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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 05 2016 23:18 GMT
#1419
On February 06 2016 08:16 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 08:15 Rels wrote:
On February 06 2016 08:14 nooniansoong wrote:
On February 06 2016 07:59 Palmar wrote:
i thought i was safe, sorry

gg


this post seems town though, right? he thought he was dead.

No.


why not? otherwise why would he say sorry

'cause in case he survives it's town indicative. In case he dies it's no info. There is 0 AI stuff in that post alone.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 06 2016 12:07 GMT
#1466
boxerfred any update on your Palmar read after his last posts ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 06 2016 12:27 GMT
#1474
On February 06 2016 21:15 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 21:07 Rels wrote:
boxerfred any update on your Palmar read after his last posts ?

No. Why would "I'm not mafia" affect my read in any way? I don't care too much tbh though I'm still pissed. I'm going to vote for MD day 2 and be useless, joining chez/MD/kush in that matter.

Dunno, it's your read not mine. It changed my read on him from "scum" to "100% scum". So you still townread him. Why do you want to vig shoot a super valuable town if you townread him ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 06 2016 12:29 GMT
#1475
I was talking about the deadline last second posts, not the "Im not mafia" posts BTW.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 06 2016 12:34 GMT
#1476
On February 06 2016 21:21 disformation wrote:
Sry, my play is pretty disgusting this game, even for my standards.

It's quite easy though. If Palmar is scum, every person on the Palmar train + marv + JAT are very likely town. I have big reservations on ritoky, but his vote is a big town indicator if Palmar is scum.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 06 2016 12:35 GMT
#1477
So you trying to see what reasons each person had to vote Zyrre is a super good idea. It is only useful is Palmar flips scum, but it's very very likely.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 01:15 GMT
#1651
Weird kills. Shame Palmar didn't die. :X I'm 99% gonna vote him but I want to reread the game before. I'll do that tomorrow, going to sleep now!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 15:12 GMT
#1670
I read Palmar's filter. He is the lynch today whatever happens. In addition of the "marv read" (him being active but with no direction the first 24 hours), the biggest thing is how he was AFK the whole Friday, and he never explained it. A townie would never do that; if he knew he needed to AFK 24 hours he would say it (especially since the pressure was on him before he disappeared), if it was unexpected he would have said a word in thread. This attitude is extremely scum indicative. This is what I and Superbia did during PyP; super active early, then having a much harder time to post all the time later.
I'm not saying he didn't have something to do BTW, maybe he did; I'm saying his attitude regarding how he AFK was scum.

On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.

This might indicate BF as town. It's early in the game, nobody is quite under suspicions yet, Palmar knows he's good at creating wagons, I don't think he would create suspicions on his teammate ? Plus I think he is known for not bussing, even if this can be broken for one particular game of course.

Later he rescinded this read so I'm not sure it is very AI actually.

On February 04 2016 22:51 Palmar wrote:
I would feel a lot better about you defending me koshi if you actually explained what the tell is. I don't really care if you want to use it in the future.

Koshi explain your tell please.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 15:13 GMT
#1671
##Vote Palmar
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 15:27 GMT
#1673
Yo bro who is scum ? I'm reading Koshi's filter and I'm not impressed.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 15:35 GMT
#1675
On February 08 2016 00:32 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 00:12 Rels wrote:
I read Palmar's filter. He is the lynch today whatever happens. In addition of the "marv read" (him being active but with no direction the first 24 hours), the biggest thing is how he was AFK the whole Friday, and he never explained it. A townie would never do that; if he knew he needed to AFK 24 hours he would say it (especially since the pressure was on him before he disappeared), if it was unexpected he would have said a word in thread. This attitude is extremely scum indicative. This is what I and Superbia did during PyP; super active early, then having a much harder time to post all the time later.
I'm not saying he didn't have something to do BTW, maybe he did; I'm saying his attitude regarding how he AFK was scum.

On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.

This might indicate BF as town. It's early in the game, nobody is quite under suspicions yet, Palmar knows he's good at creating wagons, I don't think he would create suspicions on his teammate ? Plus I think he is known for not bussing, even if this can be broken for one particular game of course.

Later he rescinded this read so I'm not sure it is very AI actually.

On February 04 2016 22:51 Palmar wrote:
I would feel a lot better about you defending me koshi if you actually explained what the tell is. I don't really care if you want to use it in the future.

Koshi explain your tell please.

Rels this does not indicate me being town. in this post:

Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.

Palmar refers to ritoky not me.

Yep that's what I said. My point is: Palmar said you might be scum at a time when noone was really suspected => you're not scum with him. Maybe ? It doesn't feel super strong actually.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 15:54 GMT
#1680
This post got way bigger than I though, I'm trying my best to organize it.

