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On February 16 2016 15:55 Tictock wrote: Well, did you get any read off of Trfel and Eden in their exchange? Who do you think is trying to build themselves towncred? You and Shape were just on a mafia team together, do you have any insights into his alignment? Maybe you could try to talk about stuff like that rather than complain that the day is boring. Trfel and Eden are town because mafia are usually afraid to get into a heated argument. I think everyone besides those two who has been active is making little town cred posts without substance. Shape was spammy as all hell last game. Is that just normal though? Maybe. Tictock, what do you think of Trfel and Eden arguing? | ||
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On February 17 2016 02:22 nooniansoong wrote: Tumble do you buy trfels palmar nonsense I haven't played with Palmar, so a meta-read on him doesn't mean much to me. I think Palmar could be scum as easily as town. Also, Shapelog, could you at least use names for people even close to their usernames? Also, why did you say, "I might be trolling"? It's either one or the other. | ||
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Really I'm just concerned that scum will win because town lacks information and doesn't seek any. | ||
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The other four have been too absent for my tastes... Breshke has been moderately active, stay tuned for a filter dive. | ||
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At the beginning of the game (aka when I made that post) the active people (rsoul, Trfel, Eden, kush, TT, SL, Shape, Breshke) were about equally active, and few of their posts at the time provide anything of substance. Since then, rsoul, kush, and TT have taken on a role of facilitation-- that is, making sure the game progresses. I think that mafia are more content just to let this day pass slowly and quietly and would not actively try to prevent that. | ||
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I feel like there's some really next-level read that can be made out of this reaction, but I am not on the next level yet. | ||
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On February 18 2016 02:42 nooniansoong wrote: Shape in one post you say you are sad you aren't scum. In the next you say you'd be burnt out if you rolled scum. Can you explain this contradictory psychology? I also want to mention that Shape said very similar things (basically saying something about not rolling scum) in his last game, as scum. | ||
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The 'Do Not Lynch' List Eden, for putting a lot of effort into finding scum and moving the day along productively. Trfel, for similar reasons. Also, I stand by that mafia would not have gotten into an argument like that earlier in the game. Tictock, for making clear and useful points. The 'Bad Lynch' List Rsoul, for helping in a trolly manner. Palmar, for being overconfident and having huge changes of heart. Kush, but I don't know why. Breshke, for making clear and insightful points, though sparse. The 'Wait And See' List GB, Scott, and The Shining for showing up late. That leaves us SL and... other SL. I keep seeing things in sick's play that are scummy, but then you all assure me that those are just normal things for him. Sick's defense amounts to "don't lynch me because that's a bad idea / I'm an easy townread." Shape has been acting similar to his last game as scum. I had the privilege of being in the scum QT with him, and his gameplan was this: play the "too scummy to be scum" card, and spam the thread (especially with votes) to make it harder to follow. I think both are valid options for a lynch; whoever makes the better case in the next two hours dodges my vote. | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:18 Trfel wrote: Oh yeah, scott31337's in the game. Maybe just lynch him? This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options. | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:26 Breshke wrote: Who are the valid options? I think trefels post is perfectly justified. Right now my lynch list is shining, GB, scott and palmar. I have not mentioned any of these people before and it is mostly based on activity and how this EoD is turning out. SL, Shape, gB, shining, Scott, and Palmar are all reasonable lynches; I don't see what makes Scott the better option in Trfel 's mind. | ||
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On February 18 2016 08:07 nooniansoong wrote: Shape, it's wrong that you're not not wrong. What does that sentence mean | ||
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On February 18 2016 06:42 rsoultin wrote: between GB/shining right now their behavior just doesn't line up with how they voted i think i'm inclined to more or less believe you unless i have a reason to think otherwise bresh/trfel have been and likely always will be town for me unless eden's play has greatly changed i don't see him being scum here, either scott/tumble are kinda up in the air for me (;o; i really don't want tumble to be scum...it would be nice to be right on him) and i'd like them to answer questions yeah i need to reread tho Where do you see that disconnect specifically? | ||
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On February 19 2016 05:28 nooniansoong wrote: So why are you regretting it then if you think they were all town? Low percent of scum > flip town + scumreads through the roof | ||
