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On March 30 2016 13:38 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 13:15 Tumblewood wrote:On March 30 2016 10:05 sandroba wrote:
@tumble please explain and exemplify your strong town read on rels.
Also when you asked those questions didn't you have any intent behind them? Why do you think your questions were subpar? 1. On March 25 2016 06:57 Rels wrote:On March 25 2016 06:13 Kurumi wrote:On March 24 2016 23:42 Superbia wrote:
What's the average mafia count in a 21 player game? Assuming there is 3rd party and stuff too (I'm assuming there is). The formula is usually Players/5 rounded down, so that'd be 4 Mafia this game, was there a third party in either of Storm Mafias? On March 25 2016 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:On March 24 2016 23:00 Kurumi wrote:
Back to Slam. If he were Mafia and that was a Mafia shot, all I'd see now should be "LYNCH KURUMI" and it is not the case. So it means the shot was not used as a means to incriminate me or cast doubt, or leverage it in any way. While I was not the only one voting gumshoe, I was the person pushing the hardest since the very first post of mine. Is there a chance that Slam was bluffing/trolling/whatever and Mafia decided to use that to kill Shoe and let the responsibility for the kill just land on Slam? There's no one on Slam either, yet... So it seems that this kill went through without any group agenda, leading me to believe that it was Town KP, be it Slam or anyone else. It just lacks follow-up, both ways (against me and against Slam) have not been taken by anyone. I think Slam is town.
I don't understand this paragraph at all. Why does mafia need to follow up on this? The logical/natural thing for them to do if slam is in fact mafia is to wait and see how well it goes/if he gets away with it before acting. Well, I think that they'd use the momentum created by the shot to some end. I have not seen that in the thread, people are not really reading Slam as scum, people are not super focused on people who were pushing gumshoe, I think if Mafia shot gum, they'd want the discussion to be on those points, not any others like we have right now. That's just the world I am in. On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote:
Good morning.
Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.
Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.
I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.
As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.
Ritoky probably is in fact VT.
Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation. Read my posts again(not skim!) so you can have a good town read on me, because my filter defends itself without any problems. Just because I have not coloured every of my reads or made a list of them doesn't mean they are not there. Gumshoe's filter wasn't really that exciting besides him sharing my suspicions on both Koshi and sicklucker, he did not have time to bring anything new to the table sadly. His last couple of posts was finally something I expected out of him. He also looked like agreeing with me more and more. On the topic of sicklucker: What was good in my post you quoted? What are your scumreads and why? I don't like that you just quoted my entire post and said it was good while not really pushing anyone or anything in the thread. I am also let down by Alakaslam, he could've said that we have a way to kill two D1, basically a double lynch and we could just make him shoot the second person in line... Why the bloodlust Slam, why?! It's so anti-town the only reason I think you are Town is that noone is trying to capitalize on it... For the last 20 minutes I've been looking for a post suggesting that scum's KP is up for them to decide whether to use it day or night, it felt like hardcore slip, but then I might've dreamt it... WOW This is the kind of stuff that ONLY TOWNIES THINK ABOUT Never lynching This is the quote for which I originally read him town. The tone felt off but I liked the content enough to townread him for it, and I believe it still stands. I was looking for more evidence of him being townie but holy shit look at this On March 26 2016 06:40 Rels wrote:On March 26 2016 06:39 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2016 06:38 Rels wrote:On March 26 2016 06:36 Superbia wrote:
Everyone stop lurking. I know there are 4 people who still need to vote. Your fucking late arrival is absolutely unacceptable. And you didn't totally just arrive p: Hey at least I had my vote in already. I was planning to arrive 30m ago but meh. I'm not even sure who I want the wagon on at this point in time. Probably tumblewood but lots of people are calling him town so idk. I would prefer an RSO lynch over a tubesock lynch at this point in time. I can understand scumreading rsoul but not over tube. Why is he town ? If I see one more post this bad I'm reconsidering. On March 29 2016 08:16 Rels wrote:On March 27 2016 21:09 sandroba wrote:
yo kurumi what's the name of your role and what does it do? This is soooo townie. Comparing Kuru's role name with his own. Solving the game. He was already 99% town for shooting someone scum would never shoot and this seals the deal. Tone still off but content still great. He's also asking questions trying to get people to clarify their positions (e.g., "Is this a current read?"), which comes off as town trying to make sure scum can't weasel out of their stances. 2. They were too arbitrary-- I wasn't considering the possible responses as much as the questions, so I wouldn't know why the information would be helpful. I mean dude, he was right on top of your list because of that random comment about kurumi, which isn't even particularly accurate or good. I don't buy your reads, and you seem to admit you didn't put much thought into them either. That quote from rels is from day1 and I even pointed out how bad it was, but I don't think you would know that because I don't think you are reading the thread closely, you are just grabbing tidbits here and there and making up shallow reads. Not like a townie plays. Rels is indeed asking some questions but he never follows up. He asked me a couple and never followed up or derived any conclusions from them.
