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On February 09 2016 00:50 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 00:49 NocturneMage wrote:On February 09 2016 00:32 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 09 2016 00:21 nooniansoong wrote:
i like koshi for possible tryhardish scum
then nm for possible but unlikely tryhard superscum both of those are completely legit and possible if the scumteam isnt superlurk squad. I still don't have a 100% tr on koshi but leaning town. its possible because of how the game played out + we have a lot of good players he doesnt feel the need to do much? i dont know honestly. All i can remember is him tunneling you and doesn't seem super cocky on any reads besides that which isnt normal. If palmar is scum though, he hard defended him since the beginning when he didnt really have to and made himself look super bad for basically no reason. Maybe I should look more at what he has done to help town though because I dont think its been much As for NM, its possible he is going for a BH style scum play but I honestly just started ignoring him. If you read his posts in depth they are actually just long walls of texts of nothing again recently that dont mean anything and are borderline english. The bolded is a very bad reason to townread/townlean anyone let alone a player of (from what I understand) Koshi's calibre. Rels had probably the best argument as for why Koshi is likely scum. To the points you have (bolded), he pointed out that a lot of Koshi's reads went nowhere, a common scum trait. Day 1 it was the same thing I pointed out with how he approached reads on ritoky and Damdred. That read is actually pretty terrible. oh here he is to pop into the thread call me scum and leave again and call me stupid and fuck my wife and then leave ^^ just in time
On February 09 2016 01:44 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 01:40 NocturneMage wrote:No VA, I'm not putting words into your mouth, you didn't say you were more townie, but you sure implied it. On February 09 2016 00:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
Then explain to me why he is trying to ride this palmar cred into the sunset and then some one that voted BEFORE him is scummy and im not even trying to get any palmar cred, i literally dont give a shit. I just vote what I think and thats it like ive always done. And then when you try to reason with him he just says "no, you're stupid" and leaves.
If that's town I really can't see myself ever getting along with him. The "Riding cred into the sunset" implies that I'm scum from your point of view. The "someone that voted before him is scummy and I'm not even trying to get any Palmar cred" is an implication for yourself that you are either town or more town than I am. You are putting words in my mouth. I haven't once tried to leverage being not on the zyrre wagon as something that I shouldnt be lynched for, which is what you implied. Anyways go ahead and find me those games since you like using meta so much. its the crux of your argument that i wasnt invested in the lynch, should be easy to find games where I am right?
Tell me what you think of those reactions.
Also day 1, look at the way he drops his scumread on me and then raises it again - it seems very much with the concern that "he's unsure of whom to push".
+ Show Spoiler +On February 04 2016 13:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
nocturnemage probably scum, that post is str8 up garbage. i have to check his past games I guess On February 04 2016 13:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
well jokes aside I will give you space for now, apparently you are good as town so no reason to day 1 lynch you I have never played with VA, so how would he know that "apparently I am good as town"? On February 05 2016 00:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
you are really nitpicking rels, it is highly unlikely JAT is scum here.
can whoever is here look at nocturnemage? I cant believe he never posted again zZ
The above quote is a bit ironic/hypocritical considered he said that I was nitpicking him and then he makes a huge deal about the "sleep" comments.
Additional evidence against him on that same point Noon - read his comments/filter about boxerfred and darthfoley. His comments on boxerfred go both ways before he defends him, and then his attacks on Darthfoley go NOWHERE.
It's very hard for me to articulate, the best way of catching this is to read his filter.
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On February 09 2016 23:34 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:27 boxerfred wrote:
Let's update my VCA:
Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Onegu
VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy
I liked noonians new list post. So, let me pretend that all my town reads (in disregard if there are hard reads or slight leans or whatever) are locked and confirmed towns, we get this:
Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Onegu
VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy
Would that make sense?
Sad you left me out of the color party 
He did that to me too so don't feel so bad.