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On February 19 2016 05:41 nooniansoong wrote: So if you were to go back in time and do it again, what would you have done differently? Knowing what I know now? Of course, why would I ever vote someone I know is town? | ||
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On February 19 2016 05:48 nooniansoong wrote: Reread my question. WHAT would you have done differently. Ohhh Vote GB | ||
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On February 19 2016 07:05 Shapelog wrote: DO not underestimate Tumble, as either alignment. Guy is pretty good Tbh as scum and prob. great as town. What? My play sucked in NSM XIX | ||
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On February 19 2016 08:05 The Shining wrote: By contrast, how would you rate your play here? I would have said, "Much stronger," but now my two biggest scum reads are apparently town. Still a lot better though. | ||
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Scum can be correct for shitty reasons too | ||
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On February 21 2016 05:48 Tictock wrote: So do they seem more likely to be mafia than GB? Or was this simply all 10 people - GB, yourself, your teammates, and a lot of townies? What? I don't think anyone is more likely to be scum than GB, but those next three are the ones who I'm also not yet comfortable with fully townreading. | ||
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On February 21 2016 05:51 Tictock wrote: These are actually good posts... Ugh Tumble why do you show up 15 min before deadline and do this? Because I slept so much that I couldn't show up 2 hrs before deadline and do that. | ||
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On February 21 2016 05:56 nooniansoong wrote: stay strong. it's a good lynch even if he flips town. Town lynches aren't good though. If he flips town then it was the wrong lynch. | ||
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On February 21 2016 06:05 nooniansoong wrote: like i said, good lynch Pls, you could say that even if he were town | ||
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On February 21 2016 05:04 nooniansoong wrote: Shape vote gb or I will verbally abuse you post game. l got a little suspicious of his "good lynch even if town" comment, but this is a 100% town post. Even if the wagon is going full speed ahead, mafia never encourages anyone like this to vote for their scumbuddy. | ||
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On February 21 2016 04:33 scott31337 wrote: ##Vote: Glowingbear Scott's last post, in the voting thread. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 21 2016 09:07 Breshke wrote: Well done people DId i miss anything important - Someone who didn't bother to give the thread a cursory read (~7 pages since he was last there) On February 21 2016 01:37 Breshke wrote: Lynch Scott he doesn't care That's a reason, but not a thoughtful one On February 21 2016 09:11 Breshke wrote: So I still think trefel and rsoul are town cos yeah. Also from the little of what I read noon looks really townie So lets just pretend my reads are really good and lynch Scott, tumble and TT in that order The reasons for his reads are "cos yeah" (though it's a pretty common opinion) and none given for the second. He gives opinions but doesn't act like he cares about them. Not to mention the AFKness for the majority of the day | ||
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This is a weird situation for me. I'm certain that Scott is scum (basically putting no effort whatsoever into solving the game, though apparently that's normal for him? Also his afk voting is pretty scummy, but this is all pretty obvious anyway), so the game should be easy-- only one more scum, right? How hard could it be? But neither breshke nor tictock (the only people I'm seriously considering as scum) are looking definitely town or definitely scum to me, and apparently I'm the supposed third scum even though I felt pretty good about this game. Someone asked me about my reason for hesitating on Scott around EoD1. Basically, I thought that Scott hadn't done much that was alignment indicative by that point, and he would have been a super easy mislynch for mafia to push. I'm no longer hesitant because he hasn't stepped it up at all since then-- almost stepped it down. I won't explain why I did everything I did because it's not going to make anyone believe me, so once I wake out I'm just looking at what other people do. | ||
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TUMBLE: Why when asked who you would have voted D1 if you didn't vote Palmar did you say GB? What were you doing/thinking for the 30 minutes you were in thread until you voted Palmar last minute? I woke up pretty late on the day of the deadline, so I spent most of the time catching up. I voted Palmar 5-10 minutes before deadline after realizing my Shape vote would be wasted. The question I answered was, "if you could do it again, who would you vote instead?" and yes I said GB. | ||
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"Noonie is town because of the things he did, Breshke is scum, if rsoul is scum I'll be mad, TT is town for trying to solve the game and not being opportunistic. That's it for my reads" I want more but I don't think we're going to get it or that it's really going to help. Scott, if you care at all about not being lynched, actually come and play the game. | ||
