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On April 11 2016 05:45 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 05:37 Gossemerr wrote:On April 11 2016 05:33 Race Bannon wrote:On April 11 2016 05:08 Gossemerr wrote:On April 11 2016 00:37 Race Bannon wrote:
##Vote: Shapelog
For not updating the players list and important posts info.
Have you caught up yet? What are your thoughts on Art since you voted him last second. Too scummy to be scum. I think he's town and I'll be taking the piss out of him a lot reminding him of this game. My scumreads are LS Damdred and a lurker. Can you elaborate on what too scummy to be scum means? His cred for once? Everything GB said seems to be true. I know I'm town. He's townreading who I think is probscum and largely ignoring the lurkers. He's done everything wrong, I don't think scum would go full derp like that. And the thing about townreading CH it's ridiculous how he insists on slicing it up and viewing the pieces independently and out of context. Defending LS with meta that he dphimself denounced and now this naive assertion of LS's attempt to get me lynched being genuine and town. My last second vote was due to me being overwhelmed and my tablet clumsiness. I was stuxk with the notion of having to choose between RB and him, didn't evwn register the push on TW until after I pseudo-voted
I presume you meant GB and me rather than yourself.
Why am I too scummy to be scum rather than just scum? You said too scummy to be scum but when did that happen? Why are LS Damdred (and presumably Kura after Spika's flip) mafia?
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Oh so we can't no lynch. Bravo we now in LYLO :\ I guess this ruins the no lynch plan........
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We had to put my dog to sleep today. Don't count on me doing much.
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Now that kill seems like a set up for getting ls killed, way 2 obvious since fidei was riding him so hard. Clearly fid was an easy scum kill given that he was one of the few actually contributing. Our best move will be to lynch artanis. Putting us all up to that eod1 shit. After tunneling so hard on gb. Really? Then he moves perfectly back into the gb case and gets him ml’d. (which I certainly fell for as well). artanis = MAFIA, and we need to lynch him.
guys/gals we are not going to lose today -- The case against Artanis.
On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? Fidei, please shit townie rainbows if you're actually town. GlowingBear, please explain your BF read and thought process.
1. Now this is fucking nitpicking but if you follow his filter you’ll see this; notice how in the above he says With the people not “with how many.” Implying he knows something more than a town would = who is town and who are his SCUM buddies. He doesn’t give a flying fuck that he just caused a ML after tunneling in on a townie that he was so confident was scum (read his filter from D1 if you have any doubts on his thought process that day.) Why would it matter if GB was not there to defend himself, which would be best case scenario to lynch a mafia member when they can’t even talk their way out of it. Read GB’s case again on the matter:
On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing
2. This follows that Artanis had a clear intention to set up his lynch targets from the very beginning. Race gets set up and has been poked by Artanis throughout most of this game:
On April 05 2016 09:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Through objective analysis I've deduced that Tumblewood, Spikasaur and Race Bannon are our 3 scum players. You may ask me why in the morning.
Obviously D1 early callout means nothing, but it is like that movie with Will Smith where they set the gambler guy to pick a certain number by placing that number in plain sight for the whole week before hand. In this case Art has done it with GB and Race.
