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On March 08 2016 02:16 Vivax wrote: starts at midnight for me, chances are Ill start posting tomorrow Same. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?user=alakaslam First game post is the one that says "Q PASA MAH WHALASSA MOMBASSA" | ||
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kush pressures Shape into giving a read. On March 08 2016 08:32 Shapelog wrote: Yes totally kush, one situation is all that i look for as town to town read someone. Does he look townie in that situation, yes. Does that mean he is town? no. You know that that is not a reasonable town read reason. This is different from what I expect from town. More so from Shapelog, who has no problem stating his opinion. Basically here is what I expected: "No Vivax is not most likely town, it's maybe very slightly town indicative" or something like that. So what he posted later actually. But instead of doing that, Shape was defensive and even attacked slightly kush by saying "you know it's not reasonnable". This is a scum mindset: instead of posting his read (or non-read) and talking about it, he is like "look my read makes perfect sense and you're dumb for attacking me". I also didn't like these: On March 08 2016 08:45 Shapelog wrote: If you only look at that then yes. It prob. would (after you factor in the chances of it being NAI, which actually might make it NAI). The thing is i do not look at one post for any reads and you fucking know this. Or do i need to remind you about how i did not feel conferrable with you voting for FF/Uon because i was not sure of their scummyness? Am I not allowed to look at other posts made by him to determine his alignment? I am not allowed to be sure that he is town? Why are you pressuring me about this btw? Just curious. On March 08 2016 09:36 Shapelog wrote: Yup. Cool you dodged the question about commitment. And you know why I am not giving vivax a town read based off of 1 post. How have you forgotten that? I been saying the reason for awhile now. Seems to me Shape could still be in his "attack kush" mode I described above. Again, this has nothing to do with his Vivax read which is perfectly reasonnable, but his reaction to pressure. | ||
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On March 08 2016 08:34 Vivax wrote: whats the point of you mentioning me reporting in and not doing much then if its completely nai apparently scum points for you and town points for kush On March 08 2016 08:35 Vivax wrote: i also give you 1 minute to tell me where the carotic sinus is Serious post about Shape being potentially scum, immediately (it's 1 minute later and it's the next post in the thread) followed by a joke post. There is a disconnect in the way Vivax is playing the game there. He's serious and posting a scumread on a guy, and immediately after he's posting a joke to the guy he's scumreading. | ||
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On March 08 2016 17:12 geript wrote: So basically when Slam is town, he has no clue what he's doing. He tries to have fun while doing something. He tries to play for his fun and others. He tries to get in on jokes. When he breaks to make a serious point, his thoughts meander. It's like he's posting high and there's the roundabout thought hidden between the jokes. When he's mafia, he tries to mimic that shit entirely. But instead of getting the meandering around, it's broken up separately. He focuses mostly on doing on thing at a time instead of just letting him his thoughts lead him wherever his mind goes. So therefore between him not trolling (aka playing to have fun) and not trolling wrong (consistency between points of posts), he's scum. I think geript is town. I like how he is convinced he found scum and is pushing for him. geript, how I read Slam is looking at if he's hiding behind his trolling to not do anything. I would like your take in his play in outlaw. | ||
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kush, for being invested in solving the game. yamato, for being invested in solving the game. It's super early so it's easily fakable so it's slight townreads. Slight scumread: Koshi for not being there when he should be awake by now. Koshi usually posts aaaaaaaaalll the time as town, and has a way harder time posting as scum. Obviously it could be explained by IRL too so it's very slight. | ||
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On March 08 2016 22:34 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Two questions: Do you think getript honestly has a strong scumread of alakslam or is he posturing? Is part of the reason you townread getript because you agree with him about alakslam? Yes and no. | ||
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To expand on Slam, I saw him troll as scum (outlaw) and be serious as town (smurf) so I don't think his "non-trolliness" is scum indicative. | ||
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On March 08 2016 22:42 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: In Outlaw he had a serious early game. Anyway, I don't know where you are getting that getript's read on alakslam is logical. He is applying superficial meta to a couple joke phase posts alakaslam made. I do not believe that the meta geript is using is wrong, because it is detailed enough for Slam to prove it's wrong if that's the case. But I think it's outdated. That's why I want geript to read outlaw, and I don't agree with you on outlaw; he was trolly and posted bad reads from time to time. | ||
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On March 08 2016 22:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: is that not the game he had that big push on shape early? No | ||
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On March 08 2016 23:40 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: i actually dont even know what we are arguing about regarding slam anymore. Against geript claim that "slam not trolly = scum". You dug up a serious post, but there are also trolly ones. Best way to read Slam is to see if he's trying to solve the game or if he's not doing jack shit IMO. | ||
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On March 08 2016 23:44 Koshi wrote: I won't post a lot this game. The only reason I make this post is because I don't think I will post again in 4-7 hours and also that post might be very low content. I think I am ok with waiting 72 hours the first day. Obviously not passively. Disagree. Like, a lot. Maybe the first 24 hours are the exception, but beyond that we should be ready to lynch someone every 24 hours. If the person being lynched becomes super townie we can stop the lynch before deadline. | ||
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Anyway it doesn't matter now, but if at the start of D2 we have one super scummy guy we should lynch him immediately. | ||
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On March 09 2016 02:02 geript wrote: Slam smurfing is a bit different. It kinda depends on how interested he is in not being found out and how long that interest lasts. Why are you talking to me about Slam smurfing here ? Do you think he smurfed in Outlaw ? Cause that is not the case. Did you open the link I posted just before the post you quoted here ? | ||
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On March 09 2016 02:07 Koshi wrote: Sadly I already made something and I don't want to delete it because it is pure brilliance. And because I was a bit mean to Rels last game and his VE read when I entered the thread. Therefore I will correct his yamato read and explain it. Oh, you mean when you dismissed my scumread on scum!VE with "VE is obvious town" without explanation, even when I asked for them. That was FUN. On March 09 2016 02:07 Koshi wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2016 16:16 yamato77 wrote: I want to lynch Vivax. Unsurprisingly. On March 08 2016 16:25 yamato77 wrote: Also, I don't understand how geript wants to lynch slam for what he's posted, nor would I give Shapelog a pass for being a noob. Shapelog's posts aren't bad necessarily, but they don't give off a newb vibe. They seem comfortable. Vivax is the much more notable poster in the first few pages IMO and it's odd that all geript has to say about it is that he's a dick. All of that said, I don't really have a scumread on geript, I just disagree with him, as I expected to. Kush being overly aggressive is whatever. Mild townread. Tumble's first post is creative at least. If he's a new player I wouldn't expect that sort of effort as mafia but that's a highly conditional read. 1) The geript read + how he involves alakaslam,shape and Vivax. It just doesn't do it for me. Why is geript mafia for wanting to lynch alakslam? Why is geript mafia for thinking shape is newb town? Why is geript mafia for saying Vivax is a dick? geript explained his Shape read pretty clearly. I don't understand where yamato his confusion comes from. I also don't understand why yamato adds his own opinion of Shape in his geript segment, but fails to explain why it makes geript mafia. The entire paragraph just doesn't make sense from town perspective who is figuring out geript. Because Yamato isn't figuring out geript at all, he is correcting/doubting things geript said and then implies geript is wrong and therefore mafia. Or at least that is how this entire segment feels like. Because he doesn't really conclude anything on geript in the end. It's an open ending that we can fill in. 2) I don't see the connection between his opening post about lynching Vivax and the follow up in the geript segment. It could be that yamato his opening post is stating/complaining about the fact Vivax is offtopic as fuck. He confronts Vivax about that later again but without trying to solve the game or do anything. It's so meek. What is this read? + Show Spoiler + Vivax is the much more notable poster in the first few pages IMO and it's odd that all geript has to say about it is that he's a dick. All of that said, I don't really