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On February 29 2016 13:49 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2016 05:14 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Bum
This is kind of a waste of time but whatever lol. Day 2, Bum makes a hesitant scumread of vayne ,a hesitant townread of breshke, and votes breshke. He makes it clear that he really wants to switch to voting vayne if breshke comes back from afk. So his vote does not match his words, and the mafia motivation to save scum is clear.
Vayne is scum because he hasn't posted as townie as townie as he did in 1 post from a game a long time ago, 2 days into the game: On February 25 2016 15:02 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +VayneAuthorityThese are all his reads, and I wouldn't call them reads, more like gut feelings, because there isn't much explanation anywhere. + Show Spoiler +On February 23 2016 09:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
vivax and breshke mafia On February 23 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 11:56 ritoky wrote:On February 23 2016 11:38 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky do you have any town reads or scum reads here?
I didn't like sls entrance but idk I wouldn't want your cell up early in either instance. But I don't think for SL it was necessarily scummy just a shitty excuse i was mildkly okay with OWS's entrance cuz of his confidence level. basically said "i can shit enough town and i can read damdred well enough that my cell is cake". kush feels town for now darth doesn't seem like town darth right now, he typed a big post and none of it was about the current game. SL was underwhelming on his entrance. VA did the town VA thing, but i kinda told him that meta read last time we played so he could easily be emulating it you overestimate my memory, barely remember what happened in that game but dont worry ill solve the game right now SL Obi Rels breshke vivax badabing On February 25 2016 00:27 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 00:23 Rels wrote:On February 25 2016 00:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
iim just waiting for ritoky to 50/50 this thing I dont feel like analyzing this shit if i have a 33% of being removed from the game immediately Your gut reads on FF and Breshke ? breshke scum my updated list is breshke, darthfoley, vivax, obi, SL On February 25 2016 05:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
its not coincidence that all the people i have as scum are voting me, its because they are scum lol The only posts that go into further detail are something about me playing a game 8 years ago and confusing me with someone, which is far from scummy. At least he went through the effort of looking at a past game of mine. And then one more post: On February 25 2016 04:58 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 04:53 darthfoley wrote:On February 25 2016 03:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
I work in an ENT office so i have very random internet access/downtime, so yea.
but anyways darthfoley looks even worse now, might be able to go 2-0 here. Why do I look worse for saying, "I don't know why people are town reading FF after looking at his filter" I found and still find his filter super underwhelming. It was at max null for me. I also don't know why this doesn't make Rels look worse for you, considering he basically drew the same conclusion as me regarding FF--> kinda useless, null or scum lean. @Shapelog... Not sure what i'm supposed to say to you having a "weird" vibe from my #640 post. @Rels I still think your "VA is being aggressive" line is bullshit. Your explanation was basically just him throwing a few names out early. How is that aggressive when there's NO explanation? I guess Kush plays every game aggressive then because of his random scum list 1.1 1.2 lists. Aggressively implies that he's pushing his reads. He's done no pushing, and seems very happy with me being scum read, stating over and over how great it's going to be when "we go up 2-0" we = ??? The VA town I've played with in Unoriginal didn't do much D1 and came out with a blockbuster read post that completely read my scum play, with reasoning and all. He just seems more willing to go with the flow in this game, which isn't how he played last time. His play reminds me more of the Star Wars scum game I played with him. I find it ironic that i'm playing pretty much EXACTLY how I played Star Wars D1 last game and was universally (correctly) town read for it, but here all of a sudden everyone scum reads me. I was sort of a devil's advocate in Star Wars because I really didn't like the way the Palmar wagon was shaping up. It was basically one wagon with no alternative and everyone was jumping on; I feel similarly regarding Breshke and VA right now. Everyone scum reading the same person, especially in a game with 5!!!! scum, makes me suuuuper uneasy. @Shapelog Meta reading me in Newbie vs. this game is completely different. This is themed, and I'm playing with much better and more experienced players. I am playing a similar game compared to Star Wars: I am willing to sheep people who are better at the game and I have read town, but I am also willing to point out logical inconsistencies and uneasy wagons when I see them. Maybe Breshke is scum who has just gone AFK or whatever and people are trying to jump on him and get town cred, but it makes no sense for scum!darthfoley to be the only one willing to defend/challenge conventional wisdom. you look worse for defending breshke and I now know 100% that breshke is scum, simple as that. Thats why you now look worse. dunno what tangent you were even going off on Which is simply him connecting Breshke and darthfoley. There is an incredibly meager line that differentiates VA and Breshke. VA is capable of giving so much more. I liked this post in a previous town game that was roughly 2-3 days after the game started. On May 08 2013 01:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
Second part Analysis of Targe
So, tonight the mafia killed somebody that pretty much nobody expected of being mafia which was interesting and raises some questions. Which of the 2 of Sugarfluff, targe, nobodywonder, and espi.casey is scum? which of Me, calgar, shirokami, and spicydinosaur is scum? If I had to guess this would be the distribution the mafia went with, 2 on the townie lynch and one in no man's land.