3.Read his response to GB’s case – spoilers because its long, well planned, and trys to counter every single point:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 10 2016 02:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Okay guys, you know who we're not lynching today? Me. I'm going to make a long-ass post right the fuck now and you're all going to read it and realize how bad you were for ever even considering me as scum, after which I will slam dunk scumbear some more. If for whatever reason you don't want to lynch him we can also lynch scum bannon. To keep your interest in this post and read it all the way through, I have uploaded several entertaining images depicting emotions I expect these two fellows to have as they go through this post. This post will contain narrative and self-meta. Deal with it. You're mafia because you wanted people to shenanny to Fidei when you were scumreading both GB and RB!First off, I have never* shenannied as mafia, whereas I have shenannied many times as town. I keep things simple as mafia, going for the safe plays over the fancy plays. I like to have control, not cause even more chaos like what happened. No one could've predicted what would happen at EoD and if any of the lead wagons were scum and Fidei is town, I could end up looking really bad and/or scum ends up getting lynched instead. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/45D0BED.gif) GB casually escaping the thread after realizing he's fuckedThat is technically correct. However, it is also narrative. Another explanation is that I simply thought Fidei was the most likely to flip mafia given the fact that Fidei generally tryhards, finds out he's playing a game 2 hours before deadline and doesn't put in any effort to do anything and just starts playing dota. I found that very unlikely to come from town. Since then I have changed my opinion on him given what he's posted during the night. Regardless, there is clear town motivation for my actions. I tried getting the person I felt was most likely to flip scum lynched. I no longer think he's the most likely person to flip scum, so I'm persuing GRB. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6XMRSM3.gif) Race Bannon realizing the gig is upGB's return to the thread has been less than impressive. He's tunneling me much like he usually tunnels HF. None of his posts have followup. He said he played along with me in the start, but never followed up on it. He commented on a bunch of things people have been posting, but none of those had followups either. Calls me scum but doesn't actually substantiate it until I call him out on it and doesn't push the issue until he sees that it's gaining some momentum. So how certain are you that GB is going to flip scum?Roughly.. 80%? Probably around 60% for RB. Okay, so say the EoD shenannies don't make you scum. You still did nothing on the first part of D1 leading up to deadline.I have said in the pregame that I intend to spend less time on this game than before. I still pinged plenty of people and as many have put it, sparked discussion. Reads on DYH, Tumblewood, GB and Spikasaur that weren't posted as prolifically yet as I had as well as poking Damdred and RB. I say that given the amount of time I've put in the game I've done my fair share. Regardless you misremembered things about EoD!Shit was hectic and I have bad memory. I don't believe having poor memory is alignment indicative, especially when it's about things that can easily be checked. No reason to lie as either alignment. So there's basically no good reason to scumread you whatsoever?Yup, that's kinda what it comes down to. Y'all are jubjubs. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e8pZk3A.gif) Scumbear being chased by the man of the hour, I've already mentioned a lot of reasons why he's scum. No followup on anything he's done, and lack of caring in general. He created a narrative in which the actions at EoD make sense for him as town and me as scum, when actually the scenario that would make the most sense is for me to be town as I led a lynch off of him onto someone else whom could be scum. The only townie with the information that that isn't true is Fidei himself, and the fact that GB created this narrative before considering any others suggests an agenda. Race Bannon has contradicted himself time and time again. Firstly what Gossemerr pointed out about him believing that it was a mafia trait to hard townread CHodge only to do it himself, and his push on LS feels feigned. He doesn't dare to commit on GB because he doesn't want to scumread his scumbuddy. There are no good arguments not to vote on GB especially for him as he was on the table himself and he KNOWS he's town. The fact that he seems so disengaged on all the people that were up for lynch yesterday is concerning. So who are we lynching?Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well. *Exception being Imperial where I shenannied onto Palmar, but if I hadn't scum Marv would've likely gotten lynched. No such risk this game as proven by BF's flip.
Going to just pull out one part:
So who are we lynching?
Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well.
Everything about his process is methodical, planned, and leading us to misslynch our town. So many posts about RB.
On April 10 2016 07:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Fidei what's your current read on RB?
4. Everyone read this post:
On April 10 2016 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:39 Gossemerr wrote:
Can someone explain why we are adding lynch targets with 20 minutes left on the Day. We are going to end up with the EOD1 scenario... Bleh, you're right. Me or GB today guys.
This is so NOT something a townie would do. Why would a town basically say its ok to misslynch them. He should be pushing GB super hard right now to make sure his top scum suspect gets the noose. But he doesn't have to here because I ended up doing that for him through my own bad reads and wanting the town to consolidate for once.
5. Backpeddling to fall back on when GB flips town:
On April 10 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I must say that GB's reasonableness is making me itchy too though blsfkjsdf
5. After the ML: On April 10 2016 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Off for the night now. Will make more sense of it tomorrow.
Doesn't followup because he doesn't need to make sense of it for us. It DOESN'T as a town. Period.
On April 11 2016 07:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Don't have time for elaborated reads unfortunately. Scum leans on RB and I really dunno who else, so I'd default to the inactives. Townleans on Damdred/Fidei/TW/DYH/Gosse/LS roughly in that order. Need to look into Kura and Spike more.
6. Back on RB. No other analysis on anyone else. Has barely talked about DYH or Dam, and only slightly on TW and LS because he was forced too.