Don't say things before verifying them.
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On March 30 2016 13:49 sandroba wrote:EBWOP: Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 13:49 sandroba wrote:On March 29 2016 12:18 Tumblewood wrote:
100% confirmed town forever
Damdred
Vivax
Rels
Alakaslam/scott31337
Rels is confirmed town forever because he pointed something out random in kurumi's post and said WOW SO TOWNIE. You even admit you think the tone is off. But mafia can never get some piece of a post and fake a town read right? Like it seems it's the first time you are going through you confirmed town forever filter.
This is why I townread Kurumi, it's not only the random comment on one post:
On March 30 2016 06:04 Rels wrote:
Dunno about kurumi, his entire filter is concentrating on finding scum. Besides the one townie thought I was jizzing about early game, he is only posting to find scum. Almost no townreads, and that is consistent with his very first post where he dislike Koshi for posting his full reads all the time. I think he's town.
I have reasons to think both Shape and OWS are town. But I would kill them before Kurumi.
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Sandroba I think you're town so this is a warning: don't piss me off or that will end in a shitfight. I get angry very quickly when people lie about me. You can scumread me, you cannot say lies about me. Now the first thing you need to do is providing sources for your claim that I was trying to put suspicions on you and didn't have enough balls to commit to it.
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Votes recap colored with flips
Day 1 final vote
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Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi, Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi, justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred
rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker
Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin
Tumblewood: (0): Koshi
ritoky (0): Koshi, rsoultin, Koshi
Alakaslam (0): Koshi, Rels
Damdred (0): sicklucker
sandroba (0): Tubesock, Koshi
Not Voting (4): Stutters695, Tictock, Alakaslam, Tumblewood
Day 2 final vote
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Tictock (9): Vivax, LightningStrike, Shapelog, Rels, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Koshi, rsoultin, Tumblewood
Koshi (5): sicklucker, justanothertownie, Superbia, sandroba, Vivax, Kurumi, Tumblewood, sicklucker
rsoultin (2): sicklucker, sandroba, Koshi, ritoky, Alakaslam, sicklucker, Vivax. Shapelog, Tumblewood, Vivax
Tumblewood (2): VayneAuthority, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Koshi, Vivax, Tictock, rsoultin
Kurumi (0): rsoultin
sandroba (0): Alakaslam
Tictock (0): Vivax
Superbia (0): Koshi
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So this votecount shows several things.
Two scums voted tumble over the scum wagons, so Tumble is very very likely town.
ritoky in particular, and maybe Superbia, who were my two main scumread before the flips, are probably town. Mainly ritoky 'cause rsoul and him shitfought in the thread D1 trying to lynch each other. Superbia didn't really push her I think, but I see he is the first vote on her D1 which is a unlikely place for scum I think. At the very least I won't consider them today.
I think at most one scum is in the rsoul wagon. I'm not counting SL on that one 'cause he voted + pushed for rsoultin's vote only a few minutes before deadline, so it's possible he was scum bussing her but thinking she couldn't be lynched anyway. Doesn't prove anything, but doesn't prove he's town. All other voters gets townpoints. If one guy is scum in her wagon, it's probably VA. He's pretty useless, lacks his usual sharpness, and it's not outside his scumplay to bus on D1 since he did exactly that in StarWars; he voted his partner Palmar D1 who was going to be lynched if JAT didn't switch voted 1 sec before deadline.
There ahs to be scum on tubesock though. And the D2 vote is not getting anyone townpoints, since rsoultin was also in danger of getting lynched there. I think LS and Damdred are the most likely scums there.
LS for his non-explained read on rsoul, I remember him saying "I don't care who is lynched as long as it's not rsoul".
Damdred unless he can explain his claim when he comes back. But even outside of that, ritoky's thoughts on rsoul are very good. Why would rsoul say she gave a vest to Damdred ? town!Damdred would go "no it's not true". I think they are partners. Since he claimed doc, maybe he can live a few days to see if he gets killed though.
