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On February 09 2016 19:42 marvellosity wrote:
Rels, you were the first to properly case Koshi n1 / start of d2 weren't you?
No NM did D1.
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okay. but you definitely made one while it still wasn't popular right? :p
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need to try to get some townreads out of the dunnos. that's gonna be my next task when i get round to it.
i think:
rels
NM
disfo
are all pretty lock town
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On February 09 2016 19:59 marvellosity wrote:
okay. but you definitely made one while it still wasn't popular right? :p
On February 08 2016 00:54 Rels wrote:This post got way bigger than I though, I'm trying my best to organize it. I don't like Koshi at all, he might very well be scum. Here is why: 1D1 the only real thing he did was pushing kush + opposing Palmar's lynch. That's it. No read on anyone else, especially Zyrre. Like, I think this is the only post about Zyrre in his filter: Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote:On February 05 2016 08:05 Damdred wrote:
That zyrre post is so bad for so many reasons It actually isn't. I can see him believe that. I can believe it. Then: Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 02:58 Koshi wrote:
Kush comming in and giving a townread on Palmar and rescind a townread on Zyrre is not doing things. Well, he ended up voting Zurre with kush.
2I don't like that he townreads Palmar early using a "secret tell" Palmar apparently only does when he's scum. Where is the fucking tell now ? Then, he scumreads Palmar more and more as votes piles up on him, and votes him, but is still against his lynch. In particular, the last post is super weird in the progression: Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:51 Koshi wrote:
Ugh... Palmar is almost certainly not mafia here. I have a pretty good tell for him when he is mafia. It's not this. Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 22:31 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 22:28 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 22:17 justanothertownie wrote:On February 04 2016 22:12 disformation wrote:On February 04 2016 20:20 Palmar wrote:
This game is going to be painful because I'm going to obsess about finding the "superbia" mafia and never give anyone a townread ever.
I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to I like this post. Paranoia is a good town trait to have imo. In general yes. But not to a point where you don't trust anybody at all because that's not how you win as town. And Palmar who is probably the most experienced player in this game perfectly knows it. This wasn't the first time he townread a mafia, in fact he always says "there is always that one mafia who slips into my townreads" so this should not be shocking to him. That's true. Palmar, you spent all game lynching scum last game until you died AND you did say that a scum would always slip in your townreads. I have no idea why you feel like "This game is going to be painful"; it doesn't make sense after your amazing reads last game. This I can agree with. Would expect Palmar to be even more cocky tbh. Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush. This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash. How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum? And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction? The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this. I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this. If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous. But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally. Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 03:48 Koshi wrote:VE has been lynched 26 times, Vivax and Palmar have been lynched 24 times. This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town. Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:06 Koshi wrote:
I got indoor soccer at 2100. But it will take a while after I played and I might only be around on phone depending on what we will do.
I am not against a Palmar lynch in theory. But I strongly suggest not lynching him. Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:12 Koshi wrote:
Fuck I need to go........ I disagree with this lynch 100% There is all this progression from "100% town" to "if he's town it's a bad lynch" to "I'm not really against Palmar's lynch but I think we should wait" to finally ... "I disagree with the lynch 100%". IT MAKES NO SENSE, especially 6 minutes after saying "I am not against a Palmar lynch in theory".
3Finally, I dislike all the random questions / opinions that is in his filter, and that doesn't serve any purpose / does not lead to anything. Examples: Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 02:14 Koshi wrote:
Also darthfoley might be buddying me because that defense was actually really bad. Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 02:54 Koshi wrote:
I actually don't think JAT is mafia this game. I feel dirty. Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Damdred his posts have been really bad. Holy mozes. Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 20:22 Koshi wrote:On February 05 2016 20:02 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 19:57 marvellosity wrote:On February 05 2016 14:53 ritoky wrote:On February 05 2016 14:50 Damdred wrote:
Surprised you and nm didn't catch it playing the game.
moosey scum team is va, oneg and koshi.
