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Trfel
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The only question is, is it important  I kinda think that the "how insightful are his questions" read on Breshke isn't very good after all. But I'm not sure what to use instead. How much does Breshke push things when he's town? How involved is he with the lynch? | ||
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On February 26 2016 14:04 rsoultin wrote: I don't have a case, it's more of a conclusion reached from continued discussion.nh, my problem with tictock is the scattered filter, and it's an overall sense of things rather than anything particular, though i could find examples if you wanted like...i understood your case to be basically that you didn't feel he really pushed hard for the tumble lynch when he was townreading scott? The biggest reason I think he is mafia is because his involvement has fit mafia motivations. When all that's needed is activity, he's here and commenting, but not pushing. When he's needed to push things, he's pushing. When he's not, he's sidelines. All from a mafia perspective, not a town perspective. Most things I've brought up are just small examples of this at different times. | ||
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On February 26 2016 14:10 rsoultin wrote: He largely did go with the flow, though?tch this gets into narrative territory :/ i'm assuming you at least tried to consider it from both sides when you went through his filter? you and i make reads very differently lol >< for instance, i see you commenting on his pushing tumble during the scott lynch and how he didn't really push it and honestly i can see town sticking to his guns there but being demotivated when people basically haven't listened to him for a week? so i'm not really sure how strong that actually is what's the scum motivation for townreading scott there and not really pushing tumble, assuming tumble is town as you say? why not just go with the flow? Scum obviously can't be okay with every lynch. Ideally, the ones that scum isn't okay with are the ones that would die off anyway, or the ones that go through even without their support. The scott lynch was a perfect way for mafia to potentially get a mislynch while not lynching lynchbait. Townreading scott obviously doesn't make Tictock mafia, but it didn't even seem like Tictock cared. In Outlaw, when he was getting lynched, he was mad. Not really driven, but quite annoyed. Here, when scott was being lynched, Tictock felt sad and withdrawn? Like I get that it's not the same situation, but compared to his earlier fire to lynch Tumblewood? It's possible to come from town, but stretching it. Plus, it doesn't matter so much about if it's possible to come from town if it's fitting mafia motivation? Tictock makes sense as mafia, so he's mafia. Town generally doesn't fit mafia motivation so nicely. | ||
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"I agree with the essence of this post that the way EoD went down makes me feel that scott is probably town but thats also because I have a hankering that SL is scum but won't be discussing that until tomorrow" Night 1 Why did sicklucker being scum make you think that scott was town? | ||
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On February 26 2016 14:39 rsoultin wrote: It's not something that can be explained, it's something that needs to be seen with your own eyes the breshke i remember generally tries to look at everything from all angles...that's not to say that he wouldn't have that sort of attitude toward someone who never made sense, though as for the tt thing, the way he's handling today i've already pointed out is exactly what a scum tt has to do here lol >< right down to the opening the door on breshke bit i just don't really see your particular point...i'm assuming it's more an overall thing that i'm missing, though, cause the specific example alone is pretty meh  It's okay, we can't all have talent  Anyway, I don't know about Breshke Some things seem so towny, but others seem so scummy... Feeling lost | ||
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starting at just before midnight, for the record + Show Spoiler + I'll keep note of all of the meaningful things that Breshke does. First, he asked a question to Tictock about why he found sicklucker's opening interesting, which feels very weak, and then he didn't follow up. The response of "ehh okay" feels like he was reluctant to let Tictock slide, but did so anyway? And at this time I don't see anything wrong with Tictock's response, but anyway, the "ehh okay" response feels tonally improper to me. Still though, this is right at the start of the game. The follow-up just doesn't feel like it's there. But his response to Palmar's initial scumread feels towny. I would expect scum to be more careful there. Breshke said he didn't have strong scum feelings but would be willing to lynch sicklucker because he won't be able to read him. This doesn't feel like a good sentiment, and this is very similar to Breshke's play as mafia in his last scum game. I don't see mafia motivation behind Breshke's play towards later Day 1. He felt involved on an End of Day where it was town vs town, and once it was clear that GlowingBear wouldn't be lynched this isn't necessary for mafia. If Breshke is mafia, this play is really impressive. After this, Breshke's activity dropped off significantly. He opened Day 2 by voting for Tumblewood, then when I shared reasons to townread Tumblewood, Breshke expressed doubt over his read but didn't follow up with this very much. I.... really don't understand Breshke's reaction to The Shining's counterclaim vigilante