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On April 20 2016 02:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 00:57 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:47 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:39 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:36 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:27 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:23 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:15 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 23:56 justanothertownie wrote:
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What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?
In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative.
Your angle hrte It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense. I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted: On April 18 2016 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:
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There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants. Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you. Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you. If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you. No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread. Nope. It's like you have 0 idea how this game works. IF super is mafia AND puts in the needed effort and I see that we can maybe save with the obtained town sentiment him THEN I maybe make a post like that. NOT when everything points towards him getting lynched anyways and I am just making myself look like a fool. I am acting exactly like a townie who does not KNOW superbia is mafia and makes sure he knows he can still salvage this if he really tries to. Which is something every townie should do because mislynching an uncced medic in an open setup is mighty retarded. There is 0 scum motivation and a lot of town motivation for what I have done. Meh. Will have to reread this later with a clear head because the more you arguee this is proving you are town when it's clearly NAI at best and probably scum indicative actually, the more I want to lynch you. You will not lynch me bro but don't let me stop you from trying. This whole retarded argumentation makes it way more likely for YOU to be mafia. Logical player my ass. You didn't refute anything I brought up. You are the one not responding directly to what I'm saying. Your read on Superbia is overexplained and you repeated why you are scumreading him and why doc should not claim. You also left him outs to tryhard, he can't be saved if doc cc but he can make the doc cc. Now you're saying all of this actually makes you town. Bullshit. This is not a strong scum indicator, I'm not calling you slam dunk scum, yet you're reacting and OMGUSing like you are about to get lynched. AH, so the backpedaling begins. My read is not overexplained. I talked to people who said different things explaining why my way to proceed is better. I left him outs to tryhard because THAT IS WHAT EVERY TOWNIE SHOULD BE DOING - how can you even argue something this retarded? This is never a "scum indicator". You are basing everything around him being confirmed mafia when he just isn't - which is suspicious btw. I am OMGUSING because you are normally one of the smarter people here but what you are saying is utter bullshit over and over again. I know I am not getting lynched this game. I am considering him 99% scum at this point. If that was your point then this post was useless: Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote:
we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort. Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment. And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming. So much explanation to someone agrees with you with what to do.
It's like you are being intentionally obtuse. No, rsoultin did not say the same I did. She said it wouldn't matter to lynch super because he is useless anyways due to the rb. Which is completely wrong since theoretically he is still a confirmed townie without a cc which we shouldn't ever lynch without mafia taking the 1v1 by ccing. I corrected that. Was is absolutely necessary to do so since she was doing the same I did by trying to lynch him anyways? Maybe not. Is it scummy in the slightest? Absolutely fucking not.
On April 20 2016 02:30 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 01:00 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:51 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:50 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:44 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:38 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe). This is something I need to check. Will reread stuff once it's confirmed Superbia is scum. You need to check a lot of things. When there is an unanimous wagon lynching mafia you never ever ever ever base your reads on how people treated said mafia on that day. This is how you lost to shapelog in storm. People doubting the guy being mafia or giving him outs in a situation like that are almost never his buddies because they know he is going down and try to get their sweet buscred. It is highly irritating that I have to explain something easy like this to you. Bro if you're town I undersatnd you can be bias. But don't call yourself town over something that obv does not make you town. Not talking about the D1 interactions BTW, maybe this actually makes you town. But your Superbia read doesn't. It is not even a goddamn read. I said all day that I think he is mafia. All day1 too. So did I, but you're still calling me a potential scum. Can't have it both ways bro
Where is your logic this game?
Of course I can have it both ways. Calling super mafia doesn't make anyone town or mafia (especially not today). I never said I was confirmed town because I called him mafia at some point. But you made it seem like I had any other read on him which is a pretty bad misrepresentation.
No, I am not good at reading Onegu because usually he doesn't provide anything that can be read.
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On April 20 2016 03:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:03 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 02:29 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:57 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:47 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:39 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:36 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:27 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:23 justanothertownie wrote:
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Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you.