In Summary
A. Picks out GB and RB D1
B. Eod1 shenns, doesn’t lynch his top scum
C. Calm after ML, perfect response to criticisms
D. Back to focusing on GB D2
E. Backpedals near lynch deadline
F. N2 Doesn't care about ML, at least in terms of trying to make sense of it and content -- keeping the town muddled and in the dark.
G. N2/D3 back to RB push that he set up from the beginning
Artanis is mafia. lynch today and we can move forward.
Artanis is not demonstrating any sort of read progressions or deviations from his thoughts since the beginning of the game. IT IS FOLLOWING A PLAN. He is scum and needs to die.
P.S: also read TW's case against him:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2016 04:01 Tumblewood wrote:
Incoming "wtf is TW saying":
There's a reason I thought that Art was scum if GB was town: the case was too perfect. What I mean by that is that for every response GB had to the case, Art had a refutation. Perhaps what I'm trying to say is that the case felt very calculated and not organic (there was also virtually no emotion behind Art's words). If that happens, either town really caught scum, or scum is pushing hard for a ML. This is mostly a tone / feel read, but I feel weirdly good about it.
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On April 12 2016 01:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
We had to put my dog to sleep today. Don't count on me doing much.
Fuck man. I'm so so sorry.
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I'm liking Tumble as scum. Not only has he voted for 2 flipped town (boxer and GB) but his filter is kind of lame. And if Tumble is scum, art[xp] may be as well because #649, #770/#772 seems like the kind of team bus that he'd do.
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On April 07 2016 08:02 Shapelog wrote:Final vote count
Boxerfred (4): GlowingBear, LightningStrike, Tumblewood, Damdred, Fidei86, Damdred Fidei86 (3): Artanis[Xp]. Damdred, DoYouHas, SpikasuarGlowingBear (2): Artanis[Xp], CHodge, Kuragari42, Tumblewood Tumblewood (1): DoYouHas, boxerfredRace Bannon (1): CHodge, Gossemerr, CHodge, LightningStrike (1): Race Bannon Gossemerr (1): Fidei86,Non-Voters (0):
On April 10 2016 08:07 Shapelog wrote:Ye Ole Final vote count
GlowingBear (4): Artanis[XP], Gossemerr,Tumblewood, Fidei86Tumblewood (3):DoYouHas Damdred. GlowingBear, DoYouHas LightningStrike (0): Race Bannon Artanis[Xp] (1): GlowingBear, DoYouHas Race Bannon Spikasaur (0): Fidei86Race Bannon (1): LightningStrike Non-Voters: Kuragari42, Spikasaur
Here we go.
Day1: Scum split their vote. With 6 lynch candidates with at least 1 vote the odds of all 3 being on different wagons goes up. Unfortunately not to much to be gotten out purely on votes. Damdred gets townpoints for the last second swap back to BF, which at least gave us a bit more information than the Fid lynch.
Day2: Art, Goss, and TW all piled onto GB where they ended up on seperate wagons D1. Not too extraordinary since TW followed Art onto GB D1. Race throws his vote onto a non-wagon for a second time. LS throws away his vote on Race.
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Support for Art as scum, support for LS as scum, Race needs another look.
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boxerfred(D1):
Town: DYH - Scum: TW, Damdred
CHodge(N1):
Town: Damdred - Scum: Race - Null: Everyone else.
GB(D2):
Town: Race, Kura - Scum: TW, LS, Art
Fidei86(N2):
Early - Town: Race, DYH, Damdred - Scum: TW, Goss, Art - Null: Kura
Late - Kinda all over the place. Wanted to lynch LS.
Spikasaur(N2):
No solid reads. Early townread on DYH, early suspicion but mostly null on Art.
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Looking carefully into LS and Race after dinner.
