TL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3

On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote:
Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).

Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.

On March 24 2016 08:20 gumshoe wrote:


Who are you agreeing with?

On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote:
Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).

Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.

On March 24 2016 08:00 gumshoe wrote:

Beetlejuice

On March 24 2016 08:29 Superbia wrote:


Do you think I'm town?

On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours.

On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours.

On March 24 2016 08:42 Superbia wrote:


Okay. Did you reach this conclusion before you made the first post in this quote chain?

This one
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On March 24 2016 08:47 Superbia wrote:


I am not VT.

On March 24 2016 08:39 Superbia wrote:


Explain your mindset behind this post.

- Why do you feel a need to defend gumshoe? You have him as null.

- If not defending, why did you make this post? What's the point behind it?

On March 24 2016 08:51 Superbia wrote:


Might still be VT. But I'm claiming I'm not.

On March 24 2016 08:53 Superbia wrote:


Do you think it being trolly or not is alignment indicative for anyone in any way?

On March 24 2016 09:12 Superbia wrote:


I didn't care for the troll part reply really. I disliked his early try-hard post so I pushed on it to see where it went. Made up the "troll" mind-set mismatch as being alignment indicative (it really is not) to give more juice to the push.

- Like SL for joining. (Good townies need to start placing down votes earlier so we can get more information when gum flips or gets checked at some point.) Actually did not get that much info from it.

- It feels kind of hard to evaluate gum's response, feels like pressuring him further will do nothing. Also I start to lose momentum when I pressure people too much because it feels like I'm being an asshole. He starts off leaning mafia for me this game.

- Dislike your soft-defense on gum. You did see through the part that was bullshit so slightly 'yay' for that, but based on the reads list you gave me you shouldn't have been questioning me like that. Rather: you should have had me at null/leaning-mafia and be evaluating me based on the "wait, that's not really trolling" or whatever part you feel is alignment indicative (this is what you're saying you're doing). But you had me as pretty much your towniest person at that point (lean-town, but whatever, pretty much everyone else was lower) even though you seemed to have doubt on my push.

So what was your town-read on me about?

On March 24 2016 09:54 Superbia wrote:
Town
Slam
Shapelog

Leaning town
Sicklucker
Lightningstrike
Ritoky (slight)

Leaning mafia
gumshoe


Something like that. Feel like I'm forgetting someone. Rest is null. Actually not 100% confident in my reads atm (90%) but might be because I'm tired.

On March 24 2016 22:33 Superbia wrote:
rso/rels what's your read on me.

Damdred why are you reading me town?

On March 24 2016 22:35 Superbia wrote:
Also why are people reading koshi town?

On March 24 2016 22:38 Superbia wrote:
Has Koshi been hyperactive? He has been active at 2 points in the game. At the very start of the day where he made a single post, and a rant about a flipped townie.

On March 24 2016 22:58 Superbia wrote:
Rels, talk to me.

What do you think of rso? Feels like the two of you are getting friendly pretty quickly in this thread. Do you feel like you're both the same alignment?

On March 24 2016 23:10 Superbia wrote:
I think I recall lightningstrike being kind of waffly and not willing to commit his vote but still kind of scum-leaning gum? Am I correct in this?

On March 24 2016 23:13 Superbia wrote:


Oh hey, you show up when I call you possibly mafia.

I don't like that.

On March 24 2016 23:43 Superbia wrote:


Nice. I like it.

On March 24 2016 23:45 Superbia wrote:


Why?

On March 24 2016 23:47 Superbia wrote:


Which ones, specifically?

On March 24 2016 22:28 rsoultin wrote:


@.@

really? cause i can buy doing this just to be a dick to palmar but i don't buy in a million years that rit of all people thought that his play was good or that he was achieving anything with it

like seriously >< i can look up which post was like duh duh duh obv what he was doing before he even claimed what he was doing when half the game hadn't even posted yet, but it definitely caught my eye

like, i've seen vivax do this sort of play with...oneg maybe?...i think in assassination, and it still wasn't terribly solid but he at least was being subtle enough about it and then using it to inform his reads that it was obvious that he at least was town making a play, even if the reads he was getting were unreliable

but the way rit did it absolutely never ever achieves anything here. like literally scum wouldn't even need the vt role name or whatever to see it if they had two brain cells to rub together, and the fact that rit has reversed his story now to say that no he was seriously trying to form a town circle with that? i call bs -_-

so seriously, what the fuck are you seeing that i'm not, damdy?

(tbf i agree on koshi though lol >< him stumbling all over himself was hilarious <3)

also obv it was slam and there's another obv that i'm not going to feed him ^^

-pokes at rels- hihi

oh, i think koshi asked about the ls read? it's basically the haha you high? type attitude when ls first gets scumread lol >< and no just cause someone says they're gonna change their play doesn't mean that you just throw out everything you know about them @.@ how many times have i said i'm gonna try to stop spamming?

