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OK NM this is your reasonning as to why VA is scummy. Help me understand 'cause I think it's super shitty at best and very scummy at worst.
On February 05 2016 01:08 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 01:01 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 00:48 NocturneMage wrote:On February 05 2016 00:25 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 00:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
you are really nitpicking rels, it is highly unlikely JAT is scum here.
can whoever is here look at nocturnemage? I cant believe he never posted again zZ Yep I said the same like 5 posts ago. That won't stop me from calling out illogical things I see. I'm waiting for NM to answer something that didn't make sense from his PoV unless I'm missing something. VA's first post when I first read it jumped out as a lame excuse to me for calling someone mafia that didn't make someone necessarily mafia. There's nothing wrong to me making town reads (or forming a "town circle" as others might put it) or trying to do so and then proceeding from there. Especially that early in the game there's not a whole lot to go off of where you can have a reliable scum read. That's why I felt that entry was forced. You don't think that anymore ? Read the exchange I had with him about cherry picking. The first post jumped out at me for scummy reasons. When I read the Damdred/VA exchange in full he looked worse IMO. He claimed a reaction test but didn't make a conclusion in the exchange itself - it took my intervention before he said "btw he's town" (paraphrasing).
This is point 1 - VA made a bad post that he covered up with a "reaction test"; you can tell it was not a reaction test because he didn't state the result of the test before you pressured him.
Can you explain to me how the following post doesn't imply that VA has a townread on Damdred ?
On February 04 2016 10:26 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 10:22 Damdred wrote:On February 04 2016 10:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
also damdred why did you say you were only gonna talk about scumreads before game and you already have a spammy filter informing us of town reads and asking others to do work I am not being spammy at the least and have only answered questions directed at me. Vut how am I asking others to do work for me specifically? I know I was kidding, I just wanted to see if you reacted defensively. But anyways I'm starting to spam too now. guess ill wait for stuff to happen
On February 05 2016 01:08 NocturneMage wrote:
The whole thing just struck me as odd from a town side of things especially when (ignoring meta) being defensive for most people is generally a scummy trait.
This is point 2 - VA uses Damdred's defensiveness to townread him, when defensiveness usually comes from scum => VA read makes no sense.
This is fucking bullshit and I want to kill you just for writing that. This is so wrong I have a hard time explaining it.
- VA doesn't use a "general scumtell", he uses a "meta scumtell", so this point DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING ... unless you disagree with the meta read
- defensiveness => scum is not even true
I seriously doubt you can explain to me how you could ever think that.
On February 05 2016 01:08 NocturneMage wrote:
And current page, I also can't understand the rationale he's discussing when there is a strongman shot that can be used anytime, but that's a separate point.
3. VA is trying to get blues to out without mentionning the strongman so he can snipe blues.
I can understand this. But since he's said that was precisely his attention: making scum use the strongarm on named VT so other blues can be safer. Now do you believe it ? What do you think of his statement ? Was it a scum motivated plan ?
On February 05 2016 02:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
I actually suggested the named VT thing with regards to the strongman shot, seems like good bait to have that killed rather then actually good role
and i thought i played 2 normals since I came back but I guess I only played unoriginal mafia by artanis marv.
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On February 05 2016 06:17 disformation wrote:
Also HtS got back to my PM: the strong arm thing appears to be a role and scum does not have a free strong arm shot for their faction.
Seriously ? The OP is very badly written then. Like every role is like "he can frame", "he can assassinate", but the strongarm is "the scumteam can uses the strongarm shot".
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On February 05 2016 06:27 disformation wrote:
Yeah, nevermind. It is factional not a role.
OK. Guess you are town then. (=
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On February 05 2016 06:55 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 02:25 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 02:08 nooniansoong wrote:On February 04 2016 22:59 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 22:50 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 22:45 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 19:35 nooniansoong wrote:On February 04 2016 19:31 Koshi wrote:
##vote Kush
Best lynch by far. I'm not a bad lynch Could scum post that ? It's soooooooo scummy that I'm kinda thinking it's town indicative. Like, kush does nothing for 10 hours; comes back with this post; then GTFO. Scum are generally trying to be more careful with their posts. Kush plays bold as mafia. This post makes him more likely mafia. not sure it makes him more likely mafia, but i definitely don't think it's townpoints either agree. my shitty attitude this game has nothing to do with my alignment. Anyway I don't think I play bold as scum. In my last scumgame I opened with a shitcase on vayne or something. Usually I'll give some effort to look townie day 1 before I completely stop giving a fuck by day 2. Here is a quote from you from Outlaw mafia: On January 13 2016 02:38 nooniansoong wrote:
The benefit is people make arguments like you're making and base your scumread on it.