If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you. No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread. Nope. It's like you have 0 idea how this game works. IF super is mafia AND puts in the needed effort and I see that we can maybe save with the obtained town sentiment him THEN I maybe make a post like that. NOT when everything points towards him getting lynched anyways and I am just making myself look like a fool. I am acting exactly like a townie who does not KNOW superbia is mafia and makes sure he knows he can still salvage this if he really tries to. Which is something every townie should do because mislynching an uncced medic in an open setup is mighty retarded. There is 0 scum motivation and a lot of town motivation for what I have done. Meh. Will have to reread this later with a clear head because the more you arguee this is proving you are town when it's clearly NAI at best and probably scum indicative actually, the more I want to lynch you. You will not lynch me bro but don't let me stop you from trying. This whole retarded argumentation makes it way more likely for YOU to be mafia. Logical player my ass. You didn't refute anything I brought up. You are the one not responding directly to what I'm saying. Your read on Superbia is overexplained and you repeated why you are scumreading him and why doc should not claim. You also left him outs to tryhard, he can't be saved if doc cc but he can make the doc cc. Now you're saying all of this actually makes you town. Bullshit. This is not a strong scum indicator, I'm not calling you slam dunk scum, yet you're reacting and OMGUSing like you are about to get lynched. AH, so the backpedaling begins. My read is not overexplained. I talked to people who said different things explaining why my way to proceed is better. I left him outs to tryhard because THAT IS WHAT EVERY TOWNIE SHOULD BE DOING - how can you even argue something this retarded? This is never a "scum indicator". You are basing everything around him being confirmed mafia when he just isn't - which is suspicious btw. I am OMGUSING because you are normally one of the smarter people here but what you are saying is utter bullshit over and over again. I know I am not getting lynched this game. I am considering him 99% scum at this point. If that was your point then this post was useless: On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote:
we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort. Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment. And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming. So much explanation to someone agrees with you with what to do. It's like you are being intentionally obtuse. No, rsoultin did not say the same I did. She said it wouldn't matter to lynch super because he is useless anyways due to the rb. Which is completely wrong since theoretically he is still a confirmed townie without a cc which we shouldn't ever lynch without mafia taking the 1v1 by ccing. I corrected that. Was is absolutely necessary to do so since she was doing the same I did by trying to lynch him anyways? Maybe not. Is it scummy in the slightest? Absolutely fucking not. It is a little. You just had to correct rsoul on that we shouldn't lynch Superbia in every possible case. It's small, but you're a good scum player. I won't let you carry this game if you're scum. If you're town you will have to play to your max. Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:03 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 02:30 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 01:00 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:51 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:50 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:44 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:38 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe). This is something I need to check. Will reread stuff once it's confirmed Superbia is scum. You need to check a lot of things. When there is an unanimous wagon lynching mafia you never ever ever ever base your reads on how people treated said mafia on that day. This is how you lost to shapelog in storm. People doubting the guy being mafia or giving him outs in a situation like that are almost never his buddies because they know he is going down and try to get their sweet buscred. It is highly irritating that I have to explain something easy like this to you. Bro if you're town I undersatnd you can be bias. But don't call yourself town over something that obv does not make you town. Not talking about the D1 interactions BTW, maybe this actually makes you town. But your Superbia read doesn't. It is not even a goddamn read. I said all day that I think he is mafia. All day1 too. So did I, but you're still calling me a potential scum. Can't have it both ways bro Where is your logic this game? Of course I can have it both ways. Calling super mafia doesn't make anyone town or mafia (especially not today). I never said I was confirmed town because I called him mafia at some point. But you made it seem like I had any other read on him which is a pretty bad misrepresentation. No, I am not good at reading Onegu because usually he doesn't provide anything that can be read. You actually did exactly this. Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe). So when it concerning you, you say "JAT is never mafia with Superbia", but when it's about me it's "JAT could be mafia with him so it doesn't prove Rels is never mafia with him". It doesn't match.
Learn to read. I said my interactions make it very unlikely for me to be mafia. That does not equal "I called him mafia so I can't be mafia".
If you are town you are being a fucking idiot because things like this are mafia basics and yet you obviously fail to grasp anything this game. The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town.
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On April 20 2016 03:18 Rels wrote:
It's annoying to go on with this without Superbia's flip. As I said let's drop the first part for now. I want an answer to the second part though 'cause it has nothing to do with Superbia. It really doesn't match, you actually said two different things about how you should be read based on your interaction with a scum. First you say "never mafia / mafia", then you say "I'm not confirmed town".
Oh, so we are arguing semantics now? That seems like a very productive angle to go for.
