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On February 05 2016 00:33 Damdred wrote:
I think my answer is implied later on, but yes I haven't revealed my ritoky read and I am trying not to shit up the thread with long town lists currently.
Now rels, your Darth read stems from coming in not doing things leaving coming back when mentioned and doing things. Why is that super indicative of him here when your initial read neglected to look at his small later contributions?
It is not super indicative of anything. I did one post that explained what I didn't like, if you don't agree you can explain what is wrong with it:
On February 04 2016 18:33 Rels wrote:I have a bad feeling about this post. Here are his first posts almost 2 hours before: So here is what darth did: 1 - enter the thread "I am there" 2 - shit post ----- 2 hours pass ------- 3 - enter the thread "I am there" I don't like this repetition. There is no excuse in the first posts, like "I'll be there in 2 hours I'm working right now". It also happens 20 minutes after being called out by disfo for being there and not doing anything. This might be indicative of scum wanting to enter the thread early just to show he's there while not doing anything; but after being called out for doing exactly that, coming back to show he's playing the game seriously.
I never talked about it again unless someone talked to me about it, so I have no idea why you say "why is that super indicative of him". His other later contributions are NAI to me, maybe the white knight is a small town indicator but I'm not convinced. I'm waiting to what he answers to my question and what he does from now on.
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On February 05 2016 00:41 Damdred wrote:
I think technically the named towny is considered a blue in this setup and its probably best to wait to claim so you aren't dead by eod but that's just me...
Though it probably depends who it is
Yeah that's true. I think it's better for the named VT to not claim, as if he does he can be killed whenever scum wants.
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On February 05 2016 00:48 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 00:25 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 00:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
you are really nitpicking rels, it is highly unlikely JAT is scum here.
can whoever is here look at nocturnemage? I cant believe he never posted again zZ Yep I said the same like 5 posts ago. That won't stop me from calling out illogical things I see. I'm waiting for NM to answer something that didn't make sense from his PoV unless I'm missing something. VA's first post when I first read it jumped out as a lame excuse to me for calling someone mafia that didn't make someone necessarily mafia. There's nothing wrong to me making town reads (or forming a "town circle" as others might put it) or trying to do so and then proceeding from there. Especially that early in the game there's not a whole lot to go off of where you can have a reliable scum read. That's why I felt that entry was forced.
You don't think that anymore ?
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On February 05 2016 01:08 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 01:01 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 00:48 NocturneMage wrote:On February 05 2016 00:25 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 00:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
you are really nitpicking rels, it is highly unlikely JAT is scum here.
can whoever is here look at nocturnemage? I cant believe he never posted again zZ Yep I said the same like 5 posts ago. That won't stop me from calling out illogical things I see. I'm waiting for NM to answer something that didn't make sense from his PoV unless I'm missing something. VA's first post when I first read it jumped out as a lame excuse to me for calling someone mafia that didn't make someone necessarily mafia. There's nothing wrong to me making town reads (or forming a "town circle" as others might put it) or trying to do so and then proceeding from there. Especially that early in the game there's not a whole lot to go off of where you can have a reliable scum read. That's why I felt that entry was forced. You don't think that anymore ? Read the exchange I had with him about cherry picking. The first post jumped out at me for scummy reasons. When I read the Damdred/VA exchange in full he looked worse IMO. He claimed a reaction test but didn't make a conclusion in the exchange itself - it took my intervention before he said "btw he's town" (paraphrasing). The whole thing just struck me as odd from a town side of things especially when (ignoring meta) being defensive for most people is generally a scummy trait. And current page, I also can't understand the rationale he's discussing when there is a strongman shot that can be used anytime, but that's a separate point.
The bold is super bad. You're probably scum. This:
On February 04 2016 10:26 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 10:22 Damdred wrote:On February 04 2016 10:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
also damdred why did you say you were only gonna talk about scumreads before game and you already have a spammy filter informing us of town reads and asking others to do work I am not being spammy at the least and have only answered questions directed at me. Vut how am I asking others to do work for me specifically? I know I was kidding, I just wanted to see if you reacted defensively. But anyways I'm starting to spam too now. guess ill wait for stuff to happen
Is crystal clear. He "was kidding" and "wanted to see if you reacted defensively", so yeah he townread Damdred way before your post.
