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On February 08 2016 01:19 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 01:17 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 01:13 nooniansoong wrote:On February 08 2016 01:06 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 01:03 nooniansoong wrote:
From rels post that makes me townread Koshi. Town is more likely to change their reads without telling anyone.
The progression from I'm okay with lynching Palmer to I'm 100 % against the lynch near lylo looks townie to me. He agrees there is something weird on Palmar, but prefers lynching a guy that he never talked about apart for a post where he townreads him AND is being voted by his super scumread ? There is no sense here. So why would he fake those reads as scum if there is no sense there? I think more likely he has reasons that haven't been communicated to the thread. To save Palmar and get Zyrre lynched instead ... kinda important right ? I guess, but I'd expect scum to be more subtle about it.
There is no logic as to why Koshi voted Zyrre when (1) he townread him in the only post he talked about him (2) YOU (his scum nemesis) voted him and (3) he was kinda agreeing that something was wrong with Palmar.
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On February 08 2016 01:20 disformation wrote:
I think JAT said something about Koshi's vote not being scum indicative.
Meanwhile I wasn't able to find a single read in darthfoley's filter. Like he has a bunch of "I dislike x" and "I like y" but besides being most confident in zyrre being scum he has not a single solid read.
Dunno, while I agree he doesn't have strong reads, his posts shows a very townie mindset IMO. Especially when he explained why he didn't vote Palmar and started to Zyrre wagon by himself. Why he preferred Zyrre to Palmar is very clearly stated, contrary to some other people (Koshi, Chez ...).
There is also the fact that both Damdred and ritoky townread him for his attitude as a newbie. Ritoky in particular, his read was "either Darth has improved a lot as scum or he's town".
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On February 08 2016 01:27 Koshi wrote:
1) I talked way more about Zyyre than that. I commented on him as soon as marv made his case. and a couple times more. Also Zyrre was not going to happen when I left for soccer.
2) I townread him for having 4 pages of filter in the early games and because I thought his posts would be more disconnected if he was mafia (tell= story to his posts, might be a bad tell, but it worked 2/2 in the past). And I didn't want to lynch a strong town player D1 who was afk. I actually was debating to consolidate on Palmar when I left for soccer, but instead I typed "I disagree with this lynch" to make sure it wouldn't be too easy to lynch an afk strong town.
3) I have no problem with any of those posts.
What exactly makes me mafia in those posts Rels? You never say it makes me mafia, you just say you don't understand or it makes no sense.
So tell me. What makes it mafia Koshi?
It's actually how a scum would act.
About your general attitude: tunnel on one particular player (kush) so it's easy to not do stuff; post one-shot stuff on other people (Moosy, Onegu, Damdred) that does not lead anywhere to pretend you're doing stuff. If you're town, you're playing a scum game.
About your Palmar read: you were against his lynch but didn't do much to save him. Darth started the counter wagon, not you. That's how scum generally acts when a teammate is lynched: they don't want to be seen as "the guy that stopped a scum lynch", but they don't awnt to simply lynch their partner either.
About your vote on Zyrre: kush, your big scumrezad, was voting him. It makes no sense that you voted with your main scurmead when you were wary of Palmar. It makes sense as scum though, 'cause you woulldn't care about stuff like that.
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On February 08 2016 01:34 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 01:30 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 01:20 disformation wrote:
I think JAT said something about Koshi's vote not being scum indicative.
Meanwhile I wasn't able to find a single read in darthfoley's filter. Like he has a bunch of "I dislike x" and "I like y" but besides being most confident in zyrre being scum he has not a single solid read. Dunno, while I agree he doesn't have strong reads, his posts shows a very townie mindset IMO. Especially when he explained why he didn't vote Palmar and started to Zyrre wagon by himself. Why he preferred Zyrre to Palmar is very clearly stated, contrary to some other people (Koshi, Chez ...). There is also the fact that both Damdred and ritoky townread him for his attitude as a newbie. Ritoky in particular, his read was "either Darth has improved a lot as scum or he's town". Doesn't help with the fact that I have no clue, where his reads are at. Also: The flower? MD has actual reads and they even make sense? Oo
Does he ? p: I need to check that
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On February 08 2016 01:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 01:35 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 01:27 Koshi wrote:
1) I talked way more about Zyyre than that. I commented on him as soon as marv made his case. and a couple times more. Also Zyrre was not going to happen when I left for soccer.