Ehats wrong with that team if you're talking about how he dumbtelled 3 mafia @ the end instead of 4 in a 17 person game, that's kinda meh in terms of dumb tells. i saw Rels mention it on the last page, and I thought the same as this post here - it's kinda meh in terms of dumbtells. But maybe the way it happens makes it more believable/genuine. Don't really know what to think exactly It's part meta too. I can very clearly see this coming from Moosy. In one game I've played with him, he was town!roleblocker but didn't know he could stop scum KP because he didn't read the OP. In addition, Moosy is super serious as scum; he could replicate his "silly" town meta pretty easily, but I don't think he would think of this dumbtell. It doesn't even feel like a forced dumbtell: he played a game until there were only 3 names left. It could have go unnoticed very easily. I didn't notice it. Do you have a scumgame of his? I only remember 1 town game. It was horrid. Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:07 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 04:05 boxerfred wrote:
also i reviewed that va/nm thing and I come to the conclusion that my original thought (one of them being mafia) is bullshit. there's no indicator for that and I obviously followed disformation who had this thought first. funny enough, he had it from ritoky who's originally a scumread of mine so wow I should read more details. This post looks bad. But w.e Where is the follow up ? Especially in Moosy's and BF's case, where he shows he has suspicions but don't talk about them anymore.
I think that was like early D2? Need to double check time stamps and stuff
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On February 09 2016 20:12 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 19:59 marvellosity wrote:
okay. but you definitely made one while it still wasn't popular right? :p Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 00:54 Rels wrote:This post got way bigger than I though, I'm trying my best to organize it. I don't like Koshi at all, he might very well be scum. Here is why: 1D1 the only real thing he did was pushing kush + opposing Palmar's lynch. That's it. No read on anyone else, especially Zyrre. Like, I think this is the only post about Zyrre in his filter: On February 05 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote:On February 05 2016 08:05 Damdred wrote:
That zyrre post is so bad for so many reasons It actually isn't. I can see him believe that. I can believe it. Then: On February 06 2016 02:58 Koshi wrote:
Kush comming in and giving a townread on Palmar and rescind a townread on Zyrre is not doing things. Well, he ended up voting Zurre with kush.
2I don't like that he townreads Palmar early using a "secret tell" Palmar apparently only does when he's scum. Where is the fucking tell now ? Then, he scumreads Palmar more and more as votes piles up on him, and votes him, but is still against his lynch. In particular, the last post is super weird in the progression: On February 04 2016 20:51 Koshi wrote:
Ugh... Palmar is almost certainly not mafia here. I have a pretty good tell for him when he is mafia. It's not this. On February 04 2016 22:31 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 22:28 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 22:17 justanothertownie wrote:On February 04 2016 22:12 disformation wrote:On February 04 2016 20:20 Palmar wrote:
This game is going to be painful because I'm going to obsess about finding the "superbia" mafia and never give anyone a townread ever.
I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to I like this post. Paranoia is a good town trait to have imo. In general yes. But not to a point where you don't trust anybody at all because that's not how you win as town. And Palmar who is probably the most experienced player in this game perfectly knows it. This wasn't the first time he townread a mafia, in fact he always says "there is always that one mafia who slips into my townreads" so this should not be shocking to him. That's true. Palmar, you spent all game lynching scum last game until you died AND you did say that a scum would always slip in your townreads. I have no idea why you feel like "This game is going to be painful"; it doesn't make sense after your amazing reads last game. This I can agree with. Would expect Palmar to be even more cocky tbh. On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush. This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash. How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum? And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction? The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this. I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this. If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous. But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally. On February 06 2016 03:48 Koshi wrote:VE has been lynched 26 times, Vivax and Palmar have been lynched 24 times. This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town. On February 06 2016 04:06 Koshi wrote:
I got indoor soccer at 2100. But it will take a while after I played and I might only be around on phone depending on what we will do.