I don't like Koshi at all, he might very well be scum. Here is why:

1
D1 the only real thing he did was pushing kush + opposing Palmar's lynch. That's it. No read on anyone else, especially Zyrre. Like, I think this is the only post about Zyrre in his filter:
On February 05 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 08:05 Damdred wrote:
That zyrre post is so bad for so many reasons

It actually isn't. I can see him believe that. I can believe it.

Then:
On February 06 2016 02:58 Koshi wrote:
Kush comming in and giving a townread on Palmar and rescind a townread on Zyrre is not doing things.

Well, he ended up voting Zurre with kush.


2
I don't like that he townreads Palmar early using a "secret tell" Palmar apparently only does when he's scum. Where is the fucking tell now ?
Then, he scumreads Palmar more and more as votes piles up on him, and votes him, but is still against his lynch. In particular, the last post is super weird in the progression:
On February 04 2016 20:51 Koshi wrote:
Ugh... Palmar is almost certainly not mafia here. I have a pretty good tell for him when he is mafia. It's not this.

On February 04 2016 22:31 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 22:28 Rels wrote:
On February 04 2016 22:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 04 2016 22:12 disformation wrote:
On February 04 2016 20:20 Palmar wrote:
This game is going to be painful because I'm going to obsess about finding the "superbia" mafia and never give anyone a townread ever.

I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to

I like this post. Paranoia is a good town trait to have imo.

In general yes. But not to a point where you don't trust anybody at all because that's not how you win as town. And Palmar who is probably the most experienced player in this game perfectly knows it.
This wasn't the first time he townread a mafia, in fact he always says "there is always that one mafia who slips into my townreads" so this should not be shocking to him.

That's true. Palmar, you spent all game lynching scum last game until you died AND you did say that a scum would always slip in your townreads. I have no idea why you feel like "This game is going to be painful"; it doesn't make sense after your amazing reads last game.

This I can agree with. Would expect Palmar to be even more cocky tbh.

On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law

VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush.
This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash.


How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum?

And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction?

The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this.

I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this.

If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous.

But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally.

On February 06 2016 03:48 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
VE has been lynched 26 times, Vivax and Palmar have been lynched 24 times.

This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town.

On February 06 2016 04:06 Koshi wrote:
I got indoor soccer at 2100. But it will take a while after I played and I might only be around on phone depending on what we will do.

I am not against a Palmar lynch in theory. But I strongly suggest not lynching him.

On February 06 2016 04:12 Koshi wrote:
Fuck I need to go........ I disagree with this lynch 100%

There is all this progression from "100% town" to "if he's town it's a bad lynch" to "I'm not really against Palmar's lynch but I think we should wait" to finally ... "I disagree with the lynch 100%". IT MAKES NO SENSE, especially 6 minutes after saying "I am not against a Palmar lynch in theory".


3
Finally, I dislike all the random questions / opinions that is in his filter, and that doesn't serve any purpose / does not lead to anything. Examples:
On February 05 2016 02:14 Koshi wrote:
Also darthfoley might be buddying me because that defense was actually really bad.

On February 05 2016 02:54 Koshi wrote:
I actually don't think JAT is mafia this game. I feel dirty.

On February 05 2016 02:57 Koshi wrote:
ritoky is Damdred mafia?

On February 05 2016 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Damdred his posts have been really bad. Holy mozes.

On February 05 2016 20:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 20:02 Rels wrote:
On February 05 2016 19:57 marvellosity wrote:
On February 05 2016 14:53 ritoky wrote:
On February 05 2016 14:50 Damdred wrote:
Surprised you and nm didn't catch it playing the game.

moosey scum team is va, oneg and koshi.

Ehats wrong with that team


if you're talking about how he dumbtelled 3 mafia @ the end instead of 4 in a 17 person game, that's kinda meh in terms of dumb tells.

i saw Rels mention it on the last page, and I thought the same as this post here - it's kinda meh in terms of dumbtells.

But maybe the way it happens makes it more believable/genuine. Don't really know what to think exactly

It's part meta too. I can very clearly see this coming from Moosy. In one game I've played with him, he was town!roleblocker but didn't know he could stop scum KP because he didn't read the OP. In addition, Moosy is super serious as scum; he could replicate his "silly" town meta pretty easily, but I don't think he would think of this dumbtell.
It doesn't even feel like a forced dumbtell: he played a game until there were only 3 names left. It could have go unnoticed very easily. I didn't notice it.

Do you have a scumgame of his? I only remember 1 town game. It was horrid.

On February 06 2016 04:07 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 04:05 boxerfred wrote:
also i reviewed that va/nm thing and I come to the conclusion that my original thought (one of them being mafia) is bullshit. there's no indicator for that and I obviously followed disformation who had this thought first. funny enough, he had it from ritoky who's originally a scumread of mine so wow I should read more details.