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On April 20 2016 03:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:20 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 03:18 Rels wrote:
It's annoying to go on with this without Superbia's flip. As I said let's drop the first part for now. I want an answer to the second part though 'cause it has nothing to do with Superbia. It really doesn't match, you actually said two different things about how you should be read based on your interaction with a scum. First you say "never mafia / mafia", then you say "I'm not confirmed town". Oh, so we are arguing semantics now? That seems like a very productive angle to go for. I don't care about semantics. If you think treating a scum like you did is "confirmed town", then you think that. If you think it is "it does not make me confirmed town", then you think that. But you cannot think the two things at the same time, yet you wrote both of those things. It indicates that you could be bullshitting. The difference for you is that you treated Superbia "stronger" than I did right ?
This is so idiotic. I never said I was confirmed town. I said and in an OBVIOUSLY exaggerating way that my interactions with Superbia are very unlikely to come from mafia/mafia. I find it very hard to believe that you don't understand something that simple.
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On April 20 2016 03:26 Superbia wrote:
Last chances.
No way. If you are town this is on you.
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On April 20 2016 03:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:29 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 03:25 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 03:20 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 03:18 Rels wrote:
It's annoying to go on with this without Superbia's flip. As I said let's drop the first part for now. I want an answer to the second part though 'cause it has nothing to do with Superbia. It really doesn't match, you actually said two different things about how you should be read based on your interaction with a scum. First you say "never mafia / mafia", then you say "I'm not confirmed town". Oh, so we are arguing semantics now? That seems like a very productive angle to go for. I don't care about semantics. If you think treating a scum like you did is "confirmed town", then you think that. If you think it is "it does not make me confirmed town", then you think that. But you cannot think the two things at the same time, yet you wrote both of those things. It indicates that you could be bullshitting. The difference for you is that you treated Superbia "stronger" than I did right ? This is so idiotic. I never said I was confirmed town. I said and in an OBVIOUSLY exaggerating way that my interactions with Superbia are very unlikely to come from mafia/mafia. I find it very hard to believe that you don't understand something that simple. OK. I'll see if they are really different from mine when I reread them tomorrow then. If they are the same you should be considering me unlikely scum too. If they are not I'll admit you were right, I saw that you cared a lot about that. p:
They are completely different.
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On April 20 2016 03:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town. BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that.
There are only 2 options:
1) You are doing exactly this.
2) You are misrepresenting me and calling me mafia for things that don't make anyone mafia as town. Forgive me for having my doubts about that.
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On April 20 2016 03:44 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:41 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 03:37 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town. BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that. There are only 2 options: 1) You are doing exactly this. 2) You are misrepresenting me and calling me mafia for things that don't make anyone mafia as town. Forgive me for having my doubts about that. 3) You are scum and you're angry I caught you over something so simple
Even if I was mafia 2) would still apply.
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On April 20 2016 03:48 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 03:44 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 03:41 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 03:37 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town. BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that. There are only 2 options: 1) You are doing exactly this. 2) You are misrepresenting me and calling me mafia for things that don't make anyone mafia as town. Forgive me for having my doubts about that. 3) You are scum and you're angry I caught you over something so simple Even if I was mafia 2) would still apply. Case in point ^^ Now let's shut it down unless I reread your interactions after Superbia's flip.
Shutting it down would be better for you regardless of your alignment. Agreed.
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On April 20 2016 03:53 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:44 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 03:41 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 03:37 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town. BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that. There are only 2 options: 1) You are doing exactly this. 2) You are misrepresenting me and calling me mafia for things that don't make anyone mafia as town. Forgive me for having my doubts about that. 3) You are scum and you're angry I caught you over something so simple yous a derp rels, a big ol / : derp. I'll ask you the same question I asked tumble (I will be assuming super is scum for this question, as this whole argument is predicated on that and you insist on having it before the flip so there ya go) If jat is scum, then he must have okd the shot on palmer in order to give supers vig claim weight. if so, why did he immediatly shoot that possibility down? Show nested quote +Ok, I assume the vig shot fazers. Everything else would make me quite mad.
Superbia claims with his first post today. better yet, why did he go through with it in the first place? If he was scum, wouldn't he realize that shooting the same guy that super claimed he would kill would make no sense and would hurt his position far more than just a flat doc claim at the start of the day? Did he not realize fazzers had a good shot of dying? It's ether a terrible oversight, or a flat out terrible play. Something I dont think ether of you would let go through.
