PR you dipshits. During the minutes before Superbia's fakeclaim, it was quite evident that the fight evolved into Superbia vs GB, not Superbia vs Tumble. So he didn't killed Tumble by claiming, like gumshoe said. Actually it is the opposite. He didn't fakeclaim as long it was a "Tumble vs Superbia" fight, but as soon as it was "GB vs Superbia", he fakeclaimed. I disagree with your interpretation of these events. I dont believe a well informed scum team would have claimed with any chance of scum tumble dying. No one else should be convinced by this ether (unless your name is jat and you refuse to believe anything that doesn't support your view of the game)
If you read this pages of eod 1 and believe it was likely that tumble got lynched after superbia fakeclaimed, you're dillusuonal. It was not happening when palmar was protecting tumble, said he sheeping jat then voting superbia, and jat going for GB.
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On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote:
We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that?
Yes. I already answered this like 5 minutes ago. That's the second time you didn't read something I've said recently bro, if you want to be read you ve got to do it yourself
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On April 24 2016 00:52 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote:
We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that? Yes. I already answered this like 5 minutes ago. That's the second time you didn't read something I've said recently bro, if you want to be read you ve got to do it yourself
I meant "yes ok to lynch onegu"
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Then you missed this:
On April 24 2016 00:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 23:31 gumshoe wrote:On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or be super suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ? Tumble says he felt that super might flip town, and then he would just die after. It's derpy, but keep in mind tumble has made blatant mistakes this game irrelevant of faction. So it's not like this is some unexplainable scum agenda. He may very well have got caught up in some erroneous logic and not explained himself properly. Btw since you think the scum team is tumble onegu, I take it you have no issue lynching onegu tommorow correct? If I had to decide right now, no issues. That might chnage when I reread the game but given what I remember from onegu s filter I doubt it :p
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On April 24 2016 00:55 gumshoe wrote:
I refuse to believe that super would claim with a tumble lynch on the table, especially if his team mates were onegu and tumble, because that flat out means he had no control over the lynch.
If tumble had been lynched, super would die the next day, onegu soon after.
It is an awful play that makes no sense no matter how much you insult me.
I'm not insulting bro calm down :p I don't know how you cannot see this but to me it is pretty clear it was GB vs superbia at the time of the fakeclaim. But I see you've made up your mind about it
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Tumble what do you think of this situation ? Do you think you had a chance to be lynched when superbia fakeclaimed ?
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On April 24 2016 06:59 justanothertownie wrote:
So, in the sadly rather unlikely case I die:
Just don't rule anyone out because he "played a good game" or some shit. I really don't think gumshoe is mafia but I could be wrong don't just ignore everything people might bring up. Would be a very very impressive scumgame for him though. Seems unlikely.
SL needs to be reevaluated depending on who really is the medic.
Rels has been less invested recently methinks. Don't sleep on him.
Onegu/Tumble still look really bad to me though.
Well ofc I'm at a family reunion centered around my 102 years old great grandmother, I had no time to play since Friday evening. I don't know how you can say I was not invested before that, and in 24 hours when I'm back to work I'll be rereading and solving the game.
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Gumshoe being doc means we're at LYLO. Everyone should reevaluate and discuss about it. We do not have any safety net anymore.
My obvious team is onegu / tumble but I will reread the game to see if I catch something else.
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Boarding my train back to Paris! Kinda around to discuss, probably with delay
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Sl you asked me about tumble vote yesterday, I replied to you and yoy apparently dropped it, no reaction to what I've said ?
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On April 25 2016 04:55 justanothertownie wrote:It would be much easier for you if you just accepted the obvious fact that I am town and worked from there. Let's face it - if I am mafia you aren't winning the game anyways and noone else is even putting in anay effort at all. Not to mention my interactions with super. Not to mention how every single nightkill had me as their top townread. If you want to you can waste your time tinfoiling about but if you want to win this game you shouldn't.
I really, really hope you are not mafia cause this is kinda true. Winning will be very hard if you are
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The sl posts on me are not good find since I didn't vote to save superbia, I voted to lynch tumble. Once again, tumble and superbia were my two scumreads d1. Tumble was around before eod1. If he had been super townie, I would have been forced to vote my partner or find a shitty reason not to do that. If I was partner with superbia, I basically forced myself into a situation where if tumble is town and hadn't make a huge mistake eod1, I was in a bad situation. I would never do that in the first place.
Apart from that I agree sl is townie, but because he's playing his town meta which I know he has a hard time replicating
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On April 25 2016 05:52 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 01:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 24 2016 07:12 sicklucker wrote:
My votes not final but I doubt I will change it unless I see some damned shit in tumble or jats filter which I promise to read. That or we can lynch the probably more likely scum rels with me :D SL, tell me why Rels is scum. vote analyst and doing nothing after day 1. his day one looked town but he looked town in pyp too and I wasstill right when I lynched him there
Read my fucking filter before repeating again and again I did nothing past d1
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Sl you asked me yesterday about tumble vote. I replied to you. Did you not see it or did you ignore it ?
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On April 25 2016 05:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:53 Rels wrote:
The sl posts on me are not good find since I didn't vote to save superbia, I voted to lynch tumble. Once again, tumble and superbia were my two scumreads d1. Tumble was around before eod1. If he had been super townie, I would have been forced to vote my partner or find a shitty reason not to do that. If I was partner with superbia, I basically forced myself into a situation where if tumble is town and hadn't make a huge mistake eod1, I was in a bad situation. I would never do that in the first place.
Apart from that I agree sl is townie, but because he's playing his town meta which I know he has a hard time replicating This doesn't convince me. Tumble arguably WAS pretty townie in the end. But you still did not vote superbia. Sure, if you are town you did vote to kill tumble and not to save superbia but we can't analyze you assuming you are town from the start.
Tumble made up a reason to explain something he said previously. You could arguee maybe that a townie could do it, but no way can you say that it is townie
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On April 25 2016 05:55 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I even parsed SL's whole filter and still don't understand why he thinks Rels is scum.
Seems like his last scumgame tbh. ? he voted to save super day one. go reread the vote count you will get it. Among the people that day one vote favored scum super before he claimed. super just droped it at the most optrtunistic time and never changed. When rels voted tumble It was 2 votes for super 2 for tumble. Pretty suspicious dont you think?
When I voted tumble that was at the exact moment he admitted he couldn't explain with proof why he talked about a post that didn't exist. The vote count has nothing to do with it. It's in the thread
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On April 25 2016 06:02 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 06:01 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 05:55 justanothertownie wrote:On April 25 2016 05:53 Rels wrote:
The sl posts on me are not good find since I didn't vote to save superbia, I voted to lynch tumble. Once again, tumble and superbia were my two scumreads d1. Tumble was around before eod1. If he had been super townie, I would have been forced to vote my partner or find a shitty reason not to do that. If I was partner with superbia, I basically forced myself into a situation where if tumble is town and hadn't make a huge mistake eod1, I was in a bad situation. I would never do that in the first place.
Apart from that I agree sl is townie, but because he's playing his town meta which I know he has a hard time replicating This doesn't convince me. Tumble arguably WAS pretty townie in the end. But you still did not vote superbia. Sure, if you are town you did vote to kill tumble and not to save superbia but we can't analyze you assuming you are town from the start. Tumble made up a reason to explain something he said previously. You could arguee maybe that a townie could do it, but no way can you say that it is townie That happened like mid day. I am talking about his posting eod.
Well sl is arguing about the timing of 2-2 for my vote so it is important. And I think it was way later than mid day since i m sleeping at mid day and I don't think I voted during the first 24 hours
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On April 25 2016 06:03 sicklucker wrote:
tumble is never going to be someone people find really townie especially day one. Hes literally lynch bait so thats a terrible argument. Its like you wanted to distance from super without putting him in danger. standard stuff
It is not since my vote was motivated by a certain event happening. Youre saying my vote was motivated by the particular votecount being 2-2. I'm saying my vote was motivated by the proof that tumble lied about something he said. Why are you dismissing that ?
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On April 25 2016 06:05 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 06:00 Rels wrote:
Sl you asked me yesterday about tumble vote. I replied to you. Did you not see it or did you ignore it ? i saw it. it was ok but it was so late I dont really respect it
It was 15 min later
On April 24 2016 00:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 00:15 sicklucker wrote:On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or be super suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ? how do you find superbia fake claiming with tumble as second wagon? GB was the second wagon when superbia fakeclaimed. Let me find the post, might take me a long time on phone :p
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On April 25 2016 06:07 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:54 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 05:52 sicklucker wrote:On April 25 2016 01:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 24 2016 07:12 sicklucker wrote:
My votes not final but I doubt I will change it unless I see some damned shit in tumble or jats filter which I promise to read. That or we can lynch the probably more likely scum rels with me :D SL, tell me why Rels is scum. vote analyst and doing nothing after day 1. his day one looked town but he looked town in pyp too and I wasstill right when I lynched him there Read my fucking filter before repeating again and again I did nothing past d1 what did you do? it took you 72 hours to answer my question and you were not caught up
I don't know what question you're talking about. If it was this weekend I was not available since Friday evening. Even now I'm on my phone on a train.
I did a lot more than you, especially d3 where I reread part of d1 and a lot of filters to push the game forward
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On April 25 2016 06:12 sicklucker wrote:
Rels what im talking about is not that. im talking about when I first called you mafia becuase of your vote you didnt ever mention it
Bro you were answering MY question :p
So I will repeat it: you tried to tell me tumble and superbia s behaviour made them unlikely partners, I replied to that, what do you think of that reply ?
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On April 25 2016 06:14 sicklucker wrote:
shut up rels your the scum here. your the one whos answering qeustions this shits not gonna fly
You can go fuck yourself until you have answered me. Your non committal stance towards tumble is pretty suspicious
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Like you asked me a question:
On April 24 2016 00:15 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or be super suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ? how do you find superbia fake claiming with tumble as second wagon?
I answered it:
On April 24 2016 00:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 00:15 sicklucker wrote:On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or be super suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ? how do you find superbia fake claiming with tumble as second wagon? GB was the second wagon when superbia fakeclaimed. Let me find the post, might take me a long time on phone :p
Why are you not interested in what I had to say if you asked me directly this ?
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On April 25 2016 06:17 sicklucker wrote:
like jat this is why rels is not town. Hes asking me dumb qeustions making me look bad and not the fucking people up for lynch
Given you're not even reading what I say to you when I'm responding to you 15 minutes after you ask something, that describes you more than me
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On April 25 2016 06:19 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 06:17 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 06:14 sicklucker wrote:
shut up rels your the scum here. your the one whos answering qeustions this shits not gonna fly You can go fuck yourself until you have answered me. Your non committal stance towards tumble is pretty suspicious scum killed by sicklucker 1. scum killed by rels -1. ? why do you have the balls to question me as if im a suspect here
Because I want to solve and win this game
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On April 25 2016 06:22 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 06:20 Rels wrote:Like you asked me a question: On April 24 2016 00:15 sicklucker wrote:On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or bewhaer suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ? how do you find superbia fake claiming with tumble as second wagon? I answered it: On April 24 2016 00:33 Rels wrote:On April 24 2016 00:15 sicklucker wrote:On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or be super suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ? how do you find superbia fake claiming with tumble as second wagon? GB was the second wagon when superbia fakeclaimed. Let me find the post, might take me a long time on phone :p Why are you not interested in what I had to say if you asked me directly this ? I planned to go read it so im ignoring it.. happy?
So now that you've read it (see my filter, the next post after the one quoted here for the "GB was the second wagon" thing), what do you think about tit ? Do you still think "superbia claiming with tumble as second wagon" is still true ?
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This is the post in question
On April 22 2016 00:54 Rels wrote:Leaving work soon, will be on my phone all evening so no big post but I'll be around to react. I'm OK with Tumble / Onegu / JAS. Tumble is waaaay more likely to be scum though. The thing gumshoe bought up about Superbia & him being suicidal D1 doesn't apply for a few reasons: 1. Superbia was RB. Scum's #1 priority is to let him live. Superbia claiming to live over Tumble makes sense. 2. Tumble NEVER voted Superbia, even though he was "scumreading" him, to save his life; but he voted GB, who he had no real opinion on. 3. Reason 1 is true, but it's not even what happened. Here is the sequence of events: Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Might just vote GB on principle though. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. Not really. Too many people who are just not invested in this game. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:
I am sick and tired of having to decide day1 lynches. Voted GB, do what you want. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
fuck it, I'm staying course on superbia. His rsoultin/gb read post was completely non-sensical, he's taking a lot of weird stances based on literal things without trying to diagnose what may be behind it (look at his thing about fazer. Unless fazer is a good/experienced player it's unlikely he'd admit to just sheeping people as mafia).
I think it's a good lynch. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. Maybe I will. During the minutes before Superbia's fakeclaim, it was quite evident that the fight evolved into Superbia vs GB, not Superbia vs Tumble. So he didn't killed Tumble by claiming, like gumshoe said. Actually it is the opposite. He didn't fakeclaim as long it was a "Tumble vs Superbia" fight, but as soon as it was "GB vs Superbia", he fakeclaimed.
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On April 25 2016 06:26 sicklucker wrote:
but do you guys wanna know a good reason why onegus mafia to me right now? because only one person seems willing to join his wagon right now. If theres two mafia I expect 3 votes on onegu.
This is pretty true. Onegu has been pretty shit and is an easy mislynch if he is not scum.
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On April 25 2016 06:27 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 06:24 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 06:22 sicklucker wrote:On April 25 2016 06:20 Rels wrote:Like you asked me a question: On April 24 2016 00:15 sicklucker wrote:On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or bewhaer suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ? how do you find superbia fake claiming with tumble as second wagon? I answered it: On April 24 2016 00:33 Rels wrote:On April 24 2016 00:15 sicklucker wrote:On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or be super suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ? how do you find superbia fake claiming with tumble as second wagon? GB was the second wagon when superbia fakeclaimed. Let me find the post, might take me a long time on phone :p Why are you not interested in what I had to say if you asked me directly this ? I planned to go read it so im ignoring it.. happy? So now that you've read it (see my filter, the next post after the one quoted here for the "GB was the second wagon" thing), what do you think about tit ? Do you still think "superbia claiming with tumble as second wagon" is still true ? im not trusting you over a confirmed town man... So no im not talking about it right now. but even if tumble was a close third wagon its still a pretty bad thing for super to do
Motherfucker I do not want you to say "gumshoe is right" or "Rels is right", I want you to read eod1, or at least my post, on it and gumshoe s, and tell what you think. I don't understand why you think you are picking sides here. Stop deferring your opinion to others and say your own
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On April 25 2016 06:29 sicklucker wrote:
rels but since your here right now and im distrated as fuck ill read later so lets talk about something else. What alignment do you think onegu is because I dont acualy know your reads in this game...
Who do you want to vote today? who is the mafia team?
how town is jat from 0-100%? I asked this question yesterday
Onegu / tumble is my mafia team. As I said I will reread the game tomorrow since I had no time since eod3. You will have definitive reads then.
Jat is pretty townie. If he's scum he faked a good interaction with superbia d1 we are almost sure to lose. I have a hard time thinking about that possibility cause that would mean i would have to fight very hard to get him lynched and I don't think I would succeed :X
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On April 25 2016 06:33 sicklucker wrote:
Jat obi just came out and said he suspects me of thinking im mafia. is it just a coincidence rels starts attacking me? obi + 2 mafia votes is three votes on me. Really only one or two towns need to vote wrong for maiai to lose
Lol don't turn this around, you asked a question about superbia / tumble, I answered you, now I want to know your thoughts on it and you don't want to answer
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I'm arriving to Paris so no more posts for quote a while, see you when I arrive home
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Because:
On April 24 2016 17:15 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 06:59 justanothertownie wrote:
So, in the sadly rather unlikely case I die:
Just don't rule anyone out because he "played a good game" or some shit. I really don't think gumshoe is mafia but I could be wrong don't just ignore everything people might bring up. Would be a very very impressive scumgame for him though. Seems unlikely.
SL needs to be reevaluated depending on who really is the medic.
Rels has been less invested recently methinks. Don't sleep on him.
Onegu/Tumble still look really bad to me though. Well ofc I'm at a family reunion centered around my 102 years old great grandmother, I had no time to play since Friday evening. I don't know how you can say I was not invested before that, and in 24 hours when I'm back to work I'll be rereading and solving the game.
On April 24 2016 17:17 Rels wrote:
Gumshoe being doc means we're at LYLO. Everyone should reevaluate and discuss about it. We do not have any safety net anymore.
My obvious team is onegu / tumble but I will reread the game to see if I catch something else.
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On April 25 2016 06:52 sicklucker wrote:
YOU HAVE ALOT OF TIME to waste on me. so hard to vote?
you want tumble gone in all worlds no exucse not to vote him and push. because the person who gets voted first is most often the guy people kill
but instead you waste all your precious time talking about me.... and if im mafia im always with tumbleweed so its a complete waste of time for someone who has no time...
What precious time ? Apparently you're have the attention span of a child. Here I'll dumb it down for you:
1. Rels wants reread lot of stuff before vote and push people
2. Rels will do that in 12 hours cause read stuff on phone on a train bothersome
3. Rels is still around to discuss what is happening currently in thread
4. SL comes in thread and attacks Rels:
On April 25 2016 05:52 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 01:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 24 2016 07:12 sicklucker wrote:
My votes not final but I doubt I will change it unless I see some damned shit in tumble or jats filter which I promise to read. That or we can lynch the probably more likely scum rels with me :D SL, tell me why Rels is scum. vote analyst and doing nothing after day 1. his day one looked town but he looked town in pyp too and I wasstill right when I lynched him there
5. Rels talks to SL while hes on train
And if you want to arguee that I could use the time spent here filterdiving, you can go fuck yourself because (1) filter diving on a phone with network loss is horrible and (2) you can't even read and react to a single post of mine when I assume you're not on a phone on a train.
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Now:
On April 25 2016 06:20 Rels wrote:Like you asked me a question: Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 00:15 sicklucker wrote:On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or be super suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ? how do you find superbia fake claiming with tumble as second wagon? I answered it: Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 00:33 Rels wrote:On April 24 2016 00:15 sicklucker wrote:On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or be super suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ? how do you find superbia fake claiming with tumble as second wagon? GB was the second wagon when superbia fakeclaimed. Let me find the post, might take me a long time on phone :p Why are you not interested in what I had to say if you asked me directly this ?
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On April 25 2016 06:41 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 06:38 justanothertownie wrote:On April 25 2016 06:35 sicklucker wrote:On April 25 2016 06:32 justanothertownie wrote:On April 25 2016 06:31 sicklucker wrote:On April 25 2016 06:30 justanothertownie wrote:On April 25 2016 06:28 justanothertownie wrote:On April 25 2016 06:26 sicklucker wrote:
but do you guys wanna know a good reason why onegus mafia to me right now? because only one person seems willing to join his wagon right now. If theres two mafia I expect 3 votes on onegu.
Not true. Your vote is on him. Tumble voted him. Obi and I both said he would be our lynch for now. So in essence the only person who could possibly be unwilling to join Onegus wagon besides Onegu is Rels. ya which is who I think his partner is hum. but no ones actually voted people are keeping their options open. obi is town so he does not count in this. 3 of the people who could be mafia have not voted The day isn't even half over. So far I read 1 of the 4 peoples filter. Why the fuck would I vote right now? well you had 36 hours at least to think about it since shape flipped town. I voted. I could change my vote. Its not like you vote and you have to stay on your vote? that sounds like an excuse You defeated your own argument. Indeed you can change your vote at any point in time so why is it any better to vote right now? The answer is: it doesn't matter at all. I see what your saying but its like saying why do we lynch someone on day 1? you have to do things to get reads
So you can see why people would wait to read stuff before voting.
On April 25 2016 06:52 sicklucker wrote:
YOU HAVE ALOT OF TIME to waste on me. so hard to vote?
you want tumble gone in all worlds no exucse not to vote him and push. because the person who gets voted first is most often the guy people kill
but instead you waste all your precious time talking about me.... and if im mafia im always with tumbleweed so its a complete waste of time for someone who has no time...
But here you cannot see why people would wait to read stuff before voting anymore.
I don't even think it's alignment indicaitve, I think you believe you got me on "Rels is not committing" as either alignment. Stop being stubborn over something so stupid.
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TLDR you're annoying and wrong. Me going to the south of france and not being home until right now is not alingmnet indicative. Me wanting to reread stuff before pushing / voting is town indicative but I could easily fake it. Now answer the question asked above.
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Quick please I'm super tired and I've gotta sleep, and if I do that right now you're once again going to say I'm inactive just because I'm european based.
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And I don't want you to hide behind "I won't believe you over a confirmed town" once again. Read and say what you think without caring who think what. The end.
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JAT am I right dismissing SL stupidness / stuborness as NAI ?
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On April 25 2016 07:46 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 07:41 Rels wrote:
JAT am I right dismissing SL stupidness / stuborness as NAI ? stop looking for outs make up your own mind
You're the one not making up your own mind. Reading my post, do you still think Superiba fakeclaiming at deadline makes Tumble an unlikely partner ? And don't say "I'm siding with conf town", read and think for yourself.
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On April 25 2016 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 07:41 Rels wrote:
JAT am I right dismissing SL stupidness / stuborness as NAI ? Let's put it this way: From your perspective as town there are 2 mafia in a pool of 3 people. Onegu/Tumble/SL You have a 66,7 % chance to hit mafia at random. You should not dismiss anything those 3 people say. But to answer the question: Yes, in general SL can be stupid and stubborn as either alignment. It depends on what exactly you are talking about. Onegu voted Tumble yesterday. Why would he be bussing? Does he think he can win in a final 4 against SL and you? Tumble also voted Onegu today which admittedly doesn't mean that much.
I will reread exactly what happened tomorrow. In general, if it's really Onegu / Tumble, I think it's not weird that Onegu bused since they are the most likely lynches. Each had a real shot to be lynched EOD3 so it could be distancing.