have a scumread on geript, I just disagree with him, as I expected to. 3) I get the feeling that the Kush read and the Tumble read are "correct" reads mafia gives. Simple structured reads based on TMI but throwaway. Mafia yamato knows these 2 are town and then finds a reason to call them town. It is the same for the Shape read within the geript read btw. These reads feel like coming from mafia. Or really good town being in the zone but then I wonder what the fuck the geript/vivax vomitting was all about. I think town yamato would have approached this entirely different, a town yamato would be able to express and structure himself a lot clearer in his first read post. Figure out players individually and not inappropriate mix in geript in every read. Yamato his reads just don't seem to be coming from a townie trying to solve the game. I feel it is a mafia giving reads through discrediting somebody else his reads. I can't explain it. Just doesn't look town. ##vote Yamato some tinfoil: I was wondering why yamato is so focussed on geript. It doesn't feel natural yamato starts his read post by reading geript giving reads on 3 other people. Discrediting geript? Scumbuddies? Tilting geript? I don't know. Might have something to do with Slam but maybe completely not. OK I have no idea where a lot of your case came from. yamato didn't scumread geript ? yamato explained why he didn't think Shape could be considered a newbie ? yamato read on Vivax feels consistent to me ? Do you townread kush and tumble ? | ||
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On March 09 2016 05:43 yamato77 wrote: Rels, what do you make of Koshi? Maybe scum. He has excuses to not post a lot like he does as town + I don't understand his case on you. | ||
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On March 09 2016 02:22 geript wrote: Tumbleweed has said like 3 things all of which I liked. Anyone who wants to lynch him is scum. ??? + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2016 15:15 Tumblewood wrote: I feel like Shape's been kinda backed into a corner by kush, or at least he feels that way. How it went down: Kush flashed his badge at Shapelog. It read, "Private Investigator: Kush Mountains". "What do you know about the mafia?" he inquired. Shape didn't have much to say; he'd only been there twenty minutes, and he'd only seen three other people in his time. He thought of the most informative thing he had to say, which was It wasn't much, and they both knew it. Kush followed up with some leading questions. Of course, there was no other way for Shape to answer but in the affirmative. They both knew that anyone could be a killer, and there was no sense in thinking someone good-willed from just one clue. Basically, Shape made an observation on virtually the only (little) information he had, and kush drew the conclusion from it and coerced him into making his own conclusion, which was "that's not enough" and labeled backtracking. It's not concerning to me. On March 09 2016 00:22 Tumblewood wrote: I liked how he drew a decent conclusion from Shape's observation. It shows that his question wasn't just a token "look at me participating" question. It was, what, his first post? so I'm not putting him into either category yet. On March 09 2016 00:26 Tumblewood wrote: Also geript town for persistently pushing a read that wasn't gaining much traction. Two townreads on kush + you and a non-scumread on Shape. How the fuck do you townread him ? | ||
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Gotta agree his few posts after the case were super "flow of thoughts" style: On March 09 2016 02:09 Koshi wrote: Goddamn I already made a mistake. He does come to a conclusion about geript. He doesn't scumread him. Hmm. Annoying. Still. Why structure it like that. I still don't like it. But that part is wrong. On March 09 2016 02:11 Koshi wrote: I just need yamato or somebody else to tell me why yamato feels the need to explain a Vivax, Shape and slam read through geript who he doesn't even scumread. On March 09 2016 02:20 Koshi wrote: Anyway mafia is within this: yamato77 Vivax Alakaslam Rels very maybe geript but not really. which is town indicative. | ||
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On March 09 2016 02:33 Shapelog wrote: Other than Yamato and Slam (understand where you got these) and Geript(because it seems like you are not sure). May I ask why you place Rels and Vobby here? LOL that quote change ^^ | ||
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On March 09 2016 06:06 Shapelog wrote: Idk about Gerpit, but this is why i weakly town lean him (note that i have played with him 4x's now.) Not scumreading a townie when the occasion is there is never a proof someone is no scum. I've made that mistake before. Scum will defend town with no problem. Actually, scum prefer to not call anyone scum and be friend with everyone and don't care about the lynch. | ||
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On March 09 2016 06:18 Vivax wrote: town heroes: shape kush vivax town zeroes: koshi yamato not even gonna try: Slam I dont know yet: Rels My current early maybe shit guess: gerupt morningwood This look very much like my mind right now. You are lower than that, yamato is closer to null 'cause he is more reactive than I would like. geript's meta read on Slam is fixed when it should have evolved given everything that's been said in thread. Tumblewood has 3 posts which contains one townread one slight townread and one null read. | ||
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Around for a few more minutes then it's bed time for me. | ||
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On March 09 2016 05:42 Rels wrote: Why are you talking to me about Slam smurfing here ? Do you think he smurfed in Outlaw ? Cause that is not the case. Did you open the link I posted just before the post you quoted here ? | ||
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On March 10 2016 00:53 Tumblewood wrote: "Vivax, you are under arrest." "Under What charges?" "First degree not having good reasons for what you say, ignoring all scum reads, and a misdemeanor of buddying kush." Sources ? | ||
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A line on each player I have a hard time deciding. yamato seemed implicated in his first batch of posts but he's been reactive since and kinda useless. Koshi should be town by meta of being obnoxious + having short post with his flow of thoughts sometimes. My problem with that is that we just got fooled in cells mafia by LS and Damdred abusing their meta super easily. scum!Koshi might be doing the same, 'cause apart from this meta being town indicative, he's has reads that are either non-explained (Tumble, I) or bad (the yamato case). Slam is not looking for scum. He's saying reasonnable things but it doesn't feel like he's trying to solve the game like he was in smurf. geript is fixed on his Slam meta read + Vivax scum. Being obtus like that is generally town indicative but I showed him two games that were against his meta read and he disproved them. | ||
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On March 09 2016 19:07 Koshi wrote: 72h for D1 is fine. I wouldn't go 96h though. Alakaslam might be mafia but I don't know tbh. I feel like my mafia pool doesn't want to commit on him while they should have if they were town. Therefore, I don't want to lynch him. I don't know if I want to trust the godread from geript either, which would be the only reason I could see myself Alakaslam atm. Tumble might be mafia but I don't think so. Roleplayers have a very high % being mafia. I don't know why that is, but it is true. #experience. But again, my own read on him is town. Kush town but wrong atm. Shape obv town. geript town. The bold is strongly town indicative I think. It shows a will to solve the game via finding the scumteam. | ||
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Would be OK with tumble, slam and yamato in that order of preferrence. | ||
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He has very few reads. All of his townreads are obvious. His scumread on Vivax is non-explained. He has minimal interactions with the thread. | ||
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On March 10 2016 02:03 Tumblewood wrote: I have filtered vivax, and he's made a ton of claims for bad or no reasons. Sources ? | ||
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On March 10 2016 03:04 Alakaslam wrote: These are excellent points Btw while I didn't mention it, TY shape I clearly did not look at OP :/ And am clearly confused hoodwinked whatever. I thought you townread Koshi ? | ||
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On March 10 2016 03:04 Alakaslam wrote: These are excellent points Btw while I didn't mention it, TY shape I clearly did not look at OP :/ And am clearly confused hoodwinked whatever. "geript is right, Vivax calling Koshi town is based on nothing". But you have the exact same read on Koshi than Vivax ?? | ||
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How is geript saying Vivax's scumread on Tumble is bullshit "excellent" if you don't have a read on Tumble ? | ||
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On March 10 2016 03:04 Alakaslam wrote: These are excellent points Btw while I didn't mention it, TY shape I clearly did not look at OP :/ And am clearly confused hoodwinked whatever. Even the structure of this post is scummy. In the first sentence he agrees with a scumread passively, then he has unrelated comments about two others things. It's a weird post to post for a town that found a scumread. It makes sense for a scum that needs different things to be in the thread and doesn't care about solving the game. | ||
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Are you still OK lynching slam like you said yesterday ? | ||
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He had a poe of 3 people that he didn't investigate further He had a revelation on viavax reading geript post but he didn't care Even now he is talking about h being lynched but he's not solving anything The rest is additional | ||