There is also the possibility that mafia just accepted that superbia was going down today and killed Palmar because a) he is a good player and their attempt to mislynch him while he was away failed b) he was an unlikely medic save.
Palmar dying is not a reason to read me anything.
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On April 20 2016 04:00 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 03:53 gumshoe wrote:On April 20 2016 03:44 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 03:41 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 03:37 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town. BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that. There are only 2 options: 1) You are doing exactly this. 2) You are misrepresenting me and calling me mafia for things that don't make anyone mafia as town. Forgive me for having my doubts about that. 3) You are scum and you're angry I caught you over something so simple yous a derp rels, a big ol / : derp. I'll ask you the same question I asked tumble (I will be assuming super is scum for this question, as this whole argument is predicated on that and you insist on having it before the flip so there ya go) If jat is scum, then he must have okd the shot on palmer in order to give supers vig claim weight. if so, why did he immediatly shoot that possibility down? Ok, I assume the vig shot fazers. Everything else would make me quite mad.
Superbia claims with his first post today. better yet, why did he go through with it in the first place? If he was scum, wouldn't he realize that shooting the same guy that super claimed he would kill would make no sense and would hurt his position far more than just a flat doc claim at the start of the day? Did he not realize fazzers had a good shot of dying? It's ether a terrible oversight, or a flat out terrible play. Something I dont think ether of you would let go through. There is also the possibility that mafia just accepted that superbia was going down today and killed Palmar because a) he is a good player and their attempt to mislynch him while he was away failed b) he was an unlikely medic save. Palmar dying is not a reason to read me anything. wrong, palmer dying throws suspicion onto super. as why would scum shoot the guy super claimed he was going to kill? unless they knew he was never going to kill him. Ie, scum knows supers not vig, how, cause supers scum. Hence why scum shot palmer without fear. it outright makes no sense unless they were trying to pass it off as a vig shot. It was so very derp and I dont see a player like your rels letting that slip
If super is mafia they know the vig won't shoot Palmar therefore I am not sure I am following your logic. If super is mafia they also knew that he will have to claim medic and not vig in almost every possible scenario anways. The only way he could survive another day fakeclaiming vig is if they rb the vig n1.
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On April 20 2016 04:03 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 03:58 Rels wrote:
Sry gumshoe but I don't think your "vig kill" theory is likely. Palmar is a strong player and he got shot, maybe it was because of your plan which would mean the scumteam are complete idiots, and maybe he was shot because he is a strong player and nothing can be assumed about the scum team. I am asserting the scum team are complete idiots. ok. follow along I am going to make this really fucking simple super claims. Scum has no idea what he is if super is town. Super says hes going to shoot palmer if super is not scum, why would scum shoot plamer thereby risking 2 kp on one target considering palmer was going to possibly die anyway?the only explanation is scum knew that super wouldnt vig shoot palmer. They only way they could know that is if super is scum. therefore, shot onto palmer=completely outing super. is that so very complicated?
They could also just rb super which is what they probably did if he is town. So since noone else would make that shot they knew they weren't risking 2 KP. Alternatively like I said earlier it is entirely possible that mafia decided superbia was basically dead already and didn't think about anything like that when making their kill.
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I am starting to understand your thought process though. I disagree with your conclusion but it makes sense.
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On April 20 2016 04:09 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:
I am starting to understand your thought process though. I disagree with your conclusion but it makes sense. Please explain then 'cause I don't undersatnd
Just read his post. If you still can't follow the thought process you will have to be more specific.
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On April 20 2016 04:12 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 04:07 Rels wrote:
Yeah I don't follow. Let's assume Superbia is scum. Why do you assume Superbia wanted to maybe claim vig ? JAT is right in that the only claim he can make is doc. thats not the key bit. imagine your the scum team. Super is claiming hes going to shoot palmer, you dont know if hes the vig or not. Though he did claim, so you cant rule that out. So why would you shoot palmer if super said he was going to do that? By shooting palmer scum reveal that they were not afraid of double shooting the same target. Hence revealing that super is scum (cause thats the only way they could rule out that not happening) the only reason to shoot palmer would be to back supers vig claim. as for super, why claim your shot and heal that early? Only makes sense if he was trying to call a hit to gain cred, and if he was, why would scum hit that target? How did they know they werent wasting a vig mishot?