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On April 25 2016 07:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 07:47 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 07:46 sicklucker wrote:On April 25 2016 07:41 Rels wrote:
JAT am I right dismissing SL stupidness / stuborness as NAI ? stop looking for outs make up your own mind You're the one not making up your own mind. Reading my post, do you still think Superiba fakeclaiming at deadline makes Tumble an unlikely partner ? And don't say "I'm siding with conf town", read and think for yourself. if i were to say now yes. that might change
Why ? Do you not agree GB was the second wagon EOD1, or is it another reason ?
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On April 25 2016 07:53 sicklucker wrote:
the wagons were very close regardless of who was in second place
Gumshoe said the same thing -_- I cannot understand how anyone can think Tumble had a very high chance to be lynched at the exact time of the fakeclaim.
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On April 25 2016 07:55 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 23:16 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 23:14 rsoultin wrote:+ Show Spoiler +No puedo decidir si me gusta matar SL o no...ayúdame ;o; El espacio entre su primera entrada y las otras era tan larga pero no sé como interpretar su lista de deseos sobre los jugadores :/ I can't decide whether or not I want to lynch SL...help me ;o; The time between his first post and the rest was pretty long but I don't know how to interpret that list of who he does and doesn't want to play with :/ SL is easy to read after a few days. Not a good D1 lynch. wheres this very easy to make read tbh. this post was the only post of yours i hated day one
I townread you since somewhere around D2 I think. What I meant by that post is that you have a way of posting when you find something as town that you don't really do as scum. You did it a few times this game I think, I will see during my reread if it's likely you faked them or not. You (1) scumreading me when I'm obv town and (2) not answering a goddamn question and being super stupid got me angry but as I mentioned above I don't think it's alignment indicative.
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Alright going to sleep bros, good night and see you tomorrow (= happy to see you less stubborn SL, try to read & think more before posting 'cause it's really annoying to see you arguing that I should be filter diving instead of discussing on a train, or mindlessly voting / pushing someone before taking the time to reread
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On April 25 2016 08:11 sicklucker wrote:WEIRD but i alrdy know onegu is mafai w/e whos the other one super?
On April 25 2016 08:12 sicklucker wrote:Like tbh that post form spuper is almost as good as a slip onegu mafia. Who here would town read onegu if they rolled scum? + Show Spoiler +no one here would because onegu is such an easy lynch. Super townreading onegu probably just makes him mafia
This is an extremely good point.
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On April 25 2016 08:18 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I hope whoever our vig is targets people like Onegu and Fazers. not with onegu aparently
On April 25 2016 08:30 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 04:41 Rels wrote:
I'm OK to lynch:
Tumble for entering the thread late with a non believable excuse and being obsessed with rsoul, which would be the perfect lynch for mafia.
Superbia for being so his spree of posting reads with no explanation and not pushing anything. I think town!Superbia is more focused than that, like he was in his Palmar post actually, but the reasonning in his Palmar post is bad.
Maybe GB for faking activity when actually he is useless, needs to read his filter.
Maybe JAS for kinda the same thing, needs to read his filter.
These needs to be vigd:
Frizer
Onegu
I don't townread rsoul but I don't understand why she is scum. rels is never with tumble but I already thought that. No way he would bus both of them. Altho i think its perfectly reasonable he might bus super considering how much of a train wreck he was going after palmar and super usualy being able to shake off lynches
SL why is JAT "not with Onegu" here, but I don't get that when I say the same thing in the post you quoted ? And I'm pretty sure I called for an Onegu shot during the night too.
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On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though. What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT
This doesn't make any sense.
1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ?
2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ?
3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ?
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On April 25 2016 14:14 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 14:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 14:11 Onegu wrote:
I dont see a team without tumble on it. I dont think SL/Rels is a team. And I think I am still fine sheeping rsoultin here.
##Vote: Tumblewood Go on. Go on what? You are confirmed town, Jat is confirmed to me and I will never vote him, I am town. That leaves SL, Rels, Tumble. I dont think SL and Rels are a team that busses each other yesterday as that serves no purpose for mafia when if they were a team pushing me and a tumble would be much more likely than bussing so I really dont see them as a mafia team.
You're using a lot of excuses to mechanically play and not push real stuff. Like here, you're on the Tumble wagon, but for no reason that makes him scum. That screams "bus" TBH.
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Onegu if you're town you are the most useless player ever. And the inevitable loss is on you.
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Alright I'm caught up, gonna reread the game during my lunch break.
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On April 15 2016 17:42 Palmar wrote:
I am happy with my vote. Rsoultin has 81% chance of flipping mafia here.
Forgot at which point Palmar was useless D1. Maybe Superbia and his team really thought they had a chance at getting him mislynched D1.
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On April 15 2016 19:06 Rels wrote:
Onegu being happy might indicate scum because of meta.
On April 15 2016 19:15 sicklucker wrote:
Ya I saw onegu smiling irl when I voted him
Pro reads right there.
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On April 16 2016 00:21 Palmar wrote:
I'm on page 10 but jat is town and rsoultin is mafia and I think we should murder her.
On April 16 2016 00:23 justanothertownie wrote:
Not even terribly opposed to that tbh.
Would even policy lynch her for the continued spanish thing.
SL talked about a "OK to lynch rsoul" thing linking Superbia, Onegu & Tumble a few pages back. I'm reading the game and I didn't see any of it at the moment, so it must have happened after these two posts from Palmar and JAT. It's very possible the scumteam saw Palmar & JAT being kinda OK with a rsoul lynch and trying to run with it.
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On April 25 2016 08:14 sicklucker wrote:now we have all 3 of super tumble and onegu pushing rstoul. hum
Talking about that post. I'll see if that checks out or not.
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On April 16 2016 00:31 Palmar wrote:
your mom is bad. the end
The fact that this guy was killed N1 over everyone else is beyond me. The medic dodge was strong
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On April 16 2016 08:35 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 17:42 Palmar wrote:
I am happy with my vote. Rsoultin has 81% chance of flipping mafia here. like wut this is after 3 posts. Maybe palmar just saw 3 town votes and decided to make up reasons to scum read her later lol
SL actually participated in this "Palmar might be a good lynch for something completely NAI" madness
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On April 16 2016 14:02 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 12:48 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2016 12:40 sicklucker wrote:
I dont lynch new players day one its bad etiquette lynching superbia so that's not a problem ^^ unless you have an argument for onegu that isn't just policy? i think this is an okay lynch at the very least we need to actually start discussing one cause we can't keep pretending that deadline will never come if we just ignore the game -_- can we lynch them both? oh wait we can its called a vigalanty
SL wanting to lynch both Superbia & Onegu is pretty unlikely though. So unless Onegu is not scum, SL is unlikely scum. Or he hardbused from the beginning.
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Oh yeah this is the first strong scum indicator for Tumble.
On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul.
On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap.
On April 16 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
where I'm at right now:
null
most people
don't want to lynch
gumshoe because innocent town
rels because actually trying
ows because actually trying
palmar because in Devil I lynched him day 1 and I never got to play with him
could lynch today
rsoul because all her answers are kind of meh
superbia because AFK; prefer vig shot
The guy is scumreading Superbia the most. BUT:
1 - he didn't vote him EOD1 to save himself
2 - he actually SCUMREAD rsoultin and attacked her for her read on Superbia, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE THE SAME READ, IE Superbia scum for not being active
Distancing with your partner without commiting to a vote and defending him at the same time right there.
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On April 16 2016 21:26 Superbia wrote:
Onegu prob town based on one sample.
SL is right that this read makes no sense if Onegu is town. Onegu is a townie that you want mislynched, not pocketed. Partner indicator right there.
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On April 25 2016 19:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 00:21 Palmar wrote:
I'm on page 10 but jat is town and rsoultin is mafia and I think we should murder her. Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 00:23 justanothertownie wrote:
Not even terribly opposed to that tbh.
Would even policy lynch her for the continued spanish thing. SL talked about a "OK to lynch rsoul" thing linking Superbia, Onegu & Tumble a few pages back. I'm reading the game and I didn't see any of it at the moment, so it must have happened after these two posts from Palmar and JAT. It's very possible the scumteam saw Palmar & JAT being kinda OK with a rsoul lynch and trying to run with it.
Onegu never actually scumread rsoul for real. It was always a joke. He never actually gave a serious read on rsoul I think, which is pretty suspicious actually. He's always joking with her, so I suppose it means he townreads her all game, when he is apparently always wary of her when he's town.
On the other hand, Tumble & Superbia both scumread rsoul at some point D1, and both after Palmar screaming "rsoul scum" and JAT saying "I'm kinda OK with her lynch".
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LOL JAT it was you that said "Tumble slipped around midday and was townie after that" right ? It was actually less than 2 hours before deadline.
rsoul got Tumble to slip about a post that didn't exist:
On April 17 2016 05:12 rsoultin wrote:
no shut up guys seriously shut up lolol ><
tumble just said he wanted to force me to take a stance on someone based on a post i HADN'T EVEN POSTED YET
I also pressured him to see if he was talking about another post or if he really slipped:
On April 17 2016 05:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:28 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your " OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though. So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too. It is actually not impossible at all. The question is how likely it is. But let's see his defense. It's true that it is not impossible, fucking greymist did it once. But it is extremely unlikely. Townie CAN forget the reason they make a post, creating a false one is super unlikely though. Especially here, he clearly refers to a particular post that apparently doesn't exist. But yeah maybe he refers to something else and this is not happening actually.
He admited the post didn't exist, and by extension that the reason he gave to explain his posting was made up:
On April 17 2016 05:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:37 Tumblewood wrote:
ok i am messing up in every way imaginable this game
i blame it on phoneposting and not rereading
and on trying to talk about things that happened a day ago that i don't really remember Not believable. ##Vote Tumblewood
It was 1h30 before deadline. So all of you saying "Rels' vote was not justified" or "Rels' vote was midday, Tumble was townie after that", read before posting BS.
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On April 17 2016 07:21 justanothertownie wrote:
Maybe the vig should shoot SL instead. Wouldn't be opposed to this at all.
Why did you want the vig to shoot SL instead of the useless Onegu / Fazers, like you said previously ?
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On April 17 2016 21:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 12:57 rsoultin wrote:reminder to self: verify the sl post palmar's EoD actually looks pretty decent to me after a review of his filter On April 17 2016 07:14 Fazers wrote:On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. Vig shoot this guy. SECONDED. ^ this from the guy who doesn't know what to do yada yada is just meh. looks overdone to me tbh. fazers, we don't get hints. some sites might. we don't. if i'm around long enough + Show Spoiler +and i urge those of you still in the game to do so if i'm not i will push for your lynch before mylo/lylo if you continue to refuse to participate it's not about being right. i've said this several times to you. it's about giving us something to read you by. i'd like your best guesses at alignments and why before the night is over bueno...that's it for tonight i think. reads post later after some more digging Yeah, the Fazer guy needs to put out content asap. He has his flip, now it is time to do work. Maybe he should die in the night otherwise. Onegu is also still a good shot though. Depending on some things shape may be scum and and I give super a chance of at least 50 % to be mafia aswell.
NVM you actually called for Fazer / Onegu after that.
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On April 17 2016 23:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 21:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 17 2016 21:17 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 12:57 rsoultin wrote:reminder to self: verify the sl post palmar's EoD actually looks pretty decent to me after a review of his filter On April 17 2016 07:14 Fazers wrote:On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. Vig shoot this guy. SECONDED. ^ this from the guy who doesn't know what to do yada yada is just meh. looks overdone to me tbh. fazers, we don't get hints. some sites might. we don't. if i'm around long enough + Show Spoiler +and i urge those of you still in the game to do so if i'm not i will push for your lynch before mylo/lylo if you continue to refuse to participate it's not about being right. i've said this several times to you. it's about giving us something to read you by. i'd like your best guesses at alignments and why before the night is over bueno...that's it for tonight i think. reads post later after some more digging Yeah, the Fazer guy needs to put out content asap. He has his flip, now it is time to do work. Maybe he should die in the night otherwise. Onegu is also still a good shot though. Depending on some things shape may be scum and and I give super a chance of at least 50 % to be mafia aswell. I pretty much agree with all of this. Me too. Onegu or Fazerz needs to die. Superbia's alignment will be proven one way or another before the end of the game. Don't have any time today so hopefully I'm still alive tomorrow
I knew I also called for these shots.
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On April 18 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. You all jumped on him for this post. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. Vig shoot this guy. You're honestly the dumbest town player ever. But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip.
This is never a scumslip. The only way it is a scumslip is if Onegu already knew Superbia was scum and used this to be right without finding arguments that makes Superbia actually scum. Like he's doing with Tumble right now BTW, scumreading Tumble because "SL & Rels are not together" instead of because "Tumble is scum for X Y and Z".
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On April 18 2016 05:37 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 05:23 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 05:12 Tumblewood wrote:On April 18 2016 04:25 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 04:06 Tumblewood wrote:On April 18 2016 03:24 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 12:47 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2016 06:51 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 06:46 rsoultin wrote:
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okay so let's play a game here
you want me to treat you as confirmed town until your flip, then i want you to treat me as confirmed town as well
give me your other reads, with reasoning, and what questions you want me to answer that i've asked you for like 5 times already if you really want me to answer them jat is town jas is ??? but should be more apparent after he says who he is; giving him BotD superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one)palmar is null because he's not really out of his comfort zone i want to call rels and gumshoe scummy but that's mostly omgus sl is a 49 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saaying one slightly scummy thing gb is a 50 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothingonegu is a 51 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing of value ows is town because i like how he continued to townread me fazers is scummy but also new so maybe just a scrub tbh my reads are all based on spidey senses right now @tumble...super maybe scum=no vote as alternate wagon...gb exactly null=vote as alternate wagon care to explain? I was afraid of voting Superbia and him flipping green (not as a likelihood thing, but if he did I forecast my own mislynch for the next day). GB lynch happened at a point where several more townies had come out and defended me and attacked Superbia, so it felt, in a way, less risky. -squints at- i don't really understand this explanation what is the difference between you being lynched d1 or d2? until gb ninja-voted he was prob not getting lynched over super, yet you were still voting yourself because you were worried you'd be lynched d2 if super flipped town? so d1 is okay but not d2? explain the bolded like i'm 5. what is the significance of when the gb lynch happened and how was that less risky? Because at that point it was clear that voting a counterwagon was the difference between dying and surviving instead of dying d1 and dying d2.Of course, it turned out GB would have died without my help, but it still seemed up in the air at the time. why? when superbia was the counterwagon i thought i would for sure be lynched at some point when gb was the counterwagon it became apparent that maybe i wouldn't be lynched okay, so honestly, you're just really confusing me here. like you're not making sense and my first instinct is that should be scum but i think even scum would make more sense here, so i must just not be understanding @.@ it's as simple as...the wagons are between super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote super then the wagons are between gb, super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote one of them why would your scumread flipping town be worse than your null read flipping town? nononono when super was the counterwagon it wasn't "if i want to live i need to vote super", it was "if i don't vote super i die d1 if i vote super i die d2" then everyone left super for gb and people simultaneously said that i was town, so it became "if i don't vote gb i die d1 if i vote gb i don't die" like i got so entrenched in thinking i was going to die that i didn't even see superbia as a survival wagon, just a delay death wagon
This doesn't make any sense. You scumread Superbia and was null on GB. But you didn't vote Superbia to save yourself because "you would die D2 anyway if Superbia was lynched", but you voted GB to save yourself because "you wouldn't die D2 automatically if GB was lynched".
I cannot even comprehend what you are trying to say. This logic is so twisted.
I'm calling BS on this.
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On April 18 2016 06:14 Tumblewood wrote:
where did the gb read come from though
there was no scumread at all until 5 minutes before deadline
Tumble once again attacking rsoultin, this time for something completely false since rsoul periodically talked about GB during the whole D1. It's not like he couldn't check that fact, this is during N1, he has all the time he wants to fact check his accusation.
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On April 18 2016 07:04 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 07:03 gumshoe wrote:
I think I know what happened here, scum chose not to roll block super as he announced he was shooting palmer, so that means super is probs town vig / : or the actual vig shot the same target (more likely supers vig, seriously) o.0 um...if scum shot fazers scum is retarded we should start looking for the stupidest players in the game immediately
LOL I FOUND THE ORIGIN OF THE "SCUMTEAM IS DUMB" GUMSHOE THEORY
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On April 25 2016 20:23 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 20:08 Rels wrote:On April 18 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. You all jumped on him for this post. On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. Vig shoot this guy. You're honestly the dumbest town player ever. But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip. This is never a scumslip. The only way it is a scumslip is if Onegu already knew Superbia was scum and used this to be right without finding arguments that makes Superbia actually scum. Like he's doing with Tumble right now BTW, scumreading Tumble because "SL & Rels are not together" instead of because "Tumble is scum for X Y and Z". Guess you dont know how to find scumslips then because that was 100% a scumslip. And I now believe you are Tumbles partner. Thanks for letting me figure out the game. Also you saying if I am town its my fault. You can go to hell. If you are town dont try to put all the blame on one player but it sounds like you are just making a cop out.
Explain exactly how is this a scumslip ? The quote is "You're honestly the dumbest town player ever." If Superbia is scum it's maybe a "JAT town spew" slip. If he's town it means he hard townreads JAT like a lot of people this game and is angry at him. It's impossible to know.
And a copout from what exactly ? I've been calling for Tumble / Onegu for quite some time. Sry if it hurts but you're on a GB-level performance if you're town. You are barely playing, and most of times only when you need it to not be killed.
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Talking about GB's performance this particular game BTW, not as a whole.
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On April 25 2016 20:40 Onegu wrote:
He isnt making a read. He straight up says he is town. Then he realized it and corrected it in the very next post. The fact that he corrected himself is what really shows it was a slip.
And dont worry about playing.
Onegu out
Blame me all you want.
This is so retarded that you are still basing your read on Superbia off this when there were a lot of other reasons Superbia was scum. I mean, he was so obv scum that he died without even being CCd.
And fucking martyring won't save you.
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On April 19 2016 22:55 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 22:50 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 22:47 Onegu wrote:On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. Vig shoot this guy. You're honestly the dumbest town player ever. Here he scumslips that JAT is town. Frankly, no. At this point he has already claimed so he knows he will die before the end of the game. Anything at all he said after his claim is WIFOM, and actually he probably tried to put his team in a better position for after he's dead, like Kurumi did last game. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. This is his post right before. Like and all he said was he was a PR before that but wouldnt say what it was then he made that post where he claims vt. So no it does matter... If sub flips scum I will never vote JAT.
LOL JAT has been town spewed by both Onegu and Superbia. No way JAT is partner with the both of them.
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On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote:
also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol)
On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
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Now that I think of it, every killed town had one hard scumread in mind.
Palmar => Superbia
rsoul => Tumble
gumshoe => Onegu
The NKs are solving the game for us. Yeah I know gumshoe scumread me quite a lot too, but Onegu was his main target.
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Gotta stop for now but I've seen enough to make up my mind unless something drastic happens.
JAT is town because he's super townie and he has been town spewed by both Superbia & Onegu, assuming Onegu flips scum.
SL is town because he attacked both Onegu and Superbia D1, so unless Onegu is not scum it's unlikely he's partners with us both. He voted Superbia D1 and AFKd his vote on him. He was AFK during portions of the game but when he played he had this style of posting quick successions of posts that he has a hard time replicating as scum. He's implicated to solving the game when he usually doesn't care enough to play a lot as scum.
Onegu is scum because he's super useless. He scumread Superbia and said he would sheep Palmar D1 while ultimately wasting his vote. He never commited to a read on rsoul who he usually is super wary off but wasted his time joking with her instead. He's hiding his reads behind "mechanical" stuff like "Superbia is scum because scumslip" or "Tumble is scum because Rels & SL are not partners" in order to not commit to actually scumreading his partner. Superbia townreads him when he had no reason to and when Onegu is an easy mislynch to push. He scumreads me but he has no reason to scumread me apart from "coping out", whatever that means.
Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense.
In addition, the three NKs points at this conclusion, it looks like they all chose a target each night: N1 Superbia, N2 Tumble, N3 Onegu.
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On April 25 2016 21:12 sicklucker wrote:
quote where you said to vig onegu
D1:
On April 17 2016 04:41 Rels wrote:
I'm OK to lynch:
Tumble for entering the thread late with a non believable excuse and being obsessed with rsoul, which would be the perfect lynch for mafia.
Superbia for being so his spree of posting reads with no explanation and not pushing anything. I think town!Superbia is more focused than that, like he was in his Palmar post actually, but the reasonning in his Palmar post is bad.
Maybe GB for faking activity when actually he is useless, needs to read his filter.
Maybe JAS for kinda the same thing, needs to read his filter.
These needs to be vigd:
Frizer
Onegu
I don't townread rsoul but I don't understand why she is scum.
N1:
On April 17 2016 23:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 21:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 17 2016 21:17 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 12:57 rsoultin wrote:reminder to self: verify the sl post palmar's EoD actually looks pretty decent to me after a review of his filter On April 17 2016 07:14 Fazers wrote:On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW.. Vig shoot this guy. SECONDED. ^ this from the guy who doesn't know what to do yada yada is just meh. looks overdone to me tbh. fazers, we don't get hints. some sites might. we don't. if i'm around long enough + Show Spoiler +and i urge those of you still in the game to do so if i'm not i will push for your lynch before mylo/lylo if you continue to refuse to participate it's not about being right. i've said this several times to you. it's about giving us something to read you by. i'd like your best guesses at alignments and why before the night is over bueno...that's it for tonight i think. reads post later after some more digging Yeah, the Fazer guy needs to put out content asap. He has his flip, now it is time to do work. Maybe he should die in the night otherwise. Onegu is also still a good shot though. Depending on some things shape may be scum and and I give super a chance of at least 50 % to be mafia aswell. I pretty much agree with all of this. Me too. Onegu or Fazerz needs to die. Superbia's alignment will be proven one way or another before the end of the game. Don't have any time today so hopefully I'm still alive tomorrow
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SL if you're scum there, WP because it's unlikely I change my mind. Well, it would also be Onegu's fault for being terrible but I don't think you've ever reread a game as scum ? At least that's something I can't imagine you doing when you have a hard time caring as scum.
