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On March 25 2016 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:39 Tubesock wrote:On March 25 2016 07:27 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:26 Tubesock wrote:
Ritoky is arguing why communism is such a great idea on paper. communism is not good on paper. socialism is good on paper. Same same. You earlier town read Sicklucker. Can you elaborate? Maybe Obi also. I guess in one of your last lists you had SL above Vivax who fell for town reads (you didn't like his reads?) and then Obi as mid tier town. Anyway, taking away the blue hunting I think Ritoky is town. And I do believe him about his plan. This isn't to say I trust him, but he's not going to be on the D1 lynch list. I like the Sandroba plynch. ##Vote: Sandroba This is a pathetic copout vote.
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EDWODP:
Keep in mind that I am his top scum read and is interested in what other people think of me. Late to the thread.
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On March 25 2016 07:29 Shapelog wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Damm i pick like the worse time to leave. Can someone tell me why the plan was bad? I thought the execution could of been better but i liked the concept.
Jesus I've been leaving you and your "Kurumi is X." Some posts later "Kurumi is Y." later: "Hey Dude, do you think Kurumi is more of a X or more of a Z?", are you able to make your goddamn mind about anything without the help of others? It feels like you are trying the ground everytime you do post a read. You feel very insecure and for a person with such contrary opinion to the current state of the thread your defense of ritoky is very weak. What is good about the concept? You agree that execution was bad, but why and why would it point to ritoky Town?
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On March 25 2016 07:59 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:57 Shapelog wrote:On March 25 2016 07:33 Kurumi wrote:On March 25 2016 07:26 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:24 Kurumi wrote:
Wait why 8? cuz i picked a random fucking large number Is it really that huge? 21 players total. 4 probably Mafia. 17 players left. 8 players believe that they are Town. You still have 9 Townies not sharing that sentiment. That's excluding possible 3rd party shenanigans and different Mafia size (I could see it being 5 even). It does not seem that huge. Because it is 8 players analysing 13 players, you are much more likely to down or out a blue. This would probably result in last minute switch shenanigans and disorder. This would lead to Mafia having even more information. In that 8, you could have three Mafia who figured out that it is a good idea to get on that Ford Wave and now you have 5 townies believing strongly that 3 players are Townie, but are actually Mafia. Mafia creates lynch after lynch, blue blood is the last sight of the day, blue blood is the first sight of the day and since this setup is about being careful, I don't see it being good. Wait hold on. I am going to use this 8 logic here because i am confused now. + Show Spoiler +So Best case would turn it into 8 v 13 right? Let say about 5 roles are 3rd party/mafia So 8 v 8 v 5.....
Mafia would have some kinda of KP so they would shot into the 8 vt;s or whatever, let say 3rd is a kill role.
So each night 2 of the confirm townies die, or they shot into the suspect pool.
The 8 blue roles would then check eachother/use their power on the other people (assuming they have a power). Well, Instantly, a tracker/watcher would be fuck over because any person they check would go somewhere. The only way to get a good track is to track to a death. All the other ones are useless because they can't determine anything. They only have a 2/25 chance (N1) of catching scum. And they can still be vig technically.
But lets say it was 10 or something 10 v 11 -> 10 vs 6 vs 5, Blue roles have to cover less people. But that is still 10 other people a invest blue role has to either check or track. Not to mention that any of the 10 vt's could be shot theoretically (scum/3rd party killer would pick high value targets) And this is not meationing if the roles are not trackable or watchable.
Then Physiologically, some invest blue roles might check the vt to make sure they are vt's. thus wasting a check.
I guess the protection and vet roles would be fine/in a better spot.
idk about what would happen if you than make everyone out of the circle claim. Eh it not that great when i look at it like this. Are you 2 seriously arguing over the completely irrelevant math of a number ritoky obviously just made up to prove his point? Wtf.
I only made one post on this, no idea why Shape brought it up, the thing that stroke me the most was that ritoky thought 8 players is huge, while it is not. BTW JAT, there is one thing I like about sandroba lynch: past experience with scum in Storm 1. RebirthOfLegend went MIA, I believe on Day 2, because we thought he'd be modkilled on the basis of lack of activity, but more seriously because of playing against wincon of either side, we lynched someone else. He lived on, even posted very fast after the lynch happened. He was the Mafia Poisoner. There is a world where sandroba is a red role and just wants to survive the D1, but I think sandroba has enough time to prove us wrong if he chooses to pop into the thread in like, even 12 hours.
