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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
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Kuragari42
United States346 Posts
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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CHodge
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Town: 1. You need to be active and productive. Most of D1 for over half the townies was literally the most unproductive shit ever. No player ever should be able to do very basic analysis and be instantly town read for it; especially when said analysis comes late in the day. 2. Posting/High Post Count =/= being active. The goal for town is to not give Scum room to hide. Artanis got to hide because he was doing very minimal things. Race was just posting random shit and no one was bothering to check him. DYH was just high activity. 3. Openings are important. In my experience, ~75% of scum are "caught" in the first 10 posts. Race and Artanis could easily have been lynched for their openings (for very different reasons); Race's townreads were really, really bad. Artanis was posting but basically worthless; he should've been the D2 lynch. A player who is as skilled as he is who isn't really trying to work with anyone else to get productive posts/lynches is scum. 4. Finding town is just (if not more) important than finding scum. Everyone had me as town on D1. The D1 lynch was culminating in a fuckfest of votes on random players. If you can't find a "good lynch" or a high scum flip, just vote with the player who's you're strongest townread. It's far more likely that whoever that person wants to lynch is scum than a random decision. 5. Town leaders who aren't leading and providing direction should be lynched. From what I saw, all the discussion basically focused around Artanis; by this I mean who he talked about, focused on, etc. But he literally spent zero time actively trying to push an effective agenda. 6. In a 3v2 LYLO when votes are 4:1 especially early on and everybody is staying on, you're lynching town. The last lynch was really bad. Scum: This game was basically a cake walk. After killing me it was just basically riding the D1 vote. Plus, Artanis basically filled the town leader role for you. However, you need to watch your early reads on people. Early townreads aren't necessarily a bad play, but you need those reads to be effective and defendable. Part of the reason why you should townread people is to help support allies (like Artanis and DYH), to buddy/pocket town players (to throw them off), or to help push a scumread on a townie. Everyone: 1. You should ALWAYS have a reason for why you're posting what you're posting. If you're town, you should be trying to move the game forward. If you're scum, you should be holding the game back (somehow). Before you hit the button to post, ask your self "Is this post helping me meet my win condition?" If the answer is no, then change what you're writing or delete it. 2. Figure out your role in the game. By this I mean, do you need to be a follower or a leader. A team with all chieftans and no Indians will lose because there's no direction as the team is being drawn in too many directions. A team with all Indians and no chieftans will lose because there's never a direction anywhere. FYI, just because you're VT doesn't mean you're an indian. Just because your a role doesn't mean you're a chieftan. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 15 2016 00:25 Tumblewood wrote: I don't think Art would tell his partners to vote Goss if it didn't certainly lead to a lynch /m169 Yes, just do that. Maybe vote for Goss first claiming you thought I was town and don't know what's going on then end up changing it in the end.  | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
I just lend my essence to the scumteam and BAM! Victory Sweet victory | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 16 2016 12:40 Alakaslam wrote: I am so coach I don't even need to coach I just lend my essence to the scumteam and BAM! Victory Sweet victory HIJOLE | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
I was just like "I am wifom" "Everything going swimmingly, amirite?" "Coo u win" | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On April 16 2016 11:23 CHodge wrote: I actually feel pretty good about my play considering my work schedule. A few things to note about this game: Town: 1. You need to be active and productive. Most of D1 for over half the townies was literally the most unproductive shit ever. No player ever should be able to do very basic analysis and be instantly town read for it; especially when said analysis comes late in the day. 2. Posting/High Post Count =/= being active. The goal for town is to not give Scum room to hide. Artanis got to hide because he was doing very minimal things. Race was just posting random shit and no one was bothering to check him. DYH was just high activity. 3. Openings are important. In my experience, ~75% of scum are "caught" in the first 10 posts. Race and Artanis could easily have been lynched for their openings (for very different reasons); Race's townreads were really, really bad. Artanis was posting but basically worthless; he should've been the D2 lynch. A player who is as skilled as he is who isn't really trying to work with anyone else to get productive posts/lynches is scum. 4. Finding town is just (if not more) important than finding scum. Everyone had me as town on D1. The D1 lynch was culminating in a fuckfest of votes on random players. If you can't find a "good lynch" or a high scum flip, just vote with the player who's you're strongest townread. It's far more likely that whoever that person wants to lynch is scum than a random decision. 5. Town leaders who aren't leading and providing direction should be lynched. From what I saw, all the discussion basically focused around Artanis; by this I mean who he talked about, focused on, etc. But he literally spent zero time actively trying to push an effective agenda. 6. In a 3v2 LYLO when votes are 4:1 especially early on and everybody is staying on, you're lynching town. The last lynch was really bad. Scum: This game was basically a cake walk. After killing me it was just basically riding the D1 vote. Plus, Artanis basically filled the town leader role for you. However, you need to watch your early reads on people. Early townreads aren't necessarily a bad play, but you need those reads to be effective and defendable. Part of the reason why you should townread people is to help support allies (like Artanis and DYH), to buddy/pocket town players (to throw them off), or to help push a scumread on a townie. Everyone: 1. You should ALWAYS have a reason for why you're posting what you're posting. If you're town, you should be trying to move the game forward. If you're scum, you should be holding the game back (somehow). Before you hit the button to post, ask your self "Is this post helping me meet my win condition?" If the answer is no, then change what you're writing or delete it. 2. Figure out your role in the game. By this I mean, do you need to be a follower or a leader. A team with all chieftans and no Indians will lose because there's no direction as the team is being drawn in too many directions. A team with all Indians and no chieftans will lose because there's never a direction anywhere. FYI, just because you're VT doesn't mean you're an indian. Just because your a role doesn't mean you're a chieftan. Good tips. I'm sad people didn't trust my ironclad case on Artanis tho :/ after I've posted the extended explanation there was no way to refute it imo | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