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On February 09 2016 23:38 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:32 boxerfred wrote:On February 09 2016 23:30 LightningStrike wrote:
boxerfred you should prob bold the flipped towns lol.......... On February 09 2016 23:27 boxerfred wrote:
Let's update my VCA:
I liked noonians new list post. So, let me pretend that all my town reads (in disregard if there are hard reads or slight leans or whatever) are locked and confirmed towns, we get this:
Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Onegu
VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy
Would that make sense?
+ Show Spoiler +That makes sense.
At least from your point of view that is.
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I quite like what kush wrote about VA, tbh.
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think i'll probably just call kush town at this point
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On February 09 2016 23:37 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 01:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
I will warn you that BF is a trap player. I don't know what to make of him yet. On paper it makes zero sense and looks scummy but surely he would realize that right? Now when we look at the motivation for why he would want to post this, all I could think of is kush being his mafia buddy. He wants you to know that he does support the lynch of kush but thats the extent of it. so if you believe in a kush/bf team then go for it Would scum say such things D1? Dunno
boxerfred, the second sentence is what you call hedging, which is mafia indicative.
"I don't know what to make of him yet." is a noncommittal statement - not wanting to take sides.
Granted in that quote alone, there is a possible town motivation, that he can be town being unsure, but mafia can say things like this and wait to see where thread sentiment goes.
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Seems to me maybe it's something like:
Palmar/Koshi
Chezinu/VA/boxerfred
then a smattering of darth and moosey and LS
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On February 09 2016 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
I quite like what kush wrote about VA, tbh.
+1
I really really think people need to take a harder look at VA.
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On February 09 2016 23:37 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:30 disformation wrote:On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:Here's my scumreads. Kind of in order and kind of not. - Koshi
- VayneAuthority
- meta point: none of his usual sharpness, seems unsure of who he wants to push
- weird townread on koshi:
I still don't have a 100% tr on koshi but leaning town. its possible because of how the game played out + we have a lot of good players he doesnt feel the need to do much? i dont know honestly. All i can remember is him tunneling you and doesn't seem super cocky on any reads besides that which isnt normal. I get the point about koshi not needing to do much but I don't get why that makes him lean town.
- omgusing nm
- LightningStrike
- It seems like he is trying to gloss over koshi suspicion and push it onto me:
On February 09 2016 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
So Koshi might be a good lynch. The way he defended Palmar seems weird but he attacks Kush for not trying this game which he claims as a tell from his last scum game. I will check kush in a little bit. - he talks about his thoughts before he replaced in which are now completely irrelevant, plus he's having trouble townreading people who are obvious town:
On February 09 2016 08:16 LightningStrike wrote:Okay so Rels thoguht I was a obs when I had just replaced Onegu. Also I found it funny that the people who were NK'd were all scumreading my slot. Kinda awkward for me tbh >.< I originally thought JAT was going to be scum because of his attitude at EoD1/Night 1 area because he normally a ass as scum from my memory. Oh well my read on JAT was bad apparently I kinda want to give Rel's a townread because he actually seemed to want to solve the game and doesn't seemed to buddy with people if I read his stuff right.
- Chezinu
- doesn't have the good reads on people that I would expect
- his reasoning on palmar is convenient for scum
- MoosyDoosy
- There's nothing surprising about the order of his list but in the explanations he is second guessing himself on almost every read. His read on me is very superficial-- I had a scummy mindset. I'd say yes, but I put it out there blatantly which makes more sense to read as null.
On February 09 2016 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Town Circle
- Rels town from D2 although I had my suspicion earlier so I would not be surprised if he is unexpectedly Mafia. But I will go logic > feel for now.
- marv is active lol
- NM is doing his convoluted way of collecting reads
lean on green
- darthfoley looks good, tbh don't remember him much, townread him early and forgot about him. may look into later.
- disformation looks like his waffle king town but i am never sure about him. I will check his mafia game I think.
Lol wtf idek
- Chezinu is an enigma, but he plays games so that is cool.
- Onegu is an enigma, but he does not play games so he is lower than Chezinu.
People to Look Into:
- boxerfred was bad EoD and his anger was definitely misplaced. Some of his reads were also very bad.
