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On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.
On March 24 2016 08:54 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 08:47 LightningStrike wrote:On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. Hmm the bolded seems kinda weird. Why can't he be VT? re LS: assuming a conclusion before asking for clarification, bad mindset. potentially mafia mindset. re damdred: his reaction to my role claim makes him unlikely VT. i don't usually post pictures without a point or for a laugh. no further thoughts.
Why did you post these 1h30 after the picture ?
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On March 25 2016 06:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 06:56 Kurumi wrote:On March 25 2016 06:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I said that I wouldn't lynch slam very soon. Ritoky still deserves a lot of suspicion for making a play that only helps mafia. I would love to lynch Ritoky, but his play was so terrible I can't believe a scum would make it... Or am I being double fooled here, JAT? As long as you get away with it it is not a terrible play as mafia. And ritoky is known for making plays.
Yeah, fair point. From ritoky's posts I get mixed signals as well - I feel that he really doesn't know what's more important for him: establishing his own innocence or establishing an outcome good for the town. My gut tells me that his line of thought was: "I have a plan, if it works, I will be a hero and I will be established as confirmed town!" while for plans it should rather be a communal perspective: if it works, Town has the upper-hand.
So what I am trying to say is that I feel like ritoky wanted to use the plan as a mean to prove himself as "Town", while helping Town in any way was a secondary consideration. But did this plan ever have a chance of success, knowing the prowess of the hosts? I don't think so. So it either was a play, or a badly thought-out plan, which you tell me I should not expect from someone like ritoky.
Am I making sense here?
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I won't lie.
ritoky is mafia.
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holy fuck it was not badly thought out. screw everyone who thinks so. that plan is really fucking good. execution dumpster tier? yes. but that plan is amazing, will defend it to no end. do not give any fucks.
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On March 25 2016 07:11 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:06 justanothertownie wrote:On March 25 2016 07:03 ritoky wrote:
i mean very often i don't even read the fake claims in my QT, especially right away at the start of the game when there's a lot more shit to worry about as mafia than your list of fake claims. most players, myself included, from my experience only reference them when needed. Once they realize that you are testing them which you outed extremely early btw. they just look it up. The result is that you tell mafia who is blue and learn nothing yourself. agree to disagree. i will defend that plan as really good in and outside the game, and even if it gets me lynched. i agree with you my execution was bad, the picture was too unclear of communication, and i got antsy and should have held silent longer. i also think the plan was so poorly executed that it isn't devastating or even detrimental like you seem to think. if executed properly i think it is a massive town sided swing. if you disagree on the EV i dunno, we just disagree about gameplay.
Yes, I disagree. It doesn't make sense in theory and it also doesn't work in reality. People tried the same in assassination which lead to batsnacks (?) believing I was confirmed town even after I had already openly claimed scum.
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On March 25 2016 07:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 08:54 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:47 LightningStrike wrote:On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. Hmm the bolded seems kinda weird. Why can't he be VT? re LS: assuming a conclusion before asking for clarification, bad mindset. potentially mafia mindset. re damdred: his reaction to my role claim makes him unlikely VT. i don't usually post pictures without a point or for a laugh. no further thoughts. Why did you post these 1h30 after the picture ?
don't care why i posted them, i did; honestly don't give a fuck anymore. people shitting on a great idea simply because they don't like angle shooting or it is not "standard play". great plan.
GREAT PLAN
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On March 25 2016 07:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 08:54 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:47 LightningStrike wrote:On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. Hmm the bolded seems kinda weird. Why can't he be VT? re LS: assuming a conclusion before asking for clarification, bad mindset. potentially mafia mindset. re damdred: his reaction to my role claim makes him unlikely VT. i don't usually post pictures without a point or for a laugh. no further thoughts. Why did you post these 1h30 after the picture ?
Good question. This fits a "gonna confirm myself as town to those idiots" mindset much better than the mindset ritoky claims.
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On March 25 2016 07:15 ritoky wrote:
holy fuck it was not badly thought out. screw everyone who thinks so. that plan is really fucking good. execution dumpster tier? yes. but that plan is amazing, will defend it to no end. do not give any fucks.
You do know that hard setups like to have additional conditional KP? Like Assassins? You could've put us into a quite a pickle.
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On March 25 2016 07:17 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:13 Rels wrote:On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. On March 24 2016 08:54 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:47 LightningStrike wrote:On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. Hmm the bolded seems kinda weird. Why can't he be VT? re LS: assuming a conclusion before asking for clarification, bad mindset. potentially mafia mindset. re damdred: his reaction to my role claim makes him unlikely VT. i don't usually post pictures without a point or for a laugh. no further thoughts. Why did you post these 1h30 after the picture ? don't care why i posted them, i did; honestly don't give a fuck anymore. people shitting on a great idea simply because they don't like angle shooting or it is not "standard play". great plan. GREAT PLAN
OK. To me here is my thoughts.