Jampi suspected both Targe and Espi.casey before he died, so we have to wonder if this a red herring or are these 2 really mafia? it's hard to tell. Targe was on the Jarjar lynch since the beginning, while espi jumped to it last second. This could be Targe being a sneaky mafia and carefully leading a wrong lynch, or it simply could be a townie that got a wrong read.
Probably my biggest reason for suspecting Targe right now is that I like to pinpoint a certain player in the beginning and see how they react. Much like in courts, you'll see the psychological reaction of some one that did not commit a crime and is being tried unfairly be angry/upset, while those that have committed the crime tend to be more lax and unemotional.
This has served me well in previous mafia games, where mafia will tend to just kind of semi-ignore your accusations and be pretty friendly about it as Targe has been doing.
Another reason I have for suspecting him is that he is very adamant throughout about jampi being town, and then jampi shows up as dead the first night....this fixation did not go unnoticed and was the reason I needed to see the night killing before posting this.
For the above reasons, I will be voting either Targe or Espi.casey tonight.
Something like that would make me feel better about him HINT HINT @ VA So! -If VA posts anything beyond this and Breshke does not, I'd feel better about Breshke being lynched. -If Breshke makes a pretty substantial list of reads WITH REASONS, and regardless of whether VA does or does not build on what his "gut feelings", I would look closely on their most recent posts to gauge things. I'm putting my vote on Breshke. I think Australia has had enough time to give us anything. I'll try to pick at what's been posted so far by Brush. On that note On February 25 2016 03:35 ritoky wrote:basically this is where i am at: 1) i know from recent experience with him that breshke doesn't like being mafia as much as he likes being town 2) breshke has invested less in this game than basically any game he has played in years, which may be alignment indicative 3) breshke has done nothing for me to TR him, and nothing in general 4) VA did his town meta thing
5) VA sounds dickish/obstinate, which is how he sounds more often as town. as opposed to when he is all friendly and shit as mafia like here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=VayneAuthoritythus breshke i think breshke is currently the scum Based on what I've read in recent games, I don't get what this could possibly be, unless its making lists with no reasons. I must have missed that meta-call.
Here is his townread of breshke. Breshke is town because of 1 hard work (ok reason) 2 called vayne scum and ff town, which wasn't contradicted by the 50/50. (this reason is really bad because town could have just as easily been wrong or right after the 50/50) On February 25 2016 15:21 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Breshke (gonna call him B because I'm lazy)There are 2 keys to B 1) He hasn't made a read outside of his cell. Not sure if anyone told him, but we are going to know his and VAs alignment after this day, so it's worth knowing their thoughts. 2) He has what I like to call the newbie button. All you have to do is hold 'shift' and then press the '/' key after every sentence. And then you can say what you want? 'Bum is scum?' looks a lot more mild then 'Bum is scum.' This is one of his better posts. On February 24 2016 08:35 Breshke wrote:Damdred are you still here? This is a lot harder than i thought it would be. Currently after my brief skims through VA and FF's filter I havn't actually found anything scummy from either of them. I think VA is the scum though purely from the fact that this looks exactly like what I remember from FF and i've only ever played with him as town iirc. His posts seem totally carefree and there is the random posts that do not relate to the game whatsoever. I will look through his recent scumgames though and see if it's any different.Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 23 2016 11:56 ritoky wrote:On February 23 2016 11:38 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky do you have any town reads or scum reads here?