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On April 12 2016 10:03 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 08:02 Shapelog wrote:Final vote count
Boxerfred (4): GlowingBear, LightningStrike, Tumblewood, Damdred, Fidei86, Damdred Fidei86 (3): Artanis[Xp]. Damdred, DoYouHas, SpikasuarGlowingBear (2): Artanis[Xp], CHodge, Kuragari42, Tumblewood Tumblewood (1): DoYouHas, boxerfredRace Bannon (1): CHodge, Gossemerr, CHodge, LightningStrike (1): Race Bannon Gossemerr (1): Fidei86,Non-Voters (0): Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 08:07 Shapelog wrote:Ye Ole Final vote count
GlowingBear (4): Artanis[XP], Gossemerr,Tumblewood, Fidei86Tumblewood (3):DoYouHas Damdred. GlowingBear, DoYouHas LightningStrike (0): Race Bannon Artanis[Xp] (1): GlowingBear, DoYouHas Race Bannon Spikasaur (0): Fidei86Race Bannon (1): LightningStrike Non-Voters: Kuragari42, Spikasaur Here we go. Day1: Scum split their vote. With 6 lynch candidates with at least 1 vote the odds of all 3 being on different wagons goes up. Unfortunately not to much to be gotten out purely on votes. Damdred gets townpoints for the last second swap back to BF, which at least gave us a bit more information than the Fid lynch. Day2: Art, Goss, and TW all piled onto GB where they ended up on seperate wagons D1. Not too extraordinary since TW followed Art onto GB D1. Race throws his vote onto a non-wagon for a second time. LS throws away his vote on Race. - Support for Art as scum, support for LS as scum, Race needs another look.
I tried to get people off GB and Lex 10 mins before EoD but no one fucking listened to me -_-
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I honestly feel very guilty about my behavior towards James before his death. I was just mad because of OGI reasons that I wont state here.
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Right now the only person I'm confident in calling town is Damdred.
I can't come up with a scumteam that makes sense with the voting and the NK flip reads that doesn't include Art.
##Vote: Artanis
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@Damdred, where are you at with all of this?
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On April 12 2016 11:03 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 10:03 DoYouHas wrote:On April 07 2016 08:02 Shapelog wrote:Final vote count
Boxerfred (4): GlowingBear, LightningStrike, Tumblewood, Damdred, Fidei86, Damdred Fidei86 (3): Artanis[Xp]. Damdred, DoYouHas, SpikasuarGlowingBear (2): Artanis[Xp], CHodge, Kuragari42, Tumblewood Tumblewood (1): DoYouHas, boxerfredRace Bannon (1): CHodge, Gossemerr, CHodge, LightningStrike (1): Race Bannon Gossemerr (1): Fidei86,Non-Voters (0): On April 10 2016 08:07 Shapelog wrote:Ye Ole Final vote count
GlowingBear (4): Artanis[XP], Gossemerr,Tumblewood, Fidei86Tumblewood (3):DoYouHas Damdred. GlowingBear, DoYouHas LightningStrike (0): Race Bannon Artanis[Xp] (1): GlowingBear, DoYouHas Race Bannon Spikasaur (0): Fidei86Race Bannon (1): LightningStrike Non-Voters: Kuragari42, Spikasaur Here we go. Day1: Scum split their vote. With 6 lynch candidates with at least 1 vote the odds of all 3 being on different wagons goes up. Unfortunately not to much to be gotten out purely on votes. Damdred gets townpoints for the last second swap back to BF, which at least gave us a bit more information than the Fid lynch. Day2: Art, Goss, and TW all piled onto GB where they ended up on seperate wagons D1. Not too extraordinary since TW followed Art onto GB D1. Race throws his vote onto a non-wagon for a second time. LS throws away his vote on Race. - Support for Art as scum, support for LS as scum, Race needs another look. I tried to get people off GB and Lex 10 mins before EoD but no one fucking listened to me -_-
Right, we all kind of tunneled in on him. Art made a pretty persuasive case.
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Kura, you were here for two hours and all you have is a scumread on me? You have about two reads since D1. Please make a real case on someone.
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official scum team: art, rb, kura
if you have any objections to these three lynches please object or else I'm assuming this is our plan for the rest of the game
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[QUOTE]On April 12 2016 13:06 DoYouHas wrote:
Right now the only person I'm confident in calling town is Damdred.
Why? I'm going through his filter now.
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I am not getting my first mislynch ever as town in LYLO. Fuck you all.