Shit players like me and onegu do that as scum sometimes. Just do something that makes no sense. Its a lot easier than making content that looks townie. Explain ? I will usually start off playing a more standard scum game, then I'll try to do some bold stuff to make up for my lack of actvity. So d1 = standard. d2+ = bold. But this game is under special circumstances, so I'm not arguing that you should be townreading me. Because I could easily do this as scum. IN fact if I were scum this game, I'd probably be playing exactly how I'm playing now. Nevertheless, I'll defend myself. 1 There are probably people who have put less effort than even me into this game. You might want to lynch them instead of me. 2 There is a slight possibility that d2 or 3 I will start to care. The caveat to this is that I will still be pretty useless because I'll have no idea what's going on.
Sounds like bullshit. In game 1 you say you play bodly as scum, in game 2 you say you don't, and now instead of saying "I was wrong / saying another thing / whatever in game X", you say "Well I WAS RIGHT IN BOTH; you just have to mix the statements like that!"
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On February 05 2016 03:07 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 02:12 Koshi wrote:On February 05 2016 02:08 nooniansoong wrote:On February 04 2016 22:59 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 22:50 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 22:45 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 19:35 nooniansoong wrote:On February 04 2016 19:31 Koshi wrote:
##vote Kush
Best lynch by far. I'm not a bad lynch Could scum post that ? It's soooooooo scummy that I'm kinda thinking it's town indicative. Like, kush does nothing for 10 hours; comes back with this post; then GTFO. Scum are generally trying to be more careful with their posts. Kush plays bold as mafia. This post makes him more likely mafia. not sure it makes him more likely mafia, but i definitely don't think it's townpoints either agree. my shitty attitude this game has nothing to do with my alignment. Anyway I don't think I play bold as scum. In my last scumgame I opened with a shitcase on vayne or something. Usually I'll give some effort to look townie day 1 before I completely stop giving a fuck by day 2. Pretty sure this is a lie. You also claimed in the thread you didn't know mafia could frame themselves as mafia framer, while arguing mafia probably framed town, while town had a redcheck on a townie. + Not doing anything is your scum meta while you multiple times said in previous games that you enjoy playing town and that you cba to ever play mafia. And now you are not enjoying the game and you don't want to play till D3. = You are mafia. i think it's safer to wait for d2 to see if I care. Beacuse on d1, I can care as mafia or not care as town. That's just a tip, not a plea to not lynch me today. I really wouldn't mind getting lynched. LOL koshi remember I told you I would have framed whatshisname and you were like "no u wouldn't" but I was mafia and i did. that was classic. Right now I'm not in a mindstate to enjoy this game as town or mafia. I was thinking about outing but it was too late. I was thinking about replacing, but I don't have a good excuse. I'd just afk but I don't want to do sitouts. And it amuses me mildly to troll you guys.
This is also bullshit. You joined the game 11 hours before it started.
I think you are scum playing the "I don't care about this game" card.
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On February 05 2016 06:50 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 06:46 Onegu wrote:On February 05 2016 05:57 Rels wrote:
yo Chez, Onegu. I will push for your lynch if you're still useless at deadline.
BUT RELS THIS IS UNFAIR ??? LOOK AT THAT GUY OVER THERE BEING USELESS TOO
Shut up. This also applies to other useless people (Kush, Moosy, Zyrre). Happy ? Hey rels keep trying to policy lynch me I hear it works wonders. it's not a terrible idea, you have a knack for rolling scum
That's it ? What are you doing Palmar. You're very underwhelming.
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On February 05 2016 07:18 Palmar wrote:
I was memorizing about how awesome I am writing that huge post in the other thread.
Amaze me.
You have 12 hours to do it. I wanna be amazed when I wake up.
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On February 05 2016 08:02 Zyrre wrote:
Went to bed shortly after the start, long day at work, and now back after reading the thread. I'm off work tomorrow so will try to post more before the lynch.
Some reads:
ritoky
leaning scum from bf's reasoning and his defense.
Just saying that posts are bad doesn't seem very productive, and saying he will lynch him quite early no matter if he is town or mafia. Says he wants to teach people by being "informed otherwise or punished for them". So due to his own reasoning he can just inform them and move on, but in this case he wanted to stop reading his posts and lynch him.