I am not against a Palmar lynch in theory. But I strongly suggest not lynching him. On February 06 2016 04:12 Koshi wrote:
Fuck I need to go........ I disagree with this lynch 100% There is all this progression from "100% town" to "if he's town it's a bad lynch" to "I'm not really against Palmar's lynch but I think we should wait" to finally ... "I disagree with the lynch 100%". IT MAKES NO SENSE, especially 6 minutes after saying "I am not against a Palmar lynch in theory".
3Finally, I dislike all the random questions / opinions that is in his filter, and that doesn't serve any purpose / does not lead to anything. Examples: On February 05 2016 02:14 Koshi wrote:
Also darthfoley might be buddying me because that defense was actually really bad. On February 05 2016 02:54 Koshi wrote:
I actually don't think JAT is mafia this game. I feel dirty. On February 05 2016 02:57 Koshi wrote:
ritoky is Damdred mafia? On February 05 2016 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Damdred his posts have been really bad. Holy mozes. On February 05 2016 20:22 Koshi wrote:On February 05 2016 20:02 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 19:57 marvellosity wrote:On February 05 2016 14:53 ritoky wrote:On February 05 2016 14:50 Damdred wrote:
Surprised you and nm didn't catch it playing the game.
moosey scum team is va, oneg and koshi.
Ehats wrong with that team if you're talking about how he dumbtelled 3 mafia @ the end instead of 4 in a 17 person game, that's kinda meh in terms of dumb tells. i saw Rels mention it on the last page, and I thought the same as this post here - it's kinda meh in terms of dumbtells. But maybe the way it happens makes it more believable/genuine. Don't really know what to think exactly It's part meta too. I can very clearly see this coming from Moosy. In one game I've played with him, he was town!roleblocker but didn't know he could stop scum KP because he didn't read the OP. In addition, Moosy is super serious as scum; he could replicate his "silly" town meta pretty easily, but I don't think he would think of this dumbtell. It doesn't even feel like a forced dumbtell: he played a game until there were only 3 names left. It could have go unnoticed very easily. I didn't notice it. Do you have a scumgame of his? I only remember 1 town game. It was horrid. On February 06 2016 04:07 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 04:05 boxerfred wrote:
also i reviewed that va/nm thing and I come to the conclusion that my original thought (one of them being mafia) is bullshit. there's no indicator for that and I obviously followed disformation who had this thought first. funny enough, he had it from ritoky who's originally a scumread of mine so wow I should read more details. This post looks bad. But w.e Where is the follow up ? Especially in Moosy's and BF's case, where he shows he has suspicions but don't talk about them anymore. I think that was like early D2? Need to double check time stamps and stuff
Early D2 yes.
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@boxerfred : it is night you can't vote yet. =D
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On February 09 2016 19:59 marvellosity wrote:
okay. but you definitely made one while it still wasn't popular right? :p
Yep. :p
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ugh....
On February 04 2016 22:40 boxerfred wrote:
Okay. Let's settle somethings.
ritoky - scum
palmar - dunno, don't like his reaction to my post, scumlean
disformation - town
jat - he came in and it felt like he read the thread but answered to very specific things only. it's a stomach feeling but it's a bad feeling. problem is that I actually like what he's saying. hmm i dunno.
rels - seems focused on darthfoley and me, didn't drop any other reads (afaik, i went over his filter real quick, might've missed something). I'd townlean him.
marv - drops some town reads but isn't too scumhunting too much. last time he rolled scum he made a game to be rerolled which got him banned (or so?) so I'd actually give him a scumlean. high expectations vs. reality and so on.