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On April 25 2016 23:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't really see how I don't vote Onegu here if he's just going to be like this.
I guess that makes this simple.
Yeah.
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On April 25 2016 23:21 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:
SL if you're scum there, WP because it's unlikely I change my mind. Well, it would also be Onegu's fault for being terrible but I don't think you've ever reread a game as scum ? At least that's something I can't imagine you doing when you have a hard time caring as scum. Shouldn't tumble be the saver bet from your perspective though? I mean it seems like he would has a way bigger chance to be with SL, no? Are you that sure that both of your reads are right?
I'm pretty sure both of my reads are right. Tumble is the safer lynch but given other people's stances on this lynch I don't really care to fight for Tumble over Onegu when I'm pretty sure they are both scums.
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On April 25 2016 23:29 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, if Onegu is town we lose no matter what. Even if tumble is mafia and we lynch him today Onegu will never manage not to get mislynched the next day like this.
Exactly.
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On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though. What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you.
1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot.
2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline:
On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu.
3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that.
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On April 25 2016 23:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 23:27 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 23:21 justanothertownie wrote:On April 25 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:
SL if you're scum there, WP because it's unlikely I change my mind. Well, it would also be Onegu's fault for being terrible but I don't think you've ever reread a game as scum ? At least that's something I can't imagine you doing when you have a hard time caring as scum. Shouldn't tumble be the saver bet from your perspective though? I mean it seems like he would has a way bigger chance to be with SL, no? Are you that sure that both of your reads are right? I'm pretty sure both of my reads are right. Tumble is the safer lynch but given other people's stances on this lynch I don't really care to fight for Tumble over Onegu when I'm pretty sure they are both scums. You really should care though. And in your whole analysis there is actually 0 evaluation of the votecounts. How uncharacteristic and sloppy for you.
You're right, I thought being absolved of responsability would be OK is we lost but I do want to win. Onegu is scummier and scummier the more he posts though. FTM I think they are both scums.
The vote thing is not true. Both Onegu and Tumble are scums partly because of their vote D1. D3 votes do not prove anything; from a D3 vote point of view, both of you and SL could be scum with both Onegu & Tumble, and Onegu bused Tumble if they are both scums.
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On April 25 2016 23:50 Onegu wrote:
Also we have had 3 lynches.
Every time we lynched town guess who the counter wagon was and yet we arent voting him today.
D1 Tumble was not a counter wagon.
D2 was an universal wagon on Superbia.
This argument is pretty bad.
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On April 25 2016 23:56 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 23:54 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 23:50 Onegu wrote:
Also we have had 3 lynches.
Every time we lynched town guess who the counter wagon was and yet we arent voting him today. D1 Tumble was not a counter wagon. D2 was an universal wagon on Superbia. This argument is pretty bad. Yes he was he had the second most votes on him with sub. They both got 3 then they both jumped on GB to ensure his lynch.
First, at the end of the day, Suerpbia was almost lynched, fakeclaimed, then GB got lynched. Maybe Tumble was second in vote at EOD but he was not in danger to being lynched at the very end.
Second, being a counterwagon doesn't make someone scum.
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On April 26 2016 00:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 23:52 justanothertownie wrote:On April 25 2016 23:50 Onegu wrote:
Also we have had 3 lynches.
Every time we lynched town guess who the counter wagon was and yet we arent voting him today. I don't think day1 really counts in that regard. Sure it does. It was 3 votes on Sub and tumble. Then Sub and Tumble go on GB. And this is important because tumble kinda blames jat for swiching and then switches to GB himself when he was scum reading Sub. He scum read SUB but didnt vote him, he votes for someone who he didnt have a read on.
On the other hand this is true. But it's been repeated so many times since D2 that everybody is aware of that.
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Onegu why did you waste your vote D1 ?
Why did you say you would sheep Palmar and then did nothing ?
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On April 26 2016 00:18 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 00:18 Rels wrote:
Onegu why did you waste your vote D1 ?
Why did you say you would sheep Palmar and then did nothing ? Because I wasnt there. I was sick, I wasnt around to change it.
Given what I know I'm pretty sure this is true and NAI. Sry for you bro
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Alright I'm leaving work. We'll see what Onegu has done when I come back but if that is all, he can die.
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On April 26 2016 01:54 justanothertownie wrote:Superbia filter dive: People said this is partner indicative: It's not. Not at all. Mafialikes to townread lynchbait early day1. They generally do not like to townread buddies who look like shit. Would super do this to a buddy?
Maybe. This townread really comes from nowhere, and there is no scum motivation to townread someone like Onegu especially when he didn't do anything.
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On April 26 2016 01:56 justanothertownie wrote:
I love how invested tumble is in this LYLO though.
Well either his partner is dying or a mislynch is happening. In the first case he does not have the towncred to change the lynch, in the other he doesn't need to do anything.
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On April 26 2016 03:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 02:59 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 01:56 justanothertownie wrote:
I love how invested tumble is in this LYLO though. Well either his partner is dying or a mislynch is happening. In the first case he does not have the towncred to change the lynch, in the other he doesn't need to do anything. Thank you for this very helpful and deep analysis. If tumble is mafia he is probably with SL btw.
I have a hard time seeing SL as scum over Onegu.
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On April 26 2016 03:02 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm trying to post between classes here
This next hour is the longest time I'll have until after deadline
This is pretty opportunistic, your last post is 3 hours ago and it's right after two people have discussed maybe switching to you.
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On April 26 2016 03:05 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:03 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:02 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm trying to post between classes here
This next hour is the longest time I'll have until after deadline This is pretty opportunistic, your last post is 3 hours ago and it's right after two people have discussed maybe switching to you. This is so BS I hate when people SR me for being "opportunistic" because that's a stupid reason I'm actually posting between classes and you don't understand my schedule
There is nothing BS here, these are facts.
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You posted once 3 hours ago to attack a post of mine. Then 3 hours later when people are talking about lynching you you come back.
If you're town it's bad timing. If you're scum it makes sense.
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On April 26 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:09 Rels wrote:
You posted once 3 hours ago to attack a post of mine. Then 3 hours later when people are talking about lynching you you come back.
If you're town it's bad timing. If you're scum it makes sense. There are two reasonable possibilities, one as town and one as scum, therefore it was scummy?
"bad timing" is not a reasonnable possility, it's a coincidence. I admit it's not a hard proof but it's a small scum indicator because there is a scum motivation to do it while as town it would just be a coincidence.
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JAT & OWS thoughts on that ?
On April 25 2016 20:59 Rels wrote:
Now that I think of it, every killed town had one hard scumread in mind.
Palmar => Superbia
rsoul => Tumble
gumshoe => Onegu
The NKs are solving the game for us. Yeah I know gumshoe scumread me quite a lot too, but Onegu was his main target.
On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote:
Gotta stop for now but I've seen enough to make up my mind unless something drastic happens.
JAT is town because he's super townie and he has been town spewed by both Superbia & Onegu, assuming Onegu flips scum.
SL is town because he attacked both Onegu and Superbia D1, so unless Onegu is not scum it's unlikely he's partners with us both. He voted Superbia D1 and AFKd his vote on him. He was AFK during portions of the game but when he played he had this style of posting quick successions of posts that he has a hard time replicating as scum. He's implicated to solving the game when he usually doesn't care enough to play a lot as scum.
Onegu is scum because he's super useless. He scumread Superbia and said he would sheep Palmar D1 while ultimately wasting his vote. He never commited to a read on rsoul who he usually is super wary off but wasted his time joking with her instead. He's hiding his reads behind "mechanical" stuff like "Superbia is scum because scumslip" or "Tumble is scum because Rels & SL are not partners" in order to not commit to actually scumreading his partner. Superbia townreads him when he had no reason to and when Onegu is an easy mislynch to push. He scumreads me but he has no reason to scumread me apart from "coping out", whatever that means.
Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense.
In addition, the three NKs points at this conclusion, it looks like they all chose a target each night: N1 Superbia, N2 Tumble, N3 Onegu.
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On April 26 2016 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:16 Rels wrote:JAT & OWS thoughts on that ? On April 25 2016 20:59 Rels wrote:
Now that I think of it, every killed town had one hard scumread in mind.
Palmar => Superbia
rsoul => Tumble
gumshoe => Onegu
The NKs are solving the game for us. Yeah I know gumshoe scumread me quite a lot too, but Onegu was his main target. On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote:
Gotta stop for now but I've seen enough to make up my mind unless something drastic happens.
JAT is town because he's super townie and he has been town spewed by both Superbia & Onegu, assuming Onegu flips scum.
SL is town because he attacked both Onegu and Superbia D1, so unless Onegu is not scum it's unlikely he's partners with us both. He voted Superbia D1 and AFKd his vote on him. He was AFK during portions of the game but when he played he had this style of posting quick successions of posts that he has a hard time replicating as scum. He's implicated to solving the game when he usually doesn't care enough to play a lot as scum.
Onegu is scum because he's super useless. He scumread Superbia and said he would sheep Palmar D1 while ultimately wasting his vote. He never commited to a read on rsoul who he usually is super wary off but wasted his time joking with her instead. He's hiding his reads behind "mechanical" stuff like "Superbia is scum because scumslip" or "Tumble is scum because Rels & SL are not partners" in order to not commit to actually scumreading his partner. Superbia townreads him when he had no reason to and when Onegu is an easy mislynch to push. He scumreads me but he has no reason to scumread me apart from "coping out", whatever that means.
Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense.
In addition, the three NKs points at this conclusion, it looks like they all chose a target each night: N1 Superbia, N2 Tumble, N3 Onegu. I just refuse to believe this game is so easy that it is just tumble + onegu.
Sry but I refuse to lose to them when they are playing like that. I guess Onegu is putting a little effort now but that's the first time in 4 days.
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On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason.
Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble.
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On April 26 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:12 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:On April 26 2016 03:09 Rels wrote:
You posted once 3 hours ago to attack a post of mine. Then 3 hours later when people are talking about lynching you you come back.
If you're town it's bad timing. If you're scum it makes sense. There are two reasonable possibilities, one as town and one as scum, therefore it was scummy? "bad timing" is not a reasonnable possility, it's a coincidence. I admit it's not a hard proof but it's a small scum indicator because there is a scum motivation to do it while as town it would just be a coincidence. Well then you're scum for pushing me because as town you just coincidentally think I'm scum and as scum it wins you the game
You would have a point if I was pushing you for this single reason.
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On April 26 2016 03:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:20 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason. Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble. Yeah, that is obvious. Gumshoe might have been shot because he is the fucking medic though. And that wasn't hard to figure out especially if SL is mafia.
Maybe. He townread SL quite a lot though so if SL is scum that must have been a painful kill to make.
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On April 26 2016 03:23 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:20 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason. Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble. Everyone scumread one of Superbia, Onegu, and me.
Palmar was the main guy against Superbia D1/N1.
Rsoul was the main girl against you D2/N2.
Gumshoe was the main guy against Onegu D3/N3.
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Tumble do you even have something to say ? What do you think of Onegu's recent posting ? What do you think of my response to you 3 hours ago where I said you were lying ?
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On April 26 2016 03:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:25 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:22 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 03:20 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason. Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble. Yeah, that is obvious. Gumshoe might have been shot because he is the fucking medic though. And that wasn't hard to figure out especially if SL is mafia. Maybe. He townread SL quite a lot though so if SL is scum that must have been a painful kill to make. Not really. If Onegu is town and gets mislynched this doesn't matter at all.
Look, I agree that gumshoe being doc means he could have been killed for something else than his reads.
OK I don't know what I'm arguing anymore p: I agree with what yoiu just said.
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On April 26 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:27 Rels wrote:
Tumble do you even have something to say ? What do you think of Onegu's recent posting ? What do you think of my response to you 3 hours ago where I said you were lying ? I think Onegu is scum trying to take advantage of my inactivity to escape a lynch. I don't have that response handy so I'll answer it once I find it Oh and here's something to say Onegu and Rels are still scum (but for real what is the point of those questions)
The point is that I think you're scum, I think you entered the thread only because people were talking about you, and you have no idea what to say.
Here is my post:
On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though. What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that.
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On April 26 2016 03:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote:On April 26 2016 03:27 Rels wrote:
Tumble do you even have something to say ? What do you think of Onegu's recent posting ? What do you think of my response to you 3 hours ago where I said you were lying ? I think Onegu is scum trying to take advantage of my inactivity to escape a lynch. I don't have that response handy so I'll answer it once I find it Oh and here's something to say Onegu and Rels are still scum (but for real what is the point of those questions) The point is that I think you're scum, I think you entered the thread only because people were talking about you, and you have no idea what to say. Here is my post: Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though. What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that.
To expand, why did you post i n the thread when you're not even caught up ? Apparenrlty you didn't read this answer when it was posted 6 minutes after your post.
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On April 26 2016 03:35 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though. What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that. 1. You wouldn't be in a bad spot because you'd be in 4v2 LyLo with Shape (who I had just said to kill right after me) 2. I concede this point
1 may be true but that doesn't make me scum. Just because I would be in a good position if I was scum doesn't indicate I'm scum. JAT is in a even better position if he is scum yet I don't think you're scumreading him.
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On April 26 2016 03:41 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:37 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:35 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that. 1. You wouldn't be in a bad spot because you'd be in 4v2 LyLo with Shape (who I had just said to kill right after me) 2. I concede this point 1 may be true but that doesn't make me scum. Just because I would be in a good position if I was scum doesn't indicate I'm scum. JAT is in a even better position if he is scum yet I don't think you're scumreading him. JAT is town for other reasons that you aren't
You still have to produce any reason that would show why I'm scum
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On April 26 2016 03:45 Tumblewood wrote:
Out of time but will be back at about 45 minutes before deadline
On April 26 2016 03:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:33 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote:On April 26 2016 03:27 Rels wrote:
Tumble do you even have something to say ? What do you think of Onegu's recent posting ? What do you think of my response to you 3 hours ago where I said you were lying ? I think Onegu is scum trying to take advantage of my inactivity to escape a lynch. I don't have that response handy so I'll answer it once I find it Oh and here's something to say Onegu and Rels are still scum (but for real what is the point of those questions) The point is that I think you're scum, I think you entered the thread only because people were talking about you, and you have no idea what to say. Here is my post: On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though. What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that. To expand, why did you post i n the thread when you're not even caught up ? Apparenrlty you didn't read this answer when it was posted 6 minutes after your post.
Please answer this when you come back.
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Tumble's read on Superbia is really the strongest scum indicator. Both the fact that he scumread rsoultin who shared the almost same read and his refusal to vote him to survive EOD1.
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On April 25 2016 20:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 05:37 Tumblewood wrote:On April 18 2016 05:23 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 05:12 Tumblewood wrote:On April 18 2016 04:25 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 04:06 Tumblewood wrote:On April 18 2016 03:24 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 12:47 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2016 06:51 Tumblewood wrote:
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jat is town
jas is ??? but should be more apparent after he says who he is; giving him BotD
superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one)
palmar is null because he's not really out of his comfort zone
i want to call rels and gumshoe scummy but that's mostly omgus
sl is a 49 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saaying one slightly scummy thing
gb is a 50 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing
onegu is a 51 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing of value
ows is town because i like how he continued to townread me
fazers is scummy but also new so maybe just a scrub
tbh my reads are all based on spidey senses right now @tumble...super maybe scum=no vote as alternate wagon...gb exactly null=vote as alternate wagon care to explain? I was afraid of voting Superbia and him flipping green (not as a likelihood thing, but if he did I forecast my own mislynch for the next day). GB lynch happened at a point where several more townies had come out and defended me and attacked Superbia, so it felt, in a way, less risky. -squints at- i don't really understand this explanation what is the difference between you being lynched d1 or d2? until gb ninja-voted he was prob not getting lynched over super, yet you were still voting yourself because you were worried you'd be lynched d2 if super flipped town? so d1 is okay but not d2? explain the bolded like i'm 5. what is the significance of when the gb lynch happened and how was that less risky? Because at that point it was clear that voting a counterwagon was the difference between dying and surviving instead of dying d1 and dying d2.Of course, it turned out GB would have died without my help, but it still seemed up in the air at the time. why? when superbia was the counterwagon i thought i would for sure be lynched at some point when gb was the counterwagon it became apparent that maybe i wouldn't be lynched okay, so honestly, you're just really confusing me here. like you're not making sense and my first instinct is that should be scum but i think even scum would make more sense here, so i must just not be understanding @.@ it's as simple as...the wagons are between super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote super then the wagons are between gb, super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote one of them why would your scumread flipping town be worse than your null read flipping town? nononono when super was the counterwagon it wasn't "if i want to live i need to vote super", it was "if i don't vote super i die d1 if i vote super i die d2" then everyone left super for gb and people simultaneously said that i was town, so it became "if i don't vote gb i die d1 if i vote gb i don't die" like i got so entrenched in thinking i was going to die that i didn't even see superbia as a survival wagon, just a delay death wagon This doesn't make any sense. You scumread Superbia and was null on GB. But you didn't vote Superbia to save yourself because "you would die D2 anyway if Superbia was lynched", but you voted GB to save yourself because "you wouldn't die D2 automatically if GB was lynched". I cannot even comprehend what you are trying to say. This logic is so twisted. I'm calling BS on this.
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^ and this explanation after that happened doesn't make sense
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I wrote a message to go with that post, I have no idea where it went p:
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On April 26 2016 03:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I feel like I should probably switch to tumble here.
The logic behind voting tumble seems far and away more solid than voting Onegu for doing nothing.
I have the same feeling. Onegu only being somewhat useful when he's being lynched is annoying but at least he pushed something against Tumble. Tumble came into the thread, did nothing, and left.
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This is a good find. Gotta AFK for 1 hour, will fact check after that.
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On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels. But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL. 
Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this:
On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote:
also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol) Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough: Show nested quote +
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
Show nested quote +
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch.
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Alright see you in 1 hour.
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On April 26 2016 04:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 04:03 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels. But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL. Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this: On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote:
also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol) On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch. Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that.
Why, did she soft medic ?
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On April 26 2016 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 23:16 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 23:14 rsoultin wrote:+ Show Spoiler +No puedo decidir si me gusta matar SL o no...ayúdame ;o; El espacio entre su primera entrada y las otras era tan larga pero no sé como interpretar su lista de deseos sobre los jugadores :/ I can't decide whether or not I want to lynch SL...help me ;o; The time between his first post and the rest was pretty long but I don't know how to interpret that list of who he does and doesn't want to play with :/ SL is easy to read after a few days. Not a good D1 lynch. Seriously... where is this read?
On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote:
SL is town because he attacked both Onegu and Superbia D1, so unless Onegu is not scum it's unlikely he's partners with us both. He voted Superbia D1 and AFKd his vote on him. He was AFK during portions of the game but when he played he had this style of posting quick successions of posts that he has a hard time replicating as scum. He's implicated to solving the game when he usually doesn't care enough to play a lot as scum.
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On April 26 2016 04:38 justanothertownie wrote:
AH, he is talking about what tumble did ages ago. Sorry.
He's talking about me a few hours ago actually.
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On April 26 2016 04:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 04:57 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:04 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:03 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels. But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL. Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this: On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote:
also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol) On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch. Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that. Why, did she soft medic ? Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic.
SL why did you think that ?
JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that.
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SL though if you're super convinced it's Onegu / Tumble like you are it shouldn't matter to you that Tumble is lynched there ?
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On April 26 2016 05:05 sicklucker wrote:
no i still think you can be mafia. but its like 80/20 tumble? Id prefer time to think about it
You attacked me yesterday for not voting when I apparently had a lot of time to think about everything ...
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On April 26 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 05:02 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:58 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:57 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:04 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:03 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels. But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL. Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this: On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote:
also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol) On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch. Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that. Why, did she soft medic ? Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic. SL why did you think that ? JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that. Because you are not me and you had buddies if you are mafia.
Well if you believe that couild be the case you need to look for proof because I reread the whole game until N2 a few hours ago and I can't think of anything like that
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On April 26 2016 05:29 sicklucker wrote:
Like we have two kills and they both have to be right. Im also killing onegu. If he lives today im killing him tormorow SO I want him dead first. I could acualy see myself voting rels over tumble. Unlucky but its possible thats my mindset and thats why i want it to be 6pm alread
For what reason ?
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On April 26 2016 05:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 05:29 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 05:02 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:58 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:57 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:04 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:03 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels. But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL. Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this: On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote:
also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol) On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch. Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that. Why, did she soft medic ? Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic. SL why did you think that ? JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that. Because you are not me and you had buddies if you are mafia. Well if you believe that couild be the case you need to look for proof because I reread the whole game until N2 a few hours ago and I can't think of anything like that How am I supposed to look for proof of something that would have only been posted in the mafia qt anyways? srsly?
Because I try to prove I'm town using the rsoul kill and you say "well scum could have been thinking she's medic". So if you can't find any reason that 'sculm could have been thinking she's medic", your argument doesn't work.
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On April 26 2016 05:33 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 05:30 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:29 sicklucker wrote:
Like we have two kills and they both have to be right. Im also killing onegu. If he lives today im killing him tormorow SO I want him dead first. I could acualy see myself voting rels over tumble. Unlucky but its possible thats my mindset and thats why i want it to be 6pm alread For what reason ? huh?
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On April 26 2016 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 05:33 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:31 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 05:29 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 05:02 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:58 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:57 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:04 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:03 Rels wrote:
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Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this:
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So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch. Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that. Why, did she soft medic ? Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic. SL why did you think that ? JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that. Because you are not me and you had buddies if you are mafia. Well if you believe that couild be the case you need to look for proof because I reread the whole game until N2 a few hours ago and I can't think of anything like that How am I supposed to look for proof of something that would have only been posted in the mafia qt anyways? srsly? Because I try to prove I'm town using the rsoul kill and you say "well scum could have been thinking she's medic". So if you can't find any reason that 'sculm could have been thinking she's medic", your argument doesn't work. It's exactly the other way round. You can't use rsoultins death to proof your innocence for exactly this reason. If you were mafia and thought she is medic or a buddy of yours did you wouldn't post it in the thread but in your qt.