- noon had some scummy posts from a scum mindset which I'm surprised no one seemed to have mentioned much.
- I scumread him for D1 stuff but idk if he looks better now. Will have to look into again.
- tbh i don't really know how I feel about Koshi but it looks like everyone is scum reading him so I will look into him again. - nothing I can point to as particularly townie
I can see your 1) point on LS coming from a town mindset. Otherwise I think I like this. Need to reread VA. You have a TR on boxerfred, but couldn't find an explanation in your filter. TBH you like don't talk about boxer at all. Could you explain your TR on boxer?  i'm not going to read boxer's filter so ill just point out what ive noticed (in a list because those are my new favorite things) - abysmal play in his last scum game. I remember him making one serious post and afking. So that makes him lean town due to both tone and activity.
- he's thinking pretty deeply about stuff, even if that stuff is vca
- i doubt bfscum would still be trying so hard at this point
Check my very first game. I can try hard as scum.
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What is the argument on Darthfoley? Am I derping, was it something I missed from Day 2 or what it just that he was on the wrong side Day 1? Because I thought he was town Day 1 despite being on the wrong side.
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On February 09 2016 23:47 NocturneMage wrote:
What is the argument on Darthfoley? Am I derping, was it something I missed from Day 2 or what it just that he was on the wrong side Day 1? Because I thought he was town Day 1 despite being on the wrong side.
just that his activity/involvement has dropped off i guess. i don't actually think he's mafia.
i actually provided a reason i thought he would be town a couple of pages back based on something he said to Koshi.
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On February 09 2016 23:45 marvellosity wrote:
Seems to me maybe it's something like:
Palmar/Koshi
Chezinu/VA/boxerfred
then a smattering of darth and moosey and LS
I kinda mad you can't seem to read me.... Unless you man if you were wrong on your townread it would of been me,md, and darth?
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On February 09 2016 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:45 marvellosity wrote:
Seems to me maybe it's something like:
Palmar/Koshi
Chezinu/VA/boxerfred
then a smattering of darth and moosey and LS I kinda mad you can't seem to read me.... Unless you mean if you were wrong on your townread it would of been me,md, and darth?
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LS, you've only been in the game like 16 hours or something 
i'm not scumreading you for your posts, it's really just a PoE thing. I think mafia are in the top 5.
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rolf just when I did those posts marv posting about darth lol................
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On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:Here's my scumreads. Kind of in order and kind of not. - Koshi
- VayneAuthority
- meta point: none of his usual sharpness, seems unsure of who he wants to push
- weird townread on koshi:
I still don't have a 100% tr on koshi but leaning town. its possible because of how the game played out + we have a lot of good players he doesnt feel the need to do much? i dont know honestly. All i can remember is him tunneling you and doesn't seem super cocky on any reads besides that which isnt normal. I get the point about koshi not needing to do much but I don't get why that makes him lean town.
- omgusing nm
- LightningStrike
- It seems like he is trying to gloss over koshi suspicion and push it onto me:
On February 09 2016 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
So Koshi might be a good lynch. The way he defended Palmar seems weird but he attacks Kush for not trying this game which he claims as a tell from his last scum game. I will check kush in a little bit. - he talks about his thoughts before he replaced in which are now completely irrelevant, plus he's having trouble townreading people who are obvious town:
On February 09 2016 08:16 LightningStrike wrote:Okay so Rels thoguht I was a obs when I had just replaced Onegu. Also I found it funny that the people who were NK'd were all scumreading my slot. Kinda awkward for me tbh >.< I originally thought JAT was going to be scum because of his attitude at EoD1/Night 1 area because he normally a ass as scum from my memory. Oh well my read on JAT was bad apparently I kinda want to give Rel's a townread because he actually seemed to want to solve the game and doesn't seemed to buddy with people if I read his stuff right.
- Chezinu
- doesn't have the good reads on people that I would expect
- his reasoning on palmar is convenient for scum
- MoosyDoosy
- There's nothing surprising about the order of his list but in the explanations he is second guessing himself on almost every read. His read on me is very superficial-- I had a scummy mindset. I'd say yes, but I put it out there blatantly which makes more sense to read as null.