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Slam is fucking scum | ||
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On March 09 2016 15:47 geript wrote: Either way. I need to sleep. Long shift of playing in ball abscesses and shit... Literally. You guys need to understand that we need to lynch. We have limited time in order to be able to lynch scum and burning 72 or 96 hours on D1 is unacceptable especially when we will always lose 24 hours for night phases. So we can go 4-4-5 which will assuredly end in 3 bad lynches or go 3-3-3-3 which will be better but lowers odds of a productive lynch on D3/4 as interest wanes. Best option is to lynch and keep the days and information moving before shit stagnates. | ||
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On March 10 2016 08:03 Koshi wrote: "We need info" is such a bad argument to lynch town, if he doubt himself let him explain. You're ignored don't talk to me | ||
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It seems suicidal to do that with slam + geript scum. Maybe it's exactly why geript did it, to play the wifom card and save a teammate. Maybe slam is town and he just wanted to lengthen the day for no reason . thinking about it that way this does not indicate something about slam alignment But it does for geript | ||
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He was super sure slam was scum, he saved him He said 72h d1 was unacceptable, he provoked it He ninja voted at the last minute to prevent this lynch Still no explanation or indication as to why he was fake afking Geript is 100% scum and he can explain his chnage if heart all he wants he should be lynched | ||
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Sorry koshi for the attack. Please stop being annoying. There is a reason nobody is attacking shape | ||
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Cool I'll do that tomorrow, too annoying on phone | ||
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On March 10 2016 09:21 yamato77 wrote: Looking at Rels, as his kneejerk reactions to Slam and geript give me pause I completely disagreed with how he interpreted Shape's early game. I thought Shape's responses to Vivax were town indicative. Anyone that's able to post as much as he was as freely as he was probably isn't mafia. Then you're not aware of Shape playing a 30-pages scum game recently where he was townread for freely posting. | ||
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On March 10 2016 09:34 yamato77 wrote: This is along my line of thinking but there's definitely more to it than just the one question. I don't understand his progression on Vivax, how he got from the post before to a strong townread here. Notably, I also don't really care for his read on me as it shows a lack of investment in figuring out my motivations but nonetheless, it's there, I guess. Fights geript's meta read of Slam, and then says he wants to lynch him? His justification seems weak in the above post "Slam isn't looking for scum." Wanting to lynch me for...??? Has barely commented on any particular post of mine, and actually DISAGREED WITH KOSHI'S CASE I strongly dislike the inconsistency of Rels' reads. There is no fucking inconsistency. My first batch of reads were my thoughts after reading the few pages there were at the time. Of course they are going to evolve. Vivas has been pushing to game forward with his activity + questionning. He's very likely town. I've been saying all game than Slam can be found as scum when he's not doing anything to advance it. I've fought geript's meta read 'cause I think it was wrong. When Slam continued to have no scumread, I scumread him. You claimed to have read my filter but you have missed everything I've said about Slam all game ? | ||
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On March 10 2016 10:34 Shapelog wrote: Yeah that is kinda if strange. Also look at his read progession on me: I understand the fact that I apparently a obv town, but I feel that Rels would of at least explain the change a bit more, considering that he did with the other ones. Maybe he town read me during the change, But i can not see him agreeing to the fact that I am his highest TR after him saying i did something he thought scum AI. Again, my first reads were weak and I've only stated them so the game could advance. As the game went you've been very involved and saying smart things. You're very likely town. Changing reads is NOT scum indicative. Especially since there is a reason for them to change. Furthermore, I am a very good scum. You will never see me as scum changing read without restating what I previously thought. Here I would say something like "Shape's first post was kinda bad but since blablabla that's why I townread him now." Here I don't care as much about me being consistent, I want to find scum. And I'm beginning to be angry of being scumread when I'm obviously trying to solve the fucking game. On March 10 2016 10:34 Shapelog wrote: And I know this post is a while after, but now he is sus. me basically (unless this is a joke?) Idk how much this factors in though because he was gone for awhile and might of rethought. This has nothing to do with reads. Koshi said he was angry that people were ad homing him and not you when you were saying the same things. | ||
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On March 10 2016 15:01 geript wrote: This is a really odd vote count in general. Rels has basically been disagreeing with my meta read for most of the game so far. Disagreeing with your meta read is different from being against a slam lynch. I've been leaning on Slam scum more and more as time passed on, and I voted him after his post agreeing with you on Vivax which was nonsensical on several levels. You're reaching for explanation there. On March 10 2016 15:01 geript wrote: Hell Vivax has even been trying to push Tumble for scum while trying to convince Tumble to vote for Slam. There's tumble who's basically soft buddied me all game. Then there's Shape who's main thoughts on Slam have been related to Slam's townreads/PoE post. Basically, it's a wagon of me and 4 people who are ok to lynch but not terribly interested in lynching. On top of that, You have Vivax and Tumble who look to be opposite alignments voting together. Plus we have Yam, Kush, and Koshi all voting someone different and I was leaning town on all three. Slam looks like a bad lynch unless Rels or tumble is bussing; I don't think Slam/Shape is a realisitic pair but I could be wrong there. Vivax is not a possible busser ? I thought you scumread him like a lot ? Tumble is a possible busser ? I thought he was confirmed town ? | ||
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On March 10 2016 19:09 Koshi wrote: 1. Rels/Vivax 2. Vivax/yamato 3. Rels/yamato Koshi I'm not scum. Stop scumreading me for no reason. STOP. I'm tired. The only reason you've stated a long time ago was "Rels is not sure about some reads, saying X could be town but also scum" or something like that; It doesn't make sense. Fucking stop you're annoying. I suppose you're talkinga bout this fucking post: On March 10 2016 01:23 Rels wrote: I don't have strong opinions apart from kush, Vivax, Shape town and Tumble scum. A line on each player I have a hard time deciding. yamato seemed implicated in his first batch of posts but he's been reactive since and kinda useless. Koshi should be town by meta of being obnoxious + having short post with his flow of thoughts sometimes. My problem with that is that we just got fooled in cells mafia by LS and Damdred abusing their meta super easily. scum!Koshi might be doing the same, 'cause apart from this meta being town indicative, he's has reads that are either non-explained (Tumble, I) or bad (the yamato case). Slam is not looking for scum. He's saying reasonnable things but it doesn't feel like he's trying to solve the game like he was in smurf. geript is fixed on his Slam meta read + Vivax scum. Being obtus like that is generally town indicative but I showed him two games that were against his meta read and he disproved them. So. 4 people I'm not that sure on. Just after that I concludfe you are super likely town and geript is maybe town. This is not scummy and I'm tired of you being in my town games. You lynched me in nutcracker and melee. You townread me on crossfire and pyp. Stop being fuycking dumb and sotp saying I'm scummy. | ||
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On March 10 2016 21:34 Koshi wrote: Mindmelding. I also like his tone this game. Extremely happy and carefree. For example the joy he expressed when people townread him. It was super likely to come from town. You are wrong. Shape is town for being smart and involved in the game. Do NOT townread him for being happy and carefree ever. He's proved he can do that as town. | ||
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On March 10 2016 22:02 Koshi wrote: My biggest reason to suspect Rels is that has no conviction in solving the game and his reads. -"We need the info from the flip" - The push on Alakaslam - "geript 100% mafia even if Alakaslam isn't mafia" - The constant double reads. "x is mafia but x could be town because this reason" "x is town but could be mafia because y" - How he attempted to read me twice but cannot commit an alignment on me. I would feel better voting him first because I think he really is mafia but Vivax deserves to be out of this game. I FUCKING COMMITED TO AN ALIGNMENT ON YOU On March 10 2016 01:27 Rels wrote: The bold is strongly town indicative I think. It shows a will to solve the game via finding the scumteam. Show me how my fucking push on slam is not logical. The rest is not scum indicative | ||