On March 24 2016 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
eh, fuck it, i don't respond to terrorists ^^

##vote ritoky

nh, super, dude, losing patience @.@ "reactive" obv means emotional posting and i have a hard time seeing how you wouldn't have an idea on koshi after you've been around this long

On March 24 2016 23:54 Superbia wrote:
Okay, maybe I need to await slam's explanation and evaluate from there. I'm still with ritoky as being town.

On March 24 2016 22:56 Superbia wrote:
I also have no idea how people are evaluating slam as being non-town.

On March 25 2016 00:01 Superbia wrote:


Is it? Mafia loves to pile on easy townreads. At some point everyone will figure out their own meta and adapt. It's always good town play to be wary. My point was logical and valid, albeit possiblY irrelevant for Koshi's alignment. The fact remains that the meta-reads on Koshi so far CAN be called careless, and that fact increases the likelihood of mafia spewing.

I myself would like to see some pressure on RSO. I feel like what Ritoky has done has not been mafia indicative whatsoever. I personally care very little for the whole VT soft shenanigans and have paid little attention to that, but his mindset on the gumshoe incident lines up with my own.

On March 25 2016 00:11 Superbia wrote:


I don't have a solid town read on Koshi yet.


I'm going to assume from all of this that rso is super high in your town circle.

Am I scum going after her?

On March 25 2016 00:19 Superbia wrote:


She completely ignored my posts (i.e. no read on me whatsoever) and scum-read/went after my 2 town-reads. I want pressure on her.

What are you getting from all of this? I am genuinely curious. You're at the moment pretty much defending her by questioning the push on her. Why? Do you think mafia is actively pursuing her? What does this mean for your read on her? Why do you believe that pushes on her need to be questioned? Why are these questions relevant to solving the game? Is it more important than letting it play out and collecting information that way?

On March 25 2016 06:35 Superbia wrote:
Tiiiiired.

Did not like slam's reaction. Felt like forced emotional tailored to withhold info (we still don't know that much about his role, though I believe he dropped the hint that he has multiple shots?). Was expecting more info. Also no idea why he's reacting that strongly if he's town.

JAT is.. okay? I feel conflicted. On the one hand I like his aggression and pro-activeness. On the other I don't really like the direction he's taking it in. I feel like this is more his town game than his mafia however (i.e. I think we approach the game differently as town). Kind of town-lean for now.

I feel like a lot (1-2) of people are taking my stance on Koshi as me reading him mafia. That is incorrect. I have a town lean on Koshi.

Also some other stuff but I forgot. Around to chill and talk for a bit when gf is not distracting me. Maybe will get some dive-energy later.

On March 25 2016 06:42 Superbia wrote:


But was there a time limit? I don't get shooting in the first 8 hours. I thought this would be clarified by slam through some role-mechanics thing.

For JAT: I'm finding it hard to put into words. I understand why he would push me on the rso push like that from a possible-town's perspective, but I find it hard to find the direction his mindset is going after that.

Tbf I feel like there is a rso/JAT/rels(you) circle going on which is going on ritoky(nono)/slam. Let me know if I'm reading that wrong.

On March 25 2016 07:50 Superbia wrote:
Does anyone still believe Ritoky is mafia?

On March 25 2016 08:31 Superbia wrote:


Naw. What about tumblewood or rso?

On March 25 2016 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Also I'm going to make a wild calculated guess and say that one between Rels and JAT is 3rd party.

On March 25 2016 08:37 Superbia wrote:
I actually feel super good about my circles right now. Just don't have a straight up mafia I want to push. Like Tumblewood/Damdred would be okay-ish but I'd rather keep my vote on rso and see where that brings us?

Thoughts anyone?

On March 25 2016 08:37 Superbia wrote:
I actually feel super good about my circles right now. Just don't have a straight up mafia I want to push. Like Tumblewood/Damdred would be okay-ish but I'd rather keep my vote on rso and see where that brings us?

Thoughts anyone?

On March 25 2016 21:44 Superbia wrote:
Obi/Kurumi, your thoughts at this point in time?

On March 25 2016 21:55 Superbia wrote:
Tube's filter is not that bad.

On March 25 2016 22:17 Superbia wrote:
Everyone sticks around to see their role PM if you're around at that point, and if you roll town I expect you to make a witty remark after your pre-game scum claim.

On March 25 2016 22:17 Superbia wrote:
Everyone sticks around to see their role PM if you're around at that point, and if you roll town I expect you to make a witty remark after your pre-game scum claim.

On March 25 2016 23:13 Superbia wrote:
rso I'm interested in your scumread on shape. Can you talk to me more about why you're reading him scum?

Also did that tumble scum-read just pop up? I don't recall you talking about him much before.