It's posted 1h30 after the picture. If your motivation was to form a town circle, why post them ? A lot of people didn't have the time to post. You made it painfully obvious what you were going for.
In addition, giving your conclusion about who is blue is so weird. ESPECIALLY since you didn't have other results. Like, it might be worth the deal to exchange one blue against 4 confirmed townies; but you just said "oh Damdred is blue or red" when this info did nothing to push town forward.
So I can't see the town motivation, but I can see the scum motivation quite well. Bluehunting, but more importantly make sure everyone knows you're doing a plan, a plan scum would never do, so you're townread.
So if you're town explain why you posted these 'cause I don't see it.
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And if you get blue roles shot early what then? It's not a great plan especially with janitors Roleblocks, power stealers, mafia mason assassinations ( who copy the persons power)
There's so much that could go wrong that can screw town. Let a line third parties in game
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On March 25 2016 07:19 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:15 ritoky wrote:
holy fuck it was not badly thought out. screw everyone who thinks so. that plan is really fucking good. execution dumpster tier? yes. but that plan is amazing, will defend it to no end. do not give any fucks. You do know that hard setups like to have additional conditional KP? Like Assassins? You could've put us into a quite a pickle.
who cares if 2 blues die if you have idk....8 semi-confirmed townies operating as a voting block.....do you seriously undervalue townies knowing with 95% certainty who eachother are that much...just absolutely mindblowing....
people are so opposed to making plays for terrible reasons and they are eeyores about it on top of it.
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On March 25 2016 07:21 Damdred wrote:
And if you get blue roles shot early what then? It's not a great plan especially with janitors Roleblocks, power stealers, mafia mason assassinations ( who copy the persons power)
There's so much that could go wrong that can screw town. Let a line third parties in game
IF THEY DO THEN YOU HAVE A MILLION SEMI-CONFIRMED TOWN SITTING THERE ALIVE HOLY CRAP DOES NO ONE UNDERSTAND HOW 8 TOWN KNOWING FOR SURE WHO EACHOTHER ARE IS AS OR MORE POWERFUL THAN 2 PRS OR W/E??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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On March 25 2016 07:22 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:19 Kurumi wrote:On March 25 2016 07:15 ritoky wrote:
holy fuck it was not badly thought out. screw everyone who thinks so. that plan is really fucking good. execution dumpster tier? yes. but that plan is amazing, will defend it to no end. do not give any fucks. You do know that hard setups like to have additional conditional KP? Like Assassins? You could've put us into a quite a pickle. who cares if 2 blues die if you have idk....8 semi-confirmed townies operating as a voting block.....do you seriously undervalue townies knowing with 95% certainty who eachother are that much...just absolutely mindblowing.... people are so opposed to making plays for terrible reasons and they are eeyores about it on top of it.
Yeah exactly, so why did you out when you had 1 non VT and 1 maybe VT ?
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On March 25 2016 07:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:22 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:19 Kurumi wrote:On March 25 2016 07:15 ritoky wrote:
holy fuck it was not badly thought out. screw everyone who thinks so. that plan is really fucking good. execution dumpster tier? yes. but that plan is amazing, will defend it to no end. do not give any fucks. You do know that hard setups like to have additional conditional KP? Like Assassins? You could've put us into a quite a pickle. who cares if 2 blues die if you have idk....8 semi-confirmed townies operating as a voting block.....do you seriously undervalue townies knowing with 95% certainty who eachother are that much...just absolutely mindblowing.... people are so opposed to making plays for terrible reasons and they are eeyores about it on top of it. Yeah exactly, so why did you out when you had 1 non VT and 1 maybe VT ?
because the car picture wasn't getting enough traction on it's own and it was too ambiguous and people didn't care. i wanted to indicate i was making a play to others. in reality simply closing the thread and leaving it sitting there would have had the same or greater effect over time as jat said, but i have trouble remaining inactive
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On March 25 2016 07:24 Kurumi wrote:
Wait why 8?
cuz i picked a random fucking large number
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Ritoky is arguing why communism is such a great idea on paper.
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No Ritojy you basically could be giving mafia 6 powers to use if they copy powers and kill off the amazing town confirmed circle. With how the kps go even 8 townies won't last long and you gain 0 information from nk then meh.
It's pointless to argue with you let alone I think it's way against the spirit of the game so whatever.
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On March 25 2016 07:26 Tubesock wrote:
Ritoky is arguing why communism is such a great idea on paper.
communism is not good on paper. socialism is good on paper.
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EPT