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Why ? He ninja unvoted Slam at the last minute before deadline. That is enough because it contradicts his mindset for the whole game. It doesn't make sense because: 1. His read on Slam geript has been convinced all game Slam is scum. Apparently it's a meta read that works 100% of the time. Knowing that, it doens't make sense for geript to unvote Slam after saying these + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2016 14:24 geript wrote: Skimmed through. Stopped to eat. Shape's biggest explanation of a non-read is really fucking odd. I'll figure that shit out later. Slam isn't trolling. He's not trolling all wrong too. There's a distinct lack of Slam town fun. So just lynch him and after that idk. On March 08 2016 16:54 geript wrote: I couldn't care less about Vivax so long as he votes for Slam. I don't have any accurate meta read on him and there's obvious scum. Do you really want me to post a page and a half discourse about why Slam plays Mafia and how he approaches playing from both sides? Do you really want me to show you how he's not trolling? On top of that do you want me to show you how he's even not trolling how he does when he's scum? I've made this case like idk 4-5 times previously. I'm always right about it. Game is simple. I find 1 scum and figure out if you're town and if Koshi is town. Literally all I need to do. On March 08 2016 17:12 geript wrote: So basically when Slam is town, he has no clue what he's doing. He tries to have fun while doing something. He tries to play for his fun and others. He tries to get in on jokes. When he breaks to make a serious point, his thoughts meander. It's like he's posting high and there's the roundabout thought hidden between the jokes. When he's mafia, he tries to mimic that shit entirely. But instead of getting the meandering around, it's broken up separately. He focuses mostly on doing on thing at a time instead of just letting him his thoughts lead him wherever his mind goes. So therefore between him not trolling (aka playing to have fun) and not trolling wrong (consistency between points of posts), he's scum. On March 09 2016 02:02 geript wrote: Slam smurfing is a bit different. It kinda depends on how interested he is in not being found out and how long that interest lasts. On March 09 2016 02:06 geript wrote: Don't know. But there have been longer gaps and meta has always been accurate. He always tries to look however he thinks he'll be town read (as Mafia). It's not the same thing. Plus, it's not like Slam doesn't know about my godread on him. On March 09 2016 15:12 geript wrote: Someone brought it up, but people seem to have missed it. Slam has 5 townreads on this post; when he adds himself that's only 3 people available to lynch left. There's 9 players and 2 mafia; there's literally zero reason to care who's the town in the last 3 as you can just lynch them with impugnity and win game. Like it's not even that hard. On top of that, Slam hasn't trolled at all since his return. There's no real fun-seeking behavior. There's no jolly to him. The closes thing is a token HIJOLE. There's no weaving of wanting to have fun between thoughts. Regarding this, for further reference and proof of my godread, there was a game a while ago (I lose track since I play so infrequently now) that in post game or obs (i forget which) which I correctly read Slam as town despite him getting lynched. Rayn and I even talked about why in post game. Slam has slowly had changing meta for a while now (years really I think at this point), but the cores to it are the same. There's been a game or two that I've done analysis for I'm pretty sure that I've pointed this out. You're more than welcome to read them (the games, the analysis, whatever). I have a god read on Slam. He is scum. If you want to win, just lynch slam. On March 09 2016 15:33 geript wrote: Probably a misquote of something. Especially as that's been a topic earlier. In regards to your earlier thing about how my meta read should have changed or whatever... No. Meta reads don't change based on what random schmucks say. I've read/watched enough games and been current with Slam. I don't need to update. The meta hasn't changed; how he expresses is slightly different and that's been covered. Now the only mention of his read on Slam post deadline is: On March 10 2016 15:01 geript wrote: [blablabla] Slam looks like a bad lynch unless Rels or tumble is bussing; I don't think Slam/Shape is a realisitic pair but I could be wrong there. Slam's play has not evolved since he's made geript made his meta read. The only reason he's now not that sure is association. It's not a reason for not lynching someone scummy D1 and geript is an experienced player that know this. 2. geript shared my mindset of we can't have a D1 that is too long On March 09 2016 15:47 geript wrote: Either way. I need to sleep. Long shift of playing in ball abscesses and shit... Literally. You guys need to understand that we need to lynch. We have limited time in order to be able to lynch scum and burning 72 or 96 hours on D1 is unacceptable especially when we will always lose 24 hours for night phases. So we can go 4-4-5 which will assuredly end in 3 bad lynches or go 3-3-3-3 which will be better but lowers odds of a productive lynch on D3/4 as interest wanes. Best option is to lynch and keep the days and information moving before shit stagnates. In his own words, 72 hours D1 is unacceptable. That is what geript believes. It makes no sense that geript would extend the D1 to 72 hours by unvoting his scumread because of D1 association reads. 3. His big post post-lynch On March 10 2016 15:01 geript wrote: This is a really odd vote count in general. Rels has basically been disagreeing with my meta read for most of the game so far. Vivax is the guy who's pushed basically anything. Hell Vivax has even been trying to push Tumble for scum while trying to convince Tumble to vote for Slam. There's tumble who's basically soft buddied me all game. Then there's Shape who's main thoughts on Slam have been related to Slam's townreads/PoE post. Basically, it's a wagon of me and 4 people who are ok to lynch but not terribly interested in lynching. On top of that, You have Vivax and Tumble who look to be opposite alignments voting together. Plus we have Yam, Kush, and Koshi all voting someone different and I was leaning town on all three. Slam looks like a bad lynch unless Rels or tumble is bussing; I don't think Slam/Shape is a realisitic pair but I could be wrong there. I had a good reason to vote Slam, so the part on me is BS. Tumble is a possible busser there ? Vivax is not a possible busser there ? This post is written to explain to try to explain his ninja vote. It is not consistent with geript's read, which is Vivax scum (not a busser ?) 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On March 10 2016 23:28 Koshi wrote: Rels what is your read on yamato? Scum if Slam is not. | ||
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Because geript is scum. See the post above. Then you can vote him. | ||
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On March 10 2016 23:43 Alakaslam wrote: You are scum or a fool. Unflipped associations for starters which is known bad play. There is no unflipped association. My scumreads by order of strongness are geript => you => yamato => tumble. geript's reason for unvoting you was unflipped association. My scumreads have no unflipped association. | ||
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On March 10 2016 23:49 Koshi wrote: I guess. But there are enough waves in this thread to disturb the pocketing. I think enough of us already said that Vivax is mafia. So why does Rels keep ignoring it without giving reasoning? Vivax is an undisputed townread because he pushes the game forward, yet other way more obvious townies (Koshi, Shape) always get revisited. Tell me then, why is Vivax scum ? | ||
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On March 10 2016 23:49 Alakaslam wrote: Actually I can do TR. Geript and Koshi, very strong (note my first vote is in fact Geript! It's also the shortest duration vote in the game!) Yamato, fairly strong Kush, solid but not strong. The rest I could easily question either way. I am not solid on anyone being scum, but my highest probabilities right now are of course Vivax and one of Rels/Shapelog. Why geript and yamato town ? | ||
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On March 10 2016 23:53 Koshi wrote: Because being an obnoxious little piece of shit has been his main goal this game? No. Maybe to you, but as a whole he posted read and interrogated people and I've agreed with everything he's said. Coupling that with his meta of being passive as scum, he's super likely town. Stop saying I'm revisiting you and Shape all the time. That is not scum indicative, and that is also wrong. Shape was likely town in my mind early in the game, and you were not long after. But even if I wasn't sure on you, that is not scum indicative. | ||
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On March 10 2016 09:49 Vivax wrote: after this dreadful day the mafia actually realized they can win What did you mean by that ? | ||
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On March 10 2016 09:42 Vivax wrote: For the love of god just find a townie to sheep and stop posting reads yams. Slam has been HIJOLE all game long, he gave up cause of overwhelming HIJOLE cause hes mafia, gerupt unvoted his #1 scumread after the scumread claimed scum. If Rels wasn't enough to make you understand it's slam and gerupt, you should really quit this game On March 10 2016 23:04 Vivax wrote: Rels you can't talk reason into koshi, you just cant. On March 10 2016 23:12 Vivax wrote: np we just lynch both of them in no particular order, just lynch one of them today. try to be level headed and ignore all the distractions, we literally lynch slam and geript and win the game. the best next thing that can happen is that one of them dies, doesnt matter which one. it will even be a miracle if that happens with players like yams and koshi in the game. On March 10 2016 23:48 Vivax wrote: or maybe you're just too shit to realize Rels is town, and dont even get me started about me who would probably have 1-2 page of filter max as scum. This really feels like buddying. | ||