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NM, do you think "Damdred being defensive = town" formula is wrong ?
If yes, prove it 'cause others disagree.
If no, why are you repeating "being defensive (ignoring meta) is a scum indicator" although you're talking about a specific situation that involves meta ?
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On February 04 2016 13:11 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 13:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
nocturnemage probably scum, that post is str8 up garbage. i have to check his past games I guess No because you are scumreading me for something that don't make me mafia. Your side of the exchange was a grand total of two posts, the second of which was meta - under normal circumstances defensiveness is usually a scummy trait. You not saying it explicitly then was odd to me (no conclusion from the reaction test or his response to it).
On February 05 2016 01:08 NocturneMage wrote:
The whole thing just struck me as odd from a town side of things especially when (ignoring meta) being defensive for most people is generally a scummy trait.
These.
Why are you saying that when VA said it was a specific Damdred's meta ? You HAVE to disagree with the "Damdred defensive = town" meta, otherwise it doesn't make sense that you repeat it.
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Calm down.
On February 05 2016 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
@Rels, and a tiny bit of Koshi shade
I think you're reading too much into a few cheeky posts at the beginning of the game. Nothing was really going on by that point, so I didn't feel the need to be super serious. I'm just not understanding why you aren't holding others to this similar standard of scum indicativeness; Zyrre, who made the "woo i'm town" post hasn't posted since and only NM seems to notice. He's also EU time which makes it even more sus imo.
Yep, Zyrre is useless along with Onegu, Moosy and maybe others, and if the lynch was right now one of those would die. That fact doesn't forbid me to talk about things I find weird.
On February 05 2016 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
Not sure why other people can post shit memes and make jokes
This doesn't prove anything and it's a bad defense.
On February 05 2016 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
but when I say "roger Gold leader" in a Star Wars themed game early D1, you scum read me for it. I literally said "i am here guyzzz"... like why would I ever be so literal in my phrasing if I were mafia?
This whole poke on me seems a little overzealous to me. I understand probing, but this is pointless. When I say that I'll be back in some hours, but still make a post, I simply don't have the time to make in depth posts or filter dive, but I have enough time (~5 minutes) to defend myself from rather toothless accusations.
Here you say I scumread for two things that are false: for a shitpost and for saying you "be back in some hours, but still make a post". I don't scumread you for that nor do I find any of it indicative of anything. What I found suspicious was your third post in the game: I didn't like that you entered the thread twice, the second time after you've been called out for posting and not saying anything. That's it. Don't make up things.
So. I didn't ask you to answer my post about you 'casue you can't answer it. It's a small scum indicator you can't defend against so don't waste your time and prove you're town starting now.
What I DID ask you about was:
On February 04 2016 18:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 10:35 darthfoley wrote:On February 04 2016 08:12 Damdred wrote:
I hate this game already.
hi hi, let me throw the weakest/easiest TR ever at you. Likewise, I don't particularly like this "read." The explanation was basically hearsay, so I'm still not a fan "hearsay" ? What did you not like in his explanation ?
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On February 05 2016 02:07 NocturneMage wrote:
Got a breather.
Alright, clearly I'm doing a terrible job explaining this because no one is understanding what I'm trying to say here. Going to try and refer post by post if that helps:
First, Rels, my issue is not the townread. It's how he stated it and his tone in coming about it (post 238). Try and see this from the perspective of someone who's not played with this guy before. If I'm being bad or nitpicky, whatever I'm just pointing something that looked off.
After Damdred responds, he's said he's kidding (post 241) then why would you say "I just wanted to see if you reacted defensively" as if he IS trying to get something out of that?
That's what I put emphasis on. That's why just reading it, I expected a conclusion.
And then only in post 266, he STATES that (presumably) based on meta Damdred is town. Why would you expect me to know that when I'm first reading it. Based on what you said, I POSTED after it, yes but that's because I was catching up.
Damdred being defensive = town - generally I associate defensiveness with being scummy but my issue was that he didn't state ANY conclusion in post 241. He stated A conclusion after the fact.
Does this at least make a little more sense now?
No.
1 - I still don't understand how you can say you didn't think VA townread Damdred after his "it was a test" post.
1a - If VA clearly said in that post "Oh Damdred passed the test he's town", would you still scumread him ?
