EPTA normal game just for JAT <3 - Page 175
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justanothertownie
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Rels
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On April 15 2016 23:55 Rels wrote: He might be town. He had this idea of Palmar being suspicious for X, I & others tell him X is NAI, he is like "OK" but still wants to defend his idea: It's a townie process. He could be a strong scum and fake it but it's town indicative. On April 15 2016 23:59 justanothertownie wrote: Mafia instinctively defend their points to not look like they are making up bullshit. | ||
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Rels
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On May 02 2016 19:00 justanothertownie wrote: What? The faked mindmeld? Nah I'm not proud on that one. And it didn't get me as much towncred as I thought it would. | ||
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justanothertownie
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raynpelikoneet
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I don't remember anymore tbh.  | ||
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justanothertownie
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On April 17 2016 05:28 justanothertownie wrote: It is actually not impossible at all. The question is how likely it is. But let's see his defense. | ||
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Rels
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I think I may do "If I'm the vigi I'm shooting Palmar. If I'm the doctor I'm saving Gumshoe." 1 hour before EoN. To affect PR actions during the night. That may clear up the way for KP on Palmar. I think no doc ever protects Palmar after that post. Or at least it's less likely. This BS theory of "he's keeping options open" was so bad though, ofc he will claim doc D2. p: | ||
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justanothertownie
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On May 02 2016 19:05 Rels wrote: BTW nobody can say Superbia played well but I thought this was pretty cool: I think no doc ever protects Palmar after that post. Or at least it's less likely. This BS theory of "he's keeping options open" was so bad though, ofc he will claim doc D2. p: Yes, nothing he did after the claim was really believable. He could have made the doc cc had he put in some effort but apparently he didn't want to. Well, somewhat understandable if you have scum burnout. | ||
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Rels
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Well, his defense being "yeah I messed up", it wasn't very convinced. =D I would definitely tunneled him into oblivion if I was town for this. Way harder than I did here actually, I was happy to keep him until LYLO to have an easy scumread to push all the time. No way I wouldn't have him killed D3 as town. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On May 02 2016 19:07 Rels wrote: Well, his defense being "yeah I messed up", it wasn't very convinced. =D I would definitely tunneled him into oblivion if I was town for this. Way harder than I did here actually, I was happy to keep him until LYLO to have an easy scumread to push all the time. No way I wouldn't have him killed D3 as town. Exactly. I think I mentioned that I was extremely weirded out by you not pushing for tumble over onegu on day 4 (?). From your perspective that didn't make any sense. Still in my experience stuff like this comes from townies all the fucking time. | ||
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Rels
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On May 02 2016 19:09 justanothertownie wrote: Exactly. I think I mentioned that I was extremely weirded out by you not pushing for tumble over onegu on day 4 (?). From your perspective that didn't make any sense. Still in my experience stuff like this comes from townies all the fucking time. You were 100% right, me busing Onegu was a little obvious actually. But I feared that if I was pushing Tumble while having Onegu as my #2 scumread, I would also be obvious partner trying to get Tumble lynched while scumreading his partner just in case. IDK it was a hard situation and I chose the easy way. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On May 02 2016 19:14 Rels wrote: You were 100% right, me busing Onegu was a little obvious actually. But I feared that if I was pushing Tumble while having Onegu as my #2 scumread, I would also be obvious partner trying to get Tumble lynched while scumreading his partner just in case. IDK it was a hard situation and I chose the easy way. I know. You wouldn't have as town though ^^ | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On May 02 2016 18:48 justanothertownie wrote: *day3 And I am not calling him out for being unable to solve the game since obviously noone had done so at that point in time. But he ranted and ranted about how something completely nai makes me "100 % scum" and how he would always lynch me for it while townreading both mafia. When clearly it did not make me mafia and everyone besides him was easily able to see it. It just means he would always be terrible. You know, the difference between us is that when i know there is 2 mafia left in the game i don't call like 6 people "possible mafia". I think 2, max 3 are "possibly" mafia, and even if i don't necessarily hard townread other people based on their actions i call them town because the scummy people look more scummy. Yeah, i completely misread Rels after the first half of D1, and i know why i tend to do that, especially when i am not in the game myself. I honestly don't remember a single post Onegu made after D1 so effectively i had no clear read on him - especially after D2. I thought Shapelog was mafia because he literally just made up a read on Palmar on D1. There is no way a townie should do that, smurfing or not (which is why smurfing is so fucking terrible -- people actually do that as town...). It honestly doesn't matter what your interactions with Superbia were. The fact is that regardless of your interactions you scumread him, refused to vote for him over some random person on D1, then called a vigishot on someone else aside him despite telling that you think he is with over 50% certainty scum (when Fazers was clearly just null and nothing more -- especially compared to his play - or lack of it - on D1). Then you tried to argue somehow your interactions with Superbia make you town (yes that's literally what you said in thread), when your actions regarding Superbia speak 100% otherwise. Yes, i was wrong, but still, i would 100% lynch anyone who does that, especially if it is a player of your caliber. That is just terrible play -- if it is coming from town. I thought Tumble was scum for what rsoultin said about him (after rsoultin died), and i though rsoultin was scum because he did realize the shit on Tumble but didn't realize the same sort of shit on JAT (and the weird read progression on GB on D1 i couldn't make any sense out of it). I obviously know where i went wrong on her. I thought everyone else was town. | ||
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Palmar
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If a person claims blue to save himself ALWAYS, ALWAYS lynch him. It is always the right play. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On May 02 2016 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: It honestly doesn't matter what your interactions with Superbia were. The fact is that regardless of your interactions you scumread him, refused to vote for him over some random person on D1, then called a vigishot on someone else aside him despite telling that you think he is with over 50% certainty scum (when Fazers was clearly just null and nothing more -- especially compared to his play - or lack of it - on D1). Then you tried to argue somehow your interactions with Superbia make you town (yes that's literally what you said in thread), when your actions regarding Superbia speak 100% otherwise. Yes, i was wrong, but still, i would 100% lynch anyone who does that, especially if it is a player of your caliber. That is just terrible play -- if it is coming from town. The bolded is why what you are saying is so terrible. Of course it matters. Like the rest of my play which was easy townread by everyone else. To adress your points: I did not refuse to vote superbia at all. I was about to vote him (literally had it typed out) after I said I would sheep Palmar on him. He then claimed a role and barring a cc it is always the correct play not to lynch him then. There is nothing wrong with that. I did call for a vigshot on him. I retracted that later and said we should shoot in the lurkers/unknowns instead. True. Which is also the correct play since you would have to be 100 % sure superbia is mafia to call a shot on him here. And there is no way to be THAT sure. Lynching him day2 and giving the real doc a chance to cc if needed is way better than to handle this in the nightphase. This is always the correct way to proceed. If you 100 % lynch anyone who does that then you are 100 % wrong and terrible on top of it. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On May 02 2016 19:31 Palmar wrote: I am sorry that I didn't kick and scream to lynch superbia day 1. If a person claims blue to save himself ALWAYS, ALWAYS lynch him. It is always the right play. No, it is not. Wtf. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On May 02 2016 19:31 Palmar wrote: I am sorry that I didn't kick and scream to lynch superbia day 1. If a person claims blue to save himself ALWAYS, ALWAYS lynch him. It is always the right play. Usually yes. Even more telling was his approach to N1, whereas he -- as town, would have chosen to take a route of "tricking mafia" by unclaiming (which will never work) instead of playing properly and proving he is town before he gets shot. If lynching him D1 was 100% the correct play, shooting him on N1 was 275% the correct play.. | ||
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