But I don't think there are any reason to think she could have been doc.
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On April 26 2016 05:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 05:37 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 05:33 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:31 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 05:29 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 05:02 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:58 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:57 Rels wrote:
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Why, did she soft medic ? Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic. SL why did you think that ? JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that. Because you are not me and you had buddies if you are mafia. Well if you believe that couild be the case you need to look for proof because I reread the whole game until N2 a few hours ago and I can't think of anything like that How am I supposed to look for proof of something that would have only been posted in the mafia qt anyways? srsly? Because I try to prove I'm town using the rsoul kill and you say "well scum could have been thinking she's medic". So if you can't find any reason that 'sculm could have been thinking she's medic", your argument doesn't work. It's exactly the other way round. You can't use rsoultins death to proof your innocence for exactly this reason. If you were mafia and thought she is medic or a buddy of yours did you wouldn't post it in the thread but in your qt. But I don't think there are any reason to think she could have been doc. Who knows? If SL thinks that other people may have to. Just let it go. You cannot clear yourself with this.
SL why did you think that ?
And ofc I won't let it go p: it's one of my towniest game 'cause I had a lot of time to play apart from last weekend compared to a lot of recent game, yet I feel like I'm on the verge of being lynched anytime. It's super frustrating.
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On April 26 2016 05:41 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 05:37 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 05:33 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:31 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 05:29 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 05:02 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:58 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:57 Rels wrote:
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Why, did she soft medic ? Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic. SL why did you think that ? JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that. Because you are not me and you had buddies if you are mafia. Well if you believe that couild be the case you need to look for proof because I reread the whole game until N2 a few hours ago and I can't think of anything like that How am I supposed to look for proof of something that would have only been posted in the mafia qt anyways? srsly? Because I try to prove I'm town using the rsoul kill and you say "well scum could have been thinking she's medic". So if you can't find any reason that 'sculm could have been thinking she's medic", your argument doesn't work. It's exactly the other way round. You can't use rsoultins death to proof your innocence for exactly this reason. If you were mafia and thought she is medic or a buddy of yours did you wouldn't post it in the thread but in your qt. But I don't think there are any reason to think she could have been doc. no i thought she was doc and already explained why. the fact she never waverred on super after his claim like jat or obi did points to her being medic. i felt I also had that gonig for me so it was why i put some effort into taking a bullet
OK. Why did you just say "I'm OK voting Rels over Tumble" ?
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This feels like Star Wars when I was the most obvious town ever and JAT & rayn still scumread me in the obs QT while I was nailing the scumteam. Well, while NM was nailing the scumteam and I was 2/3.
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On April 26 2016 05:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 05:41 sicklucker wrote:On April 26 2016 05:37 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 05:33 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:31 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 05:29 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 05:02 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:58 justanothertownie wrote:
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Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic. SL why did you think that ? JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that. Because you are not me and you had buddies if you are mafia. Well if you believe that couild be the case you need to look for proof because I reread the whole game until N2 a few hours ago and I can't think of anything like that How am I supposed to look for proof of something that would have only been posted in the mafia qt anyways? srsly? Because I try to prove I'm town using the rsoul kill and you say "well scum could have been thinking she's medic". So if you can't find any reason that 'sculm could have been thinking she's medic", your argument doesn't work. It's exactly the other way round. You can't use rsoultins death to proof your innocence for exactly this reason. If you were mafia and thought she is medic or a buddy of yours did you wouldn't post it in the thread but in your qt. But I don't think there are any reason to think she could have been doc. no i thought she was doc and already explained why. the fact she never waverred on super after his claim like jat or obi did points to her being medic. i felt I also had that gonig for me so it was why i put some effort into taking a bullet OK. Why did you just say "I'm OK voting Rels over Tumble" ?
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And I'm pretty sure OWS said he was still undfecided so he's probably gonna be around before deadline
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On April 26 2016 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 05:45 Rels wrote:
This feels like Star Wars when I was the most obvious town ever and JAT & rayn still scumread me in the obs QT while I was nailing the scumteam. Well, while NM was nailing the scumteam and I was 2/3. What has this to do with anything here? I am not even scumreading you. I am just not ruling you out because that would be really dumb to do.
That's how I feel.
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SLLLLLLL please answer me
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On April 26 2016 05:29 sicklucker wrote:
Like we have two kills and they both have to be right. Im also killing onegu. If he lives today im killing him tormorow SO I want him dead first. I could acualy see myself voting rels over tumble. Unlucky but its possible thats my mindset and thats why i want it to be 6pm alread
LOL you posted this 37 minutes ago bro
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On April 26 2016 06:08 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 06:07 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:29 sicklucker wrote:
Like we have two kills and they both have to be right. Im also killing onegu. If he lives today im killing him tormorow SO I want him dead first. I could acualy see myself voting rels over tumble. Unlucky but its possible thats my mindset and thats why i want it to be 6pm alread LOL you posted this 37 minutes ago bro no i didnt lol
Click on "page 139" or your filter and see for yourself p:
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On April 26 2016 06:11 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 06:09 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 06:08 sicklucker wrote:On April 26 2016 06:07 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:29 sicklucker wrote:
Like we have two kills and they both have to be right. Im also killing onegu. If he lives today im killing him tormorow SO I want him dead first. I could acualy see myself voting rels over tumble. Unlucky but its possible thats my mindset and thats why i want it to be 6pm alread LOL you posted this 37 minutes ago bro no i didnt lol Click on "page 139" or your filter and see for yourself p: your not good at reading are you? reread it a few times
So my question is, why would you vote me ?
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On April 26 2016 06:16 sicklucker wrote:
Like rels you had the scummiest vote of all time so im allowed ot be paranoid. but you not looking to jump on tumble here makes me think your pretty lock town now. Because you have to be with onegu but your not really trying to get the lynch off of him
That would be a great case if that wasn't the only point in it and if I didn't have a reason to vote Tumble p:
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On April 26 2016 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 06:21 sicklucker wrote:
you know what fuck it lets win the game today. you guys are so fucking paranoid im scum here that you might even vote me over tumble . ##vote tumble I just want this game to end I dont want 3 more days of this shit This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. The only way the game ends today is if town loses. Is that what you want?
This makes sense from his POV where the only decision he has to make is Tumble vs me.
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On April 26 2016 06:25 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 06:23 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 26 2016 05:06 sicklucker wrote:
Jat going for the win here makes no sense since he wins in final 3 anyway. SO ill make it easy for you and put your suspicions at ez. I will lynch tumble for you if you really want to. Just dont blame me if we lose to rels =[ hey jat i'll throw the game, but only if you want ???? that's what I see in sl's words he was like, "nah tumble is town" and then decided he'd sheep someone and vote his townread in lylo
I can feel the frustration here ^^ you're not even dying bro
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On April 26 2016 06:30 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 06:27 sicklucker wrote:
sign ill just stick with onegu you will probably wifmo yourself into thinking im making some sort of play here. This is a really really easy game.. So, this game is really really easy and it is....? Onegu+Rels? Then why were you willing to switch to tumble just now. waaaaaaat
Onegu + Tumble
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On April 26 2016 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, whatever. I will just blame whoever of you 2 is town if that is not the case. And rsoultin if you 2 are mafia.
Problem solved.
I tried that. It doesn't really work. You still feel great if you win and bad if you lose.
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On April 26 2016 06:36 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 06:35 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, whatever. I will just blame whoever of you 2 is town if that is not the case. And rsoultin if you 2 are mafia.
Problem solved. I tried that. It doesn't really work. You still feel great if you win and bad if you lose. shhhhhh
hahaha p:
really though the game is that simple. Onegu / Tumble are scum. You can find out because they are fucking scummy. They tried to put distance between themselves because they are fucking scummy. The end.
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On April 26 2016 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 06:39 sicklucker wrote:
and if rels is mafia im going to blame you for focusing on me the confirmed town who killed mafia over the guy who voted to save mafia I did not focus on you at all. I read all relevant filters today and gave my opinion on them and possbile interactions/votecounts etc. You know the stuff every townie should do in LYLO and noone besides me did.
STFU I did that too
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On April 26 2016 06:42 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 06:38 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 06:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 06:35 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, whatever. I will just blame whoever of you 2 is town if that is not the case. And rsoultin if you 2 are mafia.
Problem solved. I tried that. It doesn't really work. You still feel great if you win and bad if you lose. shhhhhh hahaha p: really though the game is that simple. Onegu / Tumble are scum. You can find out because they are fucking scummy. They tried to put distance between themselves because they are fucking scummy. The end. anything onegu does today is laced in wifom you shouldn't read into whether he's trying to distance / not distance because he knows he's dying anyway my defense against my own scumminess is my own scrubbiness
Can't see it explaining that:
On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote:
Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense.
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On April 26 2016 06:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 06:45 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 06:42 Tumblewood wrote:On April 26 2016 06:38 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 06:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 06:35 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, whatever. I will just blame whoever of you 2 is town if that is not the case. And rsoultin if you 2 are mafia.
Problem solved. I tried that. It doesn't really work. You still feel great if you win and bad if you lose. shhhhhh hahaha p: really though the game is that simple. Onegu / Tumble are scum. You can find out because they are fucking scummy. They tried to put distance between themselves because they are fucking scummy. The end. anything onegu does today is laced in wifom you shouldn't read into whether he's trying to distance / not distance because he knows he's dying anyway my defense against my own scumminess is my own scrubbiness Can't see it explaining that: On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote:
Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense. I still don't understand how you aren't pushing harder for a tumble lynch if you are town.
Cause Onegu is also scum. If he's not he has 15 minutes to prove it.
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On April 26 2016 06:49 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 06:47 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 06:46 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 06:45 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 06:42 Tumblewood wrote:On April 26 2016 06:38 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 06:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 06:35 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, whatever. I will just blame whoever of you 2 is town if that is not the case. And rsoultin if you 2 are mafia.
Problem solved. I tried that. It doesn't really work. You still feel great if you win and bad if you lose. shhhhhh hahaha p: really though the game is that simple. Onegu / Tumble are scum. You can find out because they are fucking scummy. They tried to put distance between themselves because they are fucking scummy. The end. anything onegu does today is laced in wifom you shouldn't read into whether he's trying to distance / not distance because he knows he's dying anyway my defense against my own scumminess is my own scrubbiness Can't see it explaining that: On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote:
Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense. I still don't understand how you aren't pushing harder for a tumble lynch if you are town. Cause Onegu is also scum. If he's not he has 15 minutes to prove it. Why are you so damn sure about me?
Lots of reason. General uselesness until today, your D1 vote, your rsoul read being a joke all game long, Superbia townreading you for no reason. TBF I prefered your posting to Tumble today - if SL wasn't quite townie I would be way more doubtful about you. But I can't see SL being scum over you when I know SL has a hard time faking to care about the game as scum.
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YOU MLOTGHERFUCKER SICKLUCKER I HAD AN HEART ATTACK
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On April 26 2016 07:00 justanothertownie wrote:huh?
I was monitering the FUCKING VOTING THREAD and fucking SL posted a fucking baby seal in it
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fuck that
cool to be right
ez lynch tomiorrow
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SL if you're scum you will regret not pushing for Tumble harder
probably
if Tumble becomes a town god for some reason
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On April 26 2016 07:02 justanothertownie wrote:
SO ATTENTION MR. LAST MAFIA
Here is the deal:
You will kill me instead of Obi tonight.
Why do you ask?
Because otherwise I will force a nolynch tomorrow and everyone in this game including you will have to wait a whole additional cycle for this game to end. So you will either have to kill me then or make the game easier for me.
Also you want lazy Obi in the game more than me anyways (sorry bro).
hahaha you want to out your own game ^^
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On April 26 2016 07:03 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 07:00 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 07:00 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 06:59 Rels wrote:
fuck huh? I was monitering the FUCKING VOTING THREAD and fucking SL posted a fucking baby seal in it ROFL. that was ment for this thread woulda been great but I ran out of time and didnt wanna risk a mod kill
I was so sure we had lost. I had my vote prepared and I prayed for someobdy else to remark it too
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I hate being killed. The people left behind seem to NEVER read the dead player filters.
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On April 26 2016 07:06 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 07:03 Rels wrote:
SL if you're scum you will regret not pushing for Tumble harder
probably
if Tumble becomes a town god for some reason ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vsbCTFl.gif) why were you watching the vote thread? now that i think about it thats super scummy. Its like your waiting for someone to mis vote so you can hammer the win IT HAS BEGUN DONT CONCEDE YET TUMBLE + Show Spoiler +
I'm caught bro take me I won't resist
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On April 26 2016 07:06 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 07:05 Rels wrote:
I hate being killed. The people left behind seem to NEVER read the dead player filters. like zero chance you die tonight if this game goes on.
I know. I mean in general p:
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On April 26 2016 07:08 sicklucker wrote:ya ima pm him to concede and get banned for 3 games again. it will be so worth it + Show Spoiler +i jokes but seriously this is the same spot i was in when i got banned I dont know why people dont give up when its over
Bro that was my first game ever and I remember playing the moral police about that
I was killed N1 too /brag
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ALright going to bed. See you tomorrow if this game is still going on.
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On April 26 2016 07:10 sicklucker wrote:
honestly im kind of mad I didnt go with my early read on onegu. HE WAS SO FUCKING HAPPY AT THE START OF THE GAME. think I figured out how to read him scum. I coulda killed two scum inarow
I know right. Fucking rsoul going "no Rels this is a completely wrong way to read Onegu"
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On April 26 2016 10:43 Tumblewood wrote:There are three people in this game could have even a 5% chance of being lynched. One of them is me. If you all want to just chill and AFK-vote me, I totally understand that. I am, by far, the player who has made the most mistakes and said the worst things. You have all the information you want, so you're going to look at everything more I say with only a passing fancy, because aww, look at the silly confirmed scum flailing. You're wrong though and I'm sorry you've been misled. I can't concede, so I'm probably just going to chill and write a few more ramblings until Thursday. I might even vote myself if you convince me (actually, though, I'm going to vote for a no-lynch if it just to be an ass get the best chance I can. Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 07:03 Rels wrote:
SL if you're scum you will regret not pushing for Tumble harder
probably
if Tumble becomes a town god for some reason Also I don't get why people keep leaving this "if", like you would ever suddenly townread someone if they just made a really convincing argument that they were town.
You best bet is to make a really convincing argument that SL is scum TBH. You would have to find a real scumslip though
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On April 26 2016 12:02 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 07:08 sicklucker wrote:ya ima pm him to concede and get banned for 3 games again. it will be so worth it + Show Spoiler +i jokes but seriously this is the same spot i was in when i got banned I dont know why people dont give up when its over you don't get this but I literally can't like, as scum I probably still wouldn't (though I probably wouldn't no-lynch because at that point there's seriously nothing left), but there's no point in PMing me because I already know that everyone wants me to concede Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 07:19 sicklucker wrote:
idk its just stupid to think tumble could think he could lynch me considering my day one reads. I made sense with tumble but not with onegu. he has to push the rels would to have any hope idk I could make a pretty solid case based on your behavior at this deadline, and on whatever flaws I was pointing out earlier when I filter-dove everyone. I'd just OPPORTUNISTICALLY leave out whatever you did on D1. Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 07:18 sicklucker wrote:
you mean rels and tumble will have to fight it out right? nah man if rels is gonna fight so are you probably just going to spend all my time publicly wallowing in pity and putting up stupid statistics about my lynches. I bet you every time someone's called me opportunistic they've been scum. + Show Spoiler [opportunistic statistic] +
in (completed) games I've played in, players have called other players "opportunistic" ___ times.
in XX: used 1 time by town on town
in Storm: used 4 times by scum on town, 2 times by scum on scum, 1 time by town on scum, 4 times by town on town (one of those was by Rels! and one was on me!)
in Noir: 3 times by town on town (one of those was by Rels on me! and one other was on me!)
in Melee: 1 time by town on town, 1 time by scum on town, 1 time by town on scum
in Devil: 3 times by town on town, 2 times by scum on scum, 2 times by scum on town, 2 times by town on scum
in XIX: 2 times by scum on scum (both of those were on me!), 2 times by town on town
making for a total of 14 times by town on town, 7 times by scum on town, 6 times by scum on scum, and only 4 times by town on scum
foolish rels called me opportunistic to prove me scum, but if anything it does the opposite and confirms me as town! ahahahahahaha!
I have such a vendetta against that word
btw that post took me an hour
I don't even know how you managed to do this in 1 hour. You don't seem to have TL+. Did you CTRL+F each page of each of those games ?
That was pretty cool TBH. On the other hand, I don't remember why I used it for in other games but your posting timing at EOD4 was really opportunistic. p:
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On April 26 2016 01:54 justanothertownie wrote:Superbia filter dive: People said this is partner indicative: It's not. Not at all. Mafialikes to townread lynchbait early day1. They generally do not like to townread buddies who look like shit. Would super do this to a buddy?
I remembered this post so I'm quoting it to point out that it was bad.
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I don't know what the limit is on talking about other games, we actually had a discussion on Shape a few days ago about that, so I'm gonna stay very vague. There is another game going on at the same time, and it's interesting to read the filters of people playing in both games.
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On April 26 2016 22:34 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 12:02 Tumblewood wrote:On April 26 2016 07:08 sicklucker wrote:ya ima pm him to concede and get banned for 3 games again. it will be so worth it + Show Spoiler +i jokes but seriously this is the same spot i was in when i got banned I dont know why people dont give up when its over you don't get this but I literally can't like, as scum I probably still wouldn't (though I probably wouldn't no-lynch because at that point there's seriously nothing left), but there's no point in PMing me because I already know that everyone wants me to concede On April 26 2016 07:19 sicklucker wrote:
idk its just stupid to think tumble could think he could lynch me considering my day one reads. I made sense with tumble but not with onegu. he has to push the rels would to have any hope idk I could make a pretty solid case based on your behavior at this deadline, and on whatever flaws I was pointing out earlier when I filter-dove everyone. I'd just OPPORTUNISTICALLY leave out whatever you did on D1. On April 26 2016 07:18 sicklucker wrote:
you mean rels and tumble will have to fight it out right? nah man if rels is gonna fight so are you probably just going to spend all my time publicly wallowing in pity and putting up stupid statistics about my lynches. I bet you every time someone's called me opportunistic they've been scum. + Show Spoiler [opportunistic statistic] +
in (completed) games I've played in, players have called other players "opportunistic" ___ times.
in XX: used 1 time by town on town
in Storm: used 4 times by scum on town, 2 times by scum on scum, 1 time by town on scum, 4 times by town on town (one of those was by Rels! and one was on me!)
in Noir: 3 times by town on town (one of those was by Rels on me! and one other was on me!)
in Melee: 1 time by town on town, 1 time by scum on town, 1 time by town on scum
in Devil: 3 times by town on town, 2 times by scum on scum, 2 times by scum on town, 2 times by town on scum
in XIX: 2 times by scum on scum (both of those were on me!), 2 times by town on town
making for a total of 14 times by town on town, 7 times by scum on town, 6 times by scum on scum, and only 4 times by town on scum
foolish rels called me opportunistic to prove me scum, but if anything it does the opposite and confirms me as town! ahahahahahaha!
I have such a vendetta against that word
btw that post took me an hour well if your town "making a case on me" the one you town read out of all of us and is the more obvious town is going to throw the game
He seems to be switching his mislynch target from me to you
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How did you obtain the stats of "how many times a certain word was used in 5 games" in only 1 hour ? I'm curious
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On April 26 2016 23:38 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 23:35 Rels wrote:
How did you obtain the stats of "how many times a certain word was used in 5 games" in only 1 hour ? I'm curious Search bar, gives you all the posts with that word
Thanks
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On April 27 2016 01:45 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 18:46 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 01:54 justanothertownie wrote:Superbia filter dive: People said this is partner indicative: On April 16 2016 21:26 Superbia wrote:
Onegu prob town based on one sample. It's not. Not at all. Mafialikes to townread lynchbait early day1. They generally do not like to townread buddies who look like shit. Would super do this to a buddy? I remembered this post so I'm quoting it to point out that it was bad. First of all the question at the end belongs to the quote below and second of all, no. It wasn't bad. Just because Onegu was mafia dies not mean you are right.
Admit it - you're bad
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On April 27 2016 06:34 sicklucker wrote:
so any theorys on who dies. I think I always want to sleep tomorrow anyway. Jat or no jat
I don't have any, waiting to see who dies
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Sure we can do that. Getting one more kill before lynching.
##Vote no-lynch
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On April 27 2016 07:05 sicklucker wrote:
tbh that nk points to tumble. I think me or rels would do the math and just jat
I agree on general. It's weird that you include yourself on the suspect list though
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On April 27 2016 07:33 sicklucker wrote:
acualy rels never kills obi I think? obi was never voting rels in 100 years. rels would have killed fucking jat almost all hetime. im cool to vote tumble today acualy
This is 100% true. No-lynching is always the better play here though, there is no drawback to doing it.
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On April 27 2016 07:42 sicklucker wrote:
I dont think jats scum he brought up the no lynch before I even thought about it. no way you make that nk thats just hurry this along now
I won't make that decision in the tired state I'm in p: see you tomorrow
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On April 27 2016 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 07:42 sicklucker wrote:
I dont think jats scum he brought up the no lynch before I even thought about it. no way you make that nk thats just hurry this along now Yeah, because you needed that to figure out my alignment, huh? Seriously.
No he's talking to me 'cause I said "no drawback to no-lynch". The drawback to lynching today is less time + we lose to scum!you but given that you are pushing for a no-lynch you are very, very unlikely to be scum based on that alone, let alone the rest.
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This gets the award for the most pointless discussion
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On April 26 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm seriously sick of playing mafia and actually reading people right now but I swear tonight I'll be kinda useful
And what happened to this ?