2 - About the defensive stuff, I also don't get you. VA's line of defense against you has been "Damdred is defensive => town meta" all game; so I don't understand why you are bringing up the fact that FOR YOU and GENERALLY, "defensive => scum". It has NO link whatsover with your read on VA, or VA's read on Damdred.
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Leaving work now, see you in a few hours.
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On February 05 2016 02:21 darthfoley wrote:Nah, not buddying you. Rels, I didn't like disformation's defense on his "hi, lemme throw you the weakest of townreads" because Show nested quote +Was kinda waiting for that question to pop up.
Well once upon the time damdy told me that he really does not like to be VT. Him opening up like this reminded me of that. Could be easily faked so I call it a super weak/easy TR. You gotta start somewhere. Show nested quote +Dunno. Have observed a lot of ppl just throwing out reads, without really bothering to explain them. Wanted to try that style this game a bit. Also more opportunities for interactions like this.  I don't know why you wouldn't explain it if you were kinda waiting for someone to ask you that question. It just seemed to me like track covering. I agree with his premise that you have to start somewhere, so if he had used that anecdotal evidence when he read Damdred initially, I probably would've been fine with it. I'm also not a fan of throwing reads out without bothering to explain them until you get pressed on them, and I don't think the solution is more people playing that style.
Oh OK. I thought you had a problem with his read's explanation. This makes sense. (=
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On February 05 2016 02:08 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 22:59 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 22:50 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 22:45 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 19:35 nooniansoong wrote:On February 04 2016 19:31 Koshi wrote:
##vote Kush
Best lynch by far. I'm not a bad lynch Could scum post that ? It's soooooooo scummy that I'm kinda thinking it's town indicative. Like, kush does nothing for 10 hours; comes back with this post; then GTFO. Scum are generally trying to be more careful with their posts. Kush plays bold as mafia. This post makes him more likely mafia. not sure it makes him more likely mafia, but i definitely don't think it's townpoints either agree. my shitty attitude this game has nothing to do with my alignment. Anyway I don't think I play bold as scum. In my last scumgame I opened with a shitcase on vayne or something. Usually I'll give some effort to look townie day 1 before I completely stop giving a fuck by day 2.
Here is a quote from you from Outlaw mafia:
On January 13 2016 02:38 nooniansoong wrote:
The benefit is people make arguments like you're making and base your scumread on it.
Shit players like me and onegu do that as scum sometimes. Just do something that makes no sense. Its a lot easier than making content that looks townie.
Explain ?
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On February 05 2016 02:24 NocturneMage wrote:
Rels - re 567
(1) because he didn't actually state it, (1a) the answer to that is no, depending on how he'd had stated that I'd ask why he's townreading him for defensiveness but that would have been explained surely
(2) his stating it gives me more information about where he stands because we've used two different methods to come to two different conclusions in an isolated situation. and I say isolated because Damdred has had play outside of that exchange.
still reading up...
I don't understand anything about your scumread then. And I don't understand what you try to say in (2). I'll think about it going home but I'm pretty sure you're scum.
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On February 05 2016 03:08 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:On February 05 2016 02:08 nooniansoong wrote:On February 04 2016 22:59 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 22:50 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 22:45 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 19:35 nooniansoong wrote:On February 04 2016 19:31 Koshi wrote:
##vote Kush
Best lynch by far. I'm not a bad lynch Could scum post that ? It's soooooooo scummy that I'm kinda thinking it's town indicative. Like, kush does nothing for 10 hours; comes back with this post; then GTFO. Scum are generally trying to be more careful with their posts. Kush plays bold as mafia. This post makes him more likely mafia. not sure it makes him more likely mafia, but i definitely don't think it's townpoints either agree. my shitty attitude this game has nothing to do with my alignment. Anyway I don't think I play bold as scum. In my last scumgame I opened with a shitcase on vayne or something. Usually I'll give some effort to look townie day 1 before I completely stop giving a fuck by day 2. Any chance this attitude will improve or are we just out of luck if we expect you to play the game? There is a chance but it's not good.
yo can you answer me ?