nocturnemage, darthfoley: both disappeared a little bit, not liking that. scumleans
I think those are most thoughts on people that I have. Noct
On February 06 2016 04:13 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf[ritoky] might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
This post is good. Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:19 Palmar wrote:
ritoky did you ever explain why you have a dumb reason to TR jat? This post follows up on an inquiry to ritoky. It is good. Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:28 Palmar wrote:
I am also somewhat close to starting to try to lynch marv, it's almost noon his time. This is also good. Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:48 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 19:43 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
is it me or does this post not make any sense? he's pushing ritoky and the fact he's pushing the guy who's posting the most / doing the most stuff actually comes across rather townie to me ? I ritoky is mafia and conjures up 6 points about a post from disformation, it is unlikely that every single one of them is genuinely disagreeable with bf. For example, he could have written the smiley = joke point off as meh. It's similar to how mafia tend to way overquote when they build cases because they're trying to paint every single thing scummy, when in reality you usually catch people on one single thing or one post or some other minor subset of their entire filter. Another follow up on the initial "ritoky is scum because of his shit about disformation" and it is good. Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 19:49 marvellosity wrote:
carry on with your business, gentlemen. well what do you think? Wants marv, gets marv, tries to get marv started, it's good. Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:01 Palmar wrote:
bf straight up ignoring me hurts a bit coming back on me when I ignored one of his questions, this is good. Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:05 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:01 ritoky wrote:
marv did you read the thread or just respond to palmar/click his filter? i've read the thread you chose the less enlightening option. Does reading the thread include all of ritoky's big posts? I've read them in a "my eyes went across all the words" kinda way, yes so what do you think of ritoky? comes back to ritoky, doesn't drop it although thread sentiment already dropped the ritoky topic, this is good. And most interestingly: Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 22:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:On February 04 2016 22:36 Palmar wrote:
technically the "fake afk noted" post should make marv town. That's also something I have trouble seeing Palmar believe. Yes, he did read and "catch" marv on small things like this before but that post is definitely not something only townmarv would say. No, why not? There is a very easy explanation (and there's also a reason I say technically). When I'm town and marv is mafia, he doesn't like dealing with me. He generally sort of avoids it and tries to take the high road of "i'm always shit early / day 1". There's also a tone thing (which is usually how I catch him, he just sounds off) which often involves him lacking the standard marv sass, if only just slightly. So when he actually sort of engages with me and questions me, while also remaining sassy enough to fire back a joke like that (it's a reference to me saying the same thing to him earlier in the game), it feels both tonally right and situationally right. now the problem of course is marv is good at mafia, but seeing as he quit a game recently just because he rolled one, it's super hard for me to believe he'd actually try this game as scum, instead of just trying to afk through a day or two in hopes of picking off players who might get him lynched,. Do you genuinely believe that this is irrelevant or do you think my explanation is reasonable? tbh I don't see Palmar being scum for the reasons marv says. But I'm not impressed by marv so far. And Palmar says that marv doesn't like dealing with him, boom, Palmar not here, marv sets up Palmar for the lynch. marv are you scum?
more posts that don't go together.
How can bf say he doesn't like Palmar's reaction to his stuff, and then goes on to call all Palmar's posts good and then I'm mafia and an afk-Palmar is town?
how?
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The case above is only the proofs of what Im saying, the important stuff is here:
On February 08 2016 01:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 01:27 Koshi wrote:
1) I talked way more about Zyyre than that. I commented on him as soon as marv made his case. and a couple times more. Also Zyrre was not going to happen when I left for soccer.
2) I townread him for having 4 pages of filter in the early games and because I thought his posts would be more disconnected if he was mafia (tell= story to his posts, might be a bad tell, but it worked 2/2 in the past). And I didn't want to lynch a strong town player D1 who was afk. I actually was debating to consolidate on Palmar when I left for soccer, but instead I typed "I disagree with this lynch" to make sure it wouldn't be too easy to lynch an afk strong town.
3) I have no problem with any of those posts.
What exactly makes me mafia in those posts Rels? You never say it makes me mafia, you just say you don't understand or it makes no sense.
So tell me. What makes it mafia Koshi? It's actually how a scum would act. About your general attitude: tunnel on one particular player (kush) so it's easy to not do stuff; post one-shot stuff on other people (Moosy, Onegu, Damdred) that does not lead anywhere to pretend you're doing stuff. If you're town, you're playing a scum game. About your Palmar read: you were against his lynch but didn't do much to save him. Darth started the counter wagon, not you. That's how scum generally acts when a teammate is lynched: they don't want to be seen as "the guy that stopped a scum lynch", but they don't awnt to simply lynch their partner either. About your vote on Zyrre: kush, your big scumrezad, was voting him. It makes no sense that you voted with your main scurmead when you were wary of Palmar. It makes sense as scum though, 'cause you woulldn't care about stuff like that.