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Yeah Tumble saw there was a no-lynch today and didn't bother doing what he sweared he would do.
Fuck that, I'm never voting SL over him anyway.
##Tumblewood
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Yeah SL' filter is good. There are weird things but it's SL, he's weird sometimes. The way he's involved in solving the game + rereading the game and commenting on it + roleswapping are all things he does as town. He has a hard time caring as scum, case in point: the other current game in which he was vig'd for being useless. Plus he was scumreading both Superbia and Onegu D1.
Let's finish this. The only drawback to this is that we lose to scum!JAT, but the chance of this happening if so small it doesn't matter.
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On April 28 2016 00:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 17:51 Rels wrote:
Yeah SL' filter is good. There are weird things but it's SL, he's weird sometimes. The way he's involved in solving the game + rereading the game and commenting on it + roleswapping are all things he does as town. He has a hard time caring as scum, case in point: the other current game in which he was vig'd for being useless. Plus he was scumreading both Superbia and Onegu D1.
Let's finish this. The only drawback to this is that we lose to scum!JAT, but the chance of this happening if so small it doesn't matter. I agree that SL is pretty towny. I also agree that tumble is the scummiest dude here. But a nolynch is clearly the best option here. We lose to scum you for example. If you 2 lynch tumble today and he is town then the blame will 100 % be on the townie between you.
If I was scum I wouldn't have killed OWS who hard townread me. The only difference between lynching today or tomorrow if you die is more time. Tumble has had way more time than he deserved already. He was almost lynched every day apart from D2, but he repeatedly did nothing. The "I swear to do more tonight" followed by AFK is the last straw.
The only drawback to lynching today is losing to scum!you, and I don't think you are scum.
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I'm OK with no-lynch TBF since it's the mechanical right play. But not if tomorrow is an auto-lynch. I won't move unless Tumble shows there is even a slight possibility that SL is scum.
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On April 28 2016 00:25 sicklucker wrote:
Also rels hammering tumble before tumble votes no lynch is kind of scummy. Because thats the tie breaker if it goes 2-2.
You did the exact same thing by voting Tumble before he had the time to do anything. It only shows that I don't need more time weighting you vs Tumble - same as you.
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On April 28 2016 00:26 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 00:24 Rels wrote:On April 28 2016 00:11 justanothertownie wrote:On April 27 2016 17:51 Rels wrote:
Yeah SL' filter is good. There are weird things but it's SL, he's weird sometimes. The way he's involved in solving the game + rereading the game and commenting on it + roleswapping are all things he does as town. He has a hard time caring as scum, case in point: the other current game in which he was vig'd for being useless. Plus he was scumreading both Superbia and Onegu D1.
Let's finish this. The only drawback to this is that we lose to scum!JAT, but the chance of this happening if so small it doesn't matter. I agree that SL is pretty towny. I also agree that tumble is the scummiest dude here. But a nolynch is clearly the best option here. We lose to scum you for example. If you 2 lynch tumble today and he is town then the blame will 100 % be on the townie between you. If I was scum I wouldn't have killed OWS who hard townread me. The only difference between lynching today or tomorrow if you die is more time. Tumble has had way more time than he deserved already. He was almost lynched every day apart from D2, but he repeatedly did nothing. The "I swear to do more tonight" followed by AFK is the last straw. The only drawback to lynching today is losing to scum!you, and I don't think you are scum. ya thats certainly your saving grace. altho theres always the possibility that you didnt think about it
Yeah I'm known for not carefully thinking about what I do as scum right ? p:
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On April 28 2016 00:29 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 00:29 Rels wrote:On April 28 2016 00:25 sicklucker wrote:
Also rels hammering tumble before tumble votes no lynch is kind of scummy. Because thats the tie breaker if it goes 2-2. You did the exact same thing by voting Tumble before he had the time to do anything. It only shows that I don't need more time weighting you vs Tumble - same as you. tbh its a trap.. but if tumble literally does nothing oh well
You constantly talking about "traps" instead of things that make people scums is bothering me though. You did the same thing EOD4 with your "vote Tumble" stuff. There is a tons of info in the game already yet you hide your real reads.
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On April 28 2016 00:36 sicklucker wrote:
well were literally doing nothing today. of course im going to try and get information out of you the only other person I could vote
You could do that if you were transparent with your reads before, but you're making it seem like you weren't and were only playing games to gain info.
Please state your reads on Tumble and I with reasonning.
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I won't ever vote you while Tumble is playing like this. But I have the impression that you have no read and you're hiding behind the "it's a trap" card to do what you want without repercussion: try to lynch Tumble EOD4, voting him right now.
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On April 28 2016 00:43 sicklucker wrote:
tbh my original plan was to just switch me vote to no lynch 10 second before deadline and see if either you or jat tried to hammer. then i thought about it and this made more sense.
In all fairness but then I thought of this plan
I planned on doing that too p: I guess it doesn't matter anymore then.
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But for real Tumble can die if he cannot be assed to do anything useful today.
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On April 28 2016 00:46 sicklucker wrote:
rels why were you reading the vote thread at eod tho? I was not joking when I thought that was weird
It's an habit, I do that every vote every game to see what happens. I had no reason to do it in this particular vote.
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On April 28 2016 00:48 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 00:45 Rels wrote:On April 28 2016 00:43 sicklucker wrote:
tbh my original plan was to just switch me vote to no lynch 10 second before deadline and see if either you or jat tried to hammer. then i thought about it and this made more sense.
In all fairness but then I thought of this plan I planned on doing that too p: I guess it doesn't matter anymore then. that sounds kind of made up
Well if that how this sounds, you can understand how you having literally 0 read in the thread for two days on Tumble and I and only playing games sounds like.
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On April 28 2016 00:52 sicklucker wrote:
well you could kind of say the same for jat and one of us is town for sure
That is 100% wrong. JAT made filter dives and posted his conclusions. Until he claims these were made up traps, every read he has are written in the thread.
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On April 28 2016 00:52 sicklucker wrote:
and tumble too
This is true though. I have no idea what are his reads and why he's having them. He admited his only reason to scumread me was wrong and didn't state a new one. He said he was suspicious of you for "having a weird behaviour" or something like that, and didn't expand. This guy is 100% useless.
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sicklucker now that you have no reason to hide them, state your reads with reasonning on Tumble and I pretty please.
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On April 28 2016 00:56 sicklucker wrote:
I made filter dives before the last vote that mattered. I filter dived when yesterday started (the day onegu died) I posted like 2 pages of quotes and comments then came to a conclusion that onegu was 100% mafia. Voted him and trolled for the rest of the day.
Here I havent filtered dived yet (i need to because I stopped early last time because I had already decidided on my vote for that day) But I still have between 32-90 hours is we sleep. So its not like im not going to do it
Will you do it before the end of this current day ?
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On April 28 2016 01:00 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 00:55 Rels wrote:
sicklucker now that you have no reason to hide them, state your reads with reasonning on Tumble and I pretty please. Theres alot of logic that points to you as scum but you played a really clean game. and a double bus early d1 I believe? or was that super tumble then that would only be a single bus. Tumble thinking im scum all of a sudden is pretty scummy too. But hes pretty new and i was doing weird things so its not a thing I would ride or die with. obv we need to see more from him and I need to reread his filter (in context not a filter dive aka reread the game before I feel comfortable with him either way) Onegus vote on tumble day 3 makes me think they were setting up a bus to have tumble win in final 3 after bussing onegu yesterday. Both this vote and your day 1 vote seem equally bad so its a hard spot from vote logic
Even if I was scum, double bus was impossible D1 since Onegu wasn't a lynch candidate, unless you're talking about me supporting a vig shot on Onegu ?
Again, reread the D1 vote, the "logic" doesn't point at me, I voted Tumble when he scumslipped, which is something I can't predict as scum.
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On April 28 2016 01:05 sicklucker wrote:
This is kind of how I played my last lylo too. pyp. I had no idea who the last scum was and I did a full reread in lylo to figure out who I was going to vote since I had the hammer. It didnt really work out but lets not talk about that. I know i murdered you right before lylo in that and your team was out so not sure if you followed it
Yeah, TT made some sick cases and was ignored. p: Or maybe even lynched, can't remember who got lynched
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On April 28 2016 01:08 sicklucker wrote:
like even when super was with me in my last scum game. I could tell he was going to paly like shit after carrying that pyp game.
Hes like really weird he will play a perfect scum game (hes beat me twice in final 3) then he will tottaly shit the bed next game. in some huge game imperial I think I busted him day one and he was so bad that i fake claimed cop or something trying to get him lynched.
And this was his third scum roll inarow... Ya its expected he was going to suck really. im sure super knew it and maybe would have mentioned it
If this is true, this points at you being his partner and voting him early TBH. If he was feeling terrible, he would have known he needed to fakeclaim and Tumble or I would have bused him way harder, protected by the fact that he was going to fakeclaim.
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On April 28 2016 01:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 01:05 Rels wrote:On April 28 2016 01:00 sicklucker wrote:On April 28 2016 00:55 Rels wrote:
sicklucker now that you have no reason to hide them, state your reads with reasonning on Tumble and I pretty please. Theres alot of logic that points to you as scum but you played a really clean game. and a double bus early d1 I believe? or was that super tumble then that would only be a single bus. Tumble thinking im scum all of a sudden is pretty scummy too. But hes pretty new and i was doing weird things so its not a thing I would ride or die with. obv we need to see more from him and I need to reread his filter (in context not a filter dive aka reread the game before I feel comfortable with him either way) Onegus vote on tumble day 3 makes me think they were setting up a bus to have tumble win in final 3 after bussing onegu yesterday. Both this vote and your day 1 vote seem equally bad so its a hard spot from vote logic Even if I was scum, double bus was impossible D1 since Onegu wasn't a lynch candidate, unless you're talking about me supporting a vig shot on Onegu ? Again, reread the D1 vote, the "logic" doesn't point at me, I voted Tumble when he scumslipped, which is something I can't predict as scum. You don't need to predict it. You just need to jump on it. Scum is the faction that reacts most of the time.
It's an response to the argument "Rels voted Tumble when the vote was 2/2 Superbia / Tumble", not a general one. If Tumble was super townie but I voted him anyway 'cause I planned on doing that I would have looked terrible.
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On April 28 2016 01:14 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 01:12 Rels wrote:On April 28 2016 01:08 sicklucker wrote:
like even when super was with me in my last scum game. I could tell he was going to paly like shit after carrying that pyp game.
Hes like really weird he will play a perfect scum game (hes beat me twice in final 3) then he will tottaly shit the bed next game. in some huge game imperial I think I busted him day one and he was so bad that i fake claimed cop or something trying to get him lynched.
And this was his third scum roll inarow... Ya its expected he was going to suck really. im sure super knew it and maybe would have mentioned it If this is true, this points at you being his partner and voting him early TBH. If he was feeling terrible, he would have known he needed to fakeclaim and Tumble or I would have bused him way harder, protected by the fact that he was going to fakeclaim. well I didnt bus super the game before... and he asked me to I cant make this shit up. Super wanted me to bus him all game but I went out of my way to keep him alive. Like this is something that acualy happened. I killed rstoulin for the specific reason that if she flipped scum super would look alot more townie and not get lynched. I said the logic in the third party qt if you think im making this up for any reason
Sry that is a flawed logic. Just because in one game where Superbia didn't look super terrible you didn't bus him doesn't prove that in another game where Superbia looked terrible from the start you didn't bus him. And it's not even taking into account the fact that in that game Superbia was your only buddy and your jailkeeper.
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I think JAT is trying to say something ^^
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On April 28 2016 01:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Grrrrr...
Nobody says you planned it. But the fact is that it is a vite to save super at that point. I know it sucks if you are town but you can't defend yourself tthat regardless of your alignment.
False. This "planning" is actually the argument p: the argument is "Rels voted Tumble when it was 2/2", so yeah the timing part of the vote is the argument. It would be true if I had suddenly voted Tumble over Superbia when nothing in particular happened. .But since my vote was motivated by an event happening in the thread, the argument doesn't prove anything anymore.
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Alright bros as much as I love us arguing who is scum when the real one is probably just AFKing and waiting for his lynch, I gotta go home. See you later (=
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On April 28 2016 01:23 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 01:20 Rels wrote:On April 28 2016 01:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Grrrrr...
Nobody says you planned it. But the fact is that it is a vite to save super at that point. I know it sucks if you are town but you can't defend yourself tthat regardless of your alignment. False. This "planning" is actually the argument p: the argument is "Rels voted Tumble when it was 2/2", so yeah the timing part of the vote is the argument. It would be true if I had suddenly voted Tumble over Superbia when nothing in particular happened. .But since my vote was motivated by an event happening in the thread, the argument doesn't prove anything anymore. No, it is not. You can just jump at an opportunity to save your buddy. Noone says you planned to vote someone else at a specific point in time or votecount. Don't be silly.
I thought SL's argument was that I voted at that specific point in votecount, this point being "2-2". If it's not then I want to know what is his argument.
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On April 28 2016 01:36 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 01:20 justanothertownie wrote:On April 28 2016 01:18 Rels wrote:On April 28 2016 01:14 sicklucker wrote:On April 28 2016 01:12 Rels wrote:On April 28 2016 01:08 sicklucker wrote:
like even when super was with me in my last scum game. I could tell he was going to paly like shit after carrying that pyp game.
Hes like really weird he will play a perfect scum game (hes beat me twice in final 3) then he will tottaly shit the bed next game. in some huge game imperial I think I busted him day one and he was so bad that i fake claimed cop or something trying to get him lynched.
And this was his third scum roll inarow... Ya its expected he was going to suck really. im sure super knew it and maybe would have mentioned it If this is true, this points at you being his partner and voting him early TBH. If he was feeling terrible, he would have known he needed to fakeclaim and Tumble or I would have bused him way harder, protected by the fact that he was going to fakeclaim. well I didnt bus super the game before... and he asked me to I cant make this shit up. Super wanted me to bus him all game but I went out of my way to keep him alive. Like this is something that acualy happened. I killed rstoulin for the specific reason that if she flipped scum super would look alot more townie and not get lynched. I said the logic in the third party qt if you think im making this up for any reason Sry that is a flawed logic. Just because in one game where Superbia didn't look super terrible you didn't bus him doesn't prove that in another game where Superbia looked terrible from the start you didn't bus him. And it's not even taking into account the fact that in that game Superbia was your only buddy and your jailkeeper. And the fact that super looked way less terrible in storm. i disagree no one thought he was town. He skated by because he pushed rstoulin who flipped mafia (because I targeted her for that reason) What he did do well that game is fight lynches that were on him. twice he was about to be lynched and he got it off by posting alot at the hour. the other 47 hours of the day he was pretty much a walking scum bucket
Bro you just said "it's highly likely Superbias asked his teammate to bus him from the start" in whatever terms you used, you cannot use that to defend yourself.
The situation is so different too:
- Superbia is storm tried a lot more and wasn't scumread a lot D1
- You two were 3P, busing him makes no sense 'cause it doesn't bring you towncred even if you're the reason he is lynched, you could still be scum trying to lynch 3P
- He swas your JK so you had even less incentive to bus him
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On April 28 2016 03:33 sicklucker wrote:
why cant I? I provided evidence where super asked me to bus him and I refused
I just listed 3 reasons
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On April 28 2016 03:36 sicklucker wrote:
Like I bus way less then the average person dispite what jat says. He was my scum partner the only time i ever really bussed. I cant actually think of a clean bus I ever did since then. and I really only bussed in that spot because I was the second wagon and there was no reason not too
It doesn't convince me that you, in a hypothetical situation where youre scum knowing you will be afk d1 and that superbia asks you to bus him, wouldn't afk your vote in him
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This case is so bad I will probably leave my vote on you today p: I will respond to it at some point when I have the time
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On April 28 2016 14:56 Tumblewood wrote:
Also he has clearly been pushing/testing the waters for an early game end (aka killing me before we have to, aka objectively suboptimal play that a townie should not be doing)
SL has also been joining in which has me worried
If you believe that is what's happening you didn't read the last few pages
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On April 28 2016 22:25 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 18:28 Rels wrote:On April 28 2016 14:56 Tumblewood wrote:
Also he has clearly been pushing/testing the waters for an early game end (aka killing me before we have to, aka objectively suboptimal play that a townie should not be doing)
SL has also been joining in which has me worried If you believe that is what's happening you didn't read the last few pages Maybe he is wrong about the order you 2 did that but in general he is right, no?
He is wrong.
On April 28 2016 23:29 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 07:38 Rels wrote:On April 27 2016 07:33 sicklucker wrote:
acualy rels never kills obi I think? obi was never voting rels in 100 years. rels would have killed fucking jat almost all hetime. im cool to vote tumble today acualy This is 100% true. No-lynching is always the better play here though, there is no drawback to doing it. - Rels, three posts before he votes me
Confirmed scum. I'm never removing my vote.
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On April 29 2016 00:56 Tumblewood wrote:
both Rels and sicklucker knowingly making a play that gives town less chance of winning
Can you not see that they're (one of the two, the other's just bad) trying to seal the deal early?
You panicking instead of seeing what's happening is pretty amusing (=
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On April 29 2016 01:10 sicklucker wrote:
##vote: no-lynch
Weird that you do not go until the 10 seconds before deadline like you say you would. There is no drawback to doing it even if you admited it earlier.
Me saying "never switching until the end" was a test to see if you would fall into your own trap, I'm not 100% set on Tumble even if he's my most likely by far.
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On April 29 2016 01:13 sicklucker wrote:
tumbleweed I jsut voted to save you. You would have been lynched with a 2-2 tie because me and rels voted to lynch you before you and jat voted no lynch. rels just said he was never changing so If I was scum here all I have to do is keep my vote on you and I win the game.
Ok so sicklucker is officially confirmed town we can move on with are lives. Hell i might even be the nk now. So now that you can focus on one person now tumble maybe you can not shit the bed
On the contrary, you not going for your plan until the end of the day shows that you are more concerned with your towncred than by solving the game. Unvoting at the last second would have made you confirmed town.
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On April 29 2016 01:17 sicklucker wrote:
like the 10 second plan has no purpose when I can elimate the mislynch pool by one. and I fucking told you the plan already so its bloody pointless...
I wanted to see how you would react by saying I would not move my vote. You immediately going to the "I'm confirmed" plan is suspicious. That does not make you scum but you could have been confirmed town
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In reality I had nothing to do this afternoon but I planned on answering the case tonight after seeing what happens at deadline. Since everything is done now I'll respond to it as soon as I can - IE when I get home.
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On April 29 2016 01:19 sicklucker wrote:
rels I just made your game really easy if your town. theres no reason for you to be mad here honestly.
unless your scum...
You're the one that seems mad honestly (= you have reasons to be. You could have been confirmed town by not chosing the easy route that scum would 100% take
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On April 29 2016 01:21 sicklucker wrote:lol are you trying to do everything you can to get lynched today? if so ty for making it a more fun game
The only reason I was still on Tumble after you clearly said your vote was a plan yesterday was to see how you react at EOD. There is no point to stay on him anymore.
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On April 29 2016 01:22 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 01:20 Rels wrote:On April 29 2016 01:19 sicklucker wrote:
rels I just made your game really easy if your town. theres no reason for you to be mad here honestly.
unless your scum... You're the one that seems mad honestly (= you have reasons to be. You could have been confirmed town by not chosing the easy route that scum would 100% take why would I be mad im confirmed town and made it winnable if your scum which I kind of think you are now
Because you are not (=
Like, after all you said yesterday, you cannot think I was really going to vote 100% Tumble until the very end if I was town. So when I went "never switching off Tumble", you should have went with it to see if I really meant it or not. That would have solved the game from your POV.
But instead you went for the towncred on your side, which is what scum!you would have done. Maybe town!you too. But that makes you unconfirmed unfortunately.
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On April 29 2016 01:24 sicklucker wrote:
"sure"
like your back to trying to keep the mislynch pool to two people instead of one its so obvious
Of course, it's LYLO.
If lynch is right now I still lynch Tumble 99%. But knowing how you play, it's super weird to me that you went for the towncred instead of for the trap
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Explain this to me sicklucker.
Let's say you are town. You see me going "never switching off Tumble".
1 - How do you not see that this is not true after admitting that your own vote is never going to stay on him ?
Now if I am town, it is a plan and I'm going ot unvote near deadline. If I am scum I might be tempted to win the game right there.
2 - Why did you not go with the flow and check what I do at deadline ? Why go instead for the towncred for you ?
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On April 29 2016 01:25 sicklucker wrote:
like you cant even argue there is scum motivation in what i just did. I literraly just have to lynch tumble as scum. Thats the easist goal to victory as a scum sicklucker so im now trying tp lynch you for?
Tumble still has not defended himself
That doesn't make sense.
Either:
- you didn't think my "never switching off Tumble" was true. In that case there is 0 towncred to be had because you know that Tumble is never lynched today. So you going for the "I'm confirmed" doesn't make sense.
- you though my "never switching off Tumble" was true. How could you think this after what happened yesterday ?
In both cases there is a problem in your logic. Which case is it ?
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You can call them "explanation 1" and "explanation 2". Which is it ?
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1 or 2
Quick I got to leave work p:
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Actually screw it it's super late
See you when I get home. First thing, answering the bad case. Then we can continue talking
Post "1" or "2" pretty please ^^
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On April 29 2016 01:33 sicklucker wrote:
I think you were never switching off tumble. that would be as town or mafia but idk why you would argue it here seems dumb just lynch tumble
This doesn't make sense. Ofc I would never vote Tumble when the best play is to no-lynch. You know yourself it is the best play. I'm not dumber than you. The only way I go with the Tumble lynch is if I'm scum, AND if you believed that you would have gone with the "10 seconds unvote" to see if I meant it or not
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On April 29 2016 01:34 sicklucker wrote:
you really expect me to believe you had the same plan as me? when thats your only play as mafia to keep me me lynchable in final 3? ya no
I don't care to keep you lynchable as scum when Tumble is this scummy. I don't know why you are even talking about that when you were 100% certain I was going to vote Tumble until the end 2 minutes ago
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On April 29 2016 01:37 sicklucker wrote:
Even after I brought it up I said I would still be open to lynching tumble today after reading him. only when I made it clear that too was also not true you changed your story
Yeah, and that made me think that as town you would go with the unvote before deadline if I said I would never unvote Tumble.