On February 05 2016 02:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 02:08 nooniansoong wrote:On February 04 2016 22:59 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 22:50 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 22:45 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 19:35 nooniansoong wrote:On February 04 2016 19:31 Koshi wrote:
##vote Kush
Best lynch by far. I'm not a bad lynch Could scum post that ? It's soooooooo scummy that I'm kinda thinking it's town indicative. Like, kush does nothing for 10 hours; comes back with this post; then GTFO. Scum are generally trying to be more careful with their posts. Kush plays bold as mafia. This post makes him more likely mafia. not sure it makes him more likely mafia, but i definitely don't think it's townpoints either agree. my shitty attitude this game has nothing to do with my alignment. Anyway I don't think I play bold as scum. In my last scumgame I opened with a shitcase on vayne or something. Usually I'll give some effort to look townie day 1 before I completely stop giving a fuck by day 2. Here is a quote from you from Outlaw mafia: Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 02:38 nooniansoong wrote:
The benefit is people make arguments like you're making and base your scumread on it.
Shit players like me and onegu do that as scum sometimes. Just do something that makes no sense. Its a lot easier than making content that looks townie. Explain ?
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On February 05 2016 05:04 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 18:43 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 12:16 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 12:11 darthfoley wrote:On February 04 2016 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 11:01 disformation wrote:phone post from bed. nearly forgot. @NocturneMage: care to remind me what you think of meta reads? this post is terrible in so many ways. Why? 1) notifying that he is going out of his way to post from an inconvenient place -> notice me senpai 2) "almost forgot" -> something he must tell us! must be important 3) deferring to nocturnemage a) now confirmed not important b) if town is deferring to someone who's alignment he doesn't know for no reason 4) trying to discredit meta which CAN be a useful tool 5) smiley face cuz clearly "i'm joking gaiz" nothing about this post is good in any way. all of it is legit hot trash. Mm this is good. What does this mean for my alignment? I haven't seen you give a read on me in your filter.
I don't have a read on you. I agree with ritoky that the post in question was bad though.
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yo Chez, Onegu. I will push for your lynch if you're still useless at deadline.
BUT RELS THIS IS UNFAIR ??? LOOK AT THAT GUY OVER THERE BEING USELESS TOO
Shut up. This also applies to other useless people (Kush, Moosy, Zyrre). Happy ?
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On February 05 2016 05:56 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 05:52 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 05:04 disformation wrote:On February 04 2016 18:43 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 12:16 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 12:11 darthfoley wrote:On February 04 2016 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 11:01 disformation wrote:phone post from bed. nearly forgot. @NocturneMage: care to remind me what you think of meta reads? this post is terrible in so many ways. Why? 1) notifying that he is going out of his way to post from an inconvenient place -> notice me senpai 2) "almost forgot" -> something he must tell us! must be important 3) deferring to nocturnemage a) now confirmed not important b) if town is deferring to someone who's alignment he doesn't know for no reason 4) trying to discredit meta which CAN be a useful tool 5) smiley face cuz clearly "i'm joking gaiz" nothing about this post is good in any way. all of it is legit hot trash. Mm this is good. What does this mean for my alignment? I haven't seen you give a read on me in your filter. I don't have a read on you. I agree with ritoky that the post in question was bad though. Cool. Do you have any idea of what is going on?
Some kind of Chezinu "hazing"
I had to google translate that word so it might not be accurate p:
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On February 05 2016 05:59 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 05:57 Rels wrote:
yo Chez, Onegu. I will push for your lynch if you're still useless at deadline.
BUT RELS THIS IS UNFAIR ??? LOOK AT THAT GUY OVER THERE BEING USELESS TOO
Shut up. This also applies to other useless people (Kush, Moosy, Zyrre). Happy ? For Rels? You underestimate the power of the useless.
Glad to play with you again (= last time was fun.
I'm still lynching you if you don't play properly though
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So. Fucking NM. Let's see if his fucking VA read makes sense if I take some time to understand it.
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On February 05 2016 06:03 disformation wrote:
Eh? In my feeble understanding of the rule only applied to ppl who never played with you before and call you scum or something?
How the fuck do you know the rule ?
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On February 05 2016 02:08 NocturneMage wrote:Also this - Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 10:55 ritoky wrote:
also VA might be mafia cuz he posted 3x w/o calling someone mafia or town or voting on someone; which is outside his normal town meta. Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 01:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also Ritoky was mostly likely joking so the fact you took the bait on that is also lolz FWIW, doesn't look a joking tone or a reaction test to me.
OK I would like to know that actually. ritoky were you joking ? What do you think of VA ?
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