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all the posts he is quoting from Palmar as "good" come before the post he made on Palmar saying he didn't like him and he's a scumlean.
really doesn't add up.
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On February 09 2016 20:28 marvellosity wrote:
all the posts he is quoting from Palmar as "good" come before the post he made on Palmar saying he didn't like him and he's a scumlean.
really doesn't add up.
Mm good find. One thing that makes me waffke on bf a lot too is that his meta is usually "serious : scum".
I'm eating, will be there in like 2 hours to talk more
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Played with BF only once and that was a while back, but yeah should read his filter, too.
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On February 09 2016 20:16 disformation wrote:
@boxerfred : it is night you can't vote yet. =D
oh. as I said, carnival :D I kinda lost track
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On February 09 2016 20:26 marvellosity wrote:ugh.... Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 22:40 boxerfred wrote:
Okay. Let's settle somethings.
ritoky - scum
palmar - dunno, don't like his reaction to my post, scumlean
disformation - town
jat - he came in and it felt like he read the thread but answered to very specific things only. it's a stomach feeling but it's a bad feeling. problem is that I actually like what he's saying. hmm i dunno.
rels - seems focused on darthfoley and me, didn't drop any other reads (afaik, i went over his filter real quick, might've missed something). I'd townlean him.
marv - drops some town reads but isn't too scumhunting too much. last time he rolled scum he made a game to be rerolled which got him banned (or so?) so I'd actually give him a scumlean. high expectations vs. reality and so on.
nocturnemage, darthfoley: both disappeared a little bit, not liking that. scumleans
I think those are most thoughts on people that I have. Noct
Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:13 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf[ritoky] might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
This post is good. On February 04 2016 19:19 Palmar wrote:
ritoky did you ever explain why you have a dumb reason to TR jat? This post follows up on an inquiry to ritoky. It is good. On February 04 2016 19:28 Palmar wrote:
I am also somewhat close to starting to try to lynch marv, it's almost noon his time. On February 04 2016 19:41 Palmar wrote:
I do like how I summoned marv though This is also good. On February 04 2016 19:48 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 19:43 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
is it me or does this post not make any sense? he's pushing ritoky and the fact he's pushing the guy who's posting the most / doing the most stuff actually comes across rather townie to me ? I ritoky is mafia and conjures up 6 points about a post from disformation, it is unlikely that every single one of them is genuinely disagreeable with bf. For example, he could have written the smiley = joke point off as meh. It's similar to how mafia tend to way overquote when they build cases because they're trying to paint every single thing scummy, when in reality you usually catch people on one single thing or one post or some other minor subset of their entire filter. Another follow up on the initial "ritoky is scum because of his shit about disformation" and it is good. On February 04 2016 19:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 19:49 marvellosity wrote:
carry on with your business, gentlemen. well what do you think? Wants marv, gets marv, tries to get marv started, it's good. On February 04 2016 20:01 Palmar wrote:
bf straight up ignoring me hurts a bit coming back on me when I ignored one of his questions, this is good. On February 04 2016 20:05 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:01 ritoky wrote:
marv did you read the thread or just respond to palmar/click his filter? i've read the thread you chose the less enlightening option. Does reading the thread include all of ritoky's big posts? I've read them in a "my eyes went across all the words" kinda way, yes so what do you think of ritoky? comes back to ritoky, doesn't drop it although thread sentiment already dropped the ritoky topic, this is good. And most interestingly: On February 04 2016 22:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:On February 04 2016 22:36 Palmar wrote:
technically the "fake afk noted" post should make marv town. That's also something I have trouble seeing Palmar believe. Yes, he did read and "catch" marv on small things like this before but that post is definitely not something only townmarv would say. No, why not? There is a very easy explanation (and there's also a reason I say technically). When I'm town and marv is mafia, he doesn't like dealing with me. He generally sort of avoids it and tries to take the high road of "i'm always shit early / day 1". There's also a tone thing (which is usually how I catch him, he just sounds off) which often involves him lacking the standard marv sass, if only just slightly. So when he actually sort of engages with me and questions me, while also remaining sassy enough to fire back a joke like that (it's a reference to me saying the same thing to him earlier in the game), it feels both tonally right and situationally right. now the problem of course is marv is good at mafia, but seeing as he quit a game recently just because he rolled one, it's super hard for me to believe he'd actually try this game as scum, instead of just trying to afk through a day or two in hopes of picking off players who might get him lynched,. Do you genuinely believe that this is irrelevant or do you think my explanation is reasonable? tbh I don't see Palmar being scum for the reasons marv says. But I'm not impressed by marv so far. And Palmar says that marv doesn't like dealing with him, boom, Palmar not here, marv sets up Palmar for the lynch. marv are you scum? more posts that don't go together. How can bf say he doesn't like Palmar's reaction to his stuff, and then goes on to call all Palmar's posts good and then I'm mafia and an afk-Palmar is town? how?