On April 12 2016 02:11 Gossemerr wrote:Now that kill seems like a set up for getting ls killed, way 2 obvious since fidei was riding him so hard. Clearly fid was an easy scum kill given that he was one of the few actually contributing. Our best move will be to lynch artanis. Putting us all up to that eod1 shit. After tunneling so hard on gb. Really? Then he moves perfectly back into the gb case and gets him ml’d. (which I certainly fell for as well). artanis = MAFIA, and we need to lynch him. guys/gals we are not going to lose today -- The case against Artanis.Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? Fidei, please shit townie rainbows if you're actually town. GlowingBear, please explain your BF read and thought process. 1. Now this is fucking nitpicking but if you follow his filter you’ll see this; notice how in the above he says With the people not “with how many.” Implying he knows something more than a town would = who is town and who are his SCUM buddies. He doesn’t give a flying fuck that he just caused a ML after tunneling in on a townie that he was so confident was scum (read his filter from D1 if you have any doubts on his thought process that day.) Why would it matter if GB was not there to defend himself, which would be best case scenario to lynch a mafia member when they can’t even talk their way out of it. Read GB’s case again on the matter: Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing 2. This follows that Artanis had a clear intention to set up his lynch targets from the very beginning. Race gets set up and has been poked by Artanis throughout most of this game: Show nested quote +On April 05 2016 09:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Through objective analysis I've deduced that Tumblewood, Spikasaur and Race Bannon are our 3 scum players. You may ask me why in the morning. Obviously D1 early callout means nothing, but it is like that movie with Will Smith where they set the gambler guy to pick a certain number by placing that number in plain sight for the whole week before hand. In this case Art has done it with GB and Race. 3.Read his response to GB’s case – spoilers because its long, well planned, and trys to counter every single point: + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2016 02:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Okay guys, you know who we're not lynching today? Me. I'm going to make a long-ass post right the fuck now and you're all going to read it and realize how bad you were for ever even considering me as scum, after which I will slam dunk scumbear some more. If for whatever reason you don't want to lynch him we can also lynch scum bannon. To keep your interest in this post and read it all the way through, I have uploaded several entertaining images depicting emotions I expect these two fellows to have as they go through this post. This post will contain narrative and self-meta. Deal with it. You're mafia because you wanted people to shenanny to Fidei when you were scumreading both GB and RB!First off, I have never* shenannied as mafia, whereas I have shenannied many times as town. I keep things simple as mafia, going for the safe plays over the fancy plays. I like to have control, not cause even more chaos like what happened. No one could've predicted what would happen at EoD and if any of the lead wagons were scum and Fidei is town, I could end up looking really bad and/or scum ends up getting lynched instead. GB casually escaping the thread after realizing he's fucked But GB brought up this point about how you could push him the day after if you're scum!That is technically correct. However, it is also narrative. Another explanation is that I simply thought Fidei was the most likely to flip mafia given the fact that Fidei generally tryhards, finds out he's playing a game 2 hours before deadline and doesn't put in any effort to do anything and just starts playing dota. I found that very unlikely to come from town. Since then I have changed my opinion on him given what he's posted during the night. Regardless, there is clear town motivation for my actions. I tried getting the person I felt was most likely to flip scum lynched. I no longer think he's the most likely person to flip scum, so I'm persuing GRB. Race Bannon realizing the gig is up But why did you instantly go after GB and RB again? Clearly you're confident enough that they're scum, so why?GB's return to the thread has been less than impressive. He's tunneling me much like he usually tunnels HF. None of his posts have followup. He said he played along with me in the start, but never followed up on it. He commented on a bunch of things people have been posting, but none of those had followups either. Calls me scum but doesn't actually substantiate it until I call him out on it and doesn't push the issue until he sees that it's gaining some momentum. So how certain are you that GB is going to flip scum?Roughly.. 80%? Probably around 60% for RB. Okay, so say the EoD shenannies don't make you scum. You still did nothing on the first part of D1 leading up to deadline.I have said in the pregame that I intend to spend less time on this game than before. I still pinged plenty of people and as many have put it, sparked discussion. Reads on DYH, Tumblewood, GB and Spikasaur that weren't posted as prolifically yet as I had as well as poking Damdred and RB. I say that given the amount of time I've put in the game I've done my fair share. Regardless you misremembered things about EoD!Shit was hectic and I have bad memory. I don't believe having poor memory is alignment indicative, especially when it's about things that can easily be checked. No reason to lie as either alignment. So there's basically no good reason to scumread you whatsoever?Yup, that's kinda what it comes down to. Y'all are jubjubs. Scumbear being chased by the man of the hour Can you tell us why GB and RB are scum again now?GlowingBear, I've already mentioned a lot of reasons why he's scum. No followup on anything he's done, and lack of caring in general. He created a narrative in which the actions at EoD make sense for him as town and me as scum, when actually the scenario that would make the most sense is for me to be town as I led a lynch off of him onto someone else whom could be scum. The only townie with the information that that isn't true is Fidei himself, and the fact that GB created this narrative before considering any others suggests an agenda. Race Bannon has contradicted himself time and time again. Firstly what Gossemerr pointed out about him believing that it was a mafia trait to hard townread CHodge only to do it himself, and his push on LS feels feigned. He doesn't dare to commit on GB because he doesn't want to scumread his scumbuddy. There are no good arguments not to vote on GB especially for him as he was on the table himself and he KNOWS he's town. The fact that he seems so disengaged on all the people that were up for lynch yesterday is concerning. So who are we lynching?Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well. *Exception being Imperial where I shenannied onto Palmar, but if I hadn't scum Marv would've likely gotten lynched. No such risk this game as proven by BF's flip. Going to just pull out one part: Show nested quote + So who are we lynching?
Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well.
Everything about his process is methodical, planned, and leading us to misslynch our town. So many posts about RB. Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Fidei what's your current read on RB? 4. Everyone read this post: Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 10 2016 07:39 Gossemerr wrote:
Can someone explain why we are adding lynch targets with 20 minutes left on the Day. We are going to end up with the EOD1 scenario... Bleh, you're right. Me or GB today guys. This is so NOT something a townie would do. Why would a town basically say its ok to misslynch them. He should be pushing GB super hard right now to make sure his top scum suspect gets the noose. But he doesn't have to here because I ended up doing that for him through my own bad reads and wanting the town to consolidate for once. 5. Backpeddling to fall back on when GB flips town: Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I must say that GB's reasonableness is making me itchy too though blsfkjsdf 5. After the ML: Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Off for the night now. Will make more sense of it tomorrow. Doesn't followup because he doesn't need to make sense of it for us. It DOESN'T as a town. Period. Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 07:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Don't have time for elaborated reads unfortunately. Scum leans on RB and I really dunno who else, so I'd default to the inactives. Townleans on Damdred/Fidei/TW/DYH/Gosse/LS roughly in that order. Need to look into Kura and Spike more. 6. Back on RB. No other analysis on anyone else. Has barely talked about DYH or Dam, and only slightly on TW and LS because he was forced too. In SummaryA. Picks out GB and RB D1 B. Eod1 shenns, doesn’t lynch his top scum C. Calm after ML, perfect response to criticisms D. Back to focusing on GB D2 E. Backpedals near lynch deadline F. N2 Doesn't care about ML, at least in terms of trying to make sense of it and content -- keeping the town muddled and in the dark. G. N2/D3 back to RB push that he set up from the beginning Artanis is mafia. lynch today and we can move forward.
Artanis is not demonstrating any sort of read progressions or deviations from his thoughts since the beginning of the game. IT IS FOLLOWING A PLAN. He is scum and needs to die.P.S: also read TW's case against him: + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2016 04:01 Tumblewood wrote:
Incoming "wtf is TW saying":
There's a reason I thought that Art was scum if GB was town: the case was too perfect. What I mean by that is that for every response GB had to the case, Art had a refutation. Perhaps what I'm trying to say is that the case felt very calculated and not organic (there was also virtually no emotion behind Art's words). If that happens, either town really caught scum, or scum is pushing hard for a ML. This is mostly a tone / feel read, but I feel weirdly good about it.
A. Yes, I had two main scumreads.
B. I had a stronger scumread near EoD.
C. I'm usually calm as town.
D. Fidei started looking more townie so I naturally went back to GB.
E. He said something I found kinda townie but I didn't want to be dissuaded off a GB scum lynch like I had been in Outlaw.
F. I don't think anyone really tried to 'make sense of it' so far. I was trying to figure out whether it meant RB was more likely to be town or not and what it meant for TW. Then TW made a good post and RB has been meh all day again.
