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DoYouHas do you have any new opinions since the flip? Who are your top scumreads?
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On April 08 2016 08:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Figured he was town based on some of his posts. Oh well. Time for hunting scum. Lex if you are here who you think is scum and why?
GB and RB. Stated so already in my earlier post at the bottom of the previous page.
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On April 08 2016 13:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? Fidei, please shit townie rainbows if you're actually town. GlowingBear, please explain your BF read and thought process. I can't be more clear than I have been, art. I thought his read progression was scummy then I voted him. That's all
You said in your read progression that he dropped his Damdred read which is not true at all since he said he still considered Damdred scummy. He just considered Tumblewood a better lynch as evidenced in his goddamn vote post.
On April 06 2016 17:05 boxerfred wrote:
Would lynch Damdred or Tumblewood thus far. Damdred basically for not being as good as town Damdred is normally, Tumblewood because he's switching between rational arguments, "you're bad/wrong" and this uncommiting wishywashyness.
##vote Tumblewood
Or, any lurker.
What did not make sense about his read progression, GB? Spell it out for me.
On April 08 2016 13:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I've read almost everything, kinda got bored at the last 3 pages.
Artanis how does it feel to be mafia?
You tell me m8.
Why am I mafia?
Fidei is your only reason for TRing GB that people have been going after him? That feels like a pretty shitty reason, especially given everyone abandoned ship on him in the end.
Also can you please stop townreading either RB or GB so we can lynch one of them? That would be nice.
Also also DYH where are you?
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On April 08 2016 17:39 Fidei86 wrote:
Yeah my reasons for town reading GB are seriously "eh".
I was sort of just hoping that there would be one scum between you, Damdred and GB and that you'd figure it out and tell me.
I'm quite sure Damdred isn't mafia. He had this little emotional bit where he lashed out at me for being annoyed at him and then apologized for it shortly after. If he was mafia, he either wouldn't have gotten upset about it or he wouldn't have apologized as it would've been intentional.
I'm also pretty sold on GB, especially if you're not mafia and with the way the votes moved. Despite a bunch of people not really liking GB, he never got more than 4 votes and no one really tried to get him lynched but me. I'm pretty sure his wagon was pure.
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On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS
Wait, you say you've changed your mind suggesting that you did actually think that pointing out his towniness was something scum would be more likely to do, yet afterwards you say that LS' motivation for it was scummy. Did you ever believe pointing out CHodge being town is scummy in itself or did it require context?
Do you have any scumreads beyond LS?
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Also what do you think of GB?
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On April 08 2016 19:44 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 19:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS Wait, you say you've changed your mind suggesting that you did actually think that pointing out his towniness was something scum would be more likely to do, yet afterwards you say that LS' motivation for it was scummy. Did you ever believe pointing out CHodge being town is scummy in itself or did it require context? Do you have any scumreads beyond LS? No, why aren't you scumreading LS? :
He's just meh to me, nothing really jumps out. I don't really have anything solid and I think GB and you look worse.
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On April 08 2016 19:48 Race Bannon wrote:Out of the 4 who lynched boxer maybe Damdred He's just not that invested in the game is why people are giving him a bad review I think.
So basically you think he's not invested, but people are being too hard on him?
He just gave a bunch of reads too. What did you think of them? Where do you stand on myself, for example?
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On April 08 2016 19:49 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 19:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:44 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 19:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS Wait, you say you've changed your mind suggesting that you did actually think that pointing out his towniness was something scum would be more likely to do, yet afterwards you say that LS' motivation for it was scummy. Did you ever believe pointing out CHodge being town is scummy in itself or did it require context? Do you have any scumreads beyond LS? No, why aren't you scumreading LS? : He's just meh to me, nothing really jumps out. I don't really have anything solid and I think GB and you look worse. Why?
GB because no followup and his reads are convenient (scumreading the person scumreading him, siding with Fidei, and if you're town defending potential lynchbait without really pushing it hard, TW push feels arbitrary). Feels like he's playing to survive more than anything.
You because I just don't really like most of your reads and some things that feel contradictory. I think I'm feeling slightly better about you though because you seem to be pretty confident in what you're saying.
On that note
##Vote Glowingbear
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On April 08 2016 19:55 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 19:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:48 Race Bannon wrote:Out of the 4 who lynched boxer maybe Damdred On April 08 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also what do you think of GB? He's just not that invested in the game is why people are giving him a bad review I think. So basically you think he's not invested, but people are being too hard on him? He just gave a bunch of reads too. What did you think of them? Where do you stand on myself, for example? I think you have the potential to find scum if you're town, you're just barking at the wrong tree, maybe you're even jealous or something that I have a good reason to vote someone and you're just flailing, I don't know you.
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Your reason for scumreading LS is bad and you didn't explain at all why you don't believe GB is scum. Your presumption that I would get jealous about your reasoning is ridiculous. If I thought you had a good case I would sheep it.
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On April 08 2016 21:33 Fidei86 wrote:
Artanis can you give me the juice on Racer? I'll read his filter now.
On April 08 2016 19:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 19:49 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 19:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:44 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 19:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy.
RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS Wait, you say you've changed your mind suggesting that you did actually think that pointing out his towniness was something scum would be more likely to do, yet afterwards you say that LS' motivation for it was scummy. Did you ever believe pointing out CHodge being town is scummy in itself or did it require context? Do you have any scumreads beyond LS? No, why aren't you scumreading LS? : He's just meh to me, nothing really jumps out. I don't really have anything solid and I think GB and you look worse. Why? GB because no followup and his reads are convenient (scumreading the person scumreading him, siding with Fidei, and if you're town defending potential lynchbait without really pushing it hard, TW push feels arbitrary). Feels like he's playing to survive more than anything. You because I just don't really like most of your reads and some things that feel contradictory. I think I'm feeling slightly better about you though because you seem to be pretty confident in what you're saying.On that note ##Vote Glowingbear
Also CHodge kill suggests that one or both are likely scum. Feeling p confident on dat GB scumread though. Especially since GB and RB are kinda ignoring each other.