I won't support the sandy lynch right now, I just wanted to say that there was a play concerning "afk" mafia in the first Storm Mafia and because of lack of activity requirements we need to keep an eye on that.
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On March 25 2016 21:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and sandroba just started posting o.o Seems okay for now but I only remember playing with him as scum once and and him being scum vs my town in ippo when he and yamato were up for Day 1 and they both were scum and I thought Yamato was scummier. Meh.
@anyone who is around can we talk please?
Just woke up and read the thread. If my old meta read is still to be applied to sandroba, he seems to be town for the sole reason of posting chaotically and even carelessly today. I think mafia sandroba is a lot more calculated. But even without meta, I think that the way he approached being late to the thread looks very townie - he dynamically posted as he read the thread, giving his thought process and evolution of views on the way. As scum I think you'd rather come with a big post and solidified reads, so it's easier to twist them instead of procedurally create them. I want to have more of Slam as well, especially because it seems I was the one to convince him that shooting gumshoe is the shot to be made.
I need to get into rsoul and tumble better, did not pay the most attention to them.
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On March 25 2016 21:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Sandroba is probably town.
Too much going on in his posts for him to be mafia.
Is that what you'd say about everyone who does that or only sandroba?
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On March 25 2016 21:44 Superbia wrote:
Obi/Kurumi, your thoughts at this point in time?
I have a feeling that Mafia is playing a Lurker city type of game so far. VA's post rubbed me totally the wrong way, given that he was in the thread and failed to make any contributions and now he declared he's afk till D2. He did not even vote....
Still don't like sicklucker (gut tells me so, he seems to be apathetic about the game) and Tubesock's gameplay so far has been iffy.
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On March 25 2016 22:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 21:55 Kurumi wrote:On March 25 2016 21:44 Superbia wrote:
Obi/Kurumi, your thoughts at this point in time? I have a feeling that Mafia is playing a Lurker city type of game so far. VA's post rubbed me totally the wrong way, given that he was in the thread and failed to make any contributions and now he declared he's afk till D2. He did not even vote.... Still don't like sicklucker (gut tells me so, he seems to be apathetic about the game) and Tubesock's gameplay so far has been iffy. I have a feeling you are mafia, this feels like one of the few games where I can say that I think VA is town cause he had the opportunity to talk about a lot of useless stuff that has been going on and he didn't, which I'm confident he would do as mafia. He pretty much only talked about what was important to him even though it would seem like it wasn't enough content and not ritokys plays or the shot on gum which are a great semi-usefulness generator for mafia. At the end of the day I might end up sheeping sandroba, dunno depends on me finding stuff that can actually get a mafia lynched. Kurumi Koshi seem like good places I will look at, and rsoultin cause my newly found townreads think shes mafia.
All that is in VA's filter is that he will be voting for rso and that he did not read much of the thread. He brought nothing of substance concerning rso, he said his vote would be be "half policy, half read". So no, he wasn't useful, he did not talk only about things important to him - his entire filter is just fluff like "oh man blues be blues everytime I play a game". He actively avoided talking about anything at all in any way and you believe that's better than talking? Bogus Vivax, bogus.
Why do you want to sheep sandroba? Why are you already agreeing that rso is a good lynch prior to having your own opinion?
The only good thing from this post of yours is the mention of Koshi
@Koshi get into the thread and post normally or I am going to arrange us a lovely rendez-vous.
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On March 26 2016 00:00 Tubesock wrote:
Gums had votes on him already and was in danger. Why would anyone need to go all super giant case on the guy with what like 36 hours left in the day? If you are looking for someone to just lynch, then sure, secure that shit right away. But if you're town, I'd think you'd want to find out more and gain truth.