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On April 29 2016 01:38 sicklucker wrote:
like we already told jat and tumble in thread that we wre going to switch to no lynch at the last second. so there was acualy no value for doing it since WE TOLD THEM. THERE NOT GOING TO FALL FOR IT.
So I ask you again why were you still voting tumble?
IF THIS IS TRUE YOU ARE NOT CONFIRMED TOWN. SO WHY AER YOU CALLING YOURSELF CONFIRMED TOWN
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You say:
"I'm confirmed town becuase I unvoted Tumble when as scum I would lynch him becasue Rels would lynch him 100%"
AND
"Tumble was never getting lynched today"
THIS DOESNT MATCH CHOSE 1
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And I stayed on Tumble to see what you would do. I didn't know what you were going to do as scum, but if you had unvote 10 seconds before deadline you would be confirmed town. If you had not unvote you would be confitmed scum. If you had unvote before like you did it proves nothing.
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On April 29 2016 01:41 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 01:38 Rels wrote:On April 29 2016 01:37 sicklucker wrote:
Even after I brought it up I said I would still be open to lynching tumble today after reading him. only when I made it clear that too was also not true you changed your story Yeah, and that made me think that as town you would go with the unvote before deadline if I said I would never unvote Tumble. but i told my plan in thread? infact I even said it was my old plan. and that I changed my plan. I specificly said I had changed my plan to seeing if you would vote tumble after I voted tumble. Because your vote was a hammer and tiebreaker
On April 29 2016 01:41 Rels wrote:
And I stayed on Tumble to see what you would do. I didn't know what you were going to do as scum, but if you had unvote 10 seconds before deadline you would be confirmed town. If you had not unvote you would be confitmed scum. If you had unvote before like you did it proves nothing.
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lol you're so dumb I can't even be mad p:
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Reread the conversation if you think I'm tthe one trying to make you look bad
Becase you are the one doing that + saying you're confirmed ^^
You're so unbelievably obtus it's funny
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And if you're town you really have low standards for me. You think I really thought Tumble had a chance to be lynched today, regardless of my alignment, after you claimed your plan yesterday ? You played with me in several games, hell you played with me in PYP where it was super themed, you know I think a lot about every possible things.
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If anything this is a small scum indicator to you because I think as town you're not that dumb, you would have seen that my Tumble vote was not real, and called me out on that, or test me by unvoting at deadline. But if you're scum you saw the possibility to be confirmed town and didn't think of what you would have done as town.
I don't know it's so small it's probably not possible to judge your alingment on that.
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On April 29 2016 01:48 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 01:47 Rels wrote:
And if you're town you really have low standards for me. You think I really thought Tumble had a chance to be lynched today, regardless of my alignment, after you claimed your plan yesterday ? You played with me in several games, hell you played with me in PYP where it was super themed, you know I think a lot about every possible things. i left the option open. tumble has still not came into the thread to defend himself like at all... it was worth a shot for any scum really
You didn't leave the option open, you shut it down to claim that you were confirmed town.
That is what I'm saying from the beginning of this conversation bro.
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Alright I'm going home. I look forward defending to Tumble case 'cause I spotted so many things that were not true, it's going to be fun. ^^
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Before I do the defending, SL what parts of the case do you agree with ?
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On April 29 2016 01:47 sicklucker wrote:
im not even sure if you think im scum man so I dont know how I feel about wtf your saying. give me a read. how often am I scum? last we talked you were never voting me ever
The "never voting you ever" was exagerated to see how you would react. But it's not far from the truth, I don't think I'll vote you over Tumble. If this guy is town he has made the game easy for you.
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On April 29 2016 01:52 sicklucker wrote:
because if im confirmed town then tumble cant mislynch me. if things were going the way they were going you a very possible scum would have had the hammer. im not letting that happen bro
This is kinda fucked up but it also kinda make sense. IDK I'm way more interested by solving the game than by proving my townieness. But I did towncases on me before for kinda the same reasons you're saying, to solve the game for the other players.
I guess your vote really means nothing about your alignment then.
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On April 29 2016 01:54 sicklucker wrote:
you know how you look by just copying everything I did right? you were acualy getting mad at me yesterday telling me to go reread the game because I was keeping my reads close to my vest. and now aparently you were donig the same..
Like everything I did you countered like its so unlickly that its acualy true and more likely you just want to have 2 potential lynches in final 3 instead of one
Well, you started it by voting Tumble, I had to see if that was real or not. But my reads are all true, only I'm not never changing my mind like I said, but every reason I've said, I'm really thinking them.
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On April 29 2016 03:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 01:18 Rels wrote:On April 29 2016 01:17 sicklucker wrote:
like the 10 second plan has no purpose when I can elimate the mislynch pool by one. and I fucking told you the plan already so its bloody pointless... I wanted to see how you would react by saying I would not move my vote. You immediately going to the "I'm confirmed" plan is suspicious. That does not make you scum but you could have been confirmed town Bullshit.
No.
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On April 29 2016 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote:
hey jat how do you feel about everything thats happened in this game?
jat- its non alignment related really
but ya some unbiased opinions would be nice Rels reaction was weird. I mean it obviously did not make you confirmed town but why did he fight this so hard if he believes you are town anyways? Very strange.
Just because I think he's town doesn't mean I can't question him. I expected him to do one thing as town and he did another AND claim at the same time it confirmed him town.
I agree it didn't need the pages we spent on it though.
On April 29 2016 03:26 justanothertownie wrote:
"You could be confirmed town".
No, he couldn't. You explained why yourself....
I basically would have never considered him to vote if he unvoted seconds before deadline. I think the temptation to iwn the game right there is too strong
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On April 29 2016 03:33 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 03:31 Rels wrote:On April 29 2016 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote:
hey jat how do you feel about everything thats happened in this game?
jat- its non alignment related really
but ya some unbiased opinions would be nice Rels reaction was weird. I mean it obviously did not make you confirmed town but why did he fight this so hard if he believes you are town anyways? Very strange. Just because I think he's town doesn't mean I can't question him. I expected him to do one thing as town and he did another AND claim at the same time it confirmed him town. I agree it didn't need the pages we spent on it though. On April 29 2016 03:26 justanothertownie wrote:
"You could be confirmed town".
No, he couldn't. You explained why yourself.... I basically would have never considered him to vote if he unvoted seconds before deadline. I think the temptation to iwn the game right there is too strong Come on. You expect scum SL to believe you really keep your vote on tumble as town? If you don't then he couldn't have been confirmed town.
No. What I believe is that scum!SL never unvotes at the last second before deadline.
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And if you want me to stop talking about it, stop talking about it p:
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On April 29 2016 03:37 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 03:35 Rels wrote:
And if you want me to stop talking about it, stop talking about it p: I have a better solution. You talk about whatever you please and I point out if it does not make sense. Like this whole thing.
Well now that you know how SL could have been confirmed town I can move on to defend myself against the case then
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On April 29 2016 03:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 03:38 Rels wrote:On April 29 2016 03:37 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2016 03:35 Rels wrote:
And if you want me to stop talking about it, stop talking about it p: I have a better solution. You talk about whatever you please and I point out if it does not make sense. Like this whole thing. Well now that you know how SL could have been confirmed town I can move on to defend myself against the case then Like I said - he couldn't. But go ahead.
If he unvoted serconds before deadline - he was very very likely town.
If he didn'tr unvote - he was very very likely scum.
OK "confirmed" is not the right word but SL used that word first to describe himself.
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On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote:
why Rels is scum
and more things I should have said yesterday
His reads have hardly evolved since D1
D1 reads: Me as top scum, Super as likely scum, GB/JAS as maybe scum.
D2 reads: Super as lock scum, me as scum, JAS/Onegu as maybe scum.
D3 reads: Me as top scum, JAS/Onegu as maybe scum.
D4 reads: Me/Onegu as scum.
Why does this make him scum? Because town has fluid reads. Rels hasn't reacted organically to new information.
This is the opposite of the truth. I have suspected almost everybody in the game, but more than that my reads have evolved with every event that happened in the thread. And it's not only me who's saying it, here is rsoul's take on it:
On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote: This is how he reacted to me misremembering an rsoul post: + Show Spoiler [initial reaction on me] +On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your " OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though. So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too. On April 17 2016 05:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:37 Tumblewood wrote:
ok i am messing up in every way imaginable this game
i blame it on phoneposting and not rereading
and on trying to talk about things that happened a day ago that i don't really remember Not believable. ##Vote Tumblewood This is an unnatural way to react to such information. It's a very clean-cut case and should have a pronounced reaction, not an explanation of why it's scummy (not necessary) and a "not believable" (that wording just feels off to me, but maybe it's just confirmation bias).
Liar. You didn't "misremember" rsoul post, you explicitely talked about a post of her that didn't exist. This is something townie is very unlikely to do. This is how I caught a scum with his pants down in this game:
On July 20 2015 03:07 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 03:04 JonnyLaw wrote:
oh uhh...sure I don't know what I was thinking there to be honest. I was writing a quick post before I passed out after a late night. Apparently it's what I felt at that particular moment. We can debate this one line if that's what you want but I'd rather talk about someone important.
It's important for me. 'cause a townie would never forget the reason they posted something. You said your reason for posting the "relax" comment was: Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 02:47 JonnyLaw wrote:
I didn't say he was town I thought the "weird smilies" was just someone posting like they'd text or chat in a game. do you really have an idea what's going on that early in the game based on fucking smilies?
But the "weird smilies" thing was on plotspot, not FF. So you just made up a reason, instead of immediately saying that you had no reason. I think you're mafia for that. I don't know why you would invent a (false) reason to rescind it the post after.
On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote:His reaction to Super's blue claim: + Show Spoiler [blue claim reaction] + On April 17 2016 06:57 Rels wrote:Which one He sees Super claim "PR" right before being lynched, and asks which one. There's no evaluation of whether that means he's scum or town; he's not determining Super's alignment when he really should.
What did you expect a townie to do here ? Can you quote a reaction of a townie this game to prove your point ? Superbia's claim timing was exactly at the time where he would fakeclaim as scum, so I was suspicious of it.
On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote:
2. He's pressuring wagons regardless of his vote
D1: Rels keeps asking me questions after his initial scumread of me, and he adds his own reasons to the Superbia wagon, but he does not ever try to change the course of the lynch when it goes from me to Super to GB.
D2: 9 votes on Super. Pushing wasn't really necessary (not that Rels didn't do it).
D3: He's pressuring Shape but also doesn't want people to vote him over me, which is a total conflict of interest.
D4: He pressures me hard (arguably harder than Onegu) but keeps his vote on Onegu.
D1: Wrong, I tried to get you lynched. I was also OK with Superiba lynch though, especially with you not voting him.
D2: ???? I don't understand what you are saying here. I voted for the claimed scum D2 and didn't pressure you that much if I remember right.
D3: ???? If you read my filter you would see that I scumread you way more than him so I don't undersatnd what you are saying here.
D4: ???? wrong. I pressured you both.
On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote:
Why is this scummy? His votes do not reflect who he tries hardest to get lynched. If you want someone to get lynched on any one day (the indicator of this is who you are voting), you should push that person, but he does not push the person he is voting harder than the other wagons.
So this is all wrong as written above.
On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote:3. He jumped onto my wagon D1 for worse reasons than he had for Superbia+ Show Spoiler [superbia stuff] +On April 17 2016 04:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 21:28 Superbia wrote:
Want to call gumshoe mafia but 1st post tryhard is at most NAI for him. I don't understand your thinking there, 1st post is scummy and NAI at the same time ? On April 17 2016 04:05 Rels wrote:
Superbia's spamming spree is awful. The 1-line posts with random reads and no reasonning. Very different from what I expect from town!Superbia. On April 17 2016 04:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 21:55 Superbia wrote:
Actually why not.
##vote: rsoultin
Let's see what this brings. Jumping on the easy wagon too. Superbia might be scum His reasons for me were that I messed up, but his reasons for Superbia were that he was actually covertly scummy. Why is this scummy? A good player such as Rels should be able to determine what is alignment indicative and what is not, and he decided that a read based off of a tunnel-y focus and a fuckup was good enough to switch off of one based on how scum acts when they're actually trying not to get found out.
No. What you did was the scummiest thing done all game, apart from Superbia fakeclaiming and Superbia townreading Onegu for no reason. Townies do not make up reason to explain their behaviour.
On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote:4. PoEAssuming I am town, as has been the thread consensus since D1  (I'd be lying if I said this wasn't a big reason I think Rels is scum)
Can't arguee against that. Apart from saying that it's quite opportunistic that you tried to switch your target to SL yesterday, only to be back in full force to me right now when I'm your easiest target if you're scum. p:
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On April 29 2016 04:40 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 12:32 rsoultin wrote:
so yeah still not sure who is actually scum here :/ it's kinda hard cause most of the people who have been posting i have some (if in general pretty weak) reasons to townread
i think i favor lynching superbia/fazer
@fazer...if you're just new town, dude, let me help you out. you're probably not going to find anything that makes you think someone is super scum, especially if you've never played with any of us before. but if you don't talk about what you think, who might be scum, etc. we have no way of reading you. posting your thoughts/reads is actually more important for us figuring out your alignment than anything else
slight preference for superbia because i can see fazer just not knowing what to do in his first game. obviously this could come from first-time scum just as easily but yeah...superbia's drive-by not gonna post bit seems like it could come from burn-out...at the very least unless he's just not gonna be back for deadline there's no need to even post the excuse in the first place wtf you know that rsoul post that we've been talking about it's right here right goddamn here
hahahaha nice try ^^ I was freaking out
Here is your question to her
On April 16 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:
Do you think that "D1 is hard" is because Fazers is scum or because he's just a scrub?
this post you're quoting is AFTER your question so that couldn't be the reason of your question.
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On April 29 2016 04:53 Tumblewood wrote:
not quoting the post because I'd like to see it as I type this, but it should be obvious I'm responding to rels. each number is what rels says between the quotes.
1. you've hardly suspected anyone who was not a lynch candidate.
2. see my last post.
3. you were suspicious, but you had nothing to say at that point about his alignment. the only acceptable explanation for this is that you wanted him to prove it by hardclaiming, which is... eh, I guess that makes sense, but doesn't really help much.
4. if you wanted to get me lynched, you should have talked to people about that besides me. also, scumread != pressure.
5. ditto
6. neither does scum. there is no scum agenda for that. also see my last post.
7. I was frustrated with sl for tossing his vote around but never said I thought we should lynch him.
3. Show me what the other townie did that I did not do.
Everything else doesn't counter what I said.
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On April 29 2016 05:02 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. This is basically a claim. Great. Staying on GB then. Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:56 Palmar wrote:On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. nice, last minute "claim"
Yeah, so reacting to the claim. Like I did.
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On April 29 2016 05:02 Tumblewood wrote:
and yes it does counter what you said (except maybe 4.)
How so ? You admited 2 and 6 weren't true. And 1 is retarded, there is a reason why I scumread scum or scummy people the most - because they were scummy. I suspected JAT D2, gumshoe at the start of D1, I was wary of SL and rsoul for some time - I didn't push for tjeir lynches because they were townie eventually.
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On April 29 2016 05:08 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 05:03 Rels wrote:On April 29 2016 05:02 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. This is basically a claim. Great. Staying on GB then. On April 17 2016 06:56 Palmar wrote:On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. nice, last minute "claim" Yeah, so reacting to the claim. Like I did. -_- it's about how you reacted
My way of reacting to this claim doesn't make me scum. Me reacting at all is a town indicator 'cause partners are most likely to be careful about their partner's interactions. Stop BSing.
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The only thing that makes me scum this game is my D1 vote, because I voted the opposite wagon of the RB, who was town if you are town. Stop making points that are not scum indicative.
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gotta AFK for some time but I suppose it doesn't matter anyway ^^
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Yep doesn't look like it.
Gonna wait for deadline then go to sleep
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Actually I'm gonna sleep now
See you tomorrow (=
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Well, my best friend's dad just died, so I probably won't be there tomorrow at all 'cause we're going to drink a lot tonight, take a sleeping break, and resumes drinking a lot tomorrow. I was planning on rereading the whole game Saturday after another flip but that will have to wait for Sunday.
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TLDR don't expect another post from me until 12 hours before deadline. Unless drunk!Rels posts some BS in the thread, but don't listen to that guy he's drunk.
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Yeah this kill was logical
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It's not useful too
If sl is scum it is the normal kill
If tumble is scum he basically admitted he was going to kill jat yesterday
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I'm going out soon, as promised I will be here tomorrow to reread the game and answer stuff
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Wow almost 2 days since tumble last post. This guy is basically never posting unless he has to. I can't imagine voting sl over him, I would have to find a real scumslip to even consider that option
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Well I'm home early actually ^^ will eat / spend time with my GF then the great rereading will begin
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On April 29 2016 02:52 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 01:56 sicklucker wrote:On April 28 2016 14:56 Tumblewood wrote:
Also he has clearly been pushing/testing the waters for an early game end (aka killing me before we have to, aka objectively suboptimal play that a townie should not be doing)
SL has also been joining in which has me worried tumble if your posting the truth here then I should be confirmed town to you now. because you clearly believed rels was never changing his vote you're not truly confirmed town, but you might as well be because I'm not voting you over rels. you can't just do something and then tell us that it means you're confirmed town.
On April 29 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 03:03 sicklucker wrote:
I just did. and from your pov I should be so I dont know why your arguing it. I can understand rels arguing it over you let's be honest here: scum kills jat tonight, and then it's me vs rels with you as the hammer. there's no way in a million years that both I and Rels vote you tomorrow, so you get to gloat about how confirmed you are if you want. happy?
I didn't like those two posts at all. Tumble is way too sure of how things are going. SL is almost confirmed town when he was doubtful about sicklucker not that long ago. The NK wasn't a forgone conclusion too, unless he's scum then from his POV it is. If he thinks I'm scum, killing SL was a very possible option for me.
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SL I have a question which needs an elaborate answer.
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On April 30 2016 03:46 sicklucker wrote:
lvl 1 thinking is a rels mafia would nk me more. but not alot of value in that especially after I say it
SL I would like to know why you posted this.
If you really thought that, you should have posted this just before deadline in case you died ? By posting it way before deadline, if I was scum and saw that I could have changed my shot. If Tumble was scum he could have shot you to frame me. Or the opposite because WIFOM. All analysis that could be had from the NK was lost.
What was your motivation to post that ?
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On May 01 2016 07:42 sicklucker wrote:
I just say whats on my mind without much thought. its why people town read me
OK that explains it I suppose
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On May 01 2016 07:53 sicklucker wrote:
rels im voting you for now because in the scenerio where tumbleweed is afk town this way I hold the hammer in the event of a 1-1 vote tie. but consider my vote on him
this is completely logical and makes perfect sense to me but im sure you will get mad about it. dont overthink it. im just holding the hammer incase I read your filter and see mad scum slips or something. Town points that you didnt take it yourself tbh.
Because if your scum you see an afk town tumble. Theirs no reason you shouldnt snap vote tumble to hold the tie breaker here. But you didnt do it so your town or a really fucking dumb scum .
TBF if Tumble gets modkilled we can get a double kill
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Actually it"s a terrible idea since he can sneak a vote last second
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On May 01 2016 08:54 sicklucker wrote:
Also how would a double kill ever favor you. you know your town I dont get it
I was thinking about your POV.
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And if you would take the tiebreaker as town. But you would as either alignment
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Didn't end up rereading much 'cause I played rocket league, see you tomorrow to see if that's even worth it or if Tumble is still AFK. Going to sleep
##Vote Tumble
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On May 01 2016 09:00 sicklucker wrote:
sign this is not fun at all
Nope. TBF if he's scum, and he 99% is, rsoul & I caught him D1 and he was pressured since, it's understandable.
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On May 01 2016 16:53 Tumblewood wrote:
I didn't read anything on 163 (I assume it's mostly you too) but holy shit I'm actually hyped to play tomorrow. Although it's about one in the morning right now and I need to sleep, I'll get my game face on for tomorrow knowing that it really matters.
You're basically admitting you were fake AFK for 60 hours and only posted when you see you had a chance to not get lynched.
