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On March 25 2016 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:39 Tubesock wrote:On March 25 2016 07:27 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:26 Tubesock wrote:
Ritoky is arguing why communism is such a great idea on paper. communism is not good on paper. socialism is good on paper. Same same. You earlier town read Sicklucker. Can you elaborate? Maybe Obi also. I guess in one of your last lists you had SL above Vivax who fell for town reads (you didn't like his reads?) and then Obi as mid tier town. Anyway, taking away the blue hunting I think Ritoky is town. And I do believe him about his plan. This isn't to say I trust him, but he's not going to be on the D1 lynch list. I like the Sandroba plynch. ##Vote: Sandroba This is a pathetic copout vote.
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On March 25 2016 06:57 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 06:38 Rels wrote:
ritoky could you lay out exactly what town benefits you were going for with your plan ? i spelled it out multiple times, but sure. i am vt, i know nothing about the setup since it is closed. i have been in closed setups that are basically the same as a normal game and closed setups with 20 players, 19 of which are roles or mafia. i wanted to gauge the nature of how many PRs were in the game while locating all the VTs and narrowing down my potential mafia greatly. so i angle shot using the name of the role, assuming all town roles are named the same thing and that mafia either didn't get fake role pms or were too careless to reference them and understand what i was doing before it was already too late. the goal was to utilize the picture of the expedition, have people understand it, realize expedition was also in their role pm, and start forming a coalition of townies who understood we were all town based on the understanding of the expedition. from there you have a large block of people who identify eachother as near lock town and there is a vast amount of control over the day phase because of it as well as a smaller pool of people for potentially mafia. it forces mafia into an awkward spot where they have to choose to not PR hunt and leave PRs alive thus costing them a great deal or leave this large block of semi-confirmed townies alive and concede a ton of day phase control. the mafia lose something large either way. i think it is a pretty well devised plan, apparently i am alone.
we know this but since theres no point hiding it anymore can you summarize what this told you preferably without telling the thread the non obvious vts
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EDWODP:
Keep in mind that I am his top scum read and is interested in what other people think of me. Late to the thread.
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It might not. I'm not voting Ritoky and I may be gone for quit awhile so I need to vote someone.
What is your banging heads together doing?
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already answered that a couple posts ago SL. gotta start setting up the stream for saga, so busy now.
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vote on rsoul, she's mafia. or y'know....vote on a scum read of yours who actually posted in the thread and won't just be resolved by any smart PR.
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On March 25 2016 07:01 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 06:58 Rels wrote:On March 25 2016 06:57 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 06:38 Rels wrote:
ritoky could you lay out exactly what town benefits you were going for with your plan ? i spelled it out multiple times, but sure. i am vt, i know nothing about the setup since it is closed. i have been in closed setups that are basically the same as a normal game and closed setups with 20 players, 19 of which are roles or mafia. i wanted to gauge the nature of how many PRs were in the game while locating all the VTs and narrowing down my potential mafia greatly. so i angle shot using the name of the role, assuming all town roles are named the same thing and that mafia either didn't get fake role pms or were too careless to reference them and understand what i was doing before it was already too late. the goal was to utilize the picture of the expedition, have people understand it, realize expedition was also in their role pm, and start forming a coalition of townies who understood we were all town based on the understanding of the expedition. from there you have a large block of people who identify eachother as near lock town and there is a vast amount of control over the day phase because of it as well as a smaller pool of people for potentially mafia. it forces mafia into an awkward spot where they have to choose to not PR hunt and leave PRs alive thus costing them a great deal or leave this large block of semi-confirmed townies alive and concede a ton of day phase control. the mafia lose something large either way. i think it is a pretty well devised plan, apparently i am alone. So you got no confirmed townie out of it ? i mean on some level i confirmed myself as town, which is cool; but overall the execution was bad and all i felt i got from it was that superbia might be VT, damd felt red or blue, slam wasn't vt, and SL pocketed me. the results were bad, but the plan was not.
ya you outed more vts then that not even gonna elaborate tho
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Jat, do you believe that making plays that don't help town only comes from scum?
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Does anyone still believe Ritoky is mafia?
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On March 25 2016 07:29 Shapelog wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Damm i pick like the worse time to leave. Can someone tell me why the plan was bad? I thought the execution could of been better but i liked the concept.
Jesus I've been leaving you and your "Kurumi is X." Some posts later "Kurumi is Y." later: "Hey Dude, do you think Kurumi is more of a X or more of a Z?", are you able to make your goddamn mind about anything without the help of others? It feels like you are trying the ground everytime you do post a read. You feel very insecure and for a person with such contrary opinion to the current state of the thread your defense of ritoky is very weak. What is good about the concept? You agree that execution was bad, but why and why would it point to ritoky Town?
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I'm still thinking about Kurumi. His response to me gave me some doubt.
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That wasn't the question Ritoky the question is give your actual read on me.
My read on you is already in my filter so let's have it and give up on this red blue or black keep it simple town scum etc.
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On March 25 2016 07:49 Tumblewood wrote:
Jat, do you believe that making plays that don't help town only comes from scum?
Obviously not. Otherwise I would be yelling to lynch ritoky by now. But I think healthy scepticism is appropriate when a player that is usually good with mechanics and also a very bold and competent mafia player makes such a play. And for me it is more what rels pointed out earlier. Ritoky didn't even try to use this disaster in a towny way. He started with outing someone he thought might be blue and tried to confirm himself instead of actually looking for other VT like he claimed.
