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So here is what happened D1:
Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu
VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy
Koshi is currently scum read by some persons. He went late Zyrre. He put his vote on Zyrre when it was 6-6 split between Palmar and Zyrre, and he does it rather late:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503495-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken-voting-thread?page=3#48
On February 06 2016 07:42 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote zyrre
Roughly 20 minutes before deadline. The situation we're in is that Palmar is on the very edge of being lynched. He is the Godfather, yet he is afk - a big scum role that can confuse town really hard (remember - Finncop works not like the standard cop!) would be a huge loss D1.
Koshi seems to not care too much for this game D1. His reads are meager, he's not pushing anyone too hard, he feels wishywashy. But then it comes to his vote: initially, he forgets the "##unvote", then he corrects it, writing his vote in the correct way. However, it doesn't seem to be enough for him:
On February 06 2016 07:43 Koshi wrote:
voted zyrre
Why is that so important, given that the previous post was absolutely correct? It's tiny, yep, and might not be alignment indicative, but I can see a nervous close-to-deadline-with-GF-close-to-being-lynched scum!Koshi acting nervous.
That would bring us to:
Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu
VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy
Chez' vote on Zyrre would also make sense as scum. He said EoD2 after the Palmar lynch that he originally wanted to see Palmar dead D1 already - but he didn't vote him.
marvellosity's switch feels weird to me but yeah...not gonna put the tinfoil hat back on again, he was the one to initiate the whole Palmar thingy.
Rels feels townie to me. He's active and eager to do stuff, but the biggest thing is his genuine reaction to the LS replacement. On second thought though I'm not sure if that really was an alignment indicative dumbtell. I'd take it as that if LS would flip red, I'd lock Rels as town then. But - I do not know about LS' alignment, so yeah. Head and heart tell me though that Rels is town.
disformation feels to me like he is playing a weak town game. He doesn't dare to push people, although he picks stuff every now and then. I wish he'd actually push some people, drop some committed reads, instead of just staying in his comfort zone. He's either a townie afraid to appear bad or a scum guy playing a very soft, careful game. His D1 felt very townie to me, but I think he got away with my town read too easy. However he ended up voting the Palmar train and went through with that - I don't think scum!disformation would have the guts for such a bus. So I'll paint him green here, too.
VayneAuthority's activity level feels similar to what I learnt of him in other games. Town lean at this point, but not enough to paint him green in the PoE-kind-of-VCA I'm currently doing here. I paint him green because he was early on the Palmar wagon and did not leave at any point. This is not a 100% town read - but I want to simplify things.
boxerfred is town, I know that. Gonna add the colours..
Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Onegu
VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy
nooniansong was scumread by me D1. I don't understand exactly why people like marv (?) started to townread him and I would really like to get an explanation on that from the guys who townread him. If he's scum, his vote was safe and sound on Zyrre. A solid no-risk-scum-play at D1.
darthfoley really dropped off in activity. At least that's how I feel like. I need to filter-dive here and I'm glad for anyone dropping reads on those two guys.
NocturneMage - can't drop a read, didn't look into yet. Gotta do this though to at least gain some impression. Only impression I have is from D1 where NM fought VA, and I'm not sure how to judge that.
Last, but not least:
MoosyDoosy. Voting outside both trains feels weird. But I think this is rather town indicative than scum indicative. The wagons were close, and the Zyrre lynch happened rather last minute. If he was scum with Palmar, I'm sure he'd have switched earlier - a last second switch would've put a bad light on him, especially given that there was no guarantee that Palmar would survive the night.
Onegu got replaced by LightningStrike. LS should step up now and do something for town. If he remains rather low activity and lurky, he should be lynched sooner or later. No way to have this guy in LYLO.
What do you guys think?
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You talking about this post kush:
On February 07 2016 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote:did you actually do this? lol
If he actually did accuse Koshi of shooting ritoky other than that I might need to find it later when I wake up a little bit.
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Also bf you realized that I manged to get a bigger filter than Onegu did before he asked to replace out? I am quite sad that you didn't notice it 
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On February 09 2016 22:20 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi's filter also makes me think kush is town.
Hm this is interesting since I located him in a rather scummy spot in my post above. Koshi was voting nooniansong D1, I didn't pay attention to this. So if Koshi flips red, we have nooniansong in a safe spot.
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On February 09 2016 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:Also bf you realized that I manged to get a bigger filter than Onegu did before he asked to replace out? I am quite sad that you didn't notice it
This is you ask for reads but don't drop too many yourself. Also, you're a null, not a scum for me  .
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On February 09 2016 22:44 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 22:20 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi's filter also makes me think kush is town. Hm this is interesting since I located him in a rather scummy spot in my post above. Koshi was voting nooniansong D1, I didn't pay attention to this. So if Koshi flips red, we have nooniansong in a safe spot.