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sicklucker weren't you around when gumshoe JAT and I had this discussion about whether Superbia's vote and fakeclaim was making Tumble town ? It was discussed to death and JAT and I proved it didn't make Tumble town because at the time of the fakeclaim, it was a GB vs Superbia fight, regardless of the voting state
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I even asked you for your thoughts about it, that's the point of the game where you went "I will side with gumshoe because he's confirmed" instead of reading the post for yourself. p:
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Furthermore, Tumble never voted Superbia. Here is his reasonning for not doing so:
On April 18 2016 05:37 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 05:23 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 05:12 Tumblewood wrote:On April 18 2016 04:25 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 04:06 Tumblewood wrote:On April 18 2016 03:24 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 12:47 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2016 06:51 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 06:46 rsoultin wrote:
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okay so let's play a game here
you want me to treat you as confirmed town until your flip, then i want you to treat me as confirmed town as well
give me your other reads, with reasoning, and what questions you want me to answer that i've asked you for like 5 times already if you really want me to answer them jat is town jas is ??? but should be more apparent after he says who he is; giving him BotD superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one)palmar is null because he's not really out of his comfort zone i want to call rels and gumshoe scummy but that's mostly omgus sl is a 49 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saaying one slightly scummy thing gb is a 50 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothingonegu is a 51 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing of value ows is town because i like how he continued to townread me fazers is scummy but also new so maybe just a scrub tbh my reads are all based on spidey senses right now @tumble...super maybe scum=no vote as alternate wagon...gb exactly null=vote as alternate wagon care to explain? I was afraid of voting Superbia and him flipping green (not as a likelihood thing, but if he did I forecast my own mislynch for the next day). GB lynch happened at a point where several more townies had come out and defended me and attacked Superbia, so it felt, in a way, less risky. -squints at- i don't really understand this explanation what is the difference between you being lynched d1 or d2? until gb ninja-voted he was prob not getting lynched over super, yet you were still voting yourself because you were worried you'd be lynched d2 if super flipped town? so d1 is okay but not d2? explain the bolded like i'm 5. what is the significance of when the gb lynch happened and how was that less risky? Because at that point it was clear that voting a counterwagon was the difference between dying and surviving instead of dying d1 and dying d2.Of course, it turned out GB would have died without my help, but it still seemed up in the air at the time. why? when superbia was the counterwagon i thought i would for sure be lynched at some point when gb was the counterwagon it became apparent that maybe i wouldn't be lynched okay, so honestly, you're just really confusing me here. like you're not making sense and my first instinct is that should be scum but i think even scum would make more sense here, so i must just not be understanding @.@ it's as simple as...the wagons are between super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote super then the wagons are between gb, super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote one of them why would your scumread flipping town be worse than your null read flipping town? nononono when super was the counterwagon it wasn't "if i want to live i need to vote super", it was "if i don't vote super i die d1 if i vote super i die d2" then everyone left super for gb and people simultaneously said that i was town, so it became "if i don't vote gb i die d1 if i vote gb i don't die" like i got so entrenched in thinking i was going to die that i didn't even see superbia as a survival wagon, just a delay death wagon
This is so BS. The real explanation is simpler: they are partners and Superbia was RB.
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BTW SL the way you acted when you think you discovered something new is your absolute town tell. You just don't do that as scum
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Alright I gotta AFK for a few hours, will do some posts resuming why I am town and why Tumble is scum when I come back.
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Why Tumble is scum
1. Tumble lied about his thought process D1. Townie do not lie about their thought process or invent why they posted something.
That's going back to D1, but that's still the biggest point against him. Apart maybe from his activity pattern.
To resume, Tumble asked rsoul early in the game to commit on an opinion on Fazer. rsoul later asked Tumble why he wanted her to commit. Tumble explained with the following: he was suspicious of a rsoul post in which she was OK to lynch Fazers. This post exists, but is made AFTER Tumble's question. That means several things:
1 - Tumble lied about his thought process. He said his original question was made because of a rsoul post that wasn't made a the time. Townie can forget the reason they make posts; what they don't is make up reasons.
2 - The scum thought process is logical; rsoul DID make the post Tumble is talking about - but after Tumble's question. What happened is that Tumble caught up, read the post and noted rsoul was OK to lynch Fazer for little reason; then when asked about why he pressured rsoul into her Fazer read, he bring up the rsoul post.
Posts relevant to this (last post by rsoul sum up the situation):
+ Show Spoiler +On April 16 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:
Do you think that "D1 is hard" is because Fazers is scum or because he's just a scrub? On April 16 2016 12:32 rsoultin wrote:
so yeah still not sure who is actually scum here :/ it's kinda hard cause most of the people who have been posting i have some (if in general pretty weak) reasons to townread
i think i favor lynching superbia/fazer
@fazer...if you're just new town, dude, let me help you out. you're probably not going to find anything that makes you think someone is super scum, especially if you've never played with any of us before. but if you don't talk about what you think, who might be scum, etc. we have no way of reading you. posting your thoughts/reads is actually more important for us figuring out your alignment than anything else
slight preference for superbia because i can see fazer just not knowing what to do in his first game. obviously this could come from first-time scum just as easily but yeah...superbia's drive-by not gonna post bit seems like it could come from burn-out...at the very least unless he's just not gonna be back for deadline there's no need to even post the excuse in the first place On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your "OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though. On April 17 2016 05:10 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your "OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though. ...lol wow >< just wow okay yeah we can lynch tumble, or perhaps you'd like to try again and explain how you can see into the future and knew that i would later say i was okay with lynching fazer when you wrote this question
2. His activity pattern is scum indicative
Basically, he is very inactive lately. He has dropped off since the start of the game, which is something a lot of scum do. He only posts when he needs to. Example:
- during D4, his partner Onegu was lynched. He didn't post anything in the thread during the first 30 hours, but he ninja voted Onegu a few hours after the day start with no reasonning. Quotes:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2016 06:03 Tumblewood wrote:
but speaking of not playing the game i'm going to be gone until several hours after flips His post before the start of D4. On April 24 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
##vote: onegu Ninja vote. On April 25 2016 11:51 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 08:51 sicklucker wrote:On April 23 2016 04:45 ritoky wrote:Day 3 Vote Count Justanotherscummer: (5) Obiwanshinobi, sicklucker, Tumblewood, sicklucker, justanothertownie, gumshoe, OneguRels: (0) sickluckerOnegu: (0) gumshoeGumshoe: (0) OneguTumblewood: (3) Rels, Justanotherscummer, Onegu Not voting: (0)
Currently Justanotherscummer is set to be lynched until deadline. this is super interesting and once again points to onegu being mafia. First hes on jas to secure the mislynch. But then when he sees jas is lynched without him he switches to tumble. Now this could be to distance like shape likes to do or set up the next mislynch. But its pretty suspicous how onegus never on a mislynch this game. his vote for jas and then his switch to tumble WERE WITHIN A MINUTE. Thats pretty fucking damning tbh. What kind of town votes both wagons within 1 minute of each other with no explination? the only reasonable explanation is what I just came up with. He did it to set up the next day as scum Onegu did have an explanation though... kinda. This is when he voted Shape: Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 04:28 Onegu wrote:
I think I would rather kill Tumble here. Sheeping Rsoul seems like a plan... Shape has looked ok in these last few posts...
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##Vote: JustanotherScummer and then someone immediately points out that that makes no sense so the real weird thing is that his thought process was disconnected between his read and his vote. you know, the worst guide to mafia I ever read had freudian slips as a scumtell... Onegu may be the only validation for that. His first D4 post.
- during D5, where it was a no-lynch, he had only an handful of posts, the first on which was a case on me, which was super bad. It was done when in his previous posts, it looked like he wanted to see if he could get SL lynched, then was forced back to me.
- right now during D6, before his post earlier, he hadn't posted for 60 hours. He only posted when SL showed there was some possibility he could vote me. In his posts he also slips thazt he was fake AFK, 'cause he said "I will play now that I knoiw it really matters", IE he didn't post before BECAUSE he thought he would be lynched anyway. A townie does not do that, but fighting when you're the underdog as scum is very hard.
3. D1, he didn't vote Superbia to survive but switched to GB to survive
Superbia was RB, GB was VT. Tumble didn't the RB to survive even though he scumread him. BUT he voted the VT to survive even though he was null reading him.
Won't expand there because it has been discussed to death.
4. His reads are mostly unexplained or 1-line, with 2 exceptions.
This whole game, all of his reads have been shallowed. This is really different from what he's doing in other game I can't talk about. The two exceptions are:
- rsoul read. This one was super bad, riddled by bad reasons to scumread her. The worst part was when he scumread Superbia for being AFK; rsoul scumread Superbia for being AFK and having scum burnout; and Tumble
- the case on me. I responded to it, it was pretty bad and made after he realized he couldn't go for SL. No points made me scum apart from the no-voting Superbia, which is scummy from his POV if he's town. But even then he insisted less on the timing on the vote and more on "Rels reasons to scumread me over Superbia were bad" even though that is a fucking lie. rsoultin agreed reasons I had on both Superbia and Tumble and voted Tumble, she was town, why this makes me scum when a flipped town did it ?
5. Some NKs point at him, and all NKs are logical for scum!Tumble
First the NKs that do no point at Tumble, but are not town indicative either:
N1: Palmar hard scumread Superbia and is a great player, so it's logical he died.
N3: gumshoe was doc and hard scumread Onegu, so it's logical he died.
N5: JAT died. It's the logical kill for scum!SL or scum!Tumble. I would probably kill SL in that position if I was scum though, since JAT showed a lot of doubts and is a player that has a hard time lynching high profile players in general, contrary to SL.
These points at Tumble:
N2: rsoul died while hard scumreading Tumble. She was not the most townread person in the thread so a reason for her kill has to exist.
N4: OWS died. Neither scum!me or scum!SL would ever NK him when he showed the will to auto vote Tumble the day after. Both of us would have killed JAT.
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Why I am town
1. My reads have been fluid and has evolved with every event that happened in thread.
This is one of the way to catch me as scum. When I'm scum, after D1 where I freestyle the thread, I can take some time to react to certain stuff happening because I want to make plans and evaluate what I say - and I'm not the only one, it's well known that scums are in general more reactive than townies. But in this game I tried to see scum or town motivation behind every post I saw and asked questions when I saw something suspicious, which is my towntell. Again, see this rsoul quote:
On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
2. My activity pattern - I have been very active all the time
This is the other way to catch me as scum, and TBF it's linked point 1. Point 1 is for my reads, point 2 is for my activity. I have a hard time posting all the time because playing scum is fucking difficult. That is what caused my downfall in PYP; I started out super strong, then when everyone townreads me, I feared posting in the thread knowing I could blow my townieness with a bad post. I remarked Superbia did the same in PYP BTW, at the point where I was lynched in PYP I thought Superbia was scum because his activity pattern were the same as mine; posting a lot and being townie when present, but AFK for large portions of time.
This is not the case here. During week days, every morning or at least start of afternoon, I caught up, then was active all the day until I went to sleep. I reacted to every interesting post made while I was present, and I was present a large portion of the game. Only during certains weekends or specific days did I have an activity drop 'cause I was doing other stuff, and during my sleep ofc.
3. There are 3 kills that I would have never made as scum
N2: rsoultin. She hard townreads me (see point 1), she hard scumreads Tumble. If I'm scum trying to mislynch Tumble, killing her is basically playing against my wincon. I'm not a dumb scum who shoot for WIFOM; I kill people that are right.
N4: OWS. He said he would auto vote Tumble the day after. He meant it. OWS is not SL, he thought Tumble was 100% scum and was not doing anything else. Again, killing him instead of JAT or SL is playing against my wincon.
N5: JAT. This one is less town indicative but is still true. Both JAT and SL were doubtful about who they thought was scum. But JAT is known for having a hard time lynching a high profile player. Furthermore, SL showed more willingness to vote me over JAT before the kill happened. I would have never not killed SL as scum.
You can maybe explain ONE weird NK by WIFOM, but if I was scum I played very badly in regard to NK choices. And that is definitely not one of my scumtell - I'm a smart scum, go see PYP for an example.
4. I have been pushing the game forward and constantly trying to solve the game
This is the last point and is not very strong because I am a good scum, I can fake this one well. It makes me mad to see me being a lynch candidate with how involved I am but I understand the fear read.
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On May 02 2016 01:11 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 17:27 sicklucker wrote:On May 01 2016 16:53 Tumblewood wrote:
I didn't read anything on 163 (I assume it's mostly you too) but holy shit I'm actually hyped to play tomorrow. Although it's about one in the morning right now and I need to sleep, I'll get my game face on for tomorrow knowing that it really matters. ? im done playing dude im probably not gonna log on till 1 hour till vote to humor you.. You had fucking 90 hours shit Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 18:55 Rels wrote:On May 01 2016 16:53 Tumblewood wrote:
I didn't read anything on 163 (I assume it's mostly you too) but holy shit I'm actually hyped to play tomorrow. Although it's about one in the morning right now and I need to sleep, I'll get my game face on for tomorrow knowing that it really matters. You're basically admitting you were fake AFK for 60 hours and only posted when you see you had a chance to not get lynched. no i'm never fake afk, just didn't expect anything much to happen yesterday or the day before, because come on there are three people in this game what's going to happen in the first 60 hours that couldn't happen in the last 12
Why did you say "knowing it really matters" then ? Beucase it sounds like you thought it was worthless to post before, and after SL had a lot of posts on me being scum it mattered actually
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On May 02 2016 01:44 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 00:47 Rels wrote:Why I am town1. My reads have been fluid and has evolved with every event that happened in thread.This is one of the way to catch me as scum. When I'm scum, after D1 where I freestyle the thread, I can take some time to react to certain stuff happening because I want to make plans and evaluate what I say - and I'm not the only one, it's well known that scums are in general more reactive than townies. But in this game I tried to see scum or town motivation behind every post I saw and asked questions when I saw something suspicious, which is my towntell. Again, see this rsoul quote: On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me 2. My activity pattern - I have been very active all the timeThis is the other way to catch me as scum, and TBF it's linked point 1. Point 1 is for my reads, point 2 is for my activity. I have a hard time posting all the time because playing scum is fucking difficult. That is what caused my downfall in PYP; I started out super strong, then when everyone townreads me, I feared posting in the thread knowing I could blow my townieness with a bad post. I remarked Superbia did the same in PYP BTW, at the point where I was lynched in PYP I thought Superbia was scum because his activity pattern were the same as mine; posting a lot and being townie when present, but AFK for large portions of time. This is not the case here. During week days, every morning or at least start of afternoon, I caught up, then was active all the day until I went to sleep. I reacted to every interesting post made while I was present, and I was present a large portion of the game. Only during certains weekends or specific days did I have an activity drop 'cause I was doing other stuff, and during my sleep ofc. 3. There are 3 kills that I would have never made as scumN2: rsoultin. She hard townreads me (see point 1), she hard scumreads Tumble. If I'm scum trying to mislynch Tumble, killing her is basically playing against my wincon. I'm not a dumb scum who shoot for WIFOM; I kill people that are right. N4: OWS. He said he would auto vote Tumble the day after. He meant it. OWS is not SL, he thought Tumble was 100% scum and was not doing anything else. Again, killing him instead of JAT or SL is playing against my wincon. N5: JAT. This one is less town indicative but is still true. Both JAT and SL were doubtful about who they thought was scum. But JAT is known for having a hard time lynching a high profile player. Furthermore, SL showed more willingness to vote me over JAT before the kill happened. I would have never not killed SL as scum. You can maybe explain ONE weird NK by WIFOM, but if I was scum I played very badly in regard to NK choices. And that is definitely not one of my scumtell - I'm a smart scum, go see PYP for an example. 4. I have been pushing the game forward and constantly trying to solve the gameThis is the last point and is not very strong because I am a good scum, I can fake this one well. It makes me mad to see me being a lynch candidate with how involved I am but I understand the fear read. 1. why do you never quote your own fluid reads and instead just quote rsoul saying you have fluid reads? townies can be wrong, you know. 2. activity is never a strong reason 3. yeah I agree, your ows nightkill was a pretty stupid move and could cost you the game 4. lol at "I understand the fear read" wow I should become an attorney or something
1. Cause my argument is stronger if I show that a confirmed townie thought it too. It's not a mistake that she mentioned that specifically, in Drams I was scum, with SL actually p:, and rsoul got me right for partly that.
2. It is for me.
3. That is the thing - I do not make pretty stupid move, as either alignment.
4. OK.
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SL you know this in particular was talked about a lot as early as N1 p: reread N1 if you have time, rsoul & tumble talking mainly, maybe others like JAT
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On May 02 2016 02:53 sicklucker wrote:
idk tumble more or less just admitted he was not gonna play unless I did something stupid like vote rels
DO IT
JUST DO IT
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If I'm lynched here I'll be really mad. I almost got lynched in noir but I kinda deserved it, I didn't care for the game. Here I played well I think, unless SL is scum but that would mean that both SL tryharded a broke meta and Tumble played that badly. No way.
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gonna get some diner, see you after that
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Funny how you focus more on his interactions with his partners and I focus more on his actual gameplay
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Yeah you love that stuff p: but think about it from his POV. Even if you personally don't think it's alignment indicative, he slipped D1 by inventing a reason for a post that didn't exist. He was pressured all game since D1 because of that. Of course he will start to be inactive at some point, playing scum is hard, playing scum that is at risk of being lynched from D1 to LYLO is even harder.
And this is a pretty good thing too even though nobody talked about it:
On May 02 2016 00:19 Rels wrote:2. His activity pattern is scum indicativeBasically, he is very inactive lately. He has dropped off since the start of the game, which is something a lot of scum do. He only posts when he needs to. Example: - during D4, his partner Onegu was lynched. He didn't post anything in the thread during the first 30 hours, but he ninja voted Onegu a few hours after the day start with no reasonning. Quotes: Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 06:03 Tumblewood wrote:
but speaking of not playing the game i'm going to be gone until several hours after flips His post before the start of D4. Ninja vote. Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 11:51 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 08:51 sicklucker wrote:On April 23 2016 04:45 ritoky wrote:Day 3 Vote Count Justanotherscummer: (5) Obiwanshinobi, sicklucker, Tumblewood, sicklucker, justanothertownie, gumshoe, OneguRels: (0) sickluckerOnegu: (0) gumshoeGumshoe: (0) OneguTumblewood: (3) Rels, Justanotherscummer, Onegu Not voting: (0)
Currently Justanotherscummer is set to be lynched until deadline. this is super interesting and once again points to onegu being mafia. First hes on jas to secure the mislynch. But then when he sees jas is lynched without him he switches to tumble. Now this could be to distance like shape likes to do or set up the next mislynch. But its pretty suspicous how onegus never on a mislynch this game. his vote for jas and then his switch to tumble WERE WITHIN A MINUTE. Thats pretty fucking damning tbh. What kind of town votes both wagons within 1 minute of each other with no explination? the only reasonable explanation is what I just came up with. He did it to set up the next day as scum Onegu did have an explanation though... kinda. This is when he voted Shape: On April 23 2016 04:28 Onegu wrote:
I think I would rather kill Tumble here. Sheeping Rsoul seems like a plan... Shape has looked ok in these last few posts...
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##Vote: JustanotherScummer and then someone immediately points out that that makes no sense On April 23 2016 04:29 Onegu wrote:
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##Vote: Tumble
Yeah oops On April 23 2016 04:30 Onegu wrote:
Brainfart so the real weird thing is that his thought process was disconnected between his read and his vote. you know, the worst guide to mafia I ever read had freudian slips as a scumtell... Onegu may be the only validation for that. His first D4 post.
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Yeah, that's the same reason explaining why you are still alive and JAT died. You were maybe OK to lynch me over him for a long time until recently.
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Oh yeah I thought you were pumped and was happy to fight
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On May 01 2016 16:53 Tumblewood wrote:
I didn't read anything on 163 (I assume it's mostly you too) but holy shit I'm actually hyped to play tomorrow. Although it's about one in the morning right now and I need to sleep, I'll get my game face on for tomorrow knowing that it really matters.
On May 02 2016 01:37 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 01:17 Rels wrote:On May 02 2016 01:11 Tumblewood wrote:On May 01 2016 17:27 sicklucker wrote:On May 01 2016 16:53 Tumblewood wrote:
I didn't read anything on 163 (I assume it's mostly you too) but holy shit I'm actually hyped to play tomorrow. Although it's about one in the morning right now and I need to sleep, I'll get my game face on for tomorrow knowing that it really matters. ? im done playing dude im probably not gonna log on till 1 hour till vote to humor you.. You had fucking 90 hours shit On May 01 2016 18:55 Rels wrote:On May 01 2016 16:53 Tumblewood wrote:
I didn't read anything on 163 (I assume it's mostly you too) but holy shit I'm actually hyped to play tomorrow. Although it's about one in the morning right now and I need to sleep, I'll get my game face on for tomorrow knowing that it really matters. You're basically admitting you were fake AFK for 60 hours and only posted when you see you had a chance to not get lynched. no i'm never fake afk, just didn't expect anything much to happen yesterday or the day before, because come on there are three people in this game what's going to happen in the first 60 hours that couldn't happen in the last 12 Why did you say "knowing it really matters" then ? Beucase it sounds like you thought it was worthless to post before, and after SL had a lot of posts on me being scum it mattered actually I have a really hard time getting motivation to play mafia when I'm not really fighting, and before I saw that I had some real support I didn't think it was much of a fight, just thrashing and flailing until I died. Also I was not sitting in thread until I saw SL posting, I was really gone.
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TBF I do the same as scum. I'm like "yeah I can't do anything right now but I'll be there in XXX hour / days / minutes", then the time comes and I have no motivation to post BS stuff.
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On May 02 2016 06:41 Tumblewood wrote:
I kinda apologize to the town for not being townie like I should, but I also wish that town didn't always go for the path of least resistance. Like, this LyLo was largely decided by my activity and not by game logic. We shenannied GB for being AFK. We killed Shape for trying to do his best with an inconvenient schedule. Scum is almost never obvious but we keep acting like the obvious / easiest guy must be the one. Blah, it probably promotes better townplay, but there will always be scrubs and right now I'm a permanent path of least resistance and it sucks.
Martyring is easier than solving the game right ? ^^ Pretty ironic when you have 0 post about who is scum today. You haven't even voted.
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bro I'm sorry but if you're town we 100% deserve to lose. You have done nothing for maybe 80 hours.
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On May 02 2016 06:47 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 06:44 Rels wrote:On May 02 2016 06:41 Tumblewood wrote:
I kinda apologize to the town for not being townie like I should, but I also wish that town didn't always go for the path of least resistance. Like, this LyLo was largely decided by my activity and not by game logic. We shenannied GB for being AFK. We killed Shape for trying to do his best with an inconvenient schedule. Scum is almost never obvious but we keep acting like the obvious / easiest guy must be the one. Blah, it probably promotes better townplay, but there will always be scrubs and right now I'm a permanent path of least resistance and it sucks. Martyring is easier than solving the game right ? ^^ Pretty ironic when you have 0 post about who is scum today. You haven't even voted. WOW DAE TUMBLE ISN'T TRYING IN LYLO? GUYS I SMELL AN EASY LYNCH The game is solved, for me. I have 15 minutes, no motivation, and no audience to actually convince anyone that I'm town because the writing's on the wall. I will concede that you are a pernicious person to case
LOL so you have done nothing but you're still sure I am scum. Doesn't make sense.