Claimed bf was doing nothing else than tunneling him, see below what bf was doing otherwise.
boxerfred
leaning town
Posted his read list of 6 people other than ritoky
Asking koshi to post scumreads rather then townreads
Calls out JAT for doing what he himself was arguing against(saying who was calling who scum, instead of the reasoning behind it)
damdred
slight scumlean
Some activity but only asking what others think and this "I'm awake and caught up I'll post more after coffee but jat pretty sexy today I must admit, bf oozing that town ness." with no real followup
noonian
biggest scum read right now, at the moment would probably vote for him
Saying he will not care about this game even if he lives
Says if he was scum he would be playing like he is doing right now
"There are probably people who have put less effort than even me into this game. You might want to lynch them instead of me. " -- literally zero reads posted
Scum.
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On February 05 2016 14:53 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 14:50 Damdred wrote:
Surprised you and nm didn't catch it playing the game.
moosey scum team is va, oneg and koshi.
Ehats wrong with that team if you're talking about how he dumbtelled 3 mafia @ the end instead of 4 in a 17 person game, that's kinda meh in terms of dumb tells.
No this is actually genius. Moosy is very likely town.
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I think I agreed with everything Damdred said this game. The only thing in which we disagree that comes to mind is the darth stuff, and I don't want to lynch darth anymore. Damdred is very likely town.
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On February 05 2016 16:14 NocturneMage wrote:
Alright, I'm crashing. Lynch list excluding policy reads as of now: Koshi/VA/Palmar/Zyrre, the latter being more of a compromise with a possible adjustment for expectations (see my post).
I liked all your posts since I went to sleep. Not lynching you today for sure. (=
I don't want to lynch Koshi, I don't think what you've said in your case make him scum; it's basically "we can't see his read progression". I don't know if Koshi is town, but I don't think this makes him scum.
VA might be scum actually. There is a good point in your case: VA going:
1 => "Should named VT claim and we all sheep him ?"
2 => "I'm doing this so I can have a way out of playing D1 by sheeping"
3 => "Actually that was a test to bait the strongman on named VT"
Seems weird.
Palmar and Zyrre are definitely lynch worthy.
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On February 05 2016 19:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 14:53 ritoky wrote:On February 05 2016 14:50 Damdred wrote:
Surprised you and nm didn't catch it playing the game.
moosey scum team is va, oneg and koshi.
Ehats wrong with that team if you're talking about how he dumbtelled 3 mafia @ the end instead of 4 in a 17 person game, that's kinda meh in terms of dumb tells. i saw Rels mention it on the last page, and I thought the same as this post here - it's kinda meh in terms of dumbtells. But maybe the way it happens makes it more believable/genuine. Don't really know what to think exactly
It's part meta too. I can very clearly see this coming from Moosy. In one game I've played with him, he was town!roleblocker but didn't know he could stop scum KP because he didn't read the OP. In addition, Moosy is super serious as scum; he could replicate his "silly" town meta pretty easily, but I don't think he would think of this dumbtell.
It doesn't even feel like a forced dumbtell: he played a game until there were only 3 names left. It could have go unnoticed very easily. I didn't notice it.
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On February 05 2016 20:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 18:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Ah, misunderstood your post Koshi. Carry on.
Would have to check the meta part of NMs Palmar case but regardless I still agree with the conclusion. Maybe we should just try to lynch that lazy jackass today. Very tempting. ##unvote
##Vote Palmar*holds out hand*
Hehehehe this is very tempting. =D
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On February 05 2016 20:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 19:53 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 16:14 NocturneMage wrote:
Alright, I'm crashing. Lynch list excluding policy reads as of now: Koshi/VA/Palmar/Zyrre, the latter being more of a compromise with a possible adjustment for expectations (see my post).
I liked all your posts since I went to sleep. Not lynching you today for sure. (= I don't want to lynch Koshi, I don't think what you've said in your case make him scum; it's basically "we can't see his read progression". I don't know if Koshi is town, but I don't think this makes him scum. VA might be scum actually. There is a good point in your case: VA going: 1 => "Should named VT claim and we all sheep him ?" 2 => "I'm doing this so I can have a way out of playing D1 by sheeping" 3 => "Actually that was a test to bait the strongman on named VT" Seems weird. Palmar and Zyrre are definitely lynch worthy. You are aware that he stole that point from marv?
OK. p:
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Although I think marv only pointed out 1 and 3, not 2. I think progression from 1 => 3 is believable; 1 => 2 => 3 is him changing his story, which is pretty weird.
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Gotta go in 5 minutes, then I'll be gone until tonight (like 5 hours before deadline).