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On March 11 2016 00:48 Vivax wrote: yes get me out of this shitshow then lose cause you didnt sheep my reads. You're super sure geript & Slam are scum right ? | ||
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On March 11 2016 03:02 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Rels I dont understand your flip onto Vivax. Why are you against lynching alakaslam when just a few hoursago you re sure greipt saved his scumbud? Him refusing to strongly commit on scumreads he doesn't have when he's a likely lynch + his reasonning to townread yamato on geript makes me think he might be town | ||
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On March 12 2016 08:11 Koshi wrote: Well. mafia did not deserve that. Well Kush didn't. Agreed | ||
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On March 12 2016 14:57 Tumblewood wrote: I think geript is town, because his god read is a really risky move for scum to try on a townie, and only one of geript and Slam could possibly be scum. Rels is just skating by. He hasn't done anything I can point at and yell "scummy because XYZ", but he hasn't done anything notable in general. He feels like the guy who could win by virtue of everyone ignoring him. LOL you are describing your own play there. | ||
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On March 10 2016 06:20 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I think ima vote alakaslam. Rels makes a really good point here and makes me townread rels pretty hard.: Yeah that was the post I had in mind. Kush said he would vote Slam and didn't do it, when at the time Slam was 1 vote away from being hammered: On March 10 2016 05:55 Half the Sky wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Alakaslam (4): geript, Tumblewood (1): Vivax (1): Rels (1): Koshi yamato77 (0): geript (0): Not Voting (2): Shapelog, Alakaslam At this time, no one is slated to be lynched. With 9 players, 5 are needed to lynch. The next check will occur on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). Town must find the mafia before on 23:00 GMT (+00:00) The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. D3 he pushed and voted Slam though but not with a lot of strength. This added with Slam's play, I think he is the last scum. ##Vote Alakaslam | ||
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On March 14 2016 17:46 Koshi wrote: This is odd for 2 reasons: 1) You use this argument to call geript town now. While probably geript did other things recently to be called town. 2) You said the exact opposite of this when it happened. Even when you came back. You said geript was mafia and the alignment of Alakaslam didn't even matter. I don't understand why the logic comes with a 72hours delay. Deal with it. This is what I think. What is the scum motivation of contradicting myself and getting rid of a scumread I could maybe lynch at the same time ? | ||
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On March 14 2016 17:57 Koshi wrote: why autolynch an uncced blue tomorrow? Maybe they are parity cops? If Slam or Tumble don't claim now but claim at LYLO they should be lynched. If one is blue it's good for us 'cause we don't have to use a lynch for him. | ||
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On March 14 2016 21:23 Shapelog wrote: Because someone who shall not be named got modkilled and therefore prob. made a lot of people rethink? I mean it does not justify a 180 flip, be he was sus. of Slam and suddenly someone unvotes him (a person who had a godread etc.) I can't recall correctly about him saying that the alignment of slam didn't matter. Once I filter, I post something about it. I explicitely said Slam's alignment didn't matter. I changed my mind about it. | ||
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On March 15 2016 00:45 yamato77 wrote: I absolutely disagree with Rels' blue claim plan. I'm going to vote for Tumble. It's probably the best lynch. Slam and Tumble are very likely to be lynched before the end of the game. If one claims blue and is killed by scum instead of lynched, it's good for us. There is no downsides for them claiming there. If they don't BUT if one of them claims later in the game to save his life, do not believe him. | ||
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On March 15 2016 02:39 Shapelog wrote: What do you guys think of this post by him btw since Kush flipped red? Doesn't oppose them being partner. I don't think it proves anything one way or the other. One problem I have with Tumble scum that it's the first guy kush seriously went against after that. But his super lackluster play is reminiscent of Melee where he had a kinda strong start then posted the minimum. | ||
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On March 16 2016 11:56 Tumblewood wrote: I just looked through yamato's filter, and I think he could be scum. Here are the points against: - Inactive since D1 (not really a point since activity reads suck) - Says I'm the best lynch without giving any read on me - Lacking substantive reads in general - Not invested in the D2 lynch even though he said "literally never lynching Slam" Those townreading yamato, what do you see in him? Start of day: yamato might be scum. On March 17 2016 02:53 Tumblewood wrote: The thing that sticks out to me about Shape's D3 play is that it doesn't look like he's having fun. Usually his trolling is clearly carefree, but even the Hapa thing looks like he's trolling so he can maintain his image. Next post 15 hours later: yeah Shape might be scum. Tumble is very likely the last scum, he did the minimum to survive all game, which is understandable given kush was modkilled which was a big blow. Still want to read yamato's filter before deciding but I'll probably vote Tumble. Diner first then I'll do that. | ||
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On March 10 2016 09:09 yamato77 wrote: These posts seem quite incongruent. How can you townread Rels for calling Slam scum (for a reason you find actually good) and then say that if Slam is scum it makes Rels MORE likely scum? Really horrid reasoning there, I'd say. Yeah yamato was the only guy not townreading kush. Points at not being his partner. | ||
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OK with Vivax lynch D1. Slam Rels maybe Shape D2. yamato start of D3. Now he's voting Shape. And each time it's when other people are OK lynching these targets. Pretty sure he's scum. | ||
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But you have a good point there on yamato's geript read, would like to know the reason of the switch too. | ||
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On March 17 2016 07:34 yamato77 wrote: My geript read was "why is he pushing a Slam lynch so hard?" into "Maybe he's mafia acting like he's just super convinced, or he could be town and actually just super convinced" to "I doubt that he was mafia with Kush" to "I super doubt he was mafia with kush and saved a town by unvoting at the last second." Never really said much of this because it doesn't really necessitate explaining when he was never a real lynch target. So you rethought this during the night when kush was modkilled ? | ||
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On March 17 2016 07:35 Shapelog wrote: They do not prove anything. But they sure get people lynched. Don't they KubRels?  (this is a inside joke for those not aware.) =D I deserved that lynch though, was playing two games at the same time and focused on the other. | ||
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On March 17 2016 07:35 geript wrote: Not super stoked about Tumble lynch but eh. I'm pretty sure we get an extra day. We have a last lynch if we mislynch garanteed. IF we mislynch today AND there is no night kill next night, we have an extra mislynch. Why is Tumble town ? | ||
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On March 17 2016 07:41 yamato77 wrote: I re-evaluate constantly, I just don't always post the results. No prob with that, I just want to know when that happened. | ||
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On March 18 2016 08:12 Shapelog wrote: Now a question. @Rels, what made you say BS when Koshi claim. It was obviously BS, if Koshi had a check he would have claimed it at the beginning of the day to win the game. But then I thought it was super likely to come from VT trying to attract a hit during the night. | ||
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On March 18 2016 09:08 Koshi wrote: Oh and I am a veteran obviously. You have only 1 life right ? Cause that means mafia didn't shoot two nights. Which means Shape is 99% scum. I can't see yamato or geript doing that. | ||
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On March 18 2016 14:57 geript wrote: The thing that's honestly been bugging me is why Rels didn't unvote. like when I saw the claim at midnight I was pretty sure it was fake. But unvote to get info, get a CC, learn who the green check was, learn who the different check was. I'm half expecting a CC from someone else. Idk, I'd still like Rels to explain his reasoning and thinking. I almost unvoted because I thought it was fake. But I realized he posted that right at deadline to attract a hit. I regretted posting "BS" BTW 'cause that showed Koshi's plan was fake, but for some reason it worked. (= | ||
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There is no good explanation for that 'cause it's clearly a mistake. So you're the most likely to do that cause you're new and weird, and yamato and geript are not new. | ||