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On May 02 2016 06:49 Tumblewood wrote:
Rels, you don't have to try and shut down my martyring. In a million years it's not convincing SL. Just AFK and the game ends the same.
IM ALWAYS DOUBTING BRO. I WANT TO WIN.
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On May 02 2016 06:52 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 06:48 Rels wrote:
bro I'm sorry but if you're town we 100% deserve to lose. You have done nothing for maybe 80 hours. It's about who's scum, not who "deserves to win/lose". You weren't in The Devil Inside Mafia, but the MyLo at the end was me/Trfel/rsoul (scum)/Breshke (afk lynchbait). I rationalized not voting for rsoul by telling myself that I'd feel really dumb giving Breshke an undeserved scum win. SL's probably not here though, so no one can stop rsoul 2.0.
I made a huge case about how you were scum that you didn't respond to.
Coming 10 minutes before deadline after being AFK all day martyring is something scum does, not town.
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On May 02 2016 06:57 sicklucker wrote:
rels at least I made you sweat yesterday enjoy your scum win
fuck are you bragging beforehands
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SL you got me. I got lucky Tumble didn't have time to play.
I played a super good game apart from D1 until your trap. I fell into it 100% and you should have lynched me.
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On May 02 2016 07:01 Tumblewood wrote:
GG Rels you out-efforted me
Anybody would p:
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GG hosts, clean and well hosted game. Opened the obs QT, there is a mention of "should have modkill Onegu"; I have no idea what you are tlaking about but I guess I'll see when I read it.
GG town, everybody played pretty well. Even Tumble up until the last days, where you deserved to be lynched 100% for this activity.
GG bronegu and supbarbro!
I made a mistake not shooting SL at some point. JAT would have never come as close to voting me as SL I think. SL was the reason I was so close to being lynched too even though I think I played a pretty good game until his trap - with huge blunders D1 though.
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On May 02 2016 07:05 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 07:01 Rels wrote:
SL you got me. I got lucky Tumble didn't have time to play.
I played a super good game apart from D1 until your trap. I fell into it 100% and you should have lynched me. And you started blatantly lying today too....
I lied all game though p: what are you talking about exactly ?
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Let's not talk about a current game folks
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SL did you really think Tumble was town at the very end ? Or was it just a "if you're town dude it's not my fault but I think you're scum" ? Cause him not talking all day but martyring so close to deadline shouldn't have changed anyone's read on him
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On May 02 2016 07:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 07:07 Rels wrote:
GG hosts, clean and well hosted game. Opened the obs QT, there is a mention of "should have modkill Onegu"; I have no idea what you are tlaking about but I guess I'll see when I read it.
GG town, everybody played pretty well. Even Tumble up until the last days, where you deserved to be lynched 100% for this activity.
GG bronegu and supbarbro!
I made a mistake not shooting SL at some point. JAT would have never come as close to voting me as SL I think. SL was the reason I was so close to being lynched too even though I think I played a pretty good game until his trap - with huge blunders D1 though. I think you are wrong. I was seriously considering you are mafia for the crap you posted during the nolynch cycle and my earlier analysis heavily pointed towards it aswell. It's the reason I really wanted to be nightkilled because I didn't eant to be in SLs spot.
Maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't have changed anything 'cause you would have 100% lynch TUmble given his last day. But you seem to have a hard time lynching a scum that is difficult to catch.
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On May 02 2016 07:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 07:13 Rels wrote:On May 02 2016 07:10 justanothertownie wrote:On May 02 2016 07:07 Rels wrote:
GG hosts, clean and well hosted game. Opened the obs QT, there is a mention of "should have modkill Onegu"; I have no idea what you are tlaking about but I guess I'll see when I read it.
GG town, everybody played pretty well. Even Tumble up until the last days, where you deserved to be lynched 100% for this activity.
GG bronegu and supbarbro!
I made a mistake not shooting SL at some point. JAT would have never come as close to voting me as SL I think. SL was the reason I was so close to being lynched too even though I think I played a pretty good game until his trap - with huge blunders D1 though. I think you are wrong. I was seriously considering you are mafia for the crap you posted during the nolynch cycle and my earlier analysis heavily pointed towards it aswell. It's the reason I really wanted to be nightkilled because I didn't eant to be in SLs spot. Maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't have changed anything 'cause you would have 100% lynch TUmble given his last day. But you seem to have a hard time lynching a scum that is difficult to catch. I call bs on that.
That's what I felt like during the no lynch day.
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On May 02 2016 07:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
a lot of spam from people this game but I wont be warning anyone except onegu.
I really like hosting but am bad at asking my cohost for help. sorry for that late daypost.
I'm bad at mafia so I won't make any commentary on the game other than LOL@gumshoe's medic claim post
My god that's what I wanted to talk about
It will take forever but I will find that lost because it was so funny kt deserved to be talked about post game
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During N3 in scum qt:
kill sl
We can still talk about it but it's the only target that is 100% not protected whoever the doc is. And if he's not doc, gumshoe is and we can kill him next night
Then:
On April 23 2016 08:52 gumshoe wrote:
Alright, I've given this some thought, Ima be blatant.
Whoever you are doctor, your not wifoming tonight, because you suck at it.
Night 1 palmer was a clear heal.
ether super was scum, and he was trying to set up a vig claim onto palmer with the scum shot (which is what happened) or he was town, and there was a good chance scum would let the mishot through, in which case you still heal him. If palmer lives through the night, you know super is rbd, which means palmer is scum. There was literally no reason not to go for it.
Palmer was such a blatant and obvious choice it is absolutely stunning you picked anyone else.
Night 2 the shot was clear as well.
Obi, sl, onegu, tumble, jas were all not getting shot, why? because ethier they were scum or they were patsies, and scum cant kill patsies because they need two mislynches AND ANYONE OF THEM MIGHT CLAIM. which is exactly what happened with obi
that leaves me/gum jat rels and rsoul, guess who was the least likely to get healed/townread from scums view out of that bunch? Also rsouls death threw renewed suspicion on tumble and she had a decent chance at being you doc, so that was a triple win.
Scum shots this game have been brain churningly straightforward, anyone else probally could have stopped them but it's not like we can give you advice so here we are at lylo and it is most certainly your fault. So tonight, your not gonna play, because evidently your bad at the dusk game, and your shit at the day one given how you let that jas lynch happen.
Your going to put your heal on me because I am the one who is going to win this for us.
I will unite this obtuse town and bring this scum team to their knees. I will light the flame, douse the nightmare, shutter the doom, repel the terror. I will do all this with your aid, or we will all perish together.
Trust me, I'm the loudest.
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.........Shitty jat fact 1490231: Jat once brokered peace with the scum team by marrying off his irl daughter to Koshi, the godfather. Today their union is a happy one, this bothers jat for reasons he does not rightly comprehend...
My reaction:
kill gumshoe
Lol
Gumshoe, you played well even though I have no idea how your reasons for scumreading me made me scum, but that post was super obvious
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On May 02 2016 08:05 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 05:13 gumshoe wrote:On April 19 2016 05:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Announcement
The doctor may not save themselves.
The doctor may save the same person multiple nights in a row. pshhhhh I fucking know that : P http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25607110GG all, Rels's super defensive talk kind of gave it away for me at the end.
My god
So obvious
So so so so obvious
We're very very dumb
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Wow he really just said it like that
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I replied to that too im pretty sure
So dumb
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On May 02 2016 08:13 gumshoe wrote:
yeah, i made that post cause I figured I was dead anyways 100 percent because of that fucking slip (meant to pm)
figured it was worth a shot XD but yeah, was pretty obs,
rels, I scum read you mostly because I figured tumble was town from his day 1. You were mostly just process of elimination / :
Hahaha that is hilarious :D
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On May 02 2016 08:15 justanothertownie wrote:Yeah, that's why I thought he is the medic if SL isn't. How can you guys miss that? ^^ You're a bastard btw. I read the scum qt. Your "putting suspicion on JAT" thing worked btw. (not in the game - but you convinced rayn/obs that you were really towny and I HAD to be mafia with it!).
Why am I a bastard ? And yeah I wanted to get you lynched in your own game but I pussied out when everybody hard townread you
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On May 02 2016 08:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 08:26 Rels wrote:On May 02 2016 08:15 justanothertownie wrote:On May 02 2016 08:08 Rels wrote:
I replied to that too im pretty sure
So dumb Yeah, that's why I thought he is the medic if SL isn't. How can you guys miss that? ^^ You're a bastard btw. I read the scum qt. Your "putting suspicion on JAT" thing worked btw. (not in the game - but you convinced rayn/obs that you were really towny and I HAD to be mafia with it!). Why am I a bastard ? And yeah I wanted to get you lynched in your own game but I pussied out when everybody hard townread you You just answered your own question.
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Lucky rayn wasn't playing right :p
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Bro you got me even before that, when you did that trap where you voted Tumble I thought you really meant it and voted Tumble myself; then I lost myself in explanation and contradicted my story a few times, which is something I don't do as town and ironically was attacking Tumble for p:
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But you have no regret to have. Tumble was the right lynch 100% here. He was kinda scummy all game and this last few days were 100% scum indicative. I disagree with ritoky "the guy is gonna be low activity no matter what, not a good metric to judge him", this wasn't "low activity", he literally did nothing this last day apart from posting BS in a few separate occasions, one of those occasion promlising work later he didn't do AND that was just after you said you would lynch me so it looked super opportunistic. Then he came 10 minutes before deadline and martyred. 100% scum right there, never not lynching.
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On May 02 2016 17:38 sicklucker wrote:
well.. it had nothing to do with his activity. it had everything to do with him refusing to vote his scum read who flipped roleblocker while at the same time they both decided to vote to save each other voting with there scum reads.
so randooomm
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Not voting Superbia to survive when he scumread him was extremely weird
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On May 02 2016 18:28 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 02 2016 17:38 sicklucker wrote:
well.. it had nothing to do with his activity. it had everything to do with him refusing to vote his scum read who flipped roleblocker while at the same time they both decided to vote to save each other voting with there scum reads.
so randooomm That was what JAT did aswell. + he tried to argue it makes him town. + he tried to argue he didn't actually say that when he got called out of it. Nope. I did not argue my vote made me town. I DID argue that my interactions with super made me town which was 100 % true. The only thing I later said is that it doesn't make me CONFIRMED town. Seriously dude. You made a bad read/let scum fool you with bullshit. No way or need to defend it with even more bullshit.
Bro that "JAT is town because of his interactions with Superbia" from gumshoe was super bad because I would have done the exact same if I was active when he posted that bad post on Palmar. It didn't make you town, any good scum would bash his partner when he made that awful post. I was pretty helpless when gumshoe was convinced you were confirmed town for this reason when I knew it was BS but I didn't dare arguee about it when you were actually town.
I thought you were pretty townie though, not for that reason, but for being there all the time and moderating things that were said in the thread and calling the BS.
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rayn I'm curious why did you think Onegu was town ? You mentioned a post that was pretty smart I think ?
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On May 02 2016 18:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 18:35 Rels wrote:On May 02 2016 18:28 justanothertownie wrote:On May 02 2016 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 02 2016 17:38 sicklucker wrote:
well.. it had nothing to do with his activity. it had everything to do with him refusing to vote his scum read who flipped roleblocker while at the same time they both decided to vote to save each other voting with there scum reads.
so randooomm That was what JAT did aswell. + he tried to argue it makes him town. + he tried to argue he didn't actually say that when he got called out of it. Nope. I did not argue my vote made me town. I DID argue that my interactions with super made me town which was 100 % true. The only thing I later said is that it doesn't make me CONFIRMED town. Seriously dude. You made a bad read/let scum fool you with bullshit. No way or need to defend it with even more bullshit. Bro that "JAT is town because of his interactions with Superbia" from gumshoe was super bad because I would have done the exact same if I was active when he posted that bad post on Palmar. It didn't make you town, any good scum would bash his partner when he made that awful post. I was pretty helpless when gumshoe was convinced you were confirmed town for this reason when I knew it was BS but I didn't dare arguee about it when you were actually town. I thought you were pretty townie though, not for that reason, but for being there all the time and moderating things that were said in the thread and calling the BS. Bro, you even said it would be a good idea for super to go after palmar in the scum qt. And no, I certainly would not treat my scum partner this way.
I thought that when gumshoe made this huge post about Superbia being town for going on Palmar. Doesn't change the fact that I would have pressured him for that post if I was active when it was posted. I did actually, but it was later, after he was out of the thread.
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lol this fight p:
rayn commited to his reads so it's pretty unfair to call him out when it's like impossible to have solved the game D2 and from the obs QT, so without being able to pressure people into the things he called out to see if they are true or not
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On May 02 2016 18:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 18:42 Rels wrote:On May 02 2016 18:38 justanothertownie wrote:On May 02 2016 18:35 Rels wrote:On May 02 2016 18:28 justanothertownie wrote:On May 02 2016 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 02 2016 17:38 sicklucker wrote:
well.. it had nothing to do with his activity. it had everything to do with him refusing to vote his scum read who flipped roleblocker while at the same time they both decided to vote to save each other voting with there scum reads.
so randooomm That was what JAT did aswell. + he tried to argue it makes him town. + he tried to argue he didn't actually say that when he got called out of it. Nope. I did not argue my vote made me town. I DID argue that my interactions with super made me town which was 100 % true. The only thing I later said is that it doesn't make me CONFIRMED town. Seriously dude. You made a bad read/let scum fool you with bullshit. No way or need to defend it with even more bullshit. Bro that "JAT is town because of his interactions with Superbia" from gumshoe was super bad because I would have done the exact same if I was active when he posted that bad post on Palmar. It didn't make you town, any good scum would bash his partner when he made that awful post. I was pretty helpless when gumshoe was convinced you were confirmed town for this reason when I knew it was BS but I didn't dare arguee about it when you were actually town. I thought you were pretty townie though, not for that reason, but for being there all the time and moderating things that were said in the thread and calling the BS. Bro, you even said it would be a good idea for super to go after palmar in the scum qt. And no, I certainly would not treat my scum partner this way. I thought that when gumshoe made this huge post about Superbia being town for going on Palmar. Doesn't change the fact that I would have pressured him for that post if I was active when it was posted. I did actually, but it was later, after he was out of the thread. Yes, when I had already done that.
That is my point bro p: I would have done what you did if I was in thread when that Superbia post was posted.
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On May 02 2016 18:38 Rels wrote:
rayn I'm curious why did you think Onegu was town ? You mentioned a post that was pretty smart I think ?
rayn answer me ^^
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Shape EOD1 was the scummier of any player apart from Superbia himself. It was an easy lynch to push
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This:
On April 22 2016 22:28 Rels wrote:Oh yeah I forgot JAS really didn't implicate himself during D1 lynch. He posted this 2 hours before deadline: Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 04:54 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Alright, time to go to work. Next post is 1h20 later: Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:18 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Yeah, Something came up, and thou will not have time most likely from now to lynch. The people I feel towny vibes from are: Rels Gum A bit form Rsoul Fine lynching: Super, Tumble to a degree maybeeee Palmar On April 17 2016 05:51 Tumblewood wrote:ows: not even now? impressive jas who are you really and what reactions are you going for + Show Spoiler +don't lie you know you're going for reactions I am not going for reactions. And I will reveal who I am after a quick glance at your filter. Then finally he starts posting stuff only 12 minutes before deadline, and only an handful of posts: + Show Spoiler +On April 17 2016 06:48 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:24 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 06:18 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Yeah, Something came up, and thou will not have time most likely from now to lynch. The people I feel towny vibes from are: Rels Gum A bit form Rsoul Fine lynching: Super, Tumble to a degree maybeeee Palmar On April 17 2016 05:51 Tumblewood wrote:ows: not even now? impressive jas who are you really and what reactions are you going for + Show Spoiler +don't lie you know you're going for reactions I am not going for reactions. And I will reveal who I am after a quick glance at your filter. Excitment! Why do you still scumread Palmar when so many people has told it is NAI ? Eh, I still find it sort of sus. yet, I acknowledge that time will tell. On April 17 2016 06:50 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway
if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now Alright, I am spilling the beans here. I am shapelog, And i know that you always vote for the survival wagon as town. On April 17 2016 06:57 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
You still are way off tumble then what you feel like and i know as towntumble On April 17 2016 06:58 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Might just be me though.
If both his partners were up for lynched, that would explain why it was so hard for him to do anything near deadline. Mm he voted on Tumble though. Actually he voted 2 minutes before deadline, at a time when it was clear GB was lynched, and if not GB Superbia. Then after the flip he disappeared for 24 hours. Yeah his attitude near EOD1 is very scum indicative.
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On May 02 2016 18:56 justanothertownie wrote:
People just shouldn't join 2 games at the same time unless they are ABSOLUTELY sure they can deal with it. It really had a big influence on this game overall.
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I did it once and I got mislynched for it. Don't know how people do it on a regular basis. Unless they are in vacation with nothing else to do.
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On May 02 2016 18:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 18:56 Rels wrote:
Shape EOD1 was the scummier of any player apart from Superbia himself. It was an easy lynch to push I think tumble not voting his counterwagon is a lot worse than what shape did even though that was weird too. But had we lynched tumble before shape this argument wouldn't have been used so much.
Yeah that is true actually. Both of their EOD1 were scummy
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OMG JAT I REMEMBERED THE FUNNIEST THING
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On April 15 2016 23:55 Rels wrote:He might be town. He had this idea of Palmar being suspicious for X, I & others tell him X is NAI, he is like "OK" but still wants to defend his idea: Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 22:51 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 15 2016 22:45 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 22:39 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 15 2016 22:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Are you slam? Sadly no, however, perhaps we share a secret bondage of blood and DNA. Hmmm, Do i smell with nose? On April 15 2016 22:31 justanothertownie wrote:On April 15 2016 22:28 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Also, pulling shit out of his ass with the random percent.
Since when have the most splendid of players decided to just randomly do that? Perhaps I have missed a cultural change on Teamlqiuid, since I last played. So when DID you last play? Because I have been playing for a few years now and this is typical Palmar. Can you explain why you think doing that is scunmy in general? I think it was a year ago or so. I forget which game in particular (Or i might just be saying that, to avoid giving my identity out, wittiness protection program and all that), but he was active and trying to find things out. And then as scum he was lazying his way though the game. As for why I think that is scummy, it mostly has to do with the time stamps (almost 7 hours). I feel like he could of already have a comment on something, yet he does not. It appears almost that he is masking his existence by those posts, Much as I am masking my identity behind this smurf. Don't you think what he did was kinda blatant? So if he is trying to mask anything he is doing a pretty poor job at it. Minus being noticed by the other chaps before I commented on it. Sometimes, the most obvious of masks, are simply a common idea, of a which the person wearing the mask thinks of. But I am slowly turning into my cousin V, so i digress from the mask talk. It's a townie process. He could be a strong scum and fake it but it's town indicative.
On April 15 2016 23:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Mafia instinctively defend their points to not look like they are making up bullshit.
On April 16 2016 00:04 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 23:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Mafia instinctively defend their points to not look like they are making up bullshit. OK that could also be the case actually.
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On May 02 2016 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:
What? The faked mindmeld?
Nah I'm not proud on that one. And it didn't get me as much towncred as I thought it would.
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BTW nobody can say Superbia played well but I thought this was pretty cool:
I think I may do
"If I'm the vigi I'm shooting Palmar.
If I'm the doctor I'm saving Gumshoe."
1 hour before EoN.
To affect PR actions during the night. That may clear up the way for KP on Palmar.
I think no doc ever protects Palmar after that post. Or at least it's less likely. This BS theory of "he's keeping options open" was so bad though, ofc he will claim doc D2. p:
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On May 02 2016 19:05 justanothertownie wrote:Totally called it btw: Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:28 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your " OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though. So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too. It is actually not impossible at all. The question is how likely it is. But let's see his defense.
Well, his defense being "yeah I messed up", it wasn't very convinced. =D
I would definitely tunneled him into oblivion if I was town for this. Way harder than I did here actually, I was happy to keep him until LYLO to have an easy scumread to push all the time. No way I wouldn't have him killed D3 as town.
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On May 02 2016 19:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 19:07 Rels wrote:On May 02 2016 19:05 justanothertownie wrote:Totally called it btw: On April 17 2016 05:28 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your " OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though. So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too. It is actually not impossible at all. The question is how likely it is. But let's see his defense. Well, his defense being "yeah I messed up", it wasn't very convinced. =D I would definitely tunneled him into oblivion if I was town for this. Way harder than I did here actually, I was happy to keep him until LYLO to have an easy scumread to push all the time. No way I wouldn't have him killed D3 as town. Exactly. I think I mentioned that I was extremely weirded out by you not pushing for tumble over onegu on day 4 (?). From your perspective that didn't make any sense. Still in my experience stuff like this comes from townies all the fucking time.
You were 100% right, me busing Onegu was a little obvious actually. But I feared that if I was pushing Tumble while having Onegu as my #2 scumread, I would also be obvious partner trying to get Tumble lynched while scumreading his partner just in case. IDK it was a hard situation and I chose the easy way.
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On May 02 2016 19:31 Palmar wrote:
I am sorry that I didn't kick and scream to lynch superbia day 1.
If a person claims blue to save himself ALWAYS, ALWAYS lynch him. It is always the right play.
Lol that is 100% wrong bro, especially when town knows all existing roles
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Palmar are you proud of me ? I learned from my mistake! I didn't let you live long enough to fuck me like in pyp!
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Btw what were the doc targets ?
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GB wasn't a real coinflip, there was some indicator that he could be scum too. He was a good D1 lynch.
Shape & Tumble were scummy at some points, especially EOD1.
Fazer was a perfectly fine vig shot, 100% coinflip I think unless your name is SL or ritoky + super inactive, that is what vig are for.
No mislynches were bad IMO.
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rsoul you know who were the doc targets ? You said he almost protected you N2 I think p: but what about the other nights ?
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On May 03 2016 15:13 Fecalfeast wrote:N1: rels N2: rsoul Rels N3: rels sicklucker
That's why I felt so protected p: TY!
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