OWS gets his townpoints for starting the TT wagon removed, since his partner was getting maybe lynched anyway if he didn't do anything. Don't remember much from him on way or the other outside of starting the TT wagon so I need to read his filter.
Actually I need to read a tons of filter. Dead guys first. Then SL, LS, Damdred, OWS.
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VA needs to be in this list too.
I agree with the thought that Tumble is confirmed town unless Koshi is scum. If Koshi is town, TT and rsoul would have voted him over Tumble since he was more likely to be lynched.
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Yep I'm watching the votecounts and this is basically where I am.
Town: ritoky Kurumi Tumble Koshi sandroba
Maybe town: Superbia
Need to reread : OWS VA SL
Need to reread - I think they're scum before rereading : Damdred LS
Reading the player list I'm missing Shape. He's saying smart things throughout the game and he voted rsoul D1. He switched from rsoul to TT D2. Gonna put him in the town category.
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AFK lunch, then the great filter dive will begin.
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On March 30 2016 20:47 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 19:42 Rels wrote:
Sandroba I think you're town so this is a warning: don't piss me off or that will end in a shitfight. I get angry very quickly when people lie about me. You can scumread me, you cannot say lies about me. Now the first thing you need to do is providing sources for your claim that I was trying to put suspicions on you and didn't have enough balls to commit to it. Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 05:57 Rels wrote:On March 26 2016 05:10 sandroba wrote:I'll keep my vote on rsoul. I'm going out now so I hope you guys lynch her. The shapelog read which I questioned I don't think was ever explained properly. The ritoky read is apparently even stronger than I thought and it looks fake to me. Again she only believes he is mafia because his "plan was bad" and "ritoky should know better" "he is balsy enough to do it as mafia" which none of it actually means someone is mafia. She is actually ignoring very good posts by ritoky which should at least make you unsure about him being mafia : On March 25 2016 04:56 ritoky wrote:
firstly LS, you need to stop taking and start giving if you ever want to even consider getting a town read from me.
it's pretty simple about rsoul though:
1) i find her game so far lacks real depth and any teeth. she has pretty much 2 reads: a) ritoky is mafia cuz he typed b) LS is town cuz he typed; the amount of players she is not evaluating or attempting to evaluate is too large. she isn't caring to look at 75% of the game and consider their alignments or push to learn anything about their alignments, her scope is too narrow.
2) she is not listening to her own read on me, which is to flip her read.
3) forcing a narrative instead of looking at a whole. primary example being that her primary scum read posted a giant post of reads which from what small indications i see in her filter, she actually agrees with quite a few of; but rather than elect to comment and evaluate the entirety of information before her, she pushes the same tired and false narrative.
4) reading LS town for old reasons. a player says "i am going to try to mess with my standard of play" and you meta read him town; i can't even. but beyond that LS has done nothing to warrant a TR from anyone. almost all he has done is ask continuation questions that aren't particularly pointed and take information without giving opinions of his own. she shouldn't ever be making that read based on his play thus far and shouldn't be making a meta read based on LS's pregame comments; so i think the read is a pile, which means both her reads are piles. On March 25 2016 05:18 ritoky wrote:
you see this is my problem with you right here and why there's a decent chance you're mafia. you're asking continuation questions but then not making definitive conclusions and you're sitting here trying to take as much information as possible without giving any. townies are givers at heart because it is all we got.
"explain pls" -> "irrelevant comment" -> "well it's okay, let me wait and get back to you later"; you concluded nothing about my or rsouls alignment from that question. this is not an isolated incident either, this is much of your filter. why ask the question if you're going nowhere with it? and shape makes a giant read post and your only thought is "explain SL" who he says pretty much "i can't properly explain this, it is meta"....that's all you cared about from that and you made no determinations about his alignment from it? really? Now her new read is kurumi is scum which is a cop out. Kurumi is very unlikely scum in this spot, and besides his posting size nothing he actually wrote is bad if you cared to read it. It's kind of unprecedented levels of effort by kurumi and I get where he is comming from when he gets angry about people attacking him for putting an effort. I don't think rsoul has even bothered to filter her own scum read, as she accused shapelog of doing. My vote stays. You quoted a post explaining how rsoul is scum and another one explaining why LS, who rsoul townreads, might be scum. Why should rsoul read these posts and be like "I was wrong rit could be town" ? I don't think I ever answer this and no follow up.