Easy. Scumlean is a thrown out list of reads, mostly based on gut and first impressions. The hard defense comes from a filter dive at a later D1. Of course you can nail me on that, but I think it wouldn't make sense for scum!bf to slightly bus palmar and then go full defense mode once he's the lynch.
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On February 09 2016 20:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 20:28 marvellosity wrote:
all the posts he is quoting from Palmar as "good" come before the post he made on Palmar saying he didn't like him and he's a scumlean.
really doesn't add up. Mm good find. One thing that makes me waffke on bf a lot too is t hat his meta is usually "serious : scum". I'm eating, will be there in like 2 hours to talk more
yeah this too, I feel like marv and Rels got strong points on me here. I play way better when I'm scum. However you guys also know that I'm mislynched so fucking often.
hm, can't say much against what marv called me out on regarding my palmar read besides what I just said. Also Rels' meta read on me is kinda what I think about myself, too. But, yeah, would be a shame if I get mislynched now that I put so much fucking effort in that completely disregarded case regarding Chez.
Makes me want to puke that my case gets such great reactions.
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On February 09 2016 20:47 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 20:26 marvellosity wrote:ugh.... On February 04 2016 22:40 boxerfred wrote:
Okay. Let's settle somethings.
ritoky - scum
palmar - dunno, don't like his reaction to my post, scumlean
disformation - town
jat - he came in and it felt like he read the thread but answered to very specific things only. it's a stomach feeling but it's a bad feeling. problem is that I actually like what he's saying. hmm i dunno.
rels - seems focused on darthfoley and me, didn't drop any other reads (afaik, i went over his filter real quick, might've missed something). I'd townlean him.
marv - drops some town reads but isn't too scumhunting too much. last time he rolled scum he made a game to be rerolled which got him banned (or so?) so I'd actually give him a scumlean. high expectations vs. reality and so on.