It wasn't even so much that Koshi was going after kush (although I'd say that's a point in kush's favour). There was quite a bit of needle there. The not-from-the-same-team kinda needle, I think.
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On February 09 2016 22:45 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:Also bf you realized that I manged to get a bigger filter than Onegu did before he asked to replace out? I am quite sad that you didn't notice it This is you ask for reads but don't drop too many yourself. Also, you're a null, not a scum for me .
To be fair I still collecting my reads a little bit but I need a little bit of time and I wanted to make sure if for some reason the people I asked for their reads get NK'd I could take a look on who they thought was scum and see why they got killed too.
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Also marv you said you were going to give a list post today and I kinda want to read it please? <3
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not till later, LS. You should have a good idea where my head is from the smattering of posts I've made today.
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On February 09 2016 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 22:45 boxerfred wrote:On February 09 2016 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:Also bf you realized that I manged to get a bigger filter than Onegu did before he asked to replace out? I am quite sad that you didn't notice it This is you ask for reads but don't drop too many yourself. Also, you're a null, not a scum for me . To be fair I still collecting my reads a little bit but I need a little bit of time and I wanted to make sure if for some reason the people I asked for their reads get NK'd I could take a look on who they thought was scum and see why they got killed too.
Calm down. I don't think you're the lynch today. I can see Koshi hanging though, or Chez.
I'm fine with both but wouldn't lynch outside of them.
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On February 09 2016 22:51 marvellosity wrote:
not till later, LS. You should have a good idea where my head is from the smattering of posts I've made today.
Well I know you got Koshi and Chez as scum Kush as town and boxer fred maybe scum/leaning scum? I should read your entire filter and take notes on what you said on others since before my replacements >.>
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On February 09 2016 08:35 disformation wrote:Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Damdred, Koshi, justanothertownie, PalmarPalmar (7): marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, boxerfred, Damdredjustanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Rels, boxerfredNocturneMage (0), disformation disformationritoky (0): boxerfred, Chezinu,Onegu (0):, nooniansoongDisformation (0): Chezinu, ChezinuMoosyDoosy (0): nooniansoonglock town: NM, Rels, Marv, Me town leans (kinda slight, but a lean is a lean): darth, boxer, noon, VA left: chez, koshi, md, ls ls can have a day to play. not sure about MD. chez and koshi look bad atm. will try to look over my leans and the ppl left b4 EoN. 
That is basically as committed as I get. :p
As you can see I agree on Koshi and Chez and there is no need for me to push either of them, especially since all my lock towns agree on that and I am pretty comfortable sheeping them.
Also the point you made on Koshi's vote was already made by me, but got somewhat deflected by jat and marv.
Need/Want to look at a bunch of filters this evening.
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boxerfred, are you here? I have some questions. I'm in and out today as I look through a few things.
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Also a note from marv: He did call dis town forgot he posted that while I was watching the game a bit(facepalms myself)
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TBH it kinda baffles me that some ppl seem to think I am not 100% lock down town and will go full-ham-retarded-OMGUS if someone calls me scum.
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On February 09 2016 23:04 disformation wrote:
TBH it kinda baffles me that some ppl seem to think I am not 100% lock down town and will go full-ham-retarded-OMGUS if someone calls me scum.
i give pretty good training on this.
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Got a lot of work suddenly p: so I won't be around before a while. At the very worst I'll be there tonight.
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Here is the vote count with strikethroughs:
On February 06 2016 08:12 Half the Sky wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Damdred, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky boxerfred, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Rels, boxerfredNocturneMage (0), disformation disformationritoky (0): boxerfred, Chezinu,Onegu (0):, nooniansoongDisformation (0): Chezinu, ChezinuMoosyDoosy (0): nooniansoong
Here is your VCA (spoilered for brevity)
+ Show Spoiler [Your vote analysis] +On February 09 2016 22:41 boxerfred wrote:So here is what happened D1:Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, PalmarPalmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdredjustanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Koshi is currently scum read by some persons. He went late Zyrre. He put his vote on Zyrre when it was 6-6 split between Palmar and Zyrre, and he does it rather late: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503495-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken-voting-thread?page=3#48Roughly 20 minutes before deadline. The situation we're in is that Palmar is on the very edge of being lynched. He is the Godfather, yet he is afk - a big scum role that can confuse town really hard (remember - Finncop works not like the standard cop!) would be a huge loss D1. Koshi seems to not care too much for this game D1. His reads are meager, he's not pushing anyone too hard, he feels wishywashy. But then it comes to his vote: initially, he forgets the "##unvote", then he corrects it, writing his vote in the correct way. However, it doesn't seem to be enough for him: Why is that so important, given that the previous post was absolutely correct? It's tiny, yep, and might not be alignment indicative, but I can see a nervous close-to-deadline-with-GF-close-to-being-lynched