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On February 23 2016 10:37 rsoultin wrote: Lol >< I mean, why GB? I understand that you said him but why did you say him instead of someone else? I'm trying to understand your thought process if you're town, which I do think is quite possible tbh. I just looked through my notes and chose the person with the most negative annotations on their page. Easier than actually reading the thread. | ||
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On February 23 2016 12:41 rsoultin wrote: okay, that tracks...actually your filter in general tracks pretty well lol >< which is leading me toward agreeing with truffle (and noon?) on his scumteam, but anyway can you talk to me about tictock? i see where your read progression went with noon and bresh but not with tictock (though i may have missed it in your filter) A bunch of my townreads (Trfel, noonie) brought him up, so I started looking more critically at him, plus he's one of three possible scum by POE in my mind. Really, though, he's not far from clearing himself as town himself to me. The read is mostly based off of tone/attitude-- he's making it clear that he's trying to solve the game. | ||
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I don't really remember why I scumread Palmar; I think I'd been seeing a lot of reasons why Palmar was scum (were they for you? I was taking your reads into pretty high consideration at the time) and didn't oppose the notion. I was pretty pressed, also, to act like I had some insight into the game. | ||
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Tictock Tictock has had a general air of promoting town values, but he also hasn't done anything very alignment indicative-- in either direction. He's a scum read, not because he's acting scummy, but because he is less townie than several other players. Basically, he's acting like town but hasn't done anything in particular that makes me think he's town. Trfel Trfel is 100% town for me at this point for putting a concerted effort toward solving the game and having well-reasoned reads. nooniansoong I was very heavily swayed by his "I will attack you post game if you don't vote GB" post. I don't think that would come from scum, but it always could. By any means, I'm not pushing to lynch him in the near future. Breshke I think I've explained Breshke before, but not very thoroughly. Basically, he is who I think is most likely to be scum because he has shown little involvement in the game recently. rsoultin I don't think rsoul's "stop scumreading me for being good at scum" post would come from scum... but then again, rsoul is good at scum  Other than that post, nothing has established rsoul as town or scum except tone, and my weak tone read is town lean.TL;DR Sorry hosts, D4 I'll vote for Breshke | ||
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On February 24 2016 15:16 Tictock wrote: You are either very confused or are lying out your ass right here. I also can't help but notice that you have a NULL read on me at this point? It's so weird to me that I've been pushing you all game and you keep saying I'm kinda towny... If you are town you should be fucking concerned about my alignment and trying to convince me that I'm wrong or lynch me respectively. There are two kinds of people in the game: town, and scum. [citation needed] If you are town, you could see me as scummy for my actions in this game. If you are scum, you could be trying to push a mislynch on me. I do not know which of those two is correct. You and Breshke could be pushing for a final mislynch on me, or one or both of you could be town. I cannot tell which is true, hence the null read. On February 24 2016 15:27 Tictock wrote: Oh I guess he did post that after Palmar had flipped (but before Eden!?!) Actually this begs the question, Tumble did you make those notes only after deadline? I had been under the impression you were making them all day, but now see there wasn't one for Palmar. After deadline, I was really confused what to think on everyone because I didn't know where everyone stood, so I sorted it on paper. | ||
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On February 25 2016 11:57 Trfel wrote: Do you mind providing one or two examples of reads that you feel make me town this game? Your D2 scumread of GB And of course your townread on me  Also, I remember that in the postgame qt for NSM XIX you talked about "questions that make someone X if they answer like Y but I can't indicate what Y might be" and you're doing a whole lotta that now. | ||
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Yeah, I have no questions right now. Except maybe on what the point of the whole tarot thing was. | ||
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On February 25 2016 16:16 Tictock wrote: Kinda how I'd expect mafia to react to my Tarot. Pushing me as scum without really saying I'm scum. "Hmmm... seems like something a SCUM would do." But why wouldn't someone going for a mislynch say it outright? | ||
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On February 26 2016 01:42 nooniansoong wrote: i dont understand what you are saying here. - I said, basically, "a townie wouldn't do this" (because trolling in MyLo and acting like it would determine his vote... It should have been obvious he had other reasons) - He said, basically, "that's how I'd expect scum to react, pushing me without saying it" - I responded by asking why mafia wouldn't just push for the lynch - Here we are now Also, kush, why are you suddenly townreading TT? | ||