The mistake you are making is that you ignore the fact that mafia can (and will) just rb superbia if he is town.
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On April 20 2016 04:16 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 04:08 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 04:03 gumshoe wrote:On April 20 2016 03:58 Rels wrote:
Sry gumshoe but I don't think your "vig kill" theory is likely. Palmar is a strong player and he got shot, maybe it was because of your plan which would mean the scumteam are complete idiots, and maybe he was shot because he is a strong player and nothing can be assumed about the scum team. I am asserting the scum team are complete idiots. ok. follow along I am going to make this really fucking simple super claims. Scum has no idea what he is if super is town. Super says hes going to shoot palmer if super is not scum, why would scum shoot plamer thereby risking 2 kp on one target considering palmer was going to possibly die anyway?the only explanation is scum knew that super wouldnt vig shoot palmer. They only way they could know that is if super is scum. therefore, shot onto palmer=completely outing super. is that so very complicated? They could also just rb super which is what they probably did if he is town. So since noone else would make that shot they knew they weren't risking 2 KP. Alternatively like I said earlier it is entirely possible that mafia decided superbia was basically dead already and didn't think about anything like that when making their kill. not true, going into night 2 there were several people who thought tumble more scummy then super, one more kill before his lynch was not that farfetched. The shot killed all chance of that. Also if they rbed him, and he was thier mislynch, why would they kill palmer, thereby giving him a half decent vig claim? Shooting palmer knowing that super might do just that for them makes no sense unless it was to give him a possible claim. As soon as super flips, this could very well stop being speculation and turn over to fact / : at which point it would be best to assume that were not dealing with a super great scum team.
Superbia does never survive another day because before that happens there will always be a cc and he gets lynched. And like I said there is more than enough reason to kill Palmar regardless of superbia.
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On April 20 2016 04:17 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 04:12 gumshoe wrote:On April 20 2016 04:07 Rels wrote:
Yeah I don't follow. Let's assume Superbia is scum. Why do you assume Superbia wanted to maybe claim vig ? JAT is right in that the only claim he can make is doc. thats not the key bit. imagine your the scum team. Super is claiming hes going to shoot palmer, you dont know if hes the vig or not. Though he did claim, so you cant rule that out. So why would you shoot palmer if super said he was going to do that? By shooting palmer scum reveal that they were not afraid of double shooting the same target. Hence revealing that super is scum (cause thats the only way they could rule out that not happening) the only reason to shoot palmer would be to back supers vig claim. as for super, why claim your shot and heal that early? Only makes sense if he was trying to call a hit to gain cred, and if he was, why would scum hit that target? How did they know they werent wasting a vig mishot? The mistake you are making is that you ignore the fact that mafia can (and will) just rb superbia if he is town. why do that if hes going to kill plamer for them? the only way they rb him is if they feel they cant read him, as missing out on a vig miskp is a pretty shitty loss for scum.
True, but if he is town he is probably trying to WIFOM mafia with that statement. They can't risk that.
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On April 20 2016 04:20 Rels wrote:
OK I see it. You're saying the scum team is dumb because they shut down all the chances of Superbia being believable after the kills.
bingo
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On April 20 2016 04:24 gumshoe wrote:
but yeah let me boil this down as much as possible.
1: super claims hell kill palmer if hes vig, heal me if hes doc
2: if super is town, scum have little reason to doubt these two claims as they line up with his reads,
3: scum shoot palmer, the guy that super could very well be killing. this demonstrates no fear of doubling kp but also shows that scum are not afraid of giving super an out by actualizing his shot onto palmer. Which means if super is town, they may have just given him something he can use to save himself.
tldr scum are neither afraid of giving supers claim authenticity or missing out on a second miskp. Which means they know exactly what super is going to do because hes scum.
2: Is just plain wrong since they knew super knew there is a roleblocker so they would never allow him shooting Palmar if Palmar was mafia. So super needs to make them think he will shoot town if he is town to get his shot off.
Unrelated to this an argument could be made that this points towards superbia being mafia because he just said he would shoot the guy he called scum all the way
3: Super as town doesn't need them to give him anything to save himself. He will always save himself due to his claim without a cc from mafia. They won't trust him shooting Palmar so they will always rb him.
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On April 20 2016 04:26 Rels wrote:
? You're proving Superbia is scum here, when your original point was that the scumteam was dumb.
Yeah, kinda.
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