nocturnemage, darthfoley: both disappeared a little bit, not liking that. scumleans
I think those are most thoughts on people that I have. Noct
On February 06 2016 04:13 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf[ritoky] might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
This post is good. On February 04 2016 19:19 Palmar wrote:
ritoky did you ever explain why you have a dumb reason to TR jat? This post follows up on an inquiry to ritoky. It is good. On February 04 2016 19:28 Palmar wrote:
I am also somewhat close to starting to try to lynch marv, it's almost noon his time. On February 04 2016 19:41 Palmar wrote:
I do like how I summoned marv though This is also good. On February 04 2016 19:48 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 19:43 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
is it me or does this post not make any sense? he's pushing ritoky and the fact he's pushing the guy who's posting the most / doing the most stuff actually comes across rather townie to me ? I ritoky is mafia and conjures up 6 points about a post from disformation, it is unlikely that every single one of them is genuinely disagreeable with bf. For example, he could have written the smiley = joke point off as meh. It's similar to how mafia tend to way overquote when they build cases because they're trying to paint every single thing scummy, when in reality you usually catch people on one single thing or one post or some other minor subset of their entire filter. Another follow up on the initial "ritoky is scum because of his shit about disformation" and it is good. On February 04 2016 19:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 19:49 marvellosity wrote:
carry on with your business, gentlemen. well what do you think? Wants marv, gets marv, tries to get marv started, it's good. On February 04 2016 20:01 Palmar wrote:
bf straight up ignoring me hurts a bit coming back on me when I ignored one of his questions, this is good. On February 04 2016 20:05 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:01 ritoky wrote:
marv did you read the thread or just respond to palmar/click his filter? i've read the thread you chose the less enlightening option. Does reading the thread include all of ritoky's big posts? I've read them in a "my eyes went across all the words" kinda way, yes so what do you think of ritoky? comes back to ritoky, doesn't drop it although thread sentiment already dropped the ritoky topic, this is good. And most interestingly: On February 04 2016 22:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:On February 04 2016 22:36 Palmar wrote:
technically the "fake afk noted" post should make marv town. That's also something I have trouble seeing Palmar believe. Yes, he did read and "catch" marv on small things like this before but that post is definitely not something only townmarv would say. No, why not? There is a very easy explanation (and there's also a reason I say technically). When I'm town and marv is mafia, he doesn't like dealing with me. He generally sort of avoids it and tries to take the high road of "i'm always shit early / day 1". There's also a tone thing (which is usually how I catch him, he just sounds off) which often involves him lacking the standard marv sass, if only just slightly. So when he actually sort of engages with me and questions me, while also remaining sassy enough to fire back a joke like that (it's a reference to me saying the same thing to him earlier in the game), it feels both tonally right and situationally right. now the problem of course is marv is good at mafia, but seeing as he quit a game recently just because he rolled one, it's super hard for me to believe he'd actually try this game as scum, instead of just trying to afk through a day or two in hopes of picking off players who might get him lynched,. Do you genuinely believe that this is irrelevant or do you think my explanation is reasonable? tbh I don't see Palmar being scum for the reasons marv says. But I'm not impressed by marv so far. And Palmar says that marv doesn't like dealing with him, boom, Palmar not here, marv sets up Palmar for the lynch. marv are you scum? more posts that don't go together. How can bf say he doesn't like Palmar's reaction to his stuff, and then goes on to call all Palmar's posts good and then I'm mafia and an afk-Palmar is town? how? Easy. Scumlean is a thrown out list of reads, mostly based on gut and first impressions. The hard defense comes from a filter dive at a later D1. Of course you can nail me on that, but I think it wouldn't make sense for scum!bf to slightly bus palmar and then go full defense mode once he's the lynch.
ebwop: I have no problem to bus scum teammates D1 as I've shown already. I would've pinned Palmar down I guess.
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Also keep in mind that I dropped a lot of reads already and changed some, too. Heavily. Compare that to scum flying under the radar, without dropping reads. I think it's more town indicative to drop lots of reads yet change them (when the progression makes sense) than to not say anything at all and remain unconstructive.
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On February 09 2016 20:47 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 20:26 marvellosity wrote:ugh.... On February 04 2016 22:40 boxerfred wrote:
Okay. Let's settle somethings.
ritoky - scum
palmar - dunno, don't like his reaction to my post, scumlean
disformation - town
jat - he came in and it felt like he read the thread but answered to very specific things only. it's a stomach feeling but it's a bad feeling. problem is that I actually like what he's saying. hmm i dunno.
rels - seems focused on darthfoley and me, didn't drop any other reads (afaik, i went over his filter real quick, might've missed something). I'd townlean him.
marv - drops some town reads but isn't too scumhunting too much. last time he rolled scum he made a game to be rerolled which got him banned (or so?) so I'd actually give him a scumlean. high expectations vs. reality and so on.