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On February 26 2016 11:46 Trfel wrote: When you get back, these posts about Breshke that you refer to, aren't they posts by Tictock? If these posts are good enough to make you want to not lynch Breshke, why would this make you want to lynch the person who posted them? Maybe Tumblewood is mafia after all..... Idk where this notion is coming from that I can't agree with someone if also I think they're scum. I'm not thinking this because TT said it, I'm thinking about it because he said it and coming to the same conclusion. | ||
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On February 26 2016 13:54 Trfel wrote: Okay, so my paranoia check on Tumblewood showed that Tumblewood's scumread on Breshke is primarily based on Breshke's lack of activity lately. Which is something that has been discussed in the time of Tumblewood's read change. It makes sense, even if it doesn't feel quite right to me? Meh. Not going to worry about it for now. It's not that, it's his lack of investment. I still think it's scummy, but I don't think it's enough to justify voting him in MyLo because town also often seems uninvested. | ||
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I got totally sidetracked, so this will be a completely different thing. Rsoul is town because she would not be "okay with either bresh or tt" as scum unless one of Trfel or kush is also scum and that is very unlikely. Trfel cannot be scum with anyone but TT because he is moving on to Breshke and noonie for asking for a no-lynch in MyLo with town agreeing on TT. Basically, the number of scumteams I can see without TT is 0. I also feel that TT's reaction is in line with how scum would act in this situation, because (assuming he's with Breshke) the easiest way to not die is to throw suspicion to me or Breshke. A TT-Breshke scumteam lines up because he's avoiding voting Breshke (because if Breshke's scum we're probably moving on to TT the next day) and pushing me, the easiest mislynch. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 16 2016 09:48 Tictock wrote: This is pretty much what I've been thinking as well. If anyone cares... I liked This is a really towny post IMO. Trfel is throwing out an odd townread on someone who is kinda playing like lynchbait (and even backs up the meta-read fairly well in a followup post) while questioning their reads and trying to get further reaction from Bre. Cool, that's like 4 townreads right there. Ezy Game. Here Tictock townreads Trfel for his reads on Palmar/Breshke, and says that Breshke was playing like lynchbait. This could be a point against Breshke but it's probably confirmation bias. + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2016 16:02 Tictock wrote: This is prob the first thing I've seen from Rsoul that I totally agree with. The town!Bre that I know is never on the frontlines directing town and pushing the game forward, he's more the quite thoughtful guy in the corner who catches stuff that gets overlooked. His activity and the fact that he tends to post small snippets rather than huge cases and reads often makes it hard for people to read him. Every post I've seen from Bre this game looks like town!Bre to me. Asking questions with purpose, pointing out stuff that others miss (like the last post of his I quoted), and he's showing efforts at solving the game. This is a really hard townread on Breshke. Also, rsoul townread Breshke in the nested quote. + Show Spoiler + Tictock said one time, under the pretense of a tinfoil... Conclusions: Breshke is town, idk what Palmar was on about. Tumble is probably mafia, read progressions suggest an agenda because his main reads/poe list went out the window when his preferred lynch claimed blue. If Tumble flips red it's much more likely that scott is mafia, but not necessarily true. Trfel's strong TR on Tumble seems off to me, and it's also possible him being so sure Palmar was town was TMI like palmar suggested. Overall I'm still thinking Trfel is town because he seems to genuinely want to solve the game, but a lot of his reads just don't make sense to me. Kush is probably also Scum. Team of Tumble/Scott/Kush actually makes a lot of sense. I'm thinking Tumble is who we start with. He went from townlean to mafia on me, Trfel is town, Breshke is town, kush is scum, scott is scum. + Show Spoiler + On February 19 2016 12:02 Tictock wrote: For the Flowers though... Just gunna vote who I though was scum last night. ##Vote: Tumblewood He voted me on D2, when the only serious wagon was GB. I'm done doing this association read, TL;DR Tictock has been tunneling me since D2, townreading but disagreeing with Trfel all game, townleaning Breshke all game, and townreading rsoul since D2. To you it means more than to me, because he was townleaning/reading all of you and I'm not trying to read myself. Basically, you're all on equal footing in terms of association. | ||
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On February 28 2016 13:12 rsoultin wrote: bueno... :/ i mean i do think bresh is the most likely scum here, but all this auto-lynching stuff gives me the heebie jeebies. tumble, dude, what does that post really mean? i guess the better way to put it is...what do you get out of it, in the sense that what were you expecting to find to indicate a scum mate with TT? Well, you know how sometimes people make association reads based on how a flipped scum acted toward suspects? I thought there would be something that TT did that could give me insight, but then I gave up and quit because I kept finding nothing in TT's filter (that was also 13 pages) to indicate the alignments of Trfel, Breshke, or you. | ||
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