I didn't like sls entrance but idk I wouldn't want your cell up early in either instance. But I don't think for SL it was necessarily scummy just a shitty excuse i was mildkly okay with OWS's entrance cuz of his confidence level. basically said "i can shit enough town and i can read damdred well enough that my cell is cake". kush feels town for now darth doesn't seem like town darth right now, he typed a big post and none of it was about the current game. SL was underwhelming on his entrance. VA did the town VA thing, but i kinda told him that meta read last time we played so he could easily be emulating it you overestimate my memory, barely remember what happened in that game but dont worry ill solve the game right now SL Obi Rels breshke vivax badabing I know this was at the start of the game but do you remember reasons for this list? Aside from him not delivering about VA's past games, and hitting the newbie button so as to avoid all confrontation, he was pretty much on the money. From his point of view, he called FF town and VA scum, and the 50/50 confirms that for him. He either got lucky or made a call he wasn't afraid of. GOOD JOB BRESHKE. On February 24 2016 09:01 Breshke wrote:
mmmm it's really difficult that your scum games are 2/3 smurf games.
Just from a skim of your wartrukk game it is very obvious that you played far more seriously. There was still some moments of idgaf but I can see how they made less sense. Not really sure how to explain that.
Im not sure how much I can attribute this to your scum game or weather it is you trying not to out your smurf though. Would you say you were actively trying to hide your identity that game FF?
I'm having trouble finding pyp even though i played in it fml Oh, he did follow up on filtering VA. And he even went through smurfs. I would never do that, that sounds like work. More question marks, and even self-deprecation. + Show Spoiler +[M][N] [W] Newbie LVIII - Disney Princess Mafia Town Vanilla Town Killed Night 2
[W] Newbie Mini Mafia LIX Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3
[M][N] Campus Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 4
[S] Student Mafia IV Town Vanilla Survived Day 6
[M][N] Metal Mini Mafia! Mafia Vanilla Killed Night 1
[M][N] New Years Eve Party Mini Mafia Mafia Roleblocker Killed Night 2
[S] Student Mafia V Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4
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[N] TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy Town Vanilla Lynched Day 5
[M][N] Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 3 Town Vanilla Survived Day 3
[T] Hajime no Ippo Maifa Town Hama Dankichi Lynched Day 7
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[M][T] Witchcraft Mini Mafia III Town Acolyte Survived Night 2
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[S] Newbie Student Mafia XIII Town Vanilla Survived Day 4
[T] The New Personality Mafia Town Raynpelikoneet Killed Night 4
[S] Newbie Student Mafia XIV: Firefly Town Doctor Killed Night 3
[S] Newbie Student Mafia XVII: Fullmetal Edition Mafia Roleblocker Lynched Day 2 You got 20+ games under your belt son, you can't hide behind ? forever! On February 24 2016 11:57 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 09:41 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure that's true Breshke, if you exclude him for tone do you think any other tonal things in his openers or how he posts line up? Even if the circumstances are different we still have some of the same tells.