This post looks bad. But w.e

Where is the follow up ? Especially in Moosy's and BF's case, where he shows he has suspicions but don't talk about them anymore.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 15:55 GMT
#1681
On February 08 2016 00:43 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 00:35 Rels wrote:
On February 08 2016 00:32 boxerfred wrote:
Palmar refers to ritoky not me.

Yep that's what I said. My point is: Palmar said you might be scum at a time when noone was really suspected => you're not scum with him. Maybe ? It doesn't feel super strong actually.


I don't understand that.

Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.


This is what Palmar says. Instead of "bf", he wanted to say "ritoky". So no, he doesn't say I'm scummy, he says RITOKY is scummy. Am I dumb for not seeing what you mean?

He really said you were scummy. The sentence should read:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point ritoky made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
You have to replace the "he", not the "bf".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 16:04 GMT
#1684
On February 04 2016 18:20 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 18:16 Rels wrote:
On February 04 2016 09:05 ritoky wrote:
On February 04 2016 09:00 disformation wrote:
On February 04 2016 08:52 Damdred wrote:
Blah so much ninja already rip my life

Does that mean your question is already answered?

On February 04 2016 08:55 ritoky wrote:
On February 04 2016 08:50 disformation wrote:
On February 04 2016 08:48 ritoky wrote:
On February 04 2016 08:45 disformation wrote:
On February 04 2016 08:42 ritoky wrote:
well this game is going nowhere in a hurry.

On February 04 2016 08:15 disformation wrote:
[quote]
It is basically my code for marking my first post that is not pre game.

[quote]
hi, let me throw the weakest/easiest TR ever at you.


why?

Was kinda waiting for that question to pop up.
Well once upon the time damdy told me that he really does not like to be VT. Him opening up like this reminded me of that. Could be easily faked so I call it a super weak/easy TR. You gotta start somewhere.


if you were anticipating the question, then why didn't you just say the reason from the start instead of waiting to be prompted?

Dunno. Have observed a lot of ppl just throwing out reads, without really bothering to explain them. Wanted to try that style this game a bit. Also more opportunities for interactions like this.


so what's my alignment?

Hm. Would say your approach/questioning of me is an effort to genuinely trying to figure out my alignment and therefore town. Reminds me a bit of NSM 9.


right conclusion, meh reason = meh

This post is weird. Like, ritoky finds disfo's reasonning weird (maybe scum indicative too), but the first thing he states is "right conclusion", as if he wanted to subtily insist of the fact that he's town.


bitch please, i ain't dat subtle.

RIP coach
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 16:06 GMT
#1685
On February 08 2016 01:03 nooniansoong wrote:
From rels post that makes me townread Koshi. Town is more likely to change their reads without telling anyone.
The progression from I'm okay with lynching Palmer to I'm 100 % against the lynch near lylo looks townie to me.

He agrees there is something weird on Palmar, but prefers lynching a guy that he never talked about apart for a post where he townreads him AND is being voted by his super scumread ? There is no sense here.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 16:12 GMT
#1686
Both ritoky and Damdred townreads Darth for the same reason. The guy is very likely town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 16:13 GMT
#1687
Both ritoky and Damdred townread kush too.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 16:16 GMT
#1691
Man if Palmar is really scum this game is looking to be solved.
All Palmar voters are likely town, along with marv darth and kush. So that only leaves 5 people: Onegu Chez BF Moosy Koshi. And I think Moosy is town, for a kinda dumb reason but I think it's pretty good.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 16:17 GMT
#1692
On February 08 2016 01:13 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 01:06 Rels wrote:
On February 08 2016 01:03 nooniansoong wrote:
From rels post that makes me townread Koshi. Town is more likely to change their reads without telling anyone.
The progression from I'm okay with lynching Palmer to I'm 100 % against the lynch near lylo looks townie to me.

He agrees there is something weird on Palmar, but prefers lynching a guy that he never talked about apart for a post where he townreads him AND is being voted by his super scumread ? There is no sense here.

So why would he fake those reads as scum if there is no sense there?
I think more likely he has reasons that haven't been communicated to the thread.

To save Palmar and get Zyrre lynched instead ... kinda important right ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 16:19 GMT
#1693
On February 08 2016 01:14 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 01:13 Rels wrote:
Both ritoky and Damdred townread kush too.


Lol rels you are going way too deep with this vca. To me it looks like scum killed strong town players who weren't likely to be protected.

Not saying them being killed proves you are town because you wouldn't have killed them; what I'm thinking is that both of them being (1) confirmed town (2) strong town and (3) townreading you is a strong indicator of you being town.
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