didn't follow since I was so mad being the first lynch | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Final phase, Race Bannon and DYH both had some VERY shady posts (esp DYH) and Kura was refuting them well unfortunately the rest of the town lacked presence. DYH was playing to his scum meta of using WIFOM points to advance his agenda (i.e. Artanis and RB wouldn't be associated....how would you know either way and how does this explain why Kura is scum? Why is Kura scum? Well....) But otherwise he was harder to catch, mafia had it easy to move in this poor collective activity. RB's biggest problem - and if anyone held him accountable for this I completely missed it - was his votes Day 1 and Day 2 as well as his poor basis for his townreads. His pushing on Kura was painting him scummy for completely NAI reasons - a more alert town would have kept him accountable. I pretty much had RB scumread nearly the entire game between the voting, his reads and his mylo behaviour. Would have 1000% vig shot him. GGs scummers and cheers on the hosts. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On April 18 2016 01:49 boxerfred wrote: GB you suck hard ❤️ A whole town mislynched you. You can't blame me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 18 2016 01:49 boxerfred wrote: GB you suck hard I am not really sure who you can call the only player (besides Tumble) whe actually made a legitmate case on mafia out for sucking?? I am discounting Gossemerr here since obviously he had extra information at some point. On April 18 2016 05:42 Half the Sky wrote: Just a few tidbits on mylo. Final phase, Race Bannon and DYH both had some VERY shady posts (esp DYH) and Kura was refuting them well unfortunately the rest of the town lacked presence. DYH was playing to his scum meta of using WIFOM points to advance his agenda (i.e. Artanis and RB wouldn't be associated....how would you know either way and how does this explain why Kura is scum? Why is Kura scum? Well....) But otherwise he was harder to catch, mafia had it easy to move in this poor collective activity. RB's biggest problem - and if anyone held him accountable for this I completely missed it - was his votes Day 1 and Day 2 as well as his poor basis for his townreads. His pushing on Kura was painting him scummy for completely NAI reasons - a more alert town would have kept him accountable. I pretty much had RB scumread nearly the entire game between the voting, his reads and his mylo behaviour. Would have 1000% vig shot him. GGs scummers and cheers on the hosts. idk how i would have caught DYH in this game if i even had. Basically everyone looked so shit purely based on activity it would have been hard. After D3 lynch it was quite clear that at least one of Kuragari/RB is mafia. Kuragari looked like he was just legitmately wrong and therefore town while RB looked like he was willing to push Artanis (or call him scum) whenever it didn't matter and whenever it mattered he did something else, or nothing. Basically what you just said in the bolded part. Admittedly i havent read many posts of the game but maybe this same thing could be applied to DYH? I blurry remember him "pushing" Artanis at some point (before D3 -- i wouldn't really count D3 since from the point where Gossemerr made his case it is expected scum at least realizes there is a high chance of him being the cop with a check). It would have been hard though since everyone else (except for Tumblewood -- after N3) looked worse than him. I don't know anything of what happened on D4, so you could be right though HtS. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
That being said I skimmed the game and have some random comments on stuff I vaguely remember to share. edit: to clarify: I was skimming the game along while it was going on live, not afterwards. Just didn't have proper time to comment this WE.  I agree, DYH was not that easy to catch before D4. I remember thinking D2 "Hmm... DYH hasn't done anything decent yet", but after reading his filter I was like "nah, more town than most players in this". So he was actually a decent TR for me at that point. Which made me more inclined to believe: On April 09 2016 05:44 DoYouHas wrote: RB seems town for tone. Hard for newbies to fake that level of paranoia/distrust. So starting D2 and until D4 I was totally sleeping on two of the scummers. Good thing I am super waffly when I actually play and constantly reread stuff... Generally this super low level of activity hurt town a bunch. Unfortunately this seems to be a trend in recent NSM games. Like only slam dunk town were CHodge and Fidei. Who made for two super easy nightkills, especially with the Vet gone. The low level of activity also resulted in a super messy and horrible D1 voting. Another random note: While Kuragari42 made some decent posts towards the end I would have loved for him to push someone. Like in his position he 100% knows that town loses if he dies, so trying to get someone else lynched is always better. Yeah, most ppl were already afk and it was kinda hard to come up with an reasonable alternative in this game, but he should have at least tried imo. I'll try to reread the newer players filters and some context and provide more comments. If all else fails geript has offered some great advise so listen to him. xD | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 19 2016 04:41 disformation wrote: Like only slam dunk town were CHodge and Fidei. Who made for two super easy nightkills... I disagree with this btw. I would have killed Artanis/Damdred/DYH as mafia every night over them, regardless of their reads. CHodge's reads on D1 basically were (based on his filter); - calls basically every person he talks about "possible mafia".. oh well.. that was it Fidei was only a good NK if mafia thinks he was copped N1 (which is a reasonable assumption i agree). There was nothing much townie in his filter. | ||
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