On March 25 2016 23:25 Superbia wrote:


I'm finding it hard to interpret your posts. Your use of smileys (specifically the "^^") and the fact that you keep repeating the pressure is not getting you to post indicates to me like you want to show you are unaffected by the "pressure". However, I feel like your posts do show a modicum of something like annoyance.

Am I reading this correctly?

On March 26 2016 06:36 Superbia wrote:
Everyone stop lurking. I know there are 4 people who still need to vote. Your fucking late arrival is absolutely unacceptable.

On March 26 2016 06:39 Superbia wrote:


Hey at least I had my vote in already. I was planning to arrive 30m ago but meh. I'm not even sure who I want the wagon on at this point in time. Probably tumblewood but lots of people are calling him town so idk. I would prefer an RSO lynch over a tubesock lynch at this point in time.

On March 26 2016 06:43 Superbia wrote:


I don't even read tube in any particular way (i.e. I don't really have a read on him at all). Also wagon was formed rather quickly and I do not recall anyone feeling particularly strong about him at all during the course of the day. So feels like pile-on votes. But whatever. 20m in a 21 player game is not enough time to do anything. He will probably flip town and rso will probably have to be shot or checked during the night.

On March 26 2016 06:43 Superbia wrote:


I don't even read tube in any particular way (i.e. I don't really have a read on him at all). Also wagon was formed rather quickly and I do not recall anyone feeling particularly strong about him at all during the course of the day. So feels like pile-on votes. But whatever. 20m in a 21 player game is not enough time to do anything. He will probably flip town and rso will probably have to be shot or checked during the night.

On March 26 2016 06:49 Superbia wrote:


What? It's great to figure out the game's flow.

On March 26 2016 06:52 Superbia wrote:
I'm hoping for 6 flips.

On March 27 2016 20:26 Kurumi wrote:
I shot Koshi and he is still alive, any takers? Sorry I have not posted since the last post, I had to get it posted and then rush to another place, since family time!

So that means 7-8 PRs. Seems a bit.. much? It may very well be possible. The thing is, with so many PRs, there HAS to be a secondary mafia KP OR a 3rd party KP (even without PRs, just the number of people in the game). Where is that? Could be stack, but it would imply that the KP is 3rd party. OR sandroba was mafia vigi and claimed his shot, but this seems very unlikely because he would be confirmed mafia at a certain point in the game purely through game logic. Also kind of liked his claim. So sandroba is probably always town.

On March 27 2016 23:07 Superbia wrote:
If a town protective role actually protected koshi I'm going to be very annoyed.

On March 27 2016 23:16 Superbia wrote:


It was my thought at the start of the day when I lurked on cellphone and saw sand claim the shot. I feel like kurumi claiming night vig into sandroba claiming night vig was kind of townie actually. But sandroba claiming another rolename and clause was also townie. I think they are both sort of townie.

I am not taking slam into account because we know for a fact he had KP and at the time I felt like there was no real mafia justification for him KPing the most scum-read person in the thread at the time, it gives town info at a decent time in the thread. However, thinking more about it, I am starting to get some doubts (worlds that are possible).

On March 28 2016 21:42 Superbia wrote:
Also hi LS. What are your thoughts?

On March 28 2016 21:52 Superbia wrote:
Rels is indeed fucking nowhere this game. Maybe tired of rolling scum?

I don't even recall VA except he sheeped something on rso who's more likely town now.

On March 28 2016 22:24 Vivax wrote:
100 % mafia

On March 28 2016 22:35 Superbia wrote:


What's your mafia circle?

On March 28 2016 22:38 Vivax wrote:
Im curious to see if you can answer that question, otherwise its a pretty pointless question to have a confident 5 man team or however many there are in a game with people like TT, Slam and a ton of people not playing to their usual metas like Shape and Koshi. But good thing Koshi is out of the way. I can't confidently name 5 people, for today I can only hope that rsoultin flips mafia and I'll know if scum had to pile up to save her yesterday.

On March 28 2016 23:02 Superbia wrote:
I scumread (could be both present/past, still undecided) you mostly for your d1.

Your vote on tubesock feels like a pile-on. Especially the first point of your explanation post is incredibly contrived:


"Maybe sandro is right on rso" => Maybe rso is indeed mafia.
"since rso wants to lynch kurumi" => kurumi is my prime scumread, but now-possible-scum rsoultin is pushing on him.
"I lynch tubesock" => I assume rso is now scum and because she's pushing my main scum-read, I'm pushing tubesock RATHER THAN RSO HERSELF.

I cannot get over this post.


I raised the question of you TRing rso and voting her because it raised some questionmarks, I did not scumread you for that. I scumread you for this post.

On March 28 2016 23:19 Superbia wrote:


You went to sleep at 7PM?

On March 28 2016 23:26 Superbia wrote:
This is not the first time you throwing soft suspicion my way, obi. Take a stance, what do you think of Vivax's reply? What is the important part of that post for you? And what does it make Vivax? What about myself? Where do you stand on my alignment?