scum!Koshi acting nervous. That would bring us to: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, PalmarPalmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdredjustanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Chez' vote on Zyrre would also make sense as scum. He said EoD2 after the Palmar lynch that he originally wanted to see Palmar dead D1 already - but he didn't vote him. marvellosity's switch feels weird to me but yeah...not gonna put the tinfoil hat back on again, he was the one to initiate the whole Palmar thingy. Rels feels townie to me. He's active and eager to do stuff, but the biggest thing is his genuine reaction to the LS replacement. On second thought though I'm not sure if that really was an alignment indicative dumbtell. I'd take it as that if LS would flip red, I'd lock Rels as town then. But - I do not know about LS' alignment, so yeah. Head and heart tell me though that Rels is town. disformation feels to me like he is playing a weak town game. He doesn't dare to push people, although he picks stuff every now and then. I wish he'd actually push some people, drop some committed reads, instead of just staying in his comfort zone. He's either a townie afraid to appear bad or a scum guy playing a very soft, careful game. His D1 felt very townie to me, but I think he got away with my town read too easy. However he ended up voting the Palmar train and went through with that - I don't think scum!disformation would have the guts for such a bus. So I'll paint him green here, too. VayneAuthority's activity level feels similar to what I learnt of him in other games. Town lean at this point, but not enough to paint him green in the PoE-kind-of-VCA I'm currently doing here. I paint him green because he was early on the Palmar wagon and did not leave at any point. This is not a 100% town read - but I want to simplify things. boxerfred is town, I know that. Gonna add the colours.. Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, PalmarPalmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdredjustanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy nooniansong was scumread by me D1. I don't understand exactly why people like marv (?) started to townread him and I would really like to get an explanation on that from the guys who townread him. If he's scum, his vote was safe and sound on Zyrre. A solid no-risk-scum-play at D1. darthfoley really dropped off in activity. At least that's how I feel like. I need to filter-dive here and I'm glad for anyone dropping reads on those two guys. NocturneMage - can't drop a read, didn't look into yet. Gotta do this though to at least gain some impression. Only impression I have is from D1 where NM fought VA, and I'm not sure how to judge that. Last, but not least: MoosyDoosy. Voting outside both trains feels weird. But I think this is rather town indicative than scum indicative. The wagons were close, and the Zyrre lynch happened rather last minute. If he was scum with Palmar, I'm sure he'd have switched earlier - a last second switch would've put a bad light on him, especially given that there was no guarantee that Palmar would survive the night.
I want to focus on a few things. First question - the read on Moosy - I don't quite understand this.
MoosyDoosy. Voting outside both trains feels weird. But I think this is rather town indicative than scum indicative. The wagons were close, and the Zyrre lynch happened rather last minute. If he was scum with Palmar, I'm sure he'd have switched earlier - a last second switch would've put a bad light on him, especially given that there was no guarantee that Palmar would survive the night.
IIRC, Moosy was entirely afk or nearly entirely AFK for end of cycle. His only vote came roughly 19 hours before the end when I was playing the "pick a townie" game with him in the middle of the night (our time). It was on VA, and he never pushed that vote. He just threw it down and left (quotes below, or read his filter)
He placed his vote down on VA and never moved it (if you can see HTS votecount with all the cancelled votes), and was completely AFK so regardless of Palmar's alignment the vote looks poor because he escapes accountability altogether.
This was his vote
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=40#791
This was his FINAL post before end of cycle about 18h before end of cycle:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=42#838
This was his first post ~1h AFTER the lynch
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=73#1443
Here's the question - now knowing or possibly realising that Moosy was severely AFK and his non-push of his own vote, does this make him any more or less town to you?
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On February 09 2016 22:59 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 08:35 disformation wrote:Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Damdred, Koshi, justanothertownie, PalmarPalmar (7): marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, boxerfred, Damdredjustanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Rels, boxerfredNocturneMage (0), disformation disformationritoky (0): boxerfred, Chezinu,Onegu (0):, nooniansoongDisformation (0): Chezinu, ChezinuMoosyDoosy (0): nooniansoonglock town: NM, Rels, Marv, Me town leans (kinda slight, but a lean is a lean): darth, boxer, noon, VA left: chez, koshi, md, ls ls can have a day to play. not sure about MD. chez and koshi look bad atm. will try to look over my leans and the ppl left b4 EoN. That is basically as committed as I get. :p As you can see I agree on Koshi and Chez and there is no need for me to push either of them, especially since all my lock towns agree on that and I am pretty comfortable sheeping them. Also the point you made on Koshi's vote was already made by me, but got somewhat deflected by jat and marv. Need/Want to look at a bunch of filters this evening.
Yeah, this is good. I should've filtered you before my list post/vca there so at least you have my honest gut read on you :D
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On February 09 2016 22:59 NocturneMage wrote:
boxerfred, are you here? I have some questions. I'm in and out today as I look through a few things.
I'll be out just now but I'll be back before EoD. Have an appointment a 6pm, gonna be online at roughly 8pm or so.
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