TL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3 - Page 14

On April 07 2016 06:01 Koshi wrote:

Explain the bolded. How is mafia doing that?

On April 07 2016 06:03 Koshi wrote:
And if we lynch ows or ls today and they flip town. How are you not getting lynched in future days?

lol

On April 07 2016 06:08 Koshi wrote:

Why did Rels die? I was way less on your ass than he was.
And I was way more town.

On April 07 2016 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote:


it has been debunked that only VTs knew about the explorer thing, as superbia knew about it immediately as 3rd party. Mafia has also been bussing like crazy this game. What exactly makes it so theres "0 chance you can be mafia"

On April 07 2016 06:14 Koshi wrote:

Did you see the quotes in which Kurumi says rsoultin is mafia?
Did you see the quotes in which Ticktocksays rsoultin is mafia?

It is clearly not "impossible" you are mafia.


And why did both Kurumi and TT scumread you BOTH. So odd.

On March 27 2016 08:34 ritoky wrote:
Why rsoultin is mafia and everyone who didn't vote on her should feel bad:

1) Her read on LS -


This is LS's comment immediately upon signing up for the game. He expressly states that he is deliberately and consciously trying to change his play; regardless of if he is being successful or not, he has openly stated that the way he is playing is more considered and deliberate than before. As a result of this, people should naturally be wary of using meta reads on LS or old metrics since he is clearly trying to break those notions. Rsoul does not heed this, she has been hard defending him for tonal and meta reasons since his first 5 posts; the exact type of reads she should be wary of making when LS is trying to break those exact reads. On top of that, she has shown no indication of judging if his gameplay outside of this immediate read is town or mafia. The entirety of her read is based on something she should be skeptical of if she were town. The read is bullshit.

2) Meta - In her previous game as mafia, of which I was hosting, she tunneled very hard on 1 person with minimal reasoning and tried to shove the narrative down everyone's throat; constantly repeating the same lines, never re-evaluating, and never adding anything in terms of why that player is mafia. She is doing the same here with me. Here are quotes from the previous game:













It continues, you get the picture. In her previous mafia game, she made an early read based on shape's "tone"; never re-evaluated or considered any of his other play throughout the remainder of the day, then just kept repeating how he was mafia and how he was mafia for that. Meanwhile shape had ~6 pages of content. Now I have less pages, but it is not like I have a deficiency of reads or content in my filter for which to consider; however much like she did with shape in her previous game. She has made a read based on 1 thing, not evaluated anything else about me, then just spam repeated "lynch rit". It is precisely the same pattern as her previous day 1 as mafia.

3) She is neglecting her own read on me - This one probably won't work for anyone else, and I don't have a quote to support. But rsoul had previously reached the point with me (before she switched more to hosting than to playing) where she believed every time she read me town I was mafia, and vice versa; and had surmised flipping her read was the best way to read me. It was then successful for her for I think 2 games? So why did she stop doing it here? She has a read that is historically successful, but elects to neglect it and vehemently neglect it simply because I made a play around angle shooting VT role names? Not buying it.

4) The votes on her - I know I am VT, I am extremely confident that sandroba and superbia are town. I think SL, VA, and shape have a decent to high shot of being town. That is 6 town.... Now even assuming that my town reads have gaps and there are sneakster mafia, I think 1 of those at most is mafia. 5 town at least on rsoul is a really good indicator for me.

5) Lack of Scope early - Rsoul had no real inclinations to try and determine anyone's alignments early. She just had no read on nearly 3/4 of the game and wasn't doing anything to try and inform reads either. I made a post on March 24th and 12:56 PDT calling her out for her lack of scope and depth in her reads. Here are her only reads prior to me making that post:

LS, vivax - town for meta
SL - maybe town for meta
slam - policy -> okay with lynch
shape - mafia cuz omgus
rit - mafia

over 24 hours into the game, a player dead, and 6 reads that she has committed to, I would say 4 of which are simply meta, tone, or have 0 depth to them. The only 2 she really went to length to explain are vivax and me. Sorry, but rsoul has much more depth to her play and tries to figure out a lot more people's alignments as town; She has additional information that is why she isn't trying to solve the game as hard; and I think that additional information stems from being mafia.

6) Activity under pressure - After votes begin piling up on her, she begins saying things like "you're not lynching me today" and "you're wasting your time discussing me today"; and begins spamming activity as a response. However, rather than trying to direct that activity and a lynch onto basically the only person she has show a deep and passionate scum read on; she defers to a low hanging fruit (who just posted something so dumb it is probably town). It feels like she is targeting "the lynch I can get" rather than "the lynch I want/believe in". Townies always aim for the lynch they believe in and consult practicality or feasibility later; to me, rsoul is considering saving herself and the lynch she can get first, which is not a town mindset, it is survivalist and almost certainly from mafia.

7) Too many wafflers/defenders considering her play - This is just my own heuristic or metric, but there are far too many people who have no opinion or a positive opinion of her that I grasp or they have explained than her play thus far has warranted.

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There's a couple other tiny things, but people don't like my grammar reads or nitpicking word choice shit and it hardly convinces anyone so I will just keep those points to myself and leave this here. She's very VERY likely mafia.

On April 07 2016 06:26 VayneAuthority wrote:


doesnt that make you more suspicious though considering how amazing mafia's scumreads have been this game? I just don't see how bussing clears you 100%. Just like im not cleared whatsoever. i need to see you actually invested in the game, you've been only defending for a while now

On April 07 2016 06:37 ritoky wrote:
anyways i have to go. like i said, if you can't come to a place in your mind where i am unlynchable, then lynch me today; i think me not being in lylo is more beneficial even if it is a ml.

koshi has been wrong about everything he could be mafia, damdred hasn't died he could be mafia, ls is probably mafia, ows might be mafia.

scott probably isn't mafia because of how he used the kp was not a way or target mafia would have used it on, VA seems town, superbia has nice votes, sl has been right on me all game

just follow my reads when i flip, i think i have been fairly right all game.