at all. That's just weird. I want to scumread Breshke for it, but it feels so weird that I'm not sure if this is appropriate? Would GlowingBear have discussed the claim plan in the QT or not? If so, this makes Breshke town; if not, this makes Breshke more likely scum. Bleh. But if Breshke didn't discuss it with GlowingBear, would he really take a guess at GlowingBear being the vigilante? This makes no sense to me....... I don't even know. The way that Breshke votes for scott31337 feels very suspicious to me. Breshke said that scott is more likely town due to the voting, then reversed this and voted for Tumblewood, and then voted for scott anyway? It's just that he seemingly voted for scott for the exact same thing he felt was towny earlier? Like, what about the Day 1 voting looked bad for scott? Is this an association read with Tumblewood, his other scumread, being mafia? Then why not vote for Tumblewood? Feels like he's taking the easier path instead of the read progression that actually makes sense. It's also weird because Breshke was being suspicious of scott before leaving, then comes back and posts this: On February 19 2016 22:04 Breshke wrote: Where he discounts all of the reasons he gave to suspect scott, yet votes for him anyway. Huh?wouldn't you say well played to SL even if he was vig'd? ##Vote:Scott I assume if he is town he is busy or some shit and ive been saying i felt how the lynch went down made him seem town but im just really underwhelmed right now Also rsoul is giving me the heebie jeebies but i cant put my finger on why And at this time, it was looking like scott was the counterwagon to GlowingBear (they were about equal), not Tumblewood vs GB. So, why did Breshke vote for scott instead of Tumblewood? hm.... On February 21 2016 01:37 Breshke wrote: But this feels off. Wouldn't expect mafia to behave like this when their partner is being lynched. The lack of presence is a bit surprising.Lynch Scott he doesn't care That's all I have. I feel like I'm not understanding some key things that make this make more sense. Thoughts? | ||
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The town reasoning isn't something I see, the mafia motivation is rather obvious. So yeah, I don't have much to add right now other than I'm distracted and darn tired, but it'll be easier to wait until Breshke answers about this, anyway. | ||
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Best of luck, I'll catch up when I can. Mafia is Tictock and Breshke, and maybe nooniansoong, Tumblewood, and rsoultin | ||
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##vote no lynch I don't like how Breshke has vanished completely, I'm not confident that this is mafia indicative for him. I really wish he could be here to answer questions, I feel that it would help a lot. The only concern is, if we no-lynch and Breshke gets modkilled and he's town, we lose, right? But that's basically the same as if we lynched him, which is the alternative anyway, so I don't think this matters? | ||
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On February 29 2016 15:13 rsoultin wrote: I think it's possible that I'm wrong? I'm really good at being wrong?honestly, truffle, i think you're town lol >< and if bresh gets modkilled and is town then yes...pretty sure that means we lose do you honestly think this will help? like, either bresh will come back and can answer questions or he won't and the game's already decided one way or another...if you think either tumble or myself could be scum, then maybe you should just look into that? I mean, I kinda want to look at things again because regardless of who is mafia, it's a very winnable game. I just feel bad not doing so I get that it drags out the game and is super boring and makes the obs QT really mad if it actually is just Breshke (which I still think is really likely), but we all know it's technically the correct play?Like, I don't need to no-lynch, but I feel really guilty not doing so, if that makes sense? Because then it's very much my fault if we lose. + Show Spoiler + Also, I kind of wonder if Breshke is mafia, how was there a night kill? It didn't seem like Breshke was present at all, so was the kill randomized, or did he submit a kill and not actually post anything (feels out of character)? Or is he actually town? | ||
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But it's also quite possible that this is completely incorrect, and this isn't really a possibility that I've looked into yet | ||
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On March 01 2016 00:31 Tumblewood wrote: This is really bad if Breshke is actually here and votes at the very last second and is mafia. It gives him a free win. Even if it seems like Breshke just isn't here, that would be the worst way to lose.What I gather is that the best way to do this is to lynch someone (rsoul?) and let Breshke get modkilled. From my perspective, that's a 90%ish chance we hit mafia. And I really don't feel that playing for modkills is a good thing to do anyway. | ||
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On March 01 2016 02:37 rsoultin wrote: I'm not so good at reading more experienced players, I think I'm better at reading newer players?well, i mean, i can answer any questions you have, but i'm not scum @.@ and i'm still not sure why you'd ever be more sure of tumble than me this game but whatevs...i guess it's a backhanded complement i don't really think tumble is scum here anyway...like, it's possible, but just not likely and if you're scum i'll eat my hat And you're an enigma anyway. And I don't have time. So that's that XD Breshke, please be scum. | ||
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