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I also have absolutely no idea why GB thinks I'm scum.
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I just went through his filter twice and I don't see it. His initial read was a joke and his follow-up read has never been explained. He just provided a narrative for why I COULD be scum at EoD and hasn't brought up anything else. He's pinged out Damdred for a 'weird question' and then did nothing with it.
GB's filter is filled with things that either come out of nowhere or have no followup whatsoever. He is mafia.
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On April 08 2016 23:14 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 22:08 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS I thought CHodge was town but I didn't tell people to sheep me on that read -_- I guess you need to reread my filter on that part. Let's look at it again then Show nested quote +On April 06 2016 22:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and I think CHodge is Town for a few reasons.
1. His approach to the game is quite different than a normal newbie regarding Vet players like myself and Artanis.
2. He been more thinking critically than me and everyone else up to this point. Not in those words but this is a clear declaration of readyness to outsource scumhunting because he was oh so critical in his thinking, so much better than everyone else. You didn't say sheep him or die, but you would've if you weren't so afraid to get your hands dirty and vote for ke yourself.
It's normal for LS to default to other people's reads. He's lemming'd before when he has strong townreads. It does not make him mafia.
Address my GB read please.
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On April 09 2016 04:23 DoYouHas wrote:
Yeah... TW and Art are scum. GB very likely not scum, if only because his opening posts remind me of town GB and it is super unlikely that he would be scum with Art. Give me a bit to put together my cases on them.
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So can you folks who agree with a GB lynch vote for him?
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On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing
I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past.
There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other.
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On April 09 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote:Tumblewood+ Show Spoiler [My original thoughts] +On April 06 2016 13:21 DoYouHas wrote:I think TW is likely scum. His "damn, caught me" comment to Artanis' list caught my eye. Mafia are more likely to play off pressure (even fake pressure) as a joke instead of flatly denying. Show nested quote +On April 05 2016 12:48 Tumblewood wrote:On April 05 2016 12:25 GlowingBear wrote:
What's your opinion on his opening, Tumblewood? I'm going to go case-read on this because I can't really judge which case it is yet. Case 1: Artanis is town and is using that post to judge people's reactions. Case 2: Artanis is town and is using that post to lighten up the thread and get things started. Case 3: Artanis is scum and is using that post to appear that he's trying to get reactions. Case 4: Artanis is scum and is using that post to appear carefree. Of these, case 4 is the worst and case 1 is probably the best. I think that his opening is NAI [for newbies, that stands for "Not Alignment Indicative"] for now. Your vote is entirely throwaway or entirely overweighted. Really it's just D1 start and we're reading into nothing. This post doesn't do anything. It's made to look like it does something but it argues itself into nothing. Step 1: let's analyze Art's play. Step 2: GB's vote was a waste and we are reading into nothing. ##Vote: TumblewoodThis also makes me suspicious of Art, but that is unflipped association for now. He pushes all 3 wagons from D1. 2/3 of which are solid town, 3/3 I think are town. 1. Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 07:08 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm unconvinced by the case on LS, and skeptical of the case on RB (could easily just be a newbie who's not used to this). Boxerfred is a sensible if shallow case... I'm not feeling great about it, but there's really nothing better going on right now. 2. Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 07:25 Tumblewood wrote:On April 07 2016 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:16 Tumblewood wrote:
I don't understand this case for GB... It's because he did something to stir discussion but didn't make a play on it? I'm just not seeing very much there. Basically for me it's: -Pretend to be playing along with my discussion starter -Does fuck all after -Comes back to the thread with reads, never did anything with said discussion starter -Calls boxerfred scum citing that he usually plays as scum and doesn't as town when he hasn't really done much at all yet. Also he hasn't dropped the Damdred read at all unlike what GB said. Basically he hasn't followed up on what he said he was doing and his read on BF seems made up. Damn, looked back at that original BF read... I understand the read progression part, but "usually more useless as town" is not a reason for a read ever. I feel a lot stronger about this than boxerfred. ##Vote GB 3. Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 07:52 Tumblewood wrote:On April 07 2016 07:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay I'm back.
Who's up for shenannies? I assume you mean Fidei? I'd be up for shenannies if I thought they would work, but Fidei is a dice roll at best. Notice that even though he says he would be up for the shenanigans, he doesn't actually move his vote even though there was time, and it would have worked. This fits perfectly with the mafia tendency to split their votes when it is multiple town on the chopping block for EoD. - His list post doesn't add up: Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote:
top scum reads Fidei, Goss
scum leans RB, GB
top town reads CHodge, Damdred
town lean on LS
null on art and DYH
no read on Kura and Spike because they've done nothing yet First off, having Fidei as your top scumread when there is a huge reason to think he is town is dumb. Secondly, Goss is bigger scumread than GB at this point based on 1 post? GB held TW's vote for d1 based on more than that. Most importantly, "null on art". TW has defended Art twice, agreed with Art's case enough to vote for GB, and pushed Art's agenda with the shennanigans. For someone who clearly is siding with Art, a null read is just scum hedging.
That's a whole lotta associating going on around here. There's only a few points that aren't. Him not switching his vote when shenannies were going on (which also only matters if there's a scum in there, or scum can do anything so I'm not sure why you're using that as a point against him when you believe they're town). His defense on me whilst not townreading me is weird though but I didn't really think it was a defense, more of an explanation. Only point you really have going against TW is that he never switched to Fidei when that was his top scumread.
TW, why didn't you switch to Fidei when shenannies were happening?
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