@LS , what do you think of the point I made about Breshke thinking about the 50/50? And who are you scum leaningok atm? mm you are right, especially considering he says he wasn't trying to hide his smurf I just haven't really done tone reads before. From the scum games I looked at I think that FF as scum is a bit more focused on the game. He makes far less fluff posts and when he does i feel they are still half related to the game and solving it or making excuses for himself. Like i said before it isn't like that this game he is more care free and unfocused And the last relevant post. Again on the money before the 50/50 happened. Where are you dude? This would be a bad cell to lose. By the way, here is the game I took VA's previous post from. If there are better ones to go off of, I'd be easily swayed. You were blindly following what Vivax shoved in your face about some stupid "he thought I was a different Bum". You're not going to pigeonhole me to being rightly paranoid on the first lynch of the game. And then that's it? This is your case? Stop being lazy. Why did you join this game? Give me or vivax a proper analysis kush. If you don't I swear to god I'm not playing mafia ever again.
You still didn't address anything in this case or answer any of my questions I posted above the case.
This has nothing to do with Vivax.
I find your appeal to emotion, that you will never play mafia again, forced and overreactive.
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On February 29 2016 22:27 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2016 09:39 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
For the next cell I'm gonna shape is scum because the other two look town and I don't want to read shape's filter. Idc, I am willing to take the bullet as long as this cell gives us a point to bump us 2:1 I still will try to prove my innocents, but I won't mind.
Why won't you mind? The last cell is really hard.
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um im wasn't here because I was busy at work.
I haven't given a lot of thought into the next two cells because their filters are long. And I've felt I haven't needed to prove my towniness.
I already made a case on bum that was a slam dunk.
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shape, if the cells are hard, why would i be more likely to try to read them? that would just take more time for something that ultimately isn't even going to be my decision.
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At lunch I was shopping around for a new car. Same thing I was doing all of Saturday.
After that I had to do work. I am at work so I have to do stuff sometimes.
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If I had a lot of time I'd sink my teeth into those cells but I don't so I won't.
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On March 01 2016 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:
Is anyone voting me that isn't PoE?...
YES. You still havent' addressed my case. You still havent' answered the questions I posted before the case.
I mean I don't suggest you waste the effort because you are going to get lynched regardless but w/e.
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On March 01 2016 06:48 Kuragari42 wrote:
Found something that appears interesting in kush's filter though. Post 308/316 he scum leans obi and town leans shape. Post 341 he scum reads shape. No explanation of why the change.
Those reads were guessing based on what I was feeling in the moment.
You should put zero stock into them.
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It's like you have the 6 hardest people on tl to read in those last filters. GL with that shit.
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On February 25 2016 04:46 Kuragari42 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 04:42 ritoky wrote:
thats the kinda soft-bus for credit later kinda posts i make when i am scum. Pretty sure if town hasn't won by our cell, it will be insta-loss.
Is this townie? I think it might be but I'm not sure why.
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On March 01 2016 06:54 Kuragari42 wrote:
Noon, thoughts on me. You are 1 of 2 who have played w me before, does this look like my first scum game to you?
I will say it looks a lot different from your last towngame.
But a lot of little things are making me think you're town.
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On March 01 2016 06:55 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 06:54 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 25 2016 04:46 Kuragari42 wrote:On February 25 2016 04:42 ritoky wrote:
thats the kinda soft-bus for credit later kinda posts i make when i am scum. Pretty sure if town hasn't won by our cell, it will be insta-loss. Is this townie? I think it might be but I'm not sure why. Because mafia would not care about that at that stage of game?
If he's scum, that's a statement on confidence.
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DAMDRED WHY WOULD YOU LIE TO THE QT LIKE THAT
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yeah LS like omg.. that caps lock was amazing.
How did you caps lock like that!!
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On March 07 2016 00:06 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 07:05 LightningStrike wrote:On February 28 2016 07:04 Shapelog wrote:On February 28 2016 06:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly I rather have Darth be lynched I still think Rels is town over Darth. Meta says Rels is town. Just trust me on this guys. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/M5XiZ6T.gif) + Show Spoiler + This was probably the funniest post I had read after my cell ^_^  GG, I fucked up my d1 and d2 pretty badly.
I doubt you died for your d1 and d2 that far into the game.
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