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On March 18 2016 22:06 Shapelog wrote: I rather just claim scum again. *sign* Town is hard. Sure why not. I prob. will reread them (minus Yammty) and reread the game and make that list i was talking about. Assuming there is no CCed from Yammty/Rels, you (koshi) are confirmed town. I know my alignment, hopefully, and I am town. That leaves Yammty, Gerpit and Rels. + Show Spoiler [reasoning] + Rels: I thought he was blue (I guess i should of thought he was a PR instead but w/e) due to: Why do i think Rels is/has been blue/PR. His blue talk has been off the motherfucking chain. All those post about blue claiming and shit most likely is town. It kinda of hit me after the few first posts about the topic. Maybe 1 or 2 is ok, but with the amount he has, it just seems unnatural. Also I read How to Improve mafia XXX + Show Spoiler [story] + The way I came to mafia XXX analyst btw, I was on the recruitment page for Mafia when i saw the links. I never read them so i clicked them and decided to read them. Then in mafia XXX i found the blue hunting thing and it made me think of Rels. -Tries to contribute but doesn't stick their neck out -Shows fear/wants to instinctively hide -Drastically lower post quantity compared to games when they are green but still tries to contribute. -Focuses most of their posts on blue roles or ignores them entirely. -To figure out which role specifically, they will focus unnatural amounts of attention on that role, know the rules for that role thoroughly, or ignore it entirely while mentioning other blue roles. Figuring out the specific is difficult to ascertain and not always applicable, but these heuristics will hold up more often than not. I do not know about 2-3 (i really do not know Rels meta, nor am i really a meta player) but 4-5 kinda nails him on the head. Since he Atm is not blue, It is worth looking into him more. Worth looking into his other sus. during yesterday. I he also has pushed every wagon come to think about it, and then some. Pushed Slam Pushed Vivax Try to sus. Gerpit Pushed Slam Pushed Tumble + sus. other people But i've done it too so i need to look into it. Yammty i think is town due to his d1 sus on kush. Plus what happen yesterday. It is possible that he is scum, but i highly doubt it. I had some sus. with his gerpit and tumble progression (did he comment on tumble progression?) but his explaintion with gerpit makes sense plus timing shows that he did not have come up with a reason for why. Geprit, I kinda have forgotten he has been here. He makes a post or two and then just dissapears. I need to look to see if he follows up actually. The only thing I remember really from him is the unvote. It makes him looks more townie. So Yammty is most likely town. And it is Rels Vs. Gerpit. Rels needs a look at because I realized that he has been on every wagon as well as me. Weird that you think I wouldn't do this as VT because you obsed me doing exactly that (forcing doc to claim) during the smurf game. | ||
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On March 18 2016 22:56 Shapelog wrote: Weird maybe but new? That is a stretch, I've played in 5 games (6 counting replaced out) and have played scum before. I wouldn't made that mistake. Even if i was pissed (like koshi suggested) I would of gotten over it and submitted a night kill. I know i come up with crazy ideas as scum (or at least i think i do) but fucking saying it is me because i am "New and weird" is not really fair. You are using the fact that i am a "newb" against me. Of course I am. What is weird with my thinking ? If I was scum, game would be over 'cause I wouldn't ever hold my shot. I think it's the same for yamato and geript. On the other hand, you're a kinda crazy guy that do not have a lot of experience yet. Like, scum didn't hold his shot once but fukcing twice. It cannot be a mistake, it was deliberate. | ||
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On March 18 2016 22:58 Shapelog wrote: I didn't ob smurf.......Only reason why i even batted a eye at it was because someone thought i was playing. I didn't read shit that game. I am not even on the ob list for that game. Thought you did 'cause you posted in it. Alrigtht. Then go read the last days to confirm / deny then if you want to attack me on that. | ||
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On March 17 2016 02:26 geript wrote: Tbh. I'm really curious why he thinks Mafia wouldn't shoot. That's a really different conclusion to make. Yeah found it. Gotta find the original post now. | ||
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On March 18 2016 23:05 Shapelog wrote: Yeah it was fucking deliberate. I even fucking suggested it was yesterday cycle and gerpit found it weird. So I am going to not only out my stat as mafia, but do so while someone was sus. of me? What is the reward there excetly Rels? I going to convince people that mafia holded shots and what? What do i gain? Nothing. People wouldn't find me more town for think about WIFOM scum tatics. And than today, suggest that mafia might have a role that is worth not NKing(which apperently is not the case)? You think that i am trying to look clueless? *sign* i am getting tilited. Obv. at this point, the no shots have been to stall. So we are looking for someone who has been safe i guess. Last night shot happen to remove confirm townie. Or someone forgot to submit NK's twice. Doesn't mean the mafia should be MK though? Yeah. Jumping to the conclusion of "scum didn't shoot" when the obvious conclusion was "doc or jk stopped the nk" is weird. Wanna read to exact post, but you make it seem like if you were scum, it would have had to be a WIFOM strategy, when I think it's likely to be a slip. | ||
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On March 18 2016 23:20 Shapelog wrote: What? I was explaining why i thought you were blue for the last few days. Then remember you and me have been on every single lynch wagon and pushed it. I was explaining it because in the first post i posted this cycle i said if there was a CC, it prob. would come from Rels. And i had you as blue and i wanted to let people know why. But apparently it is scummy that i want to make sure that people who i think maybe scum could be scum. and it is scummy that I answer koshi. so w.e, currently looking through smurf filter from you. OK I thought you were saying that since I was not blue I was likely scum. If that is not what you meant then alright. | ||
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On March 18 2016 23:23 Koshi wrote: Are you 2 solving the game or just bickering? Also lol @ rels claiming I am not blue. Did you feel attacked ? ^^ | ||
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On March 16 2016 21:01 Shapelog wrote: Lol Mafia forgot to put their gun off of safety OK nothing fancy in that post. Yeah it's a super weird assumption to make. | ||
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On March 18 2016 23:27 Koshi wrote: I want to point out I had both slam and tumble as town. Imagine if you guys sheeped those reads. Don't know how you had Tumble as town. | ||
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On March 18 2016 20:18 Koshi wrote: We are also looking for a mafia who forgor to send in 2 kills. Not going to be rels I think. Yamato was a bit strong on the language around nkills. Maybe talking about himself? Or you are a pretty busy guy geript. I don't understand the bolded ? | ||
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On March 16 2016 08:29 yamato77 wrote: Mafia is either a complete idiot or the doctor is a God. Either way, we still lynch tumble. Should be what Koshi meant. I had the same thinking when I saw there was no kills so I don't think it's weird. | ||
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On March 19 2016 00:54 yamato77 wrote: At this point it's obvious that this is actually just mafia's strategy. I'm personally lost as I must have been wrong about someone, but I also don't have the time today to read filters and re eval. Unfortunately not lynching today would make this lylo. Not true I think, scums wins in 3 days and 6 hours so we can have one 48 hours day when we want. But I agree it's better to have one 24 hours day now and one 48 hours LYLO if we need it. | ||
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On March 19 2016 01:04 Shapelog wrote: Um that was not it. That was a joke lol. This was the real one. founded 2 posts below the post you quoted. Trust me, I explain everything except Reads. Tinfoil inculded. Sad part is, that i told myself that Tumble couldn't be scum in that theory but forgot about it. And why were you semi-convinced scum hold their shot ? It is not the normal assumption to make. | ||
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On March 19 2016 01:32 Shapelog wrote: Rels, As someone who appearlenty read or know about Newbie XIX, would you call me a dumb scum in that game? I mean i only slipped 10 mins, wrote up to a 30 page filter, had to bus my team mates hard.  I skimmed that game, I remember you having a lot of content and freeflowing the thread. Doesn't mean you're an experienced scum. Maybe as Koshy says it's a mistake and busy scum busy geript or yamato didn't shoot someone in time N1, and decided to go with MYLO N2 taking the risk of a save N3. That's a big maybe. It takes 5 seconds to put the NK on someone just in case. The simple explanation is that the no-kill N1 was premeditated, and you're the only one that could do that because you're new, you makes weird play and you were super townread by everyone I think. | ||
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On March 19 2016 01:33 Shapelog wrote: 10 mins in* And jeez were is your blue talk in Smurf On February 17 2016 01:14 Iwasrobik wrote: The tinfoil on me is super townie. OK I think I have accepted you as town. Wartruk & Garga, if you're doc you need to claim right now. On February 17 2016 03:48 Iwasrobik wrote: You're wrong. Medic can protect himself so it's the same if he claims or not; AND we can either take someone out of the lynch pool (if there is no counterclaim) and reduce the lynch pool to 2 people (if there is a counterclaim). You are the most likely lynch so please claim your role in your next post. On February 17 2016 04:06 keanuisgod wrote: Garga left to claim then On February 17 2016 04:14 Iwasrobik wrote: So it's either Garga vs Wartruk, or Garga vs Kaenu depending on what he says On February 17 2016 04:24 Iwasrobik wrote: Guess it's obvious I'm VT and I think Kaenu is doc now ... | ||