Maybe that's a giant case by your standards, for mine, it's an usual post (after I moved from my troll meta >_>). I don't like spamming and having more than EWODP after your post is in my opinion clogging the thread. (Superbia, please...) My post wasn't an appeal to Town, I wanted to point out why gumshoe's actions add up from a scum perspective and wanted him to respond, if his responses were lacking, I'd have done work needed to give explanation for voting him. To add to that, do you really think that as Mafia the first post I'd do would be the biggest post in the thread with the most serious accusation? Gumshoe was in no way in any danger, people largely dismissed my case because they thought that shoe's behaviour is more indicative of Townie trying to get discussion rolling and the only problem they had was the point on slam. I was the only one seriously pushing gumshoe, the votes he had on him (especially sicklucker) weren't strongly rooted. It was very early in the game and many players have not even posted. Your narrative of gumshoe being so close to dead and entire thread piling on him is just plainly not true. Anyone who reads my posts instead of relying people who have soft-pushed from the very start will know that what I've done is townie and only that.
I've been angry last couple of days because my gf and this nonsensical anti-town behaviour "hurr durr mafia make cases, let me write two lines, that is townie play" is really putting me off this game. Palmar told me nothing about meta being pants-on-head retarded and I guess he should've. You are not attacking the quality of my reasoning, you are attacking the fact I attempted to reason at all! Because I made a case on a particular person I am scum in your eyes. The only people who strongly stay by their beliefs so far are Me, Slam, sandroba, Superbia, jat and ritoky. Others seem to be fine with plastering someone with town or scum without much reasoning behind it and then giving reasons like "this one post is cool" "I agree with his read on x" "I feel like it" or even "making cases and showing your reasoning IS BADDDDDDDDD". You let people run around with not backing up their reads, which allows them to change them on the fly. That is not a good town atmosphere, but maybe it's the meta. The Romantic Era of meta, where the feelings matter and the brain tells straight up lies.
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I am voting Tubesock for scum agenda and taking a break, like this guy has been pushing me from his very first post because I dared to make a case and that's his reasoning. Then he proposed policy lynching sandroba out of every lurker for no reason, townreads Vivax without giving any reason - the only reason I see is that they both have been pushing me since their very first post.
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On March 26 2016 00:28 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 00:25 Kurumi wrote:
I am voting Tubesock for scum agenda and taking a break, like this guy has been pushing me from his very first post because I dared to make a case and that's his reasoning. Then he proposed policy lynching sandroba out of every lurker for no reason, townreads Vivax without giving any reason - the only reason I see is that they both have been pushing me since their very first post. this is not what tube said at all and i'm pretty sure you know that -_-
He said my post was too big for the time of the game
and that only scum would push gumshoe, because he was so obviously scummy that it was obvious that he was town
PRETTY EASY TO SAY THAT WE HAS TOWNIE AFTER HE ALREADY FLIPPED, HUH?
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On March 26 2016 00:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 00:30 Kurumi wrote:On March 26 2016 00:28 rsoultin wrote:On March 26 2016 00:25 Kurumi wrote:
I am voting Tubesock for scum agenda and taking a break, like this guy has been pushing me from his very first post because I dared to make a case and that's his reasoning. Then he proposed policy lynching sandroba out of every lurker for no reason, townreads Vivax without giving any reason - the only reason I see is that they both have been pushing me since their very first post. this is not what tube said at all and i'm pretty sure you know that -_- He said my post was too big for the time of the game and that only scum would push gumshoe, because he was so obviously scummy that it was obvious that he was town PRETTY EASY TO SAY THAT WE HAS TOWNIE AFTER HE ALREADY FLIPPED, HUH? hyperbole much? like, you're right, these reads came later cause he entered the thread later, which is why i questioned him on gum to begin with since gum was doing the same thing he's accusing you of doing, yet you're completely misrepresenting what he's scumreading you for which just makes me twitch ><
That's what he said. He said I made an ultra big post (lol no read maybe games from 2012 or so) that I nitpicked (lol no) and ME PUSHING GUM MADE HIM THINK GUM IS INNOCENT, like his reasoning for gum being town while he was reading the thread is because someone scumread him (just like Tube himself!) and began pushing him. I wonder what Tube would've done on my spot, probably pat gumshoe on the back and tell him "oh man you are such a townie looking like obvious scum hahahahaha" and then proceed to wait for someone to put effort in the game and call them scum, because town-meta is that the first person to put effort is scum, because effort is not needed to win games when it's Romantic era, FEELINGS AND PRAYERS ARE THE WAY