Yes I forgot about that.
On March 30 2016 20:47 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 00:23 Rels wrote:
Samdroba you came into the game late. You used the link in the op to find the day 1 post I assume ? I answered this and no follow up.
Cause it was finished. If you had said "I clicked on the link in the OP", I would have known it was bullshit 'cause you apparently didn't know gumshoe was dead during your first posts, but in the OP it's clearly indicated. It was a trap to see if you lied about that or not.
On March 30 2016 20:47 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 08:16 Rels wrote:On March 27 2016 21:09 sandroba wrote:
yo kurumi what's the name of your role and what does it do? This is soooo townie. Comparing Kuru's role name with his own. Solving the game. He was already 99% town for shooting someone scum would never shoot and this seals the deal. You and LS tipped the scales on d1 vote tube vs rsoul. I was not particularly fond of your explanation or the timing of it. Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 06:25 Rels wrote:On March 26 2016 00:00 Tubesock wrote:
Gums had votes on him already and was in danger. Why would anyone need to go all super giant case on the guy with what like 36 hours left in the day? If you are looking for someone to just lynch, then sure, secure that shit right away. But if you're town, I'd think you'd want to find out more and gain truth. The biggest thing for him being scum is this post. A lot of hours after its first reason to scumread Kurumi, tube is still stuck with the same reasonning. His scumread is not evolving with the thread. Futhermore, there is also the fact that he is so focused on only a couple people. Plus the read switch on me. Plus the "I would have scumread gumshoe if Kurumi didn't jump on him" sentence with doens't make sense. This reasoning seems pretty flawed, tube was arguing a point, regardless if time passes scummy shit that he thinks happened don't go away. I found this very underwhelming when comparing to your arguments last game.
No this is a good D1 case.
On March 30 2016 20:47 sandroba wrote:Also these 2 posts have me worried Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 05:10 Rels wrote:On March 25 2016 13:25 Tictock wrote:On March 25 2016 05:44 Tictock wrote:
I'll get to reading this sometime tonight. Yea... this isn't actually happening scum!TT is tryhard. Of course he could change that for this game but I don't know why he would given being inactive is much more scummy than being tryhard. TT might be town Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 06:49 Rels wrote:On March 24 2016 12:27 rsoultin wrote:
badumdum!
ise the bedrock on which you're built, the cog in the machine, the...awful rsoul who has only skimmed lol >< So this is her breadcrumbs to an engineer role. So it's 100% sure she has this kind of role and didn't invent in reaction to stutters flip. So she's kinda confirmed town I think
Yeah you can scumread for this, it looks bad.
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On March 30 2016 20:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 20:01 Rels wrote:
VA needs to be in this list too.
I agree with the thought that Tumble is confirmed town unless Koshi is scum. If Koshi is town, TT and rsoul would have voted him over Tumble since he was more likely to be lynched. I don't agree with this. TT had koshi as obvious town and would be very obvious mafia if he voted koshi. I don't think rsoul could pull off a koshi vote out of the blue either based on her filter. I believe scum was happy to follow town on whoever they wanted to lynch ytd. Are you even looking at tumble's behavior here? Don't right him off as confirmed town before you read his filter and the circumstances in which the voting was done.
Yes I townread Tumble even before considering this. So this is an added indicator of town.
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On March 30 2016 21:01 sandroba wrote:
Also rels your reason for thinking I'm 99% town because I asked kurumi the name of his role, despite correct, is not something I would expect from someone that doesn't know my alignment. Same as your kurumi thing.
And apparently your kurumi town read has generated a confirmed town read from tumble on you. Don't you think that's a little bit odd?
No you read that wrong. The reason I think you're 99% town is you shooting someone scum would keep around to mislynch. The "game solving" mentality you've displayed is an added indicator for town.
I don't think it's odd Tumble townread me no, especially when it was easy to scumread me when I was super inactive.
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So you think Tumble's reasons to townread me are fabricated ?
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On March 30 2016 21:34 sandroba wrote:
Yes, his reads in general seem fabricated and shallow, same thing I said very early into day 1, still has not changed.
OK it's kinda weird he had to reread my filter when you asked me for a justification for the townread when he should know exactly why I am confirmed town if he thinks that. BUT two things: (1) he got mislynched last game for playing super passivly too and (2) he was the wagon both TT and rsoul pushed. I think that makes him town.