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On March 19 2016 01:41 Shapelog wrote: I highly recommend the scum QT, it is very WIFOM with me and SLAM! So it was premeditated correct? I'll entertain this, What do you think i would gain from it? Already answered that. Nothing, it was a mistake. What I'm saying is that I don't think yamato or geript would make that mistake. | ||
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On March 19 2016 01:50 Shapelog wrote: So it was premeditated, but yet a mistake? Or am i missing something? I think it's very unlikely scum misses a shot by mistake. So I think the N1 no-kill was premeditated. So, if you're scum, you did that premeditated and I don't know why you did that. It was clearly a mistake since it gave town a mislynch. BUT after N2 no-kill you had a whole post about why scum would no-kill and how that pointed at Tumble being town, so you as scum would have a reason to do it. | ||
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On March 19 2016 01:59 Shapelog wrote: I had a suppose reason that town read (my bad, in the moment i was swayed but oh well) the person who was the easiest Pray? As scum? This is absolutely not something that scum doesn't do so it doesn't prove anything one way or the other. Especially since that didn't stop you from scumreading + voting him. | ||
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On March 19 2016 02:06 Shapelog wrote: I FORGOT! And in the moment i was swayed by thread. + Show Spoiler + Off topic, but i just realized that in every game that i played, and she obed. Sky has called me scum XD Then why bring up the fact that you townread him when he was the easiest pray p: | ||
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On March 19 2016 02:16 Shapelog wrote: BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD POINT! -.- Eh, on and off so i can't filter. No you didn't think it was a GOOD POINT, you said "I had a suppose reason that town read (my bad, in the moment i was swayed but oh well) the person who was the easiest Pray? As scum?" So you're saying "I townread Tumble, he was the easiest pray, this is town indicative". Well, first it's maybe a little town indicative but it's nothing strong. And more importantly, you betrayed him when he needed you the most so it's not even applicable. | ||
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Outside of the no-kills: Still think geript is town for the "I'm suspicious" unvote D1, which is a weird thing to do as scum. Yamato could be scum I suppose for being so inactive. BUT one of them being scum means scum forgot to kill someone N1 which is super unlikely. Only Shape had a reason to not kill anyone N1. He's scum. | ||
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On March 19 2016 04:04 Koshi wrote: geript, yamato there is no reason to not vote today. Use the 48 hours on the last day. ++ | ||
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On March 19 2016 05:53 Shapelog wrote: I mean unless I am batty here and missing something. But just because it is unlikely, does not make you confirm town. It makes me confirmed town because I am a very ... "rule"-oriented, logical player. I would never not kill someone N1 when that meant town had one more mislynch. So if you think I'm scum you think I forgot to submit a night kill, which is as you said unlikely, but for me it's more than that, it's impossible unless my internet rooter + my network phone card broke or something. I'm the kind of player that reacted to a bus drive claim at deadline in PYP 4 for example and changed a NK target in 2 seconds. Having said that, it doesn't matter that I'm logical or not, no experienced scum would ever give town a mislynch. So no-kill N1 means: - scum forgot to submit a NK (yamato or geript fits the "busy player" thing), but this is unlikely I think for yamato or geript 'cause it's just so dumb - OR scum did that on purpose, and only you could do something like this | ||
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On March 19 2016 06:14 Koshi wrote: I can lynch yamato No, he could have jumped on Shape just now and killed you during the silent night to shut you up when you clearly said you were his number 2 target. Shape is 99% scum. | ||
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On March 19 2016 07:21 geript wrote: Not even close. How is it possible that Yam or I would forget to submit a kill? I've played a gajillion games and never missed a submission; hell, any host knows I'll often submit 4+ actions in a single night. I'm a planner as a person and especially as scum. No way in hell I forget to or don't submit NKs. TBH, I don't see how Yam does that either even if he is busy. I don't think I've ever seen him fail to use his role. That's not a valid reason for being town let alone confirmed town. Exactly. I wouldn't do that either. Only possible solution is shape | ||
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On March 19 2016 07:22 Shapelog wrote: I mean, I guess 48 hours this cycle is OK. Wish koshi would use the cofirm townie thing more but w/e. when did you start scum reading me rels? When I learned scum didn't shoot n1 and n2 | ||
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On March 19 2016 07:26 Shapelog wrote: BUT I WOULDN'T FORGOT! I ONLY FORGOT THINGS THAT SAVE LIVES, NOT TAKE AWAY LIVES! Quite honestly, lets just remove the forgetting thing from this because with all the players it really does not fit. More beneficial too look at the premeditated part of the argrement No experiensolution would premeditate a no shoot. It just doenst make sense. | ||
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On March 19 2016 07:30 Shapelog wrote: Well that must of happen Rels, since we all doubt everyone did a mistake, and since i know i am town. Yeah from your POV you gotta push this. | ||
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It's my dad birthday today so can't play before tonight. We have 2 days so it's OK though. | ||
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On March 21 2016 00:28 geript wrote: The 'forget to submit' argument is bad at best. Yamato has had original thoughts. Like maybe I've been misreading him all game, but I seriously doubt it. I'd rather you explain your thought process behind how you instantly start believing the meta case on slam after defending him all day 1. Explain how you never start a wagon but join any wagon presented. I said that before and I say it again that's a lie, I said ylr particular meyaread was wrong but I always said what my way of reading slam was and I applied it. I also pushed every peroan I thought was scum | ||
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First, you saw me play in very themed games: personality, season of the witch, PYP. I always calculate everything to see if a best course of action can be calculated through percentages or not. Examples from this game: I was pusing Slam and Tumble to claim blue since they were the likely lynches D2 and I wanted information, but I didn't do that D3 because I saw there was a chance to gain a mislynch should the NK fail, something a blue claim would stop. Examples from every other themed games can be found if you want. The point is, I would have never forgot to send a NK N1. Not talking about doing it on purpose 'cause that is ridiculous. On us 3, you and yamato both look like you could have done it by mistake, you were both super busy this game. But this is not something that can happen with the way I play. If I was scum, the game would 100% be over already. EVEN assuming I forgot to send a NK, I would never forget to send it again N2. Here I do not know if scum made a mistake again and if they wanted to go to MYLO instead of LYLO. If that was made purposefully, this was a bad choice 'cause there was the possibility of MYLO transforming into a free mislynch for town should the KP fail N3. And that is what happened. I would never do something that could give me such a big potential drawback for almost no result. Second, if I was scum you would be dead. We played twice where I was scum and you were town. Twice I killed you N1. In season of the witch, I was happy letting you take the mayor thing and NK you. In PYP, I was pushing for you getting a strong role (Nigella, you got Link instead which was even better) 'cause I wanted you dead N1. Hell, in PYP Onegu claimed during the last minute before silence period that he bussed you and Koshi, and I purposefully changed the KP from you to Koshi in order to make sure you were dead. (ended up costing me the game 'cause the other team also targeted you through the bus) | ||
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From the scum QT of season of the witch : My god Can't believe how much work it took to impose a damdred check when I had only geript in front of me Geript is a fucking wildcard He gets the grail today We kill him tonight Can't believe how perfect it is Now we kill fucking geript and ls is incriminated Actually going to do that now. We can always change it during the night ##Witch kill geript geript probably won't be protected because: - rayn had a few posts asking the angel prot to be on Damdred - if the angel prot is not on Damdred, then it will be on either rayn or myself We're killing geript because: - he is a fucking wildcard that follows his gut to find the truth, so he's the most likely player to scumread me - he is very suspicious of you and he's the only person being a little suspicious of me - more than that, he's suuuuuuper suspicious of LS, he even wanted us to switch to him for the lynch, so killing him will incriminate LS as a mafia - I have the problem of being one of the town leader and not going to die; why won't I die ? At least for this night, I can explain it by sayin geript was killed because of grail + suspicions on LS Post game: On September 25 2015 16:43 Rels wrote: geript I don't know how you do it but you have this ability to play like shit for a long time, then comes in for a few hours, ooze townieness and solves the game via gut feels I think it is pretty cool p: you were the person I was the most afraid of. Hence your kill N1 From the scum QT of PYP: geript is actually super good, he has these insane gut reads all the time that are impossible to avoid if he sense something off about you. I don't know why he was so garbage in personality He also scumread me and disfo this game and he was fucking Link I'm glad he's dead | ||