nocturnemage, darthfoley: both disappeared a little bit, not liking that. scumleans
I think those are most thoughts on people that I have. Noct
On February 06 2016 04:13 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf[ritoky] might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
This post is good. On February 04 2016 19:19 Palmar wrote:
ritoky did you ever explain why you have a dumb reason to TR jat? This post follows up on an inquiry to ritoky. It is good. On February 04 2016 19:28 Palmar wrote:
I am also somewhat close to starting to try to lynch marv, it's almost noon his time. On February 04 2016 19:41 Palmar wrote:
I do like how I summoned marv though This is also good. On February 04 2016 19:48 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 19:43 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
is it me or does this post not make any sense? he's pushing ritoky and the fact he's pushing the guy who's posting the most / doing the most stuff actually comes across rather townie to me ? I ritoky is mafia and conjures up 6 points about a post from disformation, it is unlikely that every single one of them is genuinely disagreeable with bf. For example, he could have written the smiley = joke point off as meh. It's similar to how mafia tend to way overquote when they build cases because they're trying to paint every single thing scummy, when in reality you usually catch people on one single thing or one post or some other minor subset of their entire filter. Another follow up on the initial "ritoky is scum because of his shit about disformation" and it is good. On February 04 2016 19:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 19:49 marvellosity wrote:
carry on with your business, gentlemen. well what do you think? Wants marv, gets marv, tries to get marv started, it's good. On February 04 2016 20:01 Palmar wrote:
bf straight up ignoring me hurts a bit coming back on me when I ignored one of his questions, this is good. On February 04 2016 20:05 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:01 ritoky wrote:
marv did you read the thread or just respond to palmar/click his filter? i've read the thread you chose the less enlightening option. Does reading the thread include all of ritoky's big posts? I've read them in a "my eyes went across all the words" kinda way, yes so what do you think of ritoky? comes back to ritoky, doesn't drop it although thread sentiment already dropped the ritoky topic, this is good. And most interestingly: On February 04 2016 22:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:On February 04 2016 22:36 Palmar wrote:
technically the "fake afk noted" post should make marv town. That's also something I have trouble seeing Palmar believe. Yes, he did read and "catch" marv on small things like this before but that post is definitely not something only townmarv would say. No, why not? There is a very easy explanation (and there's also a reason I say technically). When I'm town and marv is mafia, he doesn't like dealing with me. He generally sort of avoids it and tries to take the high road of "i'm always shit early / day 1". There's also a tone thing (which is usually how I catch him, he just sounds off) which often involves him lacking the standard marv sass, if only just slightly. So when he actually sort of engages with me and questions me, while also remaining sassy enough to fire back a joke like that (it's a reference to me saying the same thing to him earlier in the game), it feels both tonally right and situationally right. now the problem of course is marv is good at mafia, but seeing as he quit a game recently just because he rolled one, it's super hard for me to believe he'd actually try this game as scum, instead of just trying to afk through a day or two in hopes of picking off players who might get him lynched,. Do you genuinely believe that this is irrelevant or do you think my explanation is reasonable? tbh I don't see Palmar being scum for the reasons marv says. But I'm not impressed by marv so far. And Palmar says that marv doesn't like dealing with him, boom, Palmar not here, marv sets up Palmar for the lynch. marv are you scum? more posts that don't go together. How can bf say he doesn't like Palmar's reaction to his stuff, and then goes on to call all Palmar's posts good and then I'm mafia and an afk-Palmar is town? how? Easy. Scumlean is a thrown out list of reads, mostly based on gut and first impressions. The hard defense comes from a filter dive at a later D1. Of course you can nail me on that, but I think it wouldn't make sense for scum!bf to slightly bus palmar and then go full defense mode once he's the lynch.
it also doesn't make much sense for a townbf to dislike Palmar's reaction to what you said, only to later like it when nothing had changed. You literally said you didn't like his reaction and later called it good :/
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(when the progression makes sense
this is exactly the problem, it doesn't
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TBF I think BF's scum meta is to try and lurk as hard as possible.
On the other hand self-metaing is a bit meh.
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