On February 09 2016 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Town Circle
- Rels town from D2 although I had my suspicion earlier so I would not be surprised if he is unexpectedly Mafia. But I will go logic > feel for now.
- marv is active lol
- NM is doing his convoluted way of collecting reads
lean on green
- darthfoley looks good, tbh don't remember him much, townread him early and forgot about him. may look into later.
- disformation looks like his waffle king town but i am never sure about him. I will check his mafia game I think.
Lol wtf idek
- Chezinu is an enigma, but he plays games so that is cool.
- Onegu is an enigma, but he does not play games so he is lower than Chezinu.
People to Look Into:
- boxerfred was bad EoD and his anger was definitely misplaced. Some of his reads were also very bad.
- noon had some scummy posts from a scum mindset which I'm surprised no one seemed to have mentioned much.
- I scumread him for D1 stuff but idk if he looks better now. Will have to look into again.
- tbh i don't really know how I feel about Koshi but it looks like everyone is scum reading him so I will look into him again. - nothing I can point to as particularly townie
Last post before I go. I particularly like your point about VA lacking direction. Perhaps it was because I was trash scum, but I've seen him be low activity into a BAM mafia case. He hasn't done all that much besides bicker with NM for most of the game, and throw out some tentative reads here and there. Ritoky said that NM vs. VA seemed manufactured, and given the two people and their posts so far, it seems quite likely that VA is the one latching onto a tunnel to somewhat excuse his lack of direction otherwise
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On February 09 2016 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:45 marvellosity wrote:
Seems to me maybe it's something like:
Palmar/Koshi
Chezinu/VA/boxerfred
then a smattering of darth and moosey and LS I kinda mad you can't seem to read me.... Unless you man if you were wrong on your townread it would of been me,md, and darth?
please enlighten me, how is one supposed to townread you..
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On February 09 2016 23:53 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:On February 09 2016 23:45 marvellosity wrote:
Seems to me maybe it's something like:
Palmar/Koshi
Chezinu/VA/boxerfred
then a smattering of darth and moosey and LS I kinda mad you can't seem to read me.... Unless you man if you were wrong on your townread it would of been me,md, and darth? please enlighten me, how is one supposed to townread you..
Try to lynch him and guess if his yelling at EoD is town or not.
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On February 09 2016 23:53 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:On February 09 2016 23:45 marvellosity wrote:
Seems to me maybe it's something like:
Palmar/Koshi
Chezinu/VA/boxerfred
then a smattering of darth and moosey and LS I kinda mad you can't seem to read me.... Unless you man if you were wrong on your townread it would of been me,md, and darth? please enlighten me, how is one supposed to townread you..
He actually knows how to read to read me since he actually obsed my scum games and town games/played with him too when I was town.
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On February 09 2016 23:45 marvellosity wrote:
Seems to me maybe it's something like:
Palmar/Koshi
Chezinu/VA/boxerfred
then a smattering of darth and moosey and LS
Regarding Chezinu -
On February 09 2016 08:10 Chezinu wrote:
Guys, I would like to say that it was a honor to help form a second wagon on Day 1 to aid in the detection of mafia scum. I was secretly hoping Palmar would have died Day 1 but I couldn't vote for Palmar cause I likes him. This was also an opportunity to gain more information. We are doing great guys!
What do people think about this quote? It might be the only readable thing I can find on this guy.
If Palmar flipped vig, I think Chezinu would look REALLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYY bad.
I can see the "gain more information" coming from town here. But why didn't he say it before the day 1 lynch? I don't understand.
I have no idea what is in bounds or out of bounds for this guy as town, so people who know him better, help me out...
The only other thing I can say is, that this guy at least day 1 wasn't playing to survive, but that is probably also weak at best.
In fact, he's not really pushing back as we're all been discussing him as mafia. There's no sense of urgency to survive. IDK. (Unless he plays like this as scum too????)
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