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OK I'm gone. Lynch list (not ordererd) is:
Palmar
Zyrre
Kush
Onegu
Chezinu
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On February 05 2016 20:31 marvellosity wrote:So I think this post: Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 20:14 Zyrre wrote:Reading through filters this morning trying to make some sense of the DeusX->reps->Umasi/alakaslam exchanges. reps: On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote:Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else. This post seems to be very town at first to me, however, following this post is 2.5h of posts where suspicion is aimed at DeusX instead. Then reps decides anyway to post this: On July 31 2013 14:48 reps)squishy wrote:
My response to skeptics.
He said he is a newbie multiple times!
Pff, oops I said I was a newbie to many times that does not decide what role I am.
He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that.
scroll up there is another post that I almost edited. Almost looks exactly the same scrubby mistake.
My mistakes have made me look pretty scummy. But assure me saying I was new was me being truthful. Me claiming I was a noob should not decide if I am scum or not. If he was going to point by point defend himself, why not do it right away? Seems overly defensivve too me since people did not jump on the wagon with DeusX and instead was questioning him at the time. Later, he posts this: On July 31 2013 15:00 reps)squishy wrote:On July 31 2013 14:58 Alakaslam wrote:On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote:Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else. Pfft. 'Scuse me, yeah there is. Coming I am Hapless Peon (Vanilla Townie) what you claimed to be To me it seems Alakaslam was saying that there was evidence DeusX was scummy. Even if he misread this as there being evidence that he(reps) was scummy, why would he as a proclaimed newbie claim his role when there was even talk about how very situational it was in the pregame? All this together seems very scummy to me, confused to bad townie at best. DeusX: His aggresion so early might seem scummy, but I think his strategy if he was scum is terrible. Yes as pointed out you can be vocal scum, but not in the way he is doing it. You would need to be much more neutral but still post a lot. Going all out and be the first guy to accuse someone first day, when chances are we will accidentaly lynch a town anyway, just why? No reason at all to do this. The only reason to start a new lynch would be if a mafia was already targeted which wasnt the case. In conclusion: he might be over-aggresive and his arguments may be weak, but not a mafia read from me so far. Umasi/alakasam: A bit hard to make sense of some of their chatter. However, just on the point they are also starting their own lynch and generally being friendly like that in the thread would make me lean town on them. I dont see why mafia would make such a strong connection between themselves for no reason (if one of them turns out mafia the other would be instantly lynched at next opportunity). Conclusion: Pretty much neutral atm for me. is much, much, much, much better than this post: Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 08:02 Zyrre wrote:
Went to bed shortly after the start, long day at work, and now back after reading the thread. I'm off work tomorrow so will try to post more before the lynch.
Some reads:
ritoky
leaning scum from bf's reasoning and his defense.
Just saying that posts are bad doesn't seem very productive, and saying he will lynch him quite early no matter if he is town or mafia. Says he wants to teach people by being "informed otherwise or punished for them". So due to his own reasoning he can just inform them and move on, but in this case he wanted to stop reading his posts and lynch him.
Claimed bf was doing nothing else than tunneling him, see below what bf was doing otherwise.
boxerfred
leaning town
Posted his read list of 6 people other than ritoky
Asking koshi to post scumreads rather then townreads
Calls out JAT for doing what he himself was arguing against(saying who was calling who scum, instead of the reasoning behind it)
damdred
slight scumlean
Some activity but only asking what others think and this "I'm awake and caught up I'll post more after coffee but jat pretty sexy today I must admit, bf oozing that town ness." with no real followup
noonian
biggest scum read right now, at the moment would probably vote for him
Saying he will not care about this game even if he lives
Says if he was scum he would be playing like he is doing right now
"There are probably people who have put less effort than even me into this game. You might want to lynch them instead of me. " -- literally zero reads posted
Look at the train of thought in the first post, look at him trying to work out something that happened in the game, and then the followable train of thought when he's talking about other players
This post is really good. marv is almost conf town in my mind.
I read the first few posts of zyrre in the other game and the difference is day and night. The only thing is that the game is 2 and a half years old so it's not fresh meta, but it shows that Zyrre is capable of subtle reads. His garbage list post is even more garbage when we compare it to what he is capable of.
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On February 05 2016 21:31 nooniansoong wrote:
If I were trying to lynch scum, I'd vote zyrre.
But I'm sticking to my guns and pvoting.
Then why did you post this post:
On February 05 2016 20:54 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 20:13 Rels wrote:
OK I'm gone. Lynch list (not ordererd) is:
Palmar
Zyrre
Kush
Onegu
Chezinu Lots of lynchbait on your list.
You want to lynch the same people I do except you (duh) and Palmar (not a lynchbait). What is your thought process here ? "This guy wants to lytnch the same people than me but I will make a negative post about his lynch list". Explain ?
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