2) I townread him for having 4 pages of filter in the early games and because I thought his posts would be more disconnected if he was mafia (tell= story to his posts, might be a bad tell, but it worked 2/2 in the past). And I didn't want to lynch a strong town player D1 who was afk. I actually was debating to consolidate on Palmar when I left for soccer, but instead I typed "I disagree with this lynch" to make sure it wouldn't be too easy to lynch an afk strong town.
3) I have no problem with any of those posts.
What exactly makes me mafia in those posts Rels? You never say it makes me mafia, you just say you don't understand or it makes no sense.
So tell me. What makes it mafia Koshi? It's actually how a scum would act. About your general attitude: tunnel on one particular player (kush) so it's easy to not do stuff; post one-shot stuff on other people (Moosy, Onegu, Damdred) that does not lead anywhere to pretend you're doing stuff. If you're town, you're playing a scum game. About your Palmar read: you were against his lynch but didn't do much to save him. Darth started the counter wagon, not you. That's how scum generally acts when a teammate is lynched: they don't want to be seen as "the guy that stopped a scum lynch", but they don't awnt to simply lynch their partner either. About your vote on Zyrre: kush, your big scumrezad, was voting him. It makes no sense that you voted with your main scurmead when you were wary of Palmar. It makes sense as scum though, 'cause you woulldn't care about stuff like that. I had 0 clues that Kush was on Zyrre. The only thing I knew was that JAT said it was a good place to be and that marv voted him. Also. Do you townread Kush?
Yes.
What was your tell of Palmar not being scum ?
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On February 08 2016 01:39 Koshi wrote:
Do you strong townread Kush and why?
Filter size.
Also, he seems to care somewhat, but filter size mainly.
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On February 08 2016 01:41 nooniansoong wrote:
to be fair to koshi I did pad my filter with a bunch of shit.
If it was that easy to shitpost your filter size to a large number as scum you would have done it in at least one scum game.
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On February 08 2016 01:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 01:34 disformation wrote:On February 08 2016 01:30 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 01:20 disformation wrote:
I think JAT said something about Koshi's vote not being scum indicative.
Meanwhile I wasn't able to find a single read in darthfoley's filter. Like he has a bunch of "I dislike x" and "I like y" but besides being most confident in zyrre being scum he has not a single solid read. Dunno, while I agree he doesn't have strong reads, his posts shows a very townie mindset IMO. Especially when he explained why he didn't vote Palmar and started to Zyrre wagon by himself. Why he preferred Zyrre to Palmar is very clearly stated, contrary to some other people (Koshi, Chez ...). There is also the fact that both Damdred and ritoky townread him for his attitude as a newbie. Ritoky in particular, his read was "either Darth has improved a lot as scum or he's town". Doesn't help with the fact that I have no clue, where his reads are at. Also: The flower? MD has actual reads and they even make sense? Oo Does he ? p: I need to check that
He kinda scumreads me so it is not valid. p:
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On February 08 2016 01:50 disformation wrote:
How did damdy get his TR on MD?
He thought there was only 3 scums when there are 4.
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On February 08 2016 01:51 nooniansoong wrote:
[M][T] Witchcraft Mini Mafia Mafia Witch Hunter Endgamed Day 5
14 page filter!
So like 3 pages / phase ? Seems average.
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Darth I don't know, I actually think scum is less likely to be like "ugh who is that dumb vig that shot XXX" if they know it's a scum vig.
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On February 08 2016 02:21 nooniansoong wrote:
Is this a fair assessment of moosey's meta?
he's trying to he's probably mafia.
Yep.
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Koshi what was your tell that Palmar wasn't scum ?
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BF, there is a scum vig role. It was talked about in thread so I have no idea how you could miss it.
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On February 08 2016 03:09 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 02:28 Rels wrote:
Koshi what was your tell that Palmar wasn't scum ? I hope that you are being funny.
No.
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On February 08 2016 03:12 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 03:11 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 03:09 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2016 02:28 Rels wrote:
Koshi what was your tell that Palmar wasn't scum ? I hope that you are being funny. No. Can you pass the torch of scumreading me to somebody with a brain?
Explain ?
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On February 08 2016 03:13 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 03:13 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 03:12 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2016 03:11 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 03:09 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2016 02:28 Rels wrote:
Koshi what was your tell that Palmar wasn't scum ? I hope that you are being funny. No. Can you pass the torch of scumreading me to somebody with a brain? Explain ? Literally explained it 3 times by now.
Quotes then!