G. See F. He's been bad so he's probably scum.
Your case does not make me mafia in the slightest. I have reasons to townread just about anyone but Kura, and until Spikasaur ended up flipping green I had no reasons to doubt my other reads.
Damdred town for reasons I mentioned before regarding tone change.
Tumblewood town because I don't think he expected his case to gain momentum yet he still went after a thread leader.
DYH town because he's been producing decent content (TW cases have a good town process even though I don't think he's scum)
One question for DYH though: Why did you say there was support for LS as scum but only gave Race Bannon "another look"? You say that Damdred gains town points for switching to BF which LS did as well, and other than that LS/RB's voting records are basically identical (voting each other needlessly D2/being offwagon).
I thought Gosse was town but I'm actually starting to change my mind. Reason being that I felt like his cases were decent and had a good process behind them, but it feels like he's just hopping on wagons after they've launched. He was my greatest ally when I was pushing what turned out to be mislynch after mislynch, then suddenly thinks I'm scum after TW makes a case on me. It feels too sudden and far too opportunistic to be true. Feels like he's taking the momentum here.
LS still town for genuine emotions like
On April 12 2016 11:03 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 10:03 DoYouHas wrote:On April 07 2016 08:02 Shapelog wrote:Final vote count
Boxerfred (4): GlowingBear, LightningStrike, Tumblewood, Damdred, Fidei86, Damdred Fidei86 (3): Artanis[Xp]. Damdred, DoYouHas, SpikasuarGlowingBear (2): Artanis[Xp], CHodge, Kuragari42, Tumblewood Tumblewood (1): DoYouHas, boxerfredRace Bannon (1): CHodge, Gossemerr, CHodge, LightningStrike (1): Race Bannon Gossemerr (1): Fidei86,Non-Voters (0): On April 10 2016 08:07 Shapelog wrote:Ye Ole Final vote count
GlowingBear (4): Artanis[XP], Gossemerr,Tumblewood, Fidei86Tumblewood (3):DoYouHas Damdred. GlowingBear, DoYouHas LightningStrike (0): Race Bannon Artanis[Xp] (1): GlowingBear, DoYouHas Race Bannon Spikasaur (0): Fidei86Race Bannon (1): LightningStrike Non-Voters: Kuragari42, Spikasaur Here we go. Day1: Scum split their vote. With 6 lynch candidates with at least 1 vote the odds of all 3 being on different wagons goes up. Unfortunately not to much to be gotten out purely on votes. Damdred gets townpoints for the last second swap back to BF, which at least gave us a bit more information than the Fid lynch. Day2: Art, Goss, and TW all piled onto GB where they ended up on seperate wagons D1. Not too extraordinary since TW followed Art onto GB D1. Race throws his vote onto a non-wagon for a second time. LS throws away his vote on Race. - Support for Art as scum, support for LS as scum, Race needs another look. I tried to get people off GB and Lex 10 mins before EoD but no one fucking listened to me -_-
Kura probably mafia for being a complete non-entity. I saw him play in Cell and I actually felt he had a bunch of decent contributions which are lacking here.
Race Bannon is the easy scum lynch today though.
-Contradicts himself time and time again (Calls LS out on TRing CHodge for no reason, does it himself)
-Tunneled on LS when people were discussing between two mislynches, meaning he would evade suspicion whilst making sure no one actually would sheep him
-Constantly comes into the thread with nothing of added value
-Really goddamn smug
-For no apparent reason has flipped his read on me
-Disengaged
##Vote Race Bannon
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Damdred
Rare posts with few short phrases, no cases, no real pushes. Now it's LYLO what is he doing?
Mislynched boxer even though he was a townread of his supposed townread.
Had the hubris of EoD-attempting to derail a GB vs Artanis lynch, following an insufficiently explained statement that he has townreads on them, even though he finds it curious that Art is townreading him. Says well at least he was right about GB.
He kept his options for LYLO open, he could vote for LS, TW or me it seems like without breaking continuity. Makes a vote on LS sound like policy though, and since those aren't likely to happen he's free to hop on TW, who I think is town by process of elimination and me.
Kura is the last scum, a new player would't be so absent as town.
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On April 12 2016 18:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
-Contradicts himself time and time again (Calls LS out on TRing CHodge for no reason, does it himself)
I didn't contradict myself then nor anywhen.
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