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On March 25 2016 07:14 Koshi wrote:
I won't lie.
ritoky is mafia.
i do think ritoky likes to bluehunt and is the kind of person who loves to sacrifice himself as mafia for the greater good. Like gb he often tunnels this and it turns out to be negative for his mafia team alot of the time.
But I dont think a mafia would come up with this premeditated plan. Also from my experience very few hosts give fakeclaims pre or at the start of the game. They typically give them apon request. I cant think of any games where fakeclaims are given at the start of a scum qt. Maybe some hosted by artanis
So I do think for dirty bad meta reasons that ritoky is town in this spot
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On March 25 2016 07:33 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:26 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:24 Kurumi wrote:
Wait why 8? cuz i picked a random fucking large number Is it really that huge? 21 players total. 4 probably Mafia. 17 players left. 8 players believe that they are Town. You still have 9 Townies not sharing that sentiment. That's excluding possible 3rd party shenanigans and different Mafia size (I could see it being 5 even). It does not seem that huge. Because it is 8 players analysing 13 players, you are much more likely to down or out a blue. This would probably result in last minute switch shenanigans and disorder. This would lead to Mafia having even more information. In that 8, you could have three Mafia who figured out that it is a good idea to get on that Ford Wave and now you have 5 townies believing strongly that 3 players are Townie, but are actually Mafia. Mafia creates lynch after lynch, blue blood is the last sight of the day, blue blood is the first sight of the day and since this setup is about being careful, I don't see it being good.
Wait hold on. I am going to use this 8 logic here because i am confused now.
+ Show Spoiler +So Best case would turn it into 8 v 13 right? Let say about 5 roles are 3rd party/mafia So 8 v 8 v 5.....
Mafia would have some kinda of KP so they would shot into the 8 vt;s or whatever, let say 3rd is a kill role.
So each night 2 of the confirm townies die, or they shot into the suspect pool.
The 8 blue roles would then check eachother/use their power on the other people (assuming they have a power). Well, Instantly, a tracker/watcher would be fuck over because any person they check would go somewhere. The only way to get a good track is to track to a death. All the other ones are useless because they can't determine anything. They only have a 2/25 chance (N1) of catching scum. And they can still be vig technically.
But lets say it was 10 or something 10 v 11 -> 10 vs 6 vs 5, Blue roles have to cover less people. But that is still 10 other people a invest blue role has to either check or track. Not to mention that any of the 10 vt's could be shot theoretically (scum/3rd party killer would pick high value targets) And this is not meationing if the roles are not trackable or watchable.
Then Physiologically, some invest blue roles might check the vt to make sure they are vt's. thus wasting a check.
I guess the protection and vet roles would be fine/in a better spot.
idk about what would happen if you than make everyone out of the circle claim.
Eh it not that great when i look at it like this.
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On March 25 2016 07:52 Damdred wrote:
That wasn't the question Ritoky the question is give your actual read on me.
My read on you is already in my filter so let's have it and give up on this red blue or black keep it simple town scum etc.
me giving a real read on you day 1 literally got me hard pocketed last game so i am going back to my old strat of night 1 earliest solid read on you
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On March 25 2016 07:57 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:33 Kurumi wrote:On March 25 2016 07:26 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:24 Kurumi wrote:
Wait why 8? cuz i picked a random fucking large number Is it really that huge? 21 players total. 4 probably Mafia. 17 players left. 8 players believe that they are Town. You still have 9 Townies not sharing that sentiment. That's excluding possible 3rd party shenanigans and different Mafia size (I could see it being 5 even). It does not seem that huge. Because it is 8 players analysing 13 players, you are much more likely to down or out a blue. This would probably result in last minute switch shenanigans and disorder. This would lead to Mafia having even more information. In that 8, you could have three Mafia who figured out that it is a good idea to get on that Ford Wave and now you have 5 townies believing strongly that 3 players are Townie, but are actually Mafia. Mafia creates lynch after lynch, blue blood is the last sight of the day, blue blood is the first sight of the day and since this setup is about being careful, I don't see it being good. Wait hold on. I am going to use this 8 logic here because i am confused now. + Show Spoiler +So Best case would turn it into 8 v 13 right? Let say about 5 roles are 3rd party/mafia So 8 v 8 v 5.....
Mafia would have some kinda of KP so they would shot into the 8 vt;s or whatever, let say 3rd is a kill role.
So each night 2 of the confirm townies die, or they shot into the suspect pool.
The 8 blue roles would then check eachother/use their power on the other people (assuming they have a power). Well, Instantly, a tracker/watcher would be fuck over because any person they check would go somewhere. The only way to get a good track is to track to a death. All the other ones are useless because they can't determine anything. They only have a 2/25 chance (N1) of catching scum. And they can still be vig technically.
But lets say it was 10 or something 10 v 11 -> 10 vs 6 vs 5, Blue roles have to cover less people. But that is still 10 other people a invest blue role has to either check or track. Not to mention that any of the 10 vt's could be shot theoretically (scum/3rd party killer would pick high value targets) And this is not meationing if the roles are not trackable or watchable.
Then Physiologically, some invest blue roles might check the vt to make sure they are vt's. thus wasting a check.
I guess the protection and vet roles would be fine/in a better spot.
idk about what would happen if you than make everyone out of the circle claim. Eh it not that great when i look at it like this.
Are you 2 seriously arguing over the completely irrelevant math of a number ritoky obviously just made up to prove his point? Wtf.
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Meh I want to play but tired.
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I here now just got done playing a LoL game and eating dinner.
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