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On February 08 2016 03:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 03:14 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 03:13 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2016 03:13 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 03:12 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2016 03:11 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 03:09 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2016 02:28 Rels wrote:
Koshi what was your tell that Palmar wasn't scum ? I hope that you are being funny. No. Can you pass the torch of scumreading me to somebody with a brain? Explain ? Literally explained it 3 times by now. Quotes then! I'll pass.
On February 05 2016 19:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 19:23 justanothertownie wrote:
Why did you think he was obvious town? Just the absence or the scumtell or...? Activity + how he played. As mafia he tends to pop in and not have a real story behind his game. But there is constant not really activity but activity. As town he is either completely useless but the story fits, or afk.
I don't understand how that read applies to the game. Palmar didn't haev a "story" this game, and he wasn't noticably AFK when you posted that.
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On February 08 2016 04:11 NocturneMage wrote:This next post is mainly for Rels and disformation regarding Moosy Doosy - Day 1 - read pages 39 through 41Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 14:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
(1) You leap into game using convoluted af reasoning to explain shizz which is NM style of play. But tone read seems genuine which means ur trying to solve game. So town.
(2) At this point, there is a small group of people I don't try to read due to heavy bias. One of them is Damdred. Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 14:22 NocturneMage wrote:On February 05 2016 14:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
(1) You leap into game using convoluted af reasoning to explain shizz which is NM style of play. But tone read seems genuine which means ur trying to solve game. So town.
(2) At this point, there is a small group of people I don't try to read due to heavy bias. One of them is Damdred. Seeing as ritoky picked disformation and Rels as townreads, I'm going to ask you this next question. Both disformation and Rels have both scumread me at points for not being able to follow my train of thought. What does this make you think of them?
Night 1/Day 2Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 02:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
There were some things about ritoky that ticked in my mind. I think it was concerning disfo.
mMmmm....I'm also conflicted on Rels which is never ever a good thing. Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Rels - I have a soul read situation with him that he knows as well. Every time in the past that I've been wary of him he's turned out to be Mafia. Every time I town read him immediately, he has been town. It has to do with how he sets himself up in the game. His opening made me wary. But I do agree with a lot of what he's been saying which is shit for me because logic > feelings from my experience in Mafia. Rels, I'm going to keep off of you for now, but that's on the basis you keep shitting townie rainbows.
ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 03:02 NocturneMage wrote:On February 07 2016 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Rels - I have a soul read situation with him that he knows as well. Every time in the past that I've been wary of him he's turned out to be Mafia. Every time I town read him immediately, he has been town. It has to do with how he sets himself up in the game. His opening made me wary. But I do agree with a lot of what he's been saying which is shit for me because logic > feelings from my experience in Mafia. Rels, I'm going to keep off of you for now, but that's on the basis you keep shitting townie rainbows.
ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. Well here's the thing, for me for Rels - a key scum tell is him taking words/quotes/etc out of context. When he was pushing me day 1, he didn't see me logically and in most of my games I am able to get my arguments out in a logical manner. Here he didn't understand my early push on VA, quite frankly, no one did, and I saw his interactions with other people, and I didn't see any of those scum tells that makes me wary. Town Rels has a cleaner game IMO from what I see. as for the ritoky/disformation I cannot see how what you are saying makes EITHER of those two mafia. Disformation makes a shit case because (a) he cannot articulate himself well (b) he's confirmation biasing (which JAT basically confirmed near end of cycle) (c) he's mafia. Point is, disformation is not entirely scummy, and neither is ritoky for pushing in in that direction. And regardless of whom is implicated, me, Palmar, etc, I can't see how that winds back up at ritoky. Like this really isn't clear to me. At best you have pre-flip read here. Can either of you - or anyone else if you wish - comment on these reads by MoosyDoosy here? Something feels off but I can't put my finger on it. His criteria for reading me is completely wrong, whether it's contrived is 50/50. I've only played with him twice. The thing with my questioning on day 1 if you read through page 42 I think is he eventually bailed when I talked to him as to why he was scumreading ritoky. It felt weird and "it's Day 1" doesn't cut it. Just answer the question and then leave. Rels especially his read on you, and especially how you scumread me for not being logical day 1 versus him townreading me day 1 for being convoluted. It's just weird. Also I told him there's no way his read circles back to ritoky as mafia. Also his following Day 2 was telling me to spit out fire - I'm assuming reads - but looking through his filter I think if anyone needs to spit out reads, I think it's him, quite frankly. He has marv/DF as town d1 and concerns with Rels. That's it.
His read on me is 100% consistent with what he's said in previous games.
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