What game did we play together BTW ? You keep referring to this "last game" where I was obvious town
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On March 27 2016 20:40 Vivax wrote:
Today TickTock lynch is best lynch. He is sligthly being like me when I roll scum, plus he scumreads both other wagons from yesterday which is picking low hanging fruit at its finest.
Plus he townreads me so hard and Vayne and Tumble whom I both gave reasons to TR are null for him and he doesn't bother at least referencing to my posts where I do that.
The first push of Vivax after end of night 1 is pushing TT. He was already scumreading him during D1, but he's only mentioning him in that second post of his after EON1. It's possible he RBd him during N1 and concluded he was scum when he saw no KP.
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He's mentioning only him* what I mean is that he's pushing exclusively TT here. Gonna see if that holds true during the rest of the day. He was the main force behind TT push at deadline, let's see if he was pushing him all day.
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On March 29 2016 00:46 Vivax wrote:
So I'm trying to think if this rsoultin claim is legit, The one invents one receives part is really odd, and I have no idea how much role information scum got from Palmar, but I know that I'd feel really bad lynching a role that might do some good if actually town. So I'm back to the fence now that I'm not so worked up any more.
Then I remember the flavour of this game. Some guys are expedition, Kurumi is a soldier, there's an engineer... WTF is a commissar doing in the game? It's like you are in the middle of the desert like in the OP pic with soldiers, engineers and some starving dudes of an expedition and suddenly a police chief shows up "HELLO IM THE COMMISSAR WELCOME TO THE DESERT MAY I HELP YOU CALL 911" ? Nah, it's kinda an odd thing to think about but makes the sandro claim look fake lol.
LOL
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On March 29 2016 03:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 03:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Vivax what do you think of tumblewood and his most recent "lynch both wagons and leave" attitude? Im not lynching outside of Koshi or rsoultin today, information is more valuable than low information players right now, and I dont have enough to limit my reads to 5 players. If I look at tumble I stop looking at Koshi and maybe both have good reasons for them to be lynched but right now Im staying on course before I just get distracted by other stuff.
TT remained a scumread throughout D2 but he didn't furiously push him during the day. So I think he didn't RB him.
Actually he had clear reads but he didn't push anyone in particular. It's weird. Since he RBd someone, I would assumed he would have pushed that person during the day. But he's OK with several different lynches.
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On March 30 2016 22:12 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 22:08 Rels wrote:On March 29 2016 03:54 Vivax wrote:On March 29 2016 03:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Vivax what do you think of tumblewood and his most recent "lynch both wagons and leave" attitude? Im not lynching outside of Koshi or rsoultin today, information is more valuable than low information players right now, and I dont have enough to limit my reads to 5 players. If I look at tumble I stop looking at Koshi and maybe both have good reasons for them to be lynched but right now Im staying on course before I just get distracted by other stuff. TT remained a scumread throughout D2 but he didn't furiously push him during the day. So I think he didn't RB him. Actually he had clear reads but he didn't push anyone in particular. It's weird. Since he RBd someone, I would assumed he would have pushed that person during the day. But he's OK with several different lynches. Read the quote from Vivax which sandroba posted. Quite clear that he rb Kurumi. Highest % chance.
Please requote, 'cause unless he said that later than where I am I missed it.
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On March 29 2016 07:14 Vivax wrote:
AND BTW RSOULTIN IS STILL SCUM.
WE GOT THE GAME IN THE BAG.
SHe is an engineer, but indeed a rebel engineer if I look at the flavour from the flip.
#swag
Wow WAIT A SECOND. This might be true.
AND ACTUALLY THAT IS PROBABLY HIM SLIPPING THAT HE S TOWN DOC
Like:
Vivax doc - TT Rebel doc
Stutters engi - rsoul rebel engi
So if we go that way:
Sandroba commisionner - Kurumi soldier <= one of them is scum
Damdred medic confirmed town unless his counterpart counterclaims
SL vet confirmed town 'cause his counterpart didn't claim
Slam day vig confirmed town 'cause his counterpart didn't claim
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On March 30 2016 22:17 Damdred wrote:
Its honestly pretty clear that our was blocked, no shot and koshi wasn't protected. Plus a dead RS today its pretty logical.
Rels suddenly calling me scum is amusing though especially with missing kp.
And Koshi I can explain I just really don't want mafia to know my limitations.
What a timing.
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