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He was absent when important things were going scum's way. He was townreading Slam the whole game but didn't really fight for Tumble, who he scumreads. After this post (D2 when Slam was lynched) 7 hour before deadline he didn't post again: On March 15 2016 01:03 yamato77 wrote: I won't be around for the rest of today. More appointments, gym, work, etc. If you all decide to lynch today I won't oppose it but I've made my sentiment clear. But he was around end of D3 to ensure a Tumble lynch (30 minutes befored eadline): On March 17 2016 07:31 yamato77 wrote: Well unless we get another person here and they vote Tumble, then this will be a wasted day. But he wasn't there again during Shape's lynch since that post (3h40 before deadline): On March 19 2016 05:20 yamato77 wrote: I'd really rather not lynch today when I have no time to actually play, and then waste the one day I do have to play being silent and then be fucked on time Sunday again. We'll have to make a good lynch today because I'm not lynching just to lynch. It's retarded. Saturday was apaprently the only day he could play, but he didn't reread anything, as apparent in his last post: On March 21 2016 04:39 yamato77 wrote: I have a super hard time believing that mafia geript unvotes town Slam right before the day 1 lynch deadline. I also thought Rels was fishy since day 1. But I did read his/kush's filter and somehow exclude him. Yet his post today screams mafia to me. I must reread. I definitely don't have time to make a good decision today. Whichever one of you is the town should definitely not vote. All of this indicates scum. He's doing the minimum to survive since kush was modkilled. 24 posts since D2 when he said this: On March 11 2016 05:03 yamato77 wrote: I'm fine with being wrong, Vivax. I never claimed to be particularly good at mafia. I never claimed to be particularly good at reading you. I wanted to play a game, and I am playing. yamato is 99% scum. If he's town he's playing the worst game of his life. | ||
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On March 21 2016 15:10 geript wrote: 3. I think Hapa likes rolling people roles they don't prefer and I think Hapa would try to challenge buddy yam like this BTW this is really ridiculous | ||
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Now I have no idea where your confidence of yamato being town comes from given his play; his D1 was OK but the rest is so scummy. I liked his post on me (on D2 I think ?) and I thought it was impossible an experiecned player could forget to send a NK; but the rest of his filter is scum. | ||
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On March 20 2016 15:18 Rels wrote: No you won't. I'm conf town 'cause I would never forget to submit a kill and yamato is useless. I'm doubtful about who is the busy scum but you should not from your POV. It's my dad birthday today so can't play before tonight. We have 2 days so it's OK though. Yamato why was this scummy ? | ||
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On March 22 2016 03:03 geript wrote: I'm eating and thinking. Shouldn't take too much time. I just posted two reasons that are both enough alone to make me town beyond reasonnable doubt. | ||
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On March 22 2016 03:16 yamato77 wrote: Seems pretty clear that you're just appealing to geript setting up the me v you before actually having a geript read (by your own admission) but whatever. Gotta admit I townread geript more than you at the time of that post. And I discarded it all when I reread your filters. But it doesn't make sense for you to think that at the time, since doing that assumes that you have a geript townread too; after all, he did the same thing and you didn't call him out for that: On March 20 2016 12:53 geript wrote: Gonna read after a bit of dinner with friends. But I think I'll be voting for Rels. On March 21 2016 00:28 geript wrote: The 'forget to submit' argument is bad at best. Yamato has had original thoughts. Like maybe I've been misreading him all game, but I seriously doubt it. I'd rather you explain your thought process behind how you instantly start believing the meta case on slam after defending him all day 1. Explain how you never start a wagon but join any wagon presented. So either: - you didn't townread geript at the time, so you're treating people that did the same thing with different conclusions - you townread geript at the time more than me, so you did the exact same thing you fouind suspicious Either way that doesn't make sense. | ||
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On March 22 2016 03:42 yamato77 wrote: Rels, if you're town, I'm amazed that you seem more concerned with proving that you are town than actually considering who could be mafia. It seems like you came into today, decided I was mafia, and ignored geript's alignment completely. I don't think a town player does that very often. You'd have to be completely convinced I was mafia, which you really shouldn't be. If you're town, we've already lost I'm sure but honestly I just don't think it's the case. That is not true. I reread every post of yours and geript before making the decision of losing if geript is scum. Since I've decided geript must be town to win, proving I'm town is as effective and proving you're scum. It's difficult to prove you're scum since you've done almost nothing and geript has a townfeel on your post which I can't fight since it's meta. And contrary to what you're affirming, I've actually did that, showing how you did the minimum after kush was modkilled and were never there at deadline appart from that time tumble's lynch wasn't secured. But it's way easier to prove I'm town since I've played with geript several times and I have a way to prove I'm town. | ||
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On March 22 2016 03:50 yamato77 wrote: It's truly not apparent from your posting here at lylo that you ever considered the possibility of geript being mafia. I did. Because I didn't post while I was reading his filter doesn't mean I didn't weight it against yours. | ||
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On March 22 2016 03:56 geript wrote: The big things for me are: your towncase is interesting but it's basically "I wouldn't do X as Scum" which sounds more true than it often is and that it's a big appeal to my ego (a good one at that). Town case proved I was town without ambiguity. | ||
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On March 22 2016 04:03 yamato77 wrote: not if you actually forgot to submit lol 1 - That's the first reason I can't be scum. 2 - Then he would be dead N2. | ||
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On March 22 2016 04:08 yamato77 wrote: That's just not a compelling argument at all really Nightkills have a lot more behind them than just "I think this person is good as town" It is when I complained in every QT that geript should be killed N1. | ||
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I am responsible for this lynch. If Rels flips town I am the sole reason town lost. If Rels flips scum I am a God. | ||
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On the other hand what is making me even madder is that I am confirmed town from geript POV and hes still voting me. | ||
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but mostly I didn't really care this game. Still blows my mind that I'm being lynched over 24 posts yamato but whatever | ||
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At the same time it's super weird for you to do that last minute thing, sounds like town | ||
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On March 22 2016 07:58 geript wrote: Correct. I'm 100% for votting a lynch off that's at least 50% scum. ITS NOT AT LEAST 50% SCUM IF YOU THINK I AM 99% SCUM | ||
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ESPECIALLY YOU YAMATO | ||
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Not me, I was wrong on everyone ^^ but most importantly I didn't put the needed time and care Sry kush for the modkill =X sry geript for the shennanie ^^ GG hosts it was well handled and the setup was cool. And GG town sry for the bad mood. We didn't exactly deserve to win but it's nice anyway p: | ||
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On March 22 2016 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, you fucking no-killed TWICE so you gave town +1 lynch so you deserved to lose tbh. Gotta +1 this | ||
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TY yamato for the carry. Shape I never thought you were scum but I just couldn't imagine anyone not being new not killing N1 and N2. Vivax I'm super sorry for being part of your wagon when you were super townie. Lynching you when I kinda knew it was wrong kinda killed my motivation after that actually p: | ||
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On March 22 2016 08:28 Hapahauli wrote: The thing is, that Geript case was your most well-fleshed out and justified case by far. It's almost as if you get distracted by new reads and information too easily. Yeah there was no town logic behind the unvote and I shouldn't have discarded it. | ||
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