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like I can imagine sandroba making a case on me and Tubesock voting sandroba BECAUSE I AM SO OBVIOUSLY SCUM THAT A CASE ON ME MUST COME FROM SCUM
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On March 26 2016 00:43 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 00:38 Kurumi wrote:On March 26 2016 00:32 rsoultin wrote:On March 26 2016 00:30 Kurumi wrote:On March 26 2016 00:28 rsoultin wrote:On March 26 2016 00:25 Kurumi wrote:
I am voting Tubesock for scum agenda and taking a break, like this guy has been pushing me from his very first post because I dared to make a case and that's his reasoning. Then he proposed policy lynching sandroba out of every lurker for no reason, townreads Vivax without giving any reason - the only reason I see is that they both have been pushing me since their very first post. this is not what tube said at all and i'm pretty sure you know that -_- He said my post was too big for the time of the game and that only scum would push gumshoe, because he was so obviously scummy that it was obvious that he was town PRETTY EASY TO SAY THAT WE HAS TOWNIE AFTER HE ALREADY FLIPPED, HUH? hyperbole much? like, you're right, these reads came later cause he entered the thread later, which is why i questioned him on gum to begin with since gum was doing the same thing he's accusing you of doing, yet you're completely misrepresenting what he's scumreading you for which just makes me twitch >< That's what he said. He said I made an ultra big post (lol no read maybe games from 2012 or so) that I nitpicked (lol no) and ME PUSHING GUM MADE HIM THINK GUM IS INNOCENT, like his reasoning for gum being town while he was reading the thread is because someone scumread him (just like Tube himself!) and began pushing him. I wonder what Tube would've done on my spot, probably pat gumshoe on the back and tell him "oh man you are such a townie looking like obvious scum hahahahaha" and then proceed to wait for someone to put effort in the game and call them scum, because town-meta is that the first person to put effort is scum, because effort is not needed to win games when it's Romantic era, FEELINGS AND PRAYERS ARE THE WAY @.@ the irony here is actually kinda delicious lol >> too much effort to case a player already being lynched, he said, and frankly it's a good point. also, it's not crazy to go hey, scummy guy...wait, scummier guy biting his head off maybe the scummy guy is town after all...the only caveat here is of course we can't know cause he wasn't in thread when it was actually going down the story itself is fine just unverifiable. who do you think is scum other than tube?
HE HAD LIKE THREE VOTES ON HIM AND ONE FROM SICKLUCKER WHO SAID IT WAS A PRESSURE VOTE HIMSELF
HE WAS NOWHERE BEING LYNCHED
AM I THE ONLY PERSON LITERATE ENOUGH TO READ WHAT PEOPLE WRITE IN THIS GAME
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Just in case
So, maybe some of you aren't convinced that I am Town, but I believe that Scum have no qualms like that and I am probably going to bite the dust here. While I was wrong on both shoe and Tube, I feel that I was well-grounded on my reads, which people actually have agreed with - seeing that Tube was lynched and shoe was read two-ways based on the same point I brought up. I might've said one thing too much on top of all that, which might seal the deal even more. Anyway, this is why I am writing this post - I believe I have played a strong game and that I am now going to go down because of it. So I gotta leave you with some reads to work with.
My proposed Mafia team is:
Koshi
ritoky
rsoultin
Ticktock/Stutters695/Tumblewood/VayneAuthority aka lurker-class scum.
Now the reasons:
For Koshi they are simple and people have picked up on that. First, the list. It's utterly insignificant, unhelpful, but great to look like he is doing something. He also said something about a plan and he - as we can see in the thread, abandoned it without any word on what the plan was and how it was supposed to help Town (What we can gather, his plan was to post the list only and only that, which, as you can guess, I am not going to Town-read at all!). Koshi's played a very wishy-washy game. He voted lots (ritoky, Alakaslam, tumblewood, sandroba, Tubesock), voted lots of flimsy evidence and has defended rsoultin, while townreading people seeing her as scum. He himself admits that. It looks like a good setup to be able to back-pedal on his vote on Tube when things get heated: I was just wrong guys, like look: I was townreading the guys against her! It is especially damning that having such townreads did not make him reconsider his stance on rsoultin. One of the most damning things for me though, besides the wishy-washiness is how he has played the game during the night: this is the moment Koshi is the most active, fearless about the results of the Night kills. He is above that. No worries - Koshi is going to be here on D2! How does he know that? Well, he knows where the KP is going. He knows that KP is not heading his way, unless his team partners decide to be silly pranksters! Look how contrarian to everything he is and how little effort he puts into it: he has those reads only to sow distrust among us.
ritoky:
His play was questioned before. I once decided that his play was just dumb, but dumb in a Townie way. But after the D1 has ended, we saw no follow-up. No redemption. He made us look at him and then disappeared, while believing he is near confirmed town! I understand that RL reasons are there, but come on, if you plan something, you have the time. So it's a contradiction. Remember that ritoky was defended by rsoultin by the very start and many people around the time of his fuckup have come into the thread and started to throw acussations my way. RSO defends him, Koshi makes no case against him besides saying he is Mafia. The votes weren't on him, only lots of suspicion around. All he has done was to introduce chaos into the thread, his teammate rsoultin dipped too much anyway. Handling by her has been acknowledged and she was up as one of the lynch candidates.
rsoultin:
Her showing, especially handling the ritoky situation (hardcore defense) her absence for lots of late D1, the vote on me feels like she tried to avoid any responsibility with the lynch. She was fine with what was happening and she was the only one to vote together with Tubesock on me - but made no effort to defend him and herself from killing them.
The lurkers... well... it's easier to get disinterested in a game if you are scum, because you know that it needs more effort to work out.
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I shot Koshi and he is still alive, any takers? Sorry I have not posted since the last post, I had to get it posted and then rush to another place, since family time!
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On March 27 2016 20:31 justanothertownie wrote:
You shot Koshi? May I ask why the fuck you would do that?
I crumbed it earlier, was on him since the very first post and had a big post on him before the deadline? Why would I NOT should Koshi? I like the idea of shooting lurkers, but given that we have too many of them I wanted to kill the guy who is not the most active nor the least, so the perfect scum spot.
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On March 27 2016 20:35 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 20:33 Kurumi wrote:On March 27 2016 20:31 justanothertownie wrote:
You shot Koshi? May I ask why the fuck you would do that? I crumbed it earlier, was on him since the very first post and had a big post on him before the deadline? Why would I NOT should Koshi? I like the idea of shooting lurkers, but given that we have too many of them I wanted to kill the guy who is not the most active nor the least, so the perfect scum spot. Because there is no way in hell that Koshi survives this game. If he is town we will make him show his colors. If he is mafia we will lynch him anyways. We will know his alignment soon enough. He is an awful shot. I do not like this claim at all.
I am not giving Mafia a single additional role action, not after RoL Poisoner fiasco in the first one. No chance. No chance in fucking hell. I am not waiting on Koshi, his time is up - he had entire D1 to get off his shitty list play and he didn't, he got active during the night being all cocky.
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On March 27 2016 20:39 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 20:37 Kurumi wrote:On March 27 2016 20:35 justanothertownie wrote:On March 27 2016 20:33 Kurumi wrote:On March 27 2016 20:31 justanothertownie wrote:
You shot Koshi? May I ask why the fuck you would do that? I crumbed it earlier, was on him since the very first post and had a big post on him before the deadline? Why would I NOT should Koshi? I like the idea of shooting lurkers, but given that we have too many of them I wanted to kill the guy who is not the most active nor the least, so the perfect scum spot. Because there is no way in hell that Koshi survives this game. If he is town we will make him show his colors. If he is mafia we will lynch him anyways. We will know his alignment soon enough. He is an awful shot. I do not like this claim at all. I am not giving Mafia a single additional role action, not after RoL Poisoner fiasco in the first one. No chance. No chance in fucking hell. I am not waiting on Koshi, his time is up - he had entire D1 to get off his shitty list play and he didn't, he got active during the night being all cocky. Which is mafia indicative how exactly?
Are you certain of surviving any night ever? I wasn't. I am not. We lynched, I think Toad, based on his line saying that we'll see him tomorrow. He was scum. If that doesn't work for you, then why Koshi